/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10572808]

What is the best way to play Sonic Adventure in 2024 on PC? I know the PC port is shit SOOOOO
1) just emulate the dream cast version
2) emulate the game cube version
3) try to get the PC version to work and install countless of mods to fix it?

I just want to play the game as easy as possible without much work.

[Anonymous No.10572814]

By not playing it.

[Anonymous No.10572826]

>>10572808
In order of least to most effort
> Gamecube > Dreamcast > PC
If you don't mind the worse graphics and some issues stemming from the 60 fps, then the Gamecube version is servicable. Dreamcast emulation is alright, so it shouldn't be too hard either. PC, there are some modpacks that you can download, but they may or may not depend on which version you have (2004 vs Steam).

[Anonymous No.10572871]

>>10572808
>the PC port is shit
All ports are shit but the PC port can be fixed and turned into the definitive version of the game with this:
https://sadxmodinstaller.unreliable.network/

[Anonymous No.10572898]

>>10572814
kill yourself witless wonder jannie

[Anonymous No.10573071]

>>10572808
>>10572871
Yeah, it is a 1 click installer to get the PC version fixed and look like the Dreamcast version.

[Anonymous No.10573094]

PC with the restoration mods, it's easy as shit to install said mods, and you have the good graphics and shit with 60fps.
>But I can't do that!
If you can use an emulator, you can install the modloader.

[Anonymous No.10573097]

>>10572814
kill yourself faggot. SA1 is a masterpiece

[Anonymous No.10573180]

>>10572871
I used this when for some reason I wanted to replay this game a few years ago and it gave me exactly what I wanted, other than a better game.

[Anonymous No.10573187]

>>10572808
>What is the best way to play Sonic Adventure in 2024 on PC?
Don't play it on PC. Get a GameCube or Dreamcast and play it on the original hardware.

[Anonymous No.10573209]

>>10573187
>Get a GameCube or Dreamcast and play it on the original hardware

why?
seriously why?
Dolphin is a great emulator and I can hook up my PC to my TV and play with a controller. What would the difference REALLY be?

[Anonymous No.10573268]

>>10573209
nta, but at that point, I'd just mod the pc version, and play that on the TV.

[Anonymous No.10573272]

>>10573187
>Get a GameCube
Nah, that's retarded because Wii's are cheap, easily modded, and are fully compatible.

[Anonymous No.10573285]

>>10573209
>>10573187
Modded PC version is better. It fixes the bugs, restores the lighting engine and allows you to restore all of the original assets too. It's the best version of the game if you want to play at 60 FPS
Pic related. Modded PC looks like the Dreamcast version on the left

[Anonymous No.10573953]

>>10573285
How was that NOT noticed during QA testing?

[Anonymous No.10574004]

>>10573953
>How was that NOT noticed during QA testing?
>post Dreamcast SEGA
>QA
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.10574028]

>>10573953
Too much effort to fix everything. Porting the game to a much more primitive gpu screwed up the graphics for the entire game.

[Anonymous No.10574036]

>>10574028
>Porting the game to a much more primitive gpu screwed up the graphics
>GameCube GPU
>more primitive than the Dreamcast GPU
Yes, I'm sure Resident Evil 4 would have looked much better on the Dreamcast

[Anonymous No.10574057]

>>10573953
>make a first party game making heavy use of the dreamcast's features
>oh shit we're literally dying and have to port it to our competitor's console now quick
Also it probably helped that the average consumer is retarded. I had the PC version growing up and never knew anything was wrong with it. Even seeing comparisons like that now my response is a big "meh, right is how SA looks like in my memory."

[Anonymous No.10574110]

>>10573953
>QA
>implying
Everything about SADX suggests they pushed it out the door as quickly as humanly possible because, as said, they needed money fast. The supposed 'upgrades' are laughable to look at now and they broke so many things in the process it's taken modders years to salvage it. It reminds me of the situation with GTA IV's PC port.

[Anonymous No.10574115]

Honestly there aren't any bad options between the console versions and modded pc. It's on the second playthrough where it makes sense to get super autistic about which version to play. But if you just emulate the GameCube or Dreamcast version, it's going to be comfy and fun no matter what. When you finish it, then the autistic stuff like modding the PC version actually becomes fun and interesting

[Anonymous No.10574449]

>mfw I played sadx on gamecube as a kid
>it was my gateway to sonic autism
I actually get nostalgia for the inferior version, fuck me.

[Anonymous No.10574454]

>>10572808
>>10572826
>>10574449
>the inferior version

They're still the same game.

The best version of SA1 is Sonic Adventure original GDI (US 1.005, animated title screen) or SADX with SADX Mod Installer.

>Dreamcast
Sonic Adventure original GDI (US 1.005, animated title screen)
https://cdromance.com/dc-iso/sonic-adventure-usa/
Sonic Adventure DC-HD first release (60 FPS, widescreen, skippable cutscenes, restored objects etc.)
https://dcmods.unreliable.network/index.php/2021/08/27/sonic-adventure-dc-hd-first-release/

>Windows
Sonic Adventure DX - Director's Cut (PC, 2004)
https://archive.org/details/SonicAdventureDXPC
SADX Mod Installer (This is a tool for Sonic Adventure DX PC that installs the latest version of MainMemory’s SADX Mod Loader and its dependencies, as well as Dreamcast Conversion and several other mods, which are sorted and configured automatically!)
https://sadxmodinstaller.unreliable.network/

>List of available Sonic Adventure (+DX) builds. SA1 can barely manage 30 fps on Dreamcast and had performance issues thanks to it using its own lighting engine, which is probably a huge factor into why SA2 runs at 60.
https://dcmods.unreliable.network/index.php/2021/09/03/list-of-available-sonic-adventure-builds/

>This blog examines the differences between Dreamcast, Gamecube and PC versions of Sonic Adventure/Sonic Adventure DX, focusing on changes in the Gamecube and PC ports that can be considered downgrades from the original Dreamcast version.
https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network/index.php/category/level-specific-downgrades/

[OP No.10574694]

>>10573094

>PC with the restoration mods, it's easy as shit to install said mods, and you have the good graphics and shit with 60fps.

Serious question: Does it FULLY SUPPORT MY CONTROLLER?
I doubt it does.
I will have to install some extra keyboard controller mapper program and the game will have 0 controller feedback and as USUAL (this is something you keyboard mouse faggots forget) there is just ONE state of walking, 1,0, which is the only thing possible with a fucking keyboard, unless you hold shift to walk slower or something while you know on a controller you can just slightly hold the analog stick to not fully run and stuff.

ANYWAY I just got
>Sonic Adventure DX
for PC now let me google for
>PC with the restoration mods
and I bet it will not be as easy as you claim and I will come back here, complain and tell you how wrong you are and list all the problems I have, you will NOT reply to those or give me ANY solution to the problems I list and just brush it off with
>you are doing it wrong (without any advice or solution)
>works on my machine
like clockwork and in the end I will just have wasted my time and play the GameCube Version instead.

Why again should I play the PC version? Like what is even the great difference between PC and GameCube?

[Anonymous No.10575185]

>>10574694
>Serious question: Does it FULLY SUPPORT MY CONTROLLER?
There's a mod for xbox controllers that worked great last time I played it.
>now let me google for PC with the restoration mods
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Sonic_Adventure_DX
There's an installer that sets up the essential mods for you. It's easy.
I swear people get so intimidated by the idea of modding that they crawl to emulators because it's what they're used to.

[Anonymous No.10575198]

>>10572814
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10575207]

This game is complete ass. It astounds me that this many people suck it off but I guess Sonic was a big deal to the Gamecube folks

[Anonymous No.10575216]

>>10575207
It's still the best 3D Sonic.

[Anonymous No.10575248]

>>10575216
This isn't a Sonic Generations thread

[Anonymous No.10575253]

>>10574694
>what is even the great difference between PC and GameCube?
Every vanilla DX version is completely fucked, including GC, see the comparison image in >>10573285
If you don't want fucked up graphics you play either the Dreamcast original or the modded PC version by using the SADX mod installer Anon linked here >>10574454

[Anonymous No.10575285]

>>10575248
World building and atmosphere go a long way, and Generations doesn't have it.

[Anonymous No.10575291]

I think the most based thing to do would be to play the GameCube version and takes lots of screenshots of your fun gaming experience and share them here

[Op No.10575471]

>>10574454

Thank you very much. I'll try the PC version then. That's the best , right?

[Anonymous No.10575567]

>>10575471
With mods, yes.

[Anonymous No.10575614]

>>10572808
Pc port is fine. The Dreamcast version has a few visual differences that some find aesthetically better, and it’s arguably less buggy by being locked to 30fps. The PC version can be modded to be the best version, and on its own it’s perfectly fine.

[Anonymous No.10576278]

>>10572808
1 easilly. I'm not sure if the PC version fixes the janky controlls and the awful turning I think it just fixes the graphics. Might as well just play how it was intended with the DC version.

[Anonymous No.10576312]

>>10572808
There was a time when Sonic was a widely respected franchise, this game was the exact moment that stopped being the case.

The only redeeming feature of this game is that Shadow isn't in it.

[Anonymous No.10576352]

>>10576312
>this game was the exact moment that stopped being the case
Unless you mean DX being a really bad port that most people played instead of the Dreamcast version (probably including you) then no, it was Shadow's game, Sonic 06, & Secret Rings coming out in a 15-month span that killed credibility. If anything that early 6th gen era with SA2 Battle & Heroes were when Sonic's second peak of popularity came after the initial western Genesis boom.

[Anonymous No.10576386]

>>10576352
I disagree, there's a very clear difference between the 90s when Sega and Sonic were meaningful competitors and the 2000s onwards, and not just because of them pulling out of hardware.

I don't actually mind SA1 that much, but anyone thinking it was a success like the Genesis games is living in an alternate reality.

[Anonymous No.10576389]

>>10572808
PC version has loads of mods and you make it look like the DC version. So, either that or DC.

[Anonymous No.10576395]

>>10576352
>>10576386
Why were Sega rushing Sonic games out the door?

[Anonymous No.10576421]

>>10576386
>anyone thinking it was a success like the Genesis games is living in an alternate reality
I wouldn't argue that at all, but it certainly wasn't the beginning of Sonic's downfall in the public perception. SA1 wasn't a success because SEGA as a whole lost 5th gen big time and didn't realistically have a chance with the Dreamcast unless a merger/buyout with MS went through. The idea that Sonic sucks really got prevalent in 05-07.

>>10576395
Sonic on Nintendo hardware sold crazy well for a while. Heroes was the best-selling 3D game in the franchise until Frontiers somehow. Dimps pumped out like 7 or 8 Sonic games for Nintendo handhelds on top of the Wii version of Unleashed. They weren't expensive to make but made profit, and that stayed true pretty much to today, hence why even the worst Sonic games are just roadbumps and not franchise-killers.

[Anonymous No.10576424]

>>10576312
I really dislike how 3D Sonic works and that mechanics where you press a button and Sonic goes flying straight to an enemy, no matter what direction the enemy is. Sometimes watching some gameplay fells like the game plays by itself.

[Anonymous No.10576428]

>>10576395
sonic 06 was rushed so they can make it for the nextgen console launch, i don't know about the rest.

[Anonymous No.10576431]

>>10575614
>The Dreamcast version has a few visual differences
>a few
There are so many that there's an entire website dedicated to the differences between the ports
https://dreamcastify.unreliable.network/

[Anonymous No.10576439]

>>10576428
06's team was also cut nearly in half to make Secret Rings due to there being no way an 06 Wii port was going to happen and SEGA not wanting to skip Nintendo after Sonic did so well on Gamecube.

[OP No.10576446]

and THIS IS WHY I HATE PC GAMING AND ANYTHING PC
Also
>SADX Mod Installer
is just graphic patches for autistic people so whatever
Anyway I do have an internet connection. This shit is annoying. I will just emulate the Dreamcast version.
I fucking KNEW this would not work.
I also do not know how to download anything from
>gamebanana
worst UI a website can have. That shit gives me eye cancer. Guess you need to register to download or need a special tool? It is weird.

[Anonymous No.10576450]

>>10576446

[Anonymous No.10576456]

>>10576446
Filtered

[Anonymous No.10576474]

>>10576424
There's also all the constant railroading, like how in basically every level we have to watch Sonic bounce off a whole bunch of bouncepads which then had to become a required feature for all future games for some reason.

[OP No.10576564]

>>10576450
>>10576456

Like clockwork as I have said. Fuck you all. I know you are trolling but the installer says I am offline while I am not. Maybe their servers are down or wtf do I know but YES I am able to click an
>install
button. There is not more I can do so yeh fuck you.

[Anonymous No.10576585]

>>10573097
So I have a DC with GDEMU. I booted it up for the first time last night and... I couldn't stand playing past rescuing Tails. The voice acting is so utterly atrocious and the camera can random decide not to turn in a run and fling you off the course.

[Anonymous No.10576610]

>>10575614
>and it’s arguably less buggy
It's not arguable, there is a list of well documented bugs that only exist in the DX port. Most of the infamous glitches (like falling through terrain on Emerald Coast) literally do not exist on the Dreamcast version.

Nearly every aspect of SA1 was broken by the DX port: the collision, the lighting, the timing in certain cutscenes.

The best version of this game is the PC version with Dreamcast Restoration mod. It's not arguable at all. It fixes 99.9% of the problems of the DX port, and also keeps all the DX additions (better Chao system, Mission Mode, etc). Plus you can also play all of the exclusive Dreamcast DLC with a simple mod.

[Anonymous No.10576627]

>>10576446
Literally retarded.
I too hate the long setup times on most PC games, but the SADX mod installer is literally just one click. I seriously don't know how you fucked that up.
Also downloading mods on GameBanana is also just one click.
I don't know how you can struggle this hard to use a computer.

[Anonymous No.10576654]

>>10576585
You're just bad. Imagine being an old grown ass man like you and being shit at a children's game. You should consider suicide buddy

[Anonymous No.10576660]

>>10576446
Use the offline installer

https://dcmods.unreliable.network/owncloud/data/PiKeyAr/files/Setup/offline/sadx_setup_full.zip

[Anonymous No.10576663]

>>10576654
You're right. If only I was better at the game to make the voice acting acceptable. If only I could predict the future to know when the camera won't turn and fling me. Skill issue desu.

[Anonymous No.10576670]

>>10576446
>>10576627
SADX Mod Installer was intended to the update to Sonic Adventure Deluxe for the PC that we should have had but never got.

This is done by reimplementing Dreamcast assets (levels, textures, object models, special effects and branding) in the PC version.

sadx-dc-lighting (Lantern Engine) implements the palette-based "Lantern" lighting engine from Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast that was gutted when Sega ported SA1 to GameCube.

[Anonymous No.10576721]

>>10576446
For any other retards who struggle to install a mod loader, I decided to do it right now as a test. I will admit, the SADX Mod Manager *used to* just be a one-click install when I installed it years ago, but it looks like development moved to a new program called "SA Mod Manager." So now its like a couple clicks (literally just pressing "yes" and "next" most of the time).
Here's the 5 step guide I created. And granted, the first two steps are literally "click a button and download a thing" so those don't count as real steps for any non-retards. And step 4 is just "upgrade to new mod manager program" which downloads the new program because I accidentally downloaded the old version. So if you know what you're doing, you could probably even skip that step and just do 1, 2, 5 for a simple 3 step process.

Any confusion is probably from there being multiple different (outdated) versions of the mod-loader program floating around on different mirrors on the internet. But even still, as you can see in step 4, the most popular Google search result leads to an installer program literally holds your hand and walks you through the upgrade process anyway.

[Anonymous No.10576882]

>>10573097
SA1 is not really that great. It's an okay game and it features some cool things, was influential in the series for sure, but SA2B is the better game.
I don't care about the other Anon's bullshit over voice acting, the shit's fine and the game is overall an okay experience with some tedium here and there, but overall good. I just don't think it's a masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.10576927]

>>10572808
1. install dreamcast conversion mod for steam version
its literally that simple. if you're a weeb theres also a retranslation patch that fixes the localization.

[Anonymous No.10577057]

>>10576585
Eggman's voice actor is great though. A huge cut above the rest, despite that some of his lines sound like they were recorded in a bathroom.

[Anonymous No.10577175]

>>10576585
play in japanese

[Anonymous No.10577279]

>>10576721
ive been using the old sa1 and 2 mod managers this whole time i didnt even know new ones were made

[Anonymous No.10577293]

>>10577279
Thank the Sonic fans, they fix it so Sega doesn't have to.

[OP No.10578298]

>>10576721
>For any other retards who struggle to install a mod loader

Struggle. i click on install and it says
>hnurr durr no internert connection
how the fuck is that even my fault?

[Anonymous No.10578320]

>>10572808
Dreamcast, as God intended.

[OP No.10579052]

>>10578320

I am currently playing the Dreamcast version.
Thanks to
>>10574454

but also thanks to the other anon for helping with the PC version.

Anyway I want to give my opinions on this game. At first I thought that maybe I should make a new thread about just talking about this game in general but oh well

I remember how I played it for a few minutes in a store who had a kiosk set up when the game came out but I just found it to be super weird and played Parapper the Rapper and DK64 instead.

Playing it NOW so many years later I can finally see the charm and it's appeal. I can see that this game was meant to be something BIG and that they had so many good ambitions and intentions.

I am also impressed how "modern" this game seems and almost as if Sonic Adventure invented future games to come but maybe I am stretching here. After all it is a movie game, with a shitload of cut scenes and you walk around and another cut scene but it also seems kinda "open world" from back in the day stand point like right after you find Tails you do NOT have to directly go to Tails, you can wander around, that is really interesting.

Still, even today, i think it is fucking weird to see Sonic around normal human beings. YES YES I know Robotnic and shit but back in my day Sonic was from some alien planet called Mebius or however you spell that and now he is living on earth among human beings? I mean there are still all those talking animals but also normal humans???? It is fucking weird. As weird as cartoony Mario walking around in New York (which is not NY but DK City or whatever) in Mario Odyssee and you see all those other "normal" human beings there. So weird.
So what is the explanation for Sonic being there?

I love those cloud backgrounds, so much soul and damn they put a lot of effort into MANY MANY great songs like the game is almost spamming you with music.
Do different language (talky) versions exist besides English and Japanese?

[Anonymous No.10579085]

>>10576721
>just download malware installer from a random site and then install malware with it bro
See this is why people prefer emulation

[Anonymous No.10580537]

>>10578298
Because you're retarded and clicked the wrong link. I know exactly what you did wrong, because I JUST downloaded it and did it right. You didn't read what you clicked on, and downloaded an outdated installer that says "web version" which requires an Internet connection. You should have downloaded the "offline" version.

>Grabs yellow bottle labeled "Mustard"
>Sprays it all over his french fries
>Continues to spray the mustard all over his own pants
>"RRREEEEEE THIS ISNT KETCHUP, HOW WAS IT MY FAULT!?!?"

Do you also need an adult to tie your shoes for you?

[Anonymous No.10580548]

>>10579085
>See this is why people prefer emulation
This is a fucking retarded take. Do you actually believe this little quip you made was an intelligent comment?
An installer is just an executable binary file (on Windows, EXE for short). Emulators are also executables binary files. Either one has an equal chance of containing malware, you dumbass. You are not immune from malware by downloading emulators and ROMs.
In both situations, you need to engage with the mod/emulator community and check the general reputability of the creators of the software you download. Really, you should do this with any software you download.

Besides that, it's not hard to run a virus scan on a file before running it (you're retarded if you aren't doing this already). If you're extra paranoid, you can setup a firewall around the EXE so it can't access the Internet. And if you're extra extra paranoid, you can set up a Virtual Machine to test the program first.

Basic computer knowledge and safety practices are not hard. We've had computers for several decades now, you have no excuse for being ignorant.

[Anonymous No.10580963]

>>10579085
>implying emulation doesn't also have viruses

[Anonymous No.10580978]

>>10579085
>everything is malware
you need to be under 60 to post on this site

[Anonymous No.10580982]

Girl here! I like the GameCube version.

[Anonymous No.10581001]

Man here, I play it on dreamcast.