/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.1057368]

Hardest boss of the 90's.

[Anonymous No.1057373]

I never got stick on this before, and probably didnt spend more then 5 seconds trying to figure out what to do.


In fact, It was so insignificant, I didn't even know what it was until I saw people complaining about it on the internet.

[Anonymous No.1057384]

I remember being stuck here when I heard that Kurt Cobain shot himself. Weird memory.

[Anonymous No.1057402]

>>1057368
The main reason I had trouble with this was due to stupid luck on my part.

>Playing with my brother as Tails
>Reach this for the first time
>We jump on in and int bounces up and down like the rest.
>If you jump with perfect timing, it will go higher and higher each time
>Sonic slips off at the perfect moment and fall beneath it.
>Lose last life before the boss
>"Don't worry bro, we can do it again!"
>Can never recreate the feat.
Tried it the wrong way for so many years.

[Anonymous No.1057404]

I remember playing this game a lot, only to get here and die.

I finally beat it last year

[Anonymous No.1057409]

I only learn how to do it because I had tails.

>Why would they require jumping if there is no way to get rid of Tails?
>Maybe jumping isn't the answer, the only buttons are jump, right, left, up and down.
>O, I get it.

Still pretty stupid to require you to use buttons for a mechanic that you only see once in the whole game. I can honestly understand how people could get stuck here. The gates help to not waste time exploring but still, I sometimes think they would been better off just removing the barrel. It is such a minor thing.

[AnusMoony !!UDpQoP3QLU6 No.1057412]

>>1057402
I kept getting really close to this which lead to me not doing it until...
>>1057404
2008 when I saw someone saying up and down...
ALL. OF. MY. RAGE!!!

[Anonymous No.1057416]

>posting the barrel on /vr/

[Anonymous No.1057417]

ITT: the mentally handicapped.

[Anonymous No.1057427]

>>1057416
>>1057417
This was a good thread until you two show up. This isn't /v/, there is no need to act like a smartass over a game. I am pretty sure you two done stupid things on games as well even if it wasn't on this one regardless if you are willing to admit it or not.

[Anonymous No.1057438]

>>1057427
Read the manual fuckhead, it can drastically reduce your instances of stupidity.

[Anonymous No.1057441]

>>1057384
That is the most 90s things I've ever read

[Anonymous No.1057445]

>>1057384
That is the most 90s thing I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.1057443]

Sonic was a really awesome cartoon in the 90s, and it's no suprise that they'd make a video game out of the cartoon. But was it cool, or crap?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSB9SZvtP2I

[Anonymous No.1057449]

>>1057427
Don't be mad, bro.
But really, did people just give up here? I remember instinctively rocking the d-pad up and down because it just made sense.

I bet you don't even tap A right when the Pokeballs open.

[Anonymous No.1057452]

>>1057438
The manual makes absolutely no mention of the barrel, nor does it say the up button does anything but look upwards.

The level is filled with red herring hints leading you to believe jumping is the answer to the puzzle. Having to hold up and down is goofy, regardless of how quickly anybody may or may not have figured it out. Do we really need this thread every week?

[Anonymous No.1057460]

>The Barrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXwbN--6udQ&t=4m

Start at 4m

[Anonymous No.1057463]

>>1057368
Worst, most annoying zone in any Sonic game ever...

[Anonymous No.1057468]

You niggas know that if you stay at the side in sonic & tails mode the tails AI will instinctively try to move the barrel by looking down if it got on it right?

[Anonymous No.1057483]

I don't understand how so many people could fail on those barrels. Did you just stand and jump for 10 minutes without realizing the reason you're not getting anywhere is because you're doing something wrong?

>>1057443
That was the best thing I've seen all day.
Now I want to play Donkey Donkey Picnic.

>>1057463
That would be Metropolis from Sonic 2.

[Anonymous No.1057487]

>>1057483
>That would be Metropolis from Sonic 2.
>Not Wacky Workbench
Most the zones in Sonic CD are more annoying than Metropolis zone in my opinion

[Anonymous No.1057496]

>>1057487
Actually, now that I think about it, Sandopolis from S&K is probably worse than Metropolis.

[Anonymous No.1057503]

>>1057496
Act 2 certainly is

[Anonymous No.1057509]

>>1057496
As someone that somehow managed to enjoy the zone I can't help but ask "why?"
Also nominating scrap brain zone 3.

[Anonymous No.1057516]

>>1057509
Labyrinth Zone is worse than Scrap Brain 3

[Anonymous No.1057518]

>>1057509
Mostly the part where lights come off and you have to find switches, as well as the whole part where you go down the slide and have to jump to the right one or it repeats forever.
Also the fact that it often feels really cramped.

[Anonymous No.1057523]

Worst, most annoying zone in any Sonic game ever you say?

[Anonymous No.1057526]

>>1057384
Kurt Cobain shot himself because he couldn't figure it out.

[Anonymous No.1057532]

only way i knew how to get past that part along with a turbo gamepad spamming the jump button and getting stuck in the wall after

[Anonymous No.1057540]

>>1057526
lol

[Alfhedil Elf-Hewer No.1057549]

Why are threads about this spinning barrel always so great?

[Anonymous No.1057554]

>>1057549
great as in good or great as in size?

[Anonymous No.1057583]

>>1057554
Maybe great as in ripe for trolling? Make a few posts on either side and watch the shit hit the fan.

[AnusMoony !!UDpQoP3QLU6 No.1057631]

>>1057483
You can move the barrel by jumping...so I never just stood there, I would keep jumping thinking I just had the timing wrong. There is never another point in any of the Sonic games that required this. Sonic isn't a fucking puzzle game. Oh...and the way that the door closes behind you when you enter. THEY. FUCKING. KNEW. It was meant to be a difficult point or else they would have just allowed you to take an alternate route. The barrel is an annoying thing that required extreme out of the box thinking for a Sonic game and should have been an alternate route that granted you a couple life-ups or something. Also, I don't remember seeing anything about it in the manual.

[AnusMoony !!UDpQoP3QLU6 No.1057648]

>>1057631
Oh...one more thing. I just learned that the sheer volume of players stumped at this point resulted in an automated message giving you the answer if you called the 900 helpline...BEFORE THEY EVEN TOOK YOUR CALL! If that isn't the ultimate bit of evidence that they fucked up on this, I don't know what is.

[Anonymous No.1057663]

>>1057373
this. I can understand why it does a poor job of conveying what you're supposed to do, but I can't understand how someone could struggle to figure it out regardless

[F !!HC6LkrsCq6z No.1057665]

>>1057402
Similar situation here, but with a cousin. When we figured out how easy it way, we wanted to punch each other.
Ice Cap feels so rewarding...

[Anonymous No.1057695]

>>1057631
>>1057648
Fucking this. It's a platformer, a game about JUMPING, and the barrels react to JUMPING ON THEM. Pressing up and down doesn't even make sense in the context of the game world either. What is Sonic doing, moving it with his mind while he's standing on it? I think that's far more retarded than thinking jumping on it repeatedly at timed intervals will give you enough upward momentum to make it high enough. Not to mention you are NEVER REQUIRED TO USE UP AND DOWN AT ANY OTHER POINT IN THE GAME.

Design wise, this area is just pants-on-head retarded, not the people who got stuck there.

[Anonymous No.1057696]

>>1057468
I learn something new today.

[Anonymous No.1057701]

I could never figure it out. I got frustrated and stopped playing. And when I went back to it I still had problems even after figuring it out. However it was on the Gamecube collection disc. I never played it on Genesis. Are the colors of the level supposed to change at some point? Like the lights were dimmed? I thought maybe that version was just bad or something.

[Anonymous No.1057714]

ITT y cant metroid crawl????

[Anonymous No.1057723]

>>1057526

[Anonymous No.1057726]

>>1057701
You mean when Knuckles cuts the power so all the colored lights go out?
Yes, that's supposed to be with dimmed lights.

[Anonymous No.1057731]

>>1057583
Not as "great" as sonic cd threads

[Anonymous No.1057763]

>>1057695
The design is bad but I don't see how you could possibly get stuck on it

[Anonymous No.1057765]

>>1057695
>Not to mention you are NEVER REQUIRED TO USE UP AND DOWN AT ANY OTHER POINT IN THE GAME.

[Anonymous No.1057773]

I AM SINISTAR
BEWARE I LIVE
RUN RUN RUN
BEWARE COWARD
RUN RUN RUN
ROOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR
I HUNGER

[Anonymous No.1057782]

>>1057765
But that's reminiscent of shmups. You kinda get the idea that you're free-floating or free-moving.

With the barrel, jumping is completely logical as far as creating momentum, especially when Sonic's sprite doesn't duck or lurch upwards when pressing up and down on the D-Pad.

[Anonymous No.1057785]

>>1057782
>it's especially obvious because sonic's sprite doesn't duck or lurch upwards
fixed
the fact that the barrel is unique in this regard conveys to the player that pressing up and down does something special

[Anonymous No.1057795]

Dont have any pics but in 97 i had a really hard time on a game called pandemonium where you had to heat up a ballon and jump on a bosses head. Replaying the game now i find it easy as fuck but as a kid it was hard as shit

[Anonymous No.1057813]

>>1057782
You also kinda get the idea that up and down can do things other than looking up and down in certain instances of the game, even if the manual doesn't specifically mention it. It didn't mention that boss either. So you get it into your head that maybe you should think outside the box once in a while.

[Anonymous No.1057812]

>>1057782
y cant metroid crawl????

[Anonymous No.1057823]

>get to barrel
>I've been playing Sega for years now, not an fucking moron
>push down, barrel goes down
what the fuck is wrong with some people, I swear

[Anonymous No.1057824]

>>1057714
>>1057812
>if I say it enough times...

[Anonymous No.1057830]

>>1057785
Wrong.

If you couldn't jump while on the barrel, or if jumping didn't have an immediate and drastic effect (the same effect you are in fact looking for in order to pass the barrel) then you would be right. The player would instinctively attempt other things to make the barrel move.

But that is not the case. You need to pass the barrel. 99% of the games problems can be fixed by jumping on them, and the barrel initially tells you the same thing by reacting to you jumping on it in the exact way you need it to in order to progress.

When faced with a problem in Sonic, the player's hierarchy of movement is going to immediately go to jumping (assuming that the game doesn't give the player an initial obvious visual cue to not do so, such as spikes on top of an enemy). The barrel immediately rewards a player for doing this by moving up and down.

[Anonymous No.1057832]

>>1057824
Hey faggot

This is you:
y cant sanic barrel????

[Anonymous No.1057840]

So the people who get stuck on the barrel, did you also get stuck on this guy?

[Anonymous No.1057841]

>>1057830
>The barrel immediately rewards a player for doing this by moving up and down.

and then you proceed to not succeed at it for several minutes.

How does that not give you the hint that jumping is wrong?

[Anonymous No.1057848]

I really can't understand people saying that because the barrel moves a little bit when you jump, that means it is bad design and terribly obfuscated. There are five fucking buttons in Sonic, and one of them pauses the game. Did you just stare at your genesis pad like it was some alien technology? Even as a five year old who NOPE'd the fuck out of any water level like a retard, I could figure out the barrel.

[Anonymous No.1057843]

>>1057840
No, because all of your normal tricks against bosses are clearly shown to be ineffective, and the inclusion of an environmental trap on the opposite side of his spawn point is pretty telling.

[Anonymous No.1057854]

>>1057840

>getting stuck on Sandopolis boss

No, but playing that level for the first time as Tails was a bad fucking idea.

[Anonymous No.1057851]

>>1057695
No, the people who get stuck there are retarded. Whether the design is bad, it's clear that jumping up and down doesn't work. So what do you fucking do? Keep jumping? You fucking press up and down to move the barrel up and down. None of the other buttons do anything. Does up and down to move up and down never cross your fucking mind?

[Anonymous No.1057852]

>>1057841
>several minutes

This is pretty much the issue right here. Several minutes is a long time in a Sonic game, especially when many players ran the clock out the first time they attempted it. I'd imagine that when players state they got stuck on it, what they mean is it that they failed to figure it out 1-3 times, before finally figuring things out. I know I probably walked away from the game the first time I failed on the barrel and then proceeded to play another game instead, before coming back to Sonic 3 at some point in the future.

[Anonymous No.1057862]

>>1057854
Tails and Knuckles are boss on Act 1, you can just fly past half the stage.

[Anonymous No.1057860]

>>1057851
>Clear that jumping doesn't work.
>Goal of the barrel is to move it high enough up that you can progress.
>Jumping on the barrel causes it to move up and down.
>This is the exact action you need it to do in order to progress.

[Anonymous No.1057868]

>>1057860
And are you moving up and down enough to progress? No you aren't. A mentally capable person would try some of the other fucking buttons. What goes through people's heads when they get stuck here? "Gee this isn't working I better keep doing it for a half hour and then quit without trying anything else." How is that not retarded?

[Anonymous No.1057873]

>>1057868
refer to
>>1057852

If a Sonic game has me sit in one room for a long period of time because of a poorly built puzzle, even as a kid with no new games coming to me for some time in the future, I'm probably just going to walk away, or throw in a different game.

[Anonymous No.1057876]

>>1057873
>Puzzle
>Press up and down to move up and down
>Oh god so fucking hard I give up

Have you considered that you may be as retarded as the people who didn't get stuck there say that you are?

[Anonymous No.1057879]

>>1057852
>>1057873
By the same logic, the fact that it took several minutes via the jumping method should clue you in that jumping doesn't work. It takes like five seconds if you do it right.

[Anonymous No.1057893]

>>1057876
Have you considered that you are lording your intelligence over people on an anonymous image board like you're some god-king of faggots?

No one that got stuck on the barrel sat their for days in front of their tv's, attempting to divine the answer out of thin air. They played the game, met with an obstacle that is unlike any in the game before that (as well as previous entries in the series) that is progressed through with a solution not used in the game anywhere else, and then you know what?

They probably just walked away after an attempt or two, came back a day or so later, figured it out, and said "huh, that was dumb".

The only reason these threads are so plentiful is because it's a shared experience. No one was stumped for hours on end, and if they say they were they're being hyperbolic. The worst thing that comes out of these threads is faggots like you that get off on pretending your smarter than everyone around you.

[Anonymous No.1057903]

>>1057893
>They probably just walked away after an attempt or two, came back a day or so later, figured it out, and said "huh, that was dumb".

and then proceeded to come here and proclaim that the barrel was satan's curse on gaming.

[Anonymous No.1057907]

>>1057903
Right, because gamers never exaggerate about anything.

Especially shared experiences.

[Anonymous No.1057908]

>>1057893

What color was the carpet in your class room? Did they let you mingle with the normal children?

[Anonymous No.1057918]

>>1057876
I really fucking hate that there are some people on here that are idiots when it come to the simplest things. No I'm not talking about the barrel. I am talking about learning how to keep your mouth shut if you have nothing nice or useful to say about the subject.

This isn't /v/. You don't have to hate every game and person on here. If you still stuck with that mindset then go back to /v/ and just stay there until you learn how to act like a human being with common sense.

[Anonymous No.1057919]

>>1057893
You need to go up and down. Jumping doesn't work. So you press up and down and it works. If you can't figure that out you're fucking retarded. That's all there is to it.

[Anonymous No.1057923]

>>1057893
>>1057918
You idiots always get so offended over this. If it bothers you so much that you're stupid then don't post about the barrel. It just gives people a chance to remind you of it.

[Anonymous No.1057924]

>>1057908
The color was the the same texture as the barrel, and they let me play with other kids because I didn't make thinly veiled retard jokes at their expense so I could feel better than them.

[Anonymous No.1057925]

Everyone getting mad over this really needs to calm down. It's just a dumb, overused joke, much like how people say the Water Temple in OoT is so hard. Everyone knows it's not really that hard, and everyone knows the barrel isn't that big of a deal. Chill out.

[Anonymous No.1057928]

>>1057918
B-but anon! How else will I escape the crushing despair of my NEET lifestyle by pretending to be mentally superior to others on an anonymous image board?

[Anonymous No.1057929]

>>1057918
Personally, I really hate when people say that they did retarded things, someone else calls them retarded, and then they write multiple paragraph responses whining about how you have to be nice to them.

[Anonymous No.1057936]

>>1057929
You get asspained when you perceive other people getting asspained?

[Anonymous No.1057943]

>>1057924

Oh I don't need to make jokes to feel better than you, the fact that I can figure out a simple mechanic in a video game will suffice.

[Anonymous No.1057949]

>>1057893
True. I only really got stuck here twice. Passed it by jumping one time, failed at that the second time, when the time ran out I tried to find a way around it, and when I couldn't, I shut the power off.

Went straight to S&K after that. Tried again a year or two later and jumping still didn't work, so I ragequit until I learned about gamefaqs.

[Anonymous No.1057950]

Guys the other day I was talking with this friend of mine about Sonic 3 and inevitably the barrel comes up.

>Friend: Yeah I hated that fuckin barrel man, I remember getting stuck on that for a bit as a kid cuz it just doesn't make sense
>Me: Really? 'Cuz I didn't have any trouble with it at all, but I can see where you're coming from, it definitely does come out of left field.
>Friend: Yeah it's the kind of thing that makes you say "oh, duh, of course thats how you would do that".
>Me: Haha yeah, definitely.

Man I sure showed that retarded faggot what for with my totally overblown shitfest and pointing out how fucking dumb he is, what a goddamn pleb.

[Anonymous No.1057976]

>>1057974

y cant anon not shitpost???????

[Anonymous No.1057974]

>>1057918
y cant metroid crawl????

[Anonymous No.1058042]

>inb4 not retro
/v/ doesn't care about Okami anymore since it's a Kamiya-related game, I think games like this fit this board better anyway.

[Anonymous No.1058043]

>>1057368
Got stuck there once when I was young. A few years later I passed it as if it wasn't there.

[Anonymous No.1058150]

>>1057840
I died due to timeout, then I figured since I hit him a gorillion times, there must be an unconventional way of beating him.

[Anonymous No.1058152]

Have beaten all of the Genesis Sonic games. Literally first time I've ever heard of this barrel issue. Had to go watch the video to even know what people are talking about and still don't get it because the barrel was never a hindrance. As other people stated Sonic only has a few possible actions. How you wouldn't figure it out almost immediately makes no sense.

Furthermore I'm laughing at the sad state of so called "gamers" who are actually calling it a flaw that a game didn't allow them to breeze right through it. This is the cancer that has ruined modern gaming and turned it into nothing more than interactive digital comics with no real gaming to be seen. All of the "gaming" aspects are just BS ego boosting filler so fucking retards can actually pretend they have accomplished something. In other words gaming has become the fucking special Olympics where everyone wins.

This is actually why none of the Sonic games are that good of games. They are too fucking easy.

[Anonymous No.1058172]

>>1058152
It's not that big of a deal, dude. Bring it down.

[Anonymous No.1058179]

>>1058172
y cant sanic barrel???? HERP THIS GAME SUCKS BECAUSE I DONT UNDERSTAND THIS PART

[Anonymous No.1058240]

>>1057443
>just what the fuck is a knuckle

closed tab

[Anonymous No.1058246]

>>1057468
I never knew this. Gotta try it some time.

Video?

[Anonymous No.1058247]

>>1057532
>needing turbo

[Anonymous No.1058331]

>>1058240
I think it's a joke video anon

[Anonymous No.1058338]

>>1058331
>I think

no, you don't think, you listen

[Alfhedil Elf-Hewer No.1058365]

>>1057554
>>1057583
>>1057731
I meant great as in a nice read.

[Anonymous No.1058368]

>>1058338
Pardon me?

[Anonymous No.1058383]

X6>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X4>X1>X2>X3>X5

Still can't decide on where I stand on X8 for some reason. I only rank X6 so much higher than the rest because I don't play this series much anymore and when I do it's usually trying to improve on that one.

[Anonymous No.1058398]

>>1058179
Literally 0 people are implying that.

[Anonymous No.1058634]

>>1057368
>hardest
>boss

Seriously? I mean sure, it was a bit confusing at first, but it literally takes less than a minute to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.1058695]

>>1057368
holy fuck
omfg i got stuck on this fucking part for days. me and my brother never figured it out. but we were able to find a bug to get around it. about 5 minutes earlier in the level is a bubble powerup. sonic gets the bubble and tails protects him from monsters. using one of those special controllers that rapidly press the button automatically, sonic can use the bubble bounce and bounce through the barrel.

literally about 15 years later i read something about how all you had to do was press up and down on the dpad to move the barrel.
>goddamnit

[Anonymous No.1058719]

>>1057373
This.
And keep in mind I was probably 10 when I played this game.

[Anonymous No.1058743]

>>1058695
So I'm not the only one who always made sure to have a water shield and bounce the shit out of the barrels to get through?
Being able to actually jump my way through made me sure that jumping was the actual solution.

Also you don't need a special controller

[Anonymous No.1058796]

>jumping on the barrel
>get momentum
>think it's gone high enough
>try to pass it quickly
>get crushed

[Anonymous No.1058801]

>>1058796
>jumping on the barrel for hours
>finally pass it
>die because too much time passed

[Aleka !!qFhW8Jkoj/D No.1058804]

>>1057368
It took me years to figure out. One of the worst things they could have put in that level.

[Anonymous No.1058868]

>>1057841
The problem is that jumping wasn't wrong enough. There were people who actually did get past it by jumping. If you jumped on it, it would bounce up and down. If you jumped on it while it was moving down, it would move down some more. All this did was tell the player 'you need to jump at the right time'. If jumping on it didn't do anything, people would try else, but it did something, and it was enough to tell people 'this is the right thing to do'. The worst part is that there was other barrels in the level, and it was easy to get under them by jumping, too.

[Anonymous No.1058871]

>>1057443
>n in and int bounces up and down like the rest.
>>If you jump with perfect timing, it will go higher and higher each tim
Sonic games based on a cartoon. WTF I'm reading!!

And because of that you only deserve a Sonic dildo.

[Anonymous No.1058876]

>>1057523
Took my stupid sexy ass like four minutes to realize I had to hold the opposite direction of the platform when I jumped during the water slide parts.

[Anonymous No.1059043]

I think this thread encapsulates possibly the only bad side of this board.

In every thread where anyone has ever stated 'Hey remember X, that was pretty tough/cryptic/obtuse. It gave me some trouble as a kid.' There always has to be somebody who has to claim that they never struggled with this problem and call everyone that did a brain dead moron.

It's simply baffling. Of course the solution seems simple now all these years later, even if you didn't struggle at the time you may have just lucked out or maybe you used a certain line of child logic that got you to the answer.

Even if you did solve this puzzle or whatever, what is the point in declaring that you had superior problem solving abilities when you were 6 than someone else on an anonymous image board.

I just don't understand

[Anonymous No.1059052]

ITT y cant metroid crawl????
it's spelled out for you in the game, stop fucking posting in this thread.

[Anonymous No.1059053]

>>1059043
>In every thread where anyone has ever stated 'Hey remember X, that was pretty tough/cryptic/obtuse. It gave me some trouble as a kid.' There always has to be somebody who has to claim that they never struggled with this problem and call everyone that did a brain dead moron.

Dick waving is a very common thing on the internet. I usually just ignore those people. Though personally I love it when someone tries really hard to dick wave and end up saying something so ridiculous that it ends up blowing up in their face.

[Anonymous No.1059059]

>>1059052
A typical circusy pattern in what is probably the most colorful level in the entire series is not "spelled out".

[Anonymous No.1059061]

>>1059052
>>1058179
>>1057974
>>1057832
>>1057812
>>1057714

>shitposting this hard
>STOP HAVING DISCUSSIONS GUYS BE MORE LIKE /v/

[Anonymous No.1059069]

>>1059043

What >>1059053 said, really.

Also people who dickwave about figuring out a video game at the age of 7...you must lead a very fulfilling life.

[Anonymous No.1059071]

>>1059059
IF IT DOESNT WORK BY JUMPING OR SPINDASHING WHAT OTHER BUTTONS HAVE PURPOSES IN SONIC GEE I WONDER

>>1059061
Maybe because this entire topic is a reddit-tier shitpost you fucking faggot.

[Anonymous No.1059075]

>>1059053
>>1059069

it just makes me so sad to see it on this board
I love old games and I really like /vr/ but this sort of penis posturing ruins everything

[Anonymous No.1059078]

>>1059071
>IF IT DOESNT WORK BY JUMPING

Except it does.

You just need to work on your toimin

[Anonymous No.1059113]

>>1059053
>>1059043
>It gave me some trouble as a kid.

Yeah the thing is, these threads are never "X gave me some trouble as a kid." They're always THIS FUCKING BARREL and BADLY DESIGNED and PUZZLES IN OLD GAMES WERE TERRIBLE LOL.

And the fact that people get so defensive about it. Have some humility and say "I guess I probably could have figured that out" or something.

If people want to talk about stuff they got stuck on, that's fine. But it's uncommon to see people blaming themselves instead of the game, and this is a general thing, not just about this one dumb Sonic level.

[Anonymous No.1059136]

>>1059078
Oh shut the fuck up and read the thread.

[Anonymous No.1059315]

>>1057368

>Decide to finally go through all the sanics last year
>Get past 1, 2 and soon onto 3.
>Get to this stage
>This fucking barrel
>Didn't know what to do, must kept jumping up and down
>Roommate keeps on saying to "go around and find another way"
>Literally cannot fathom how to past this.
>Get pissed and look online
>hurr durr move up and down.
>Remember how many people told me about this moment when they discuss sonic on the internet
>Remember how I wished I never knew about the barrel, and moving up and down because I wanted to experience its bullshit first hand

It was an odd experience to be honest, I got what I wanted, but it felt weird as well, since it's something as basic as moving up and down, but no one got that.

[Anonymous No.1059430]

>getting stuck on sonic
i dont even

[Anonymous No.1059462]

>>1057851
>it's clear that jumping up and down doesn't work
It actually does work, it just requires a lot of luck and patience.

It's obvious that the barrel bounces farther when you build up momentum, and certainly way more intuitive than "steering" the barrel with the D-pad.
It wasn't that people got 'stuck' on it, it was that we were too young to think "Hey, maybe this bullshit hard difficulty means I'm doing something wrong." At the age of 5, EVERYTHING was bullshit hard difficulty.

[Anonymous No.1059473]

>>1057368
This motherfucking part all over again...

I tried for fucking months to anger and deseperation. One day, it came out naturally.

[Anonymous No.1059480]

>>1059462
>it was that we were too young to think "Hey, maybe this bullshit hard difficulty means I'm doing something wrong."

I'm sorry you were incapable of critical thought as a child, but everyone I knew that had the game never said a thing about it, and I watched a few of them just breeze right through it their first time playing it when we brought our genesis to a birthday party.

[Anonymous No.1059481]

>>1059473
I just don't get how that's possible. It boggles the mind that someone could get stuck on this

[Anonymous No.1059484]

>>1057523
no, labryinth was pretty easy. you can beat act 1 in under a minute and act 2 in under 2 minutes. the only reason act 3 is hard is because people instinctively chase after robotnik near the end and go too fast on a difficult platforming area

[Anonymous No.1059486]

>>1058152
>This is actually why none of the Sonic games are that good of games. They are too fucking easy.

They're games for kids, duder. It's a good thing the difficulty is easy to medium.

Not every game has to be Ninja Gaiden 2.

[Anonymous No.1059510]

>>1057873
>If a Sonic game has me sit in one room for a long period of time because of a poorly built puzzle, even as a kid with no new games coming to me for some time in the future, I'm probably just going to walk away, or throw in a different game.

... and that shit is why I never bother playing any Mario and Zelda games; despite my sister owning a SNES.

Yoshis Island was fucking balls though.

[Anonymous No.1059526]

>Have no problem with it as a child
>years later after not playing it for 8 or so years and have forgotten everything except that I was always too shit to beat the final boss
>get stuck on the barrel for 20 or so minutes because I can't remember how to do it and I can always get it JUUUUST close enough with jumping that I think I just need to time it better
>figure it out 3 lives later
>Final boss is easy as shit to me now


Labyrinth zone and Sonic 2's final boss are still miles worse though.

[Anonymous No.1059736]

>>1059071
>Saging during an argument
Want some cream for your butt?

[Anonymous No.1059753]

I played Sonic 3 for the first time recently and this stumped the shit out of me for like 15 minutes. I kept trying to jump like in Mario or something.

[Anonymous No.1059842]

>>1059480
Please, explain to me how throwing all logic out the fucking window to progress past a barrel that changes its height and builds momentum when you jump on it by pressing buttons on the controller in your hand, completely breaking immersion with the game world and all logic therein, is critical thinking.

In the context of the game, it makes no fucking sense. One must remove oneself from the game's context completely in order to progress.

This is not good design, nor is it intelligent that you spam buttons on your controller to progress because what is happening on screen makes no fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.1059845]

>>1059480
Please, explain to me how throwing all logic out the fucking window to progress past a barrel (that changes its height and builds momentum when you jump on it) by pressing buttons on the controller in your hand, completely breaking immersion with the game world and all logic therein, is critical thinking.

In the context of the game, it makes no fucking sense. One must remove oneself from the game's context completely in order to progress.

This is not good design, nor is it intelligent that you spam buttons on your controller to progress because what is happening on screen makes no fucking sense. That isn't critical thinking skills, it's desperation.

[Anonymous No.1059848]

>>1059526
Sonic 2 wasn't that bad, the challenge was getting the timing of the rocket fists right. Then again the lack of a checkpoint made practice difficult.

[Anonymous No.1059907]

>>1059848

True enuogh, I think it's really just a personal problem that I find him difficult.

I had silver Sonic down to a science at one point, though.

[Anonymous No.1059921]

>>1059845

The thought process in my five or six year old mind went more or less like this:
>Gotta go fast
>Jumping on it isn't fast
>Therefore jumping is wrong
>What else can I do?

[Anonymous No.1059920]

>>1059907
Well that's an easy science.

Can't you just spindash where he lands when he appears and get like 4 hits in before he spins?

[Anonymous No.1059928]

>>1059845
So you're saying that using a controller to control the character you're playing breaks immersion within the game world and all logic therein.

Did you rage at the Marble Garden boss too? And don't give me "well, it was reminiscent of shmups" because "in the context of the game, it makes no fucking sense" can be applied to that situation using the exact same logic.

In the context of the game, any "solution" that takes more than a few seconds is the wrong solution, so putting two and two together means that jumping to build momentum, which takes several minutes even if you time it right, is the wrong solution. Remembering that up and down did something different in previous zones means that you should, if you had any cognitive function whatsoever, be able to figure out that maybe pressing up and down does something here too, especially since your normal D-pad controls are non-functional when on the barrels.

[Anonymous No.1059934]

I was like fucking five and i was an angry fuckin' kid, this pissed me right off, but i refused to quit. Broke three pads, and managed to figure out how to glitch past it in the process. Even thinking about this kinda still pisses me off today, but kinda brings back some good ones, the level was cool barring the fustration of that fucking barrel

[Anonymous No.1059970]

>>1059934
>broke 3 pads
good fucking god, did you have a learning disability?
you broke 3 pads and never tried pressing up and down in the process?

[Anonymous No.1059984]

>>1059970
Fuck you buddy, i learnt how to glitch past it,
that took more thought than pressing up and down.

[Anonymous No.1060021]

>>1059984
it took an amazing lack of thought to stumble upon a glitch before pressing up and down

[Anonymous No.1060031]

>>1060021
Read that shit again >five
it took some working out to figure that glitch.

But, at least it's become a habit that stuck, i'm fucking good at exploiting glitches on games now

[Anonymous No.1060063]

>>1059845
>throwing all logic out the fucking window

using the D-pad to make something up and down is hardly illogical

>completely breaking immersion with the game world and all logic therein

Now you're just parroting "immersion" arguments that don't make any sense in this context. I suppose if Sonic was the only game you had ever played, and you had never used the up/down arrows to do any action in any other game (elevators, entering doors, climbing up, etc.) that would be understandable.

The reason these threads get the way they do is because you can't swallow your pride and say "Yeah I was kinda dumb to not think of trying that, oh well."

[Anonymous No.1060136]

Nowhere in the manual does it say 'you can press UP and DOWN while standing on certain objects to move them' or something similar.

[Anonymous No.1060141]

>>1060136
Nowhere in the manual does it mention the Marble Garden 2 boss. Gonna complain about that too?

[Anonymous No.1060187]

itt: people who never played point and click and try to inject "logic" into a videogame

[Anonymous No.1060292]

>>1060136

[Anonymous No.1060373]

>>1060292
Are we sure this guy was being serious?

[Anonymous No.1060474]

>>1057496
>>1057503
Any irritation is outweighed by the amount of satisfaction when I finally got passed it.

Especially since I skipped sonic 3, and couldn't save my game.

[Anonymous No.1060548]

Honestly, I got stuck playing Tails alone in S3. Fucking Marble Garden Zone boss killed the fuck out of me. I kept thinking it was a bug and I was actually supposed to get Knuckles' version of the boss.

[Shaithis !ceYOYlFZoU No.1061362]

this, fucking captain fuckles here. I'm fucking amazing at incredible chernobylpisstakebouncydiesinonehitman, but fucked if i can get past this cumswigger of a boss.

[Anonymous No.1061629]

Stuck here for days as a kid. Because the first time I got to it I tried the momentum thing, took about three minutes but I actually got past the barrel, time ran out right at the end of the stage. The momentum thing never worked again. Eventually held down by accident while jumping, saw that it made the barrel go to the floor, then just held down, it worked, beat the game. Until today I never knew you could "rock" it up & down.

[Anonymous No.1061663]

>>1060548
Never occurred to you to use his tails to attack him?

[Anonymous No.1061693]

most reposted thread of the /vr/s

[Anonymous No.1062012]

>>1057509
>scrap brain zone 3

You know the sliding platform at the start? Don't wait for it to stop, charge ahead and you'll drop down to a point a minute before the end.

[Anonymous No.1062029]

>>1057663

Up in Sonic games means "gaze skyward and shift the camera", Down means "roll into a ball or fellate self". Buttons on a pad are fundamentally arbitrary and we tend to internalise the meaning the game gives them pretty quickly.

I use Bubble shield spazzing to get past it, so I never had much reason to complete this idiocy, I just thought you had to get from the bubble shield TV right after Knuckles cuts the power to this point without losing it, which made sense as the barrel comes right after the end of the water section. There's also a lamppost so you can try the gumball machine if you fucked up and lost it.

[Anonymous No.1062048]

>>1057765

I would legitimately get my little bro to hammer the jump button at those points and curse about how difficult the game was. Only learned you could control it as Sonic after I got into the habit of bubble-spazzing past the barrel so I thought that was a solved problem.

[Anonymous No.1062054]

>>1057785

No, it conveys that he doesn't have rotating frames for gazing skyward and fellating himself. His standing bolt upright on a barrel sprites looked pretty off to begin with, I just thought they were lazy.

[Anonymous No.1062457]

>>1058796
>>1058801

[Anonymous No.1062649]

http://youtu.be/SLgW6WN7Nk0?t=9m40s
http://youtu.be/o9yaP8v1Sww?t=13m

I like looking thru LPs to see the guy's reaction to the Barrel.