/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10566819]

Are you fucking kidding me?

[Anonymous No.10566882]

only ESLs get stuck here

[Anonymous No.10566912]

>>10566882
Thanks for you inane contribution to the thread.

[Anonymous No.10566921]

hey OP you're a retard. would you mind sharing the game? i hate these kind of threads. not even in the filename ffs

[Anonymous No.10566925]

>>10566921
Not OP, but that's Silent Hill.

[Anonymous No.10566928]

>>10566925
thanks. never played overhyped trash so can't help

[Anonymous No.10566940]

>>10566921
>sharing the game
that's piracy

[Anonymous No.10566941]

I am brazilian and I got it right the first time I tried, just a reminder that Brazil is 100% white

[Anonymous No.10566949]

play an actual adventure game and this puzzle will seem extremely reasonable.

[Anonymous No.10566952]

>>10566819
I knew it was about the bird's colors but I missed the silent part.

[Anonymous No.10567008]

>>10566928
>overhyped trash
Damn, don't cut yourself on that edge on your way out.

[Anonymous No.10567172]

>white wings flailing

[Anonymous No.10567404]

>>10566819
Do people actually get filtered by this puzzle? The solution is right there in the poem.

[Anonymous No.10567539]

>>10566819
I remember the solution to this puzzle hitting me while eating dinner. It was pancakes. Good times.

[Anonymous No.10567561]

>>10567404
some people cant help but be retarded,i once saw someone say that you needed musical theory knowledge to solve it.

[Anonymous No.10567570]

this puzzle is impossible

[Anonymous No.10567627]

>>10567404
to this day I don't get it so, yes

[Anonymous No.10567629]

>>10567404
>The solution is right there in the poem.
but what is the question?

[Anonymous No.10567630]

>>10566819
That one was good. Picrelated made me feel so stupid.

[Anonymous No.10567637]

>>10567630
Well, I'm already stupid to begin with.

[Anonymous No.10567682]

>>10567404
I couldn't even comprehend it. Literally had to look up some video because the solution in the guides i found was wrong

[Anonymous No.10567705]

>>10566921
If you don't know what it is, do you have anything of value to say?
>>10566928
Clearly not.

[Anonymous No.10568049]

>>10566819
This was a great puzzle. My IQ is high enough to solve it before it becomes frustrating, but low enough that it felt satisfying.

[Anonymous No.10568086]

>>10567637
>>10566819
Both good puzzles, they give a series of symbols and it's up to the player to contextualize their attributes to the provided mechanics

[Anonymous No.10568114]

Cryptic bullshit puzzle. Should have just given up but was fortunate to have gamefaqs back then.

[Anonymous No.10568126]

>>10566819
The answer is written down on paper. You're welcome!

[Anonymous No.10568142]

>>10566819
I actually love this puzzle. I consider it the single greatest puzzle in the history of horror games, if not all video games.

It intuitive, unlike so many point and click adventure games where the solution is to back track to a random place, pick up a seemingly unrelated item, and then drag the item over to the piano and watch some hijinks script out.

It isn't a mindless baby-tier ""puzzle"" like the ones in Resident Evil which are 90% matching keys to doors and jewels to statues (the video game equivalent of inserting the square block into the square hole).

And it doesn't go too far in the other direction requiring you to have a math degree like Riven (which I still respect).

It isn't a generic "video gamey" puzzle like all of the block puzzles in ocarina, which break ludonarrative Dissonance and don't make any attempt to merge gameplay with the themes and atmosphere of the story. It blends naturally into the world instead of standing out as nonsensical video game bullshit. It's easy to believe a classroom would have a piano and a poem about birds.

PS: Plebbit spacing isn't real, so don't even say it.

[Anonymous No.10568151]

>>10566928
>never played
>but i have really strong opinions about it
Shut up faggot

>>10567682
Bro come on... Birds... Piano keys... Telling you the order they're in...

[Anonymous No.10568152]

>>10568142
How do you feel about "guess the order, be punished if you're wrong" like the chests in jolly roger bay?

[Anonymous No.10568157]

>>10568114
Its not cryptic. This is the perfect puzzle. You're just a dumb brown ADD fag that doesn't want to take more than 5 minutes to find the solution.

[Anonymous No.10568160]

>>10568152
I hate that bullshit. I like puzzles that are clever, not arbitrary and random.

[Anonymous No.10568179]

>>10568160
What if I have 5 pillars arranged in a pentacle and say "draw a star from the frontmost pillar" and teleport you away if you do it wrong? Too easy?

[Anonymous No.10568202]

>>10568126
Nice game collection. How'd you solve the riddle?

[Anonymous No.10568231]

>>10566819
I was retarted and thought i had to play the mute keys instead of the normal keys just beside the mute keys
>>10567637
I felt stupid too because that puzzle presents itself as more complicated than it actually is

[Anonymous No.10568262]

>>10568202
NTA but I'll show my reasoning.
>push every key, note what they do (some don't make tones)
>Write order of each bird and what color they are
>Note which keys go to which birds
>Done
First greedy pelican = first white key
Furthest silent dove = last white key
Raven higher than dove = black key above last white key
Swan's peaceful spot = last remaining white key
Quick crow = last remaining black key

[Anonymous No.10568285]

>>10568202
I didn't. I found the answer online while printing out a walkthrough.

[Anonymous No.10568434]

>>10568262
Impressive.

>>10568285
That's a great idea.

[Anonymous No.10568679]

>>10568262
I see

[Anonymous No.10568685]

>>10568231
You do have to play the mute keys. The poem is called "Tale of Birds Without a Voice" or something like that.

[Anonymous No.10568785]

>>10566819
I figured it out without guides but still felt like it was bullshit. It's pointlessly vague and stops up first time players with no reward.

[Anonymous No.10568859]

>>10568202
I spent the best part of 3 months in the year 2002 to solve it. I was a retarded kid.

[Anonymous No.10568964]

>>10568086
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.10568970]

>>10566819
Silent Hill gameplay is flawed but this is easily one of the better parts about it. It gives actual riddles you gotta sit down and work out instead of just seing something like "Sometimes, darkness lights the way" written on a wall next to a lightswitch, and turning off the lights shows the exit.

Give me puzzles that require solving or don't give them to me at all

[Anonymous No.10569000]

>>10566819
I still don't get it.
I just don't.
What's weird is that even after watching vids I can't seem to grasp it.
I wonder why.
I have the same problem with mine sweeper as well now that I think about it.
For some reason it just doesn't connect in my brain.
What's even weirder is that the people who get it can't explain it.
They usually just insult you without explanation. Like they are part of a secret club and I am not allowed to enter.

[Anonymous No.10569017]

>>10566819
This is a puzzle that zoomers and manchildren living in their basements without any real-world experience could never solve.

There are actually people in this world that don't know anything about nature or music. They only know that sonic the hedgehog's eyes are one big lump and his arms are flesh-colored. Nauseating waste of life.

[Anonymous No.10569032]

>>10568785
The puzzle some hints to remove other possibilities but you cannot 1:1 translate every hint to every key you need to press, so you still need to bruteforce your way. Let's say that 20 million people played this game, then some of those who bruteforced their way got lucky and some don't. When I tried to solve it, I didn't realize that "birds without a voice" was a reference to "limit yourself to muted keys", what I thought was "you need to play the piano for those who cannot do it themselves" otherwise it would be pointless to do it in the first place, and every puzzle that involves an instrument expects you to play music, not to not play it, so I assumed the muted keys where traps.

Now you can have two different experiences, one like this anon who spent three months to solve a game which I guess it's ok back then when you could neither emulate nor acquire more games, I too spent a lot of time trying to beat Broken Sword. Or like the Dunning-Kruger around here, got luck bruteforcing the puzzle and pretend you were just more intelligent than the rest.

[Anonymous No.10569037]

>>10569032
>I didn't realize that "birds without a voice" was a reference to "limit yourself to muted keys"
>"My IQ was below 100 so I couldn't get the puzzle meant for people with average intelligence, it's unfair"

[Anonymous No.10569040]

>>10569037
Explain it then.

[Anonymous No.10569042]

>>10566921
>zoomer retard calling others retards
pottery

That said, the piano puzzle is extremely straightforward for anyone with an IQ > 100.
The zodiac puzzle on the other hand can suck dicks.

FINS
*clap*
ARE
*clap*
APPENDAGES
REEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.10569047]

>>10569040
The birds in the poem are all black or white. Piano keys are black and white. Some of the keys on the piano are muted "Birds without a voice" refers to the muted keys.

You need more?

[Anonymous No.10569063]

>>10569047
>Some of the keys on the piano are muted
What if I told you I never played Silent Hill but the thread intrigued me and I didn't realize some of the keys didn't make sound in-game.

[Anonymous No.10569070]

>>10569000
Bird names are used in music terminology.

[Anonymous No.10569074]

>>10569042
>*clap*

[Anonymous No.10569457]

>>10566819
It's a great logical puzzle.
It's not a very organic puzzle though.
(push these piano keys using hints from a poem to make a silver medallion drop from the wall)

Adventure games often struggle with balance between logical fun difficult puzzles and making the puzzles feel organic (puzzles that would make sense in the real world and aren't "game-y"). But horror games often get a free-pass from organic puzzles, since the MC is bat-shit crazy. So it actually makes sense that you have to enter his insane pattern-noticing schizo mindset.

[Anonymous No.10569680]

It's genuinely scary to think your average person struggles so much with something so incredibly simple. If you don't immediately pick up on the fact white birds = white keys, black birds = black keys you're genuinely a mong.
No wonder society is the way it is.

[Anonymous No.10569701]

>>10569680
So far player was expected to run around seeking keys and fight things so it's a very drastic shift. Also you don't have the poem hovering next to keys ingame and blood marks on keys only introduce confusion for no good reason.

[Anonymous No.10569732]

>>10569680
I wouldn't have picked up on it in a million years yet I dispute that I'm a mong. It's almost like people's thinking works differently.

Sorry to have scared you so much anon. On the plus side if you're so far ahead of others in an important thing I guess you can look forward to a very easy and pleasant life.

[Anonymous No.10569736]

>>10569457
Silent Hill runs on dream logic anyway. I still can't get over having to find a rock to bust open the face of a grandfather clock, despite having a fire axe and a handgun in my jacket pockets.

[Anonymous No.10569754]

>>10569701
lmao rofl kek lol hahah hehehe

[Anonymous No.10569769]

>>10569754
XD

[Anonymous No.10570319]

This one was simpler.

[Anonymous No.10570328]

>>10566819
SH3 had harder puzzles while SH2 was retard-proof. And maybe that's why it's so popular.

[Anonymous No.10570450]

The raven part is bullshit because it says higher, not further, than the dove

[Anonymous No.10570454]

>>10569736
Because you can go through the whole game without any of those weapons.

[Anonymous No.10570665]

>>10567172
Based pelican getting a bad rep but doesn't give af

[Anonymous No.10570693]

>>10570454
You can but
A) would you?
B) I did have them
C) there are many loose environment objects that can bust a 4 inch glass lens, if you couldn't do it with a solid punch. I'll just fetch the lid off this grimy toilet cistern BRB.

[Anonymous No.10570729]

>>10569680
the text doesn't show up while you are looking at the keys retard. if it did then yeah the association would be simple enough

[Anonymous No.10570818]

>>10569042
To be fair that's not the dev's fault, they editted it as they were told that the zodiac was too obscure for the average player to know well enough to be able to solve the puzzle so they had to cobble a new "puzzle" with as little editting as possible.

[Anonymous No.10570930]

>>10569736
lightbulb in can

[Anonymous No.10570935]

>>10568126
>power stone 2

Good taste

[Anonymous No.10571040]

>>10570935
Thanks

[Anonymous No.10571060]

>>10568262
Why is the cow so quick? How did you know the color of the cow? There are white cows too.

[Cuervo No.10571082]

I had to look up a guide to figure this one out. I overthought this, I wasn't sure if the birds with no voice were the keys that sounded normal or the ones that made a sound. Idk I'm a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10571109]

>>10566819
Solved this one in less than 20 minutes back in October after not playing this game for years. I felt proud.

[Anonymous No.10571295]

>>10569032
>When I tried to solve it, I didn't realize that "birds without a voice" was a reference to "limit yourself to muted keys"

How?
That's literally the first thing I connected.
You have a piano with - very noticeable - keys that don't make a sound. Then you see a poem called "Birds without a voice" near it . Does not take an Einstein to activate the neurons and notice a connection.

I think then I simply brute forced the rest after the pelican which is obviously the first white key.

[Anonymous No.10571783]

>>10567637
>thought this had something to do with zodiacs
>tried to recall which zodiac
>think it was chinese zodiac and trying to remember where the crab came in the race
>remember im retarded and there's no crab in chinese zodiac
>try to remember the other zodiac
>look it up because i forgot and try to match them to the list with logic like "Pisces is usually at the bottom in lists, so it much be 0 I guess"
>completely fail to understand the puzzle after 20 minutes
>look up the solution and feel like a retard

I'm usually good at puzzle solving but this one was just me being absolutely retarded in understanding it.

[Anonymous No.10571818]

>>10571060
Anon, could you re-read the post please?

[Anonymous No.10571825]

>>10570693
You're just getting into the weeds at this point, you walk around Resident Evil with guns and combat skills, but you still require keys to open doors. The game imposes restrictions on you for a reason.

[Anonymous No.10571854]

>>10571825
The thing is that RE makes it less jarring. I can kind of understand a door being hard enough to be an obstacle. Silent Hill has obstacles that look trivial (clock glass, waist high walls, etc) and sometimes just weird logic in general (piano puzzle knocks something off a wall but you could just have taken it).
I can't put a finger on why, because they're not that different, but RE doesn't irk me the same way.

[Anonymous No.10571873]

My first time playing I spent a lot longer on this puzzle after the piano. When I replay it I can get through them both pretty quickly but still takes me a little longer to do the valve puzzle.

[Anonymous No.10572206]

>>10566819 >>10568142
You can practice this very same puzzle here, OP.
> https://pianopuzzle.vercel.app

I find it quite amusing to witness people's first time reaction with it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SXCNsApgEg&t=671

[Anonymous No.10572235]

>>10568785
The reward is progressing in the game.
Derp

[Anonymous No.10572492]

>>10571873
You just keep turning both valves until there's an opening. If you really need to you can just make a note of how many turns it takes on one valve to reach a side with no bars.

[Anonymous No.10572514]

>>10571060
Don't have a cow, man

[Anonymous No.10572957]

>>10566819
It's a clever puzzle but I knew nothing about pianos, so I had no idea there were "mute" keys. Had to look up a guide because of that, but I was on the right track somewhat.

[Anonymous No.10572986]

>>10571783
Nah, it's just retarded logic.
But where I really learned to not overthink SH riddles was in 2 in the hospital.
You see, in my language's version the hint was mistranslated, so I spent an hour or so trying out all kinds of mathematical shit and series and number magic until I noticed that in the background it was written in english, where the hint suddenly made sense and it took me like 15 seconds to figure it out.
What did I learn? SH riddles are made for fucking kids who don't care about math, so if the method you are using can't be known by a toddler you're overthinking.

[Anonymous No.10574591]

>>10572957
>so I had no idea there were "mute" keys.
There aren't though.

[Anonymous No.10575158]

>>10570818
>they editted it as they were told that the zodiac was too obscure for the average player to know well enough to be able to solve the puzzle
Sorry to be that guy but do you have a source? I did always find it was like they had to change the puzzle at last minute hence why fishes have 0 appendages (????) while libra has 2.

[Anonymous No.10575173]

>>10574591
Yes there is, some don't make tones and simply go "thok". Those are keys being muted by the puzzle mechanism.

[Anonymous No.10575458]

>>10571825
>>10571854

[Anonymous No.10575559]

This puzzles in this game were awesome. I got filtered by the zodiac puzzle nearer too the end and regret looking up a guide for that.
Silent Hill 2's puzzles never topped 1's for me so I don't understand why that one is considered the masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.10575580]

The school ambiance at night is permanently seared into my memory from when you read the hints for this puzzle.

[Anonymous No.10576404]

>>10575458
Was this drawn by alternative universe me?

[Anonymous No.10576779]

>>10568262
And of course you picked the silent keys because who would ever want to actually play a piano right? The sound is gay and the only fun thing is to tap the keys

[Anonymous No.10577708]

>>10576779
I did play it at first before realising there were seven tone keys and five mute ones; There's five birds described not seven. It makes sense when you consider the keys need to strike some other puzzle mechanism which wouldn't sound like piano strings.

[Anonymous No.10577925]

>>10575580
Same. Also washer noise music from the right 2F wing and the yard.

[Anonymous No.10578473]

>>10566819
I didn't know even 50% words of this poetry when I played it first but it was obvious to me what to do. What's the problem, dear native speakers? Zodiak riddle is what stopped me because it was so stupid so I wouldn't believe somebody could put something like this in a game

[Anonymous No.10579161]

>>10566819
That was fine compared to SH3 on hard.

[Anonymous No.10579191]

>>10569457
>(puzzles that would make sense in the real world and aren't "game-y")
when was the last time you had to do a puzzle in real life for any reason other than the fun of it.

[Anonymous No.10579242]

>>10572957
There aren't in a normal piano. But you press the keys in games and some of them clunk instead of making a musical note.

[Anonymous No.10579250]

>>10575458
If I did a remake, id make him try to break the glass and it not work, establishing that in the "other world" shit just doesn't work the way you want it to because it's a super natural place. Which is canon anyway but i guess id do a better job of having the character react to it.

[Anonymous No.10579257]

>>10579191
Like I said, you're interacting with stuff that fits the setting instead of just moving giant fucking blocks that are there for no reason.

[Anonymous No.10579465]

>>10578473
>dear native speakers
Japanese game.

[Anonymous No.10579553]

>>10579191
Getting through a locked door by stealing a key would be an organic puzzle that made sense, but it's not a very intellectually stimulating puzzle or very fun. Releasing a silver medallion from the wall by pushing the right piano keys is the opposite where it's a more challenging puzzle, but it doesn't make sense at all, and isn't even trying to make sense.

[Anonymous No.10579858]

>>10567629
>can you follow simple directions?

[Anonymous No.10579883]

>>10569000
>>10568262
it already had a perfect explanation in this thread.

[Anonymous No.10580447]

>>10569042
Arms and legs. Fish have neither. A scale has two arms.

[Anonymous No.10581483]

>>10566819
Wait, this was easy. I solved it by myself with no trouble every time I play this. What makes this hard to people?

[Anonymous No.10581561]

>>10581483
Have you seen the conversations here? Some anons are practically illiterate; Blame public school underfunding.

[Anonymous No.10581578]

>>10571060
Wrong cow puzzle

[Anonymous No.10581590]

>>10581483
Like other anon said, these fools couldn't count to ten on their fingers(and thumbs for you pedants). You expect them to extrapolate on an abstraction? They don't even know what that means.

[Anonymous No.10581821]

>>10581578
was this humanity's peak

[Anonymous No.10583627]

>>10581578
I'll always laugh at the controversy this comic panel created. The fact one handsaw-like tool caused countless people to bang their heads against the wall trying to figure out the others and "get the joke" - the joke being that cow tools would be indecipherable to humans - will never not be funny.

[Anonymous No.10583646]

>>10579191
doing taxes?