NetHack

[Anonymous No.10560465]

Anybody still play NetHack? I've been playing it a lot for the past few months, but mostly getting my ass kicked by stupid mistakes. For example, I just carelessly kicked this door and woke up practically the whole treasure zoo.

[Anonymous No.10560837]

NetHack is THE game that can take a literal lifetime to beat if you don't read any spoilers.

[Anonymous No.10560914]

I was always more of a Chip's Challenge kind of guy.

[Anonymous No.10561940]

>>10560837
I went in blind for a while, I started peeking once I kept getting filtered past the Oracle. Even with the wiki, it still is gonna kick your ass until you develop good habits and become absurdly paranoid.

[Anonymous No.10561947]

i've ascended valkyrie priest and wizard, thinking i want one more before i move on to variants or angband or whatever. i'm early game with a tourist right now but it's tough
>>10560914
kek

[Anonymous No.10561982]

>play NetHack once
>start with a kitten
>quit because I didn't want it to die
I love cats too much for this game.

[Anonymous No.10561990]

>>10560465
I really like NetHack. I have spoiled quite a few things but nothing too major. I looked up how strength, dual wielding, and transformation work. If I'm feeling confident I pick Healer or Archaeologist, but I mostly go for Valkyrie and try to really buff up and sacrifice a lot. Still haven't ascended.

[Anonymous No.10562010]

>>10560465
I try DCSS sometimes.
>>10561982
Same, switched to dcss immediately.

[Anonymous No.10562083]

>>10560465
Best game.

>>10560837
Even if you read spoilers, you will die.

[Anonymous No.10562292]

>>10561990
I like playing a Healer, named Peace, that is pacifist (just buffing my cat/dog) until I find a priest to load up on cheap holy protection. I still haven't ascended with this strategy, but I've made it to the Quest

[Anonymous No.10562604]

>>10562292
I remember taming pets then polymorphing them would often end up getting you a dragon pet that would wreck asshole

[Anonymous No.10562627]

>>10562604
I did that once and got a baluchitherium, saddled it up, and rode all the way to the Quest boss, who killed me.

[Anonymous No.10563093]

>>10562604
Out of every game I have played, this one has the best polymorph mechanics. Noita comes close, allowing you to turn into most any enemy, but restricts you from using wands or other player interactions with the world.

[Anonymous No.10563101]

>>10560465
Not lately, but yeah. It's still the best roguelike hands down and nothing compares. It's simply a classic. I'm a little bit worried about the latest developments going into version 3.7 because it seems they started doing some muh game design and changed quite a few things, but mostly it still looks fine. Vocal minority amrchair "game designers" ruined DCSS for example.

[Anonymous No.10563213]

>>10560465
>game called NetHack
>no Network
>no Hacking
>boring ass fantasy roguelike #25617

[Anonymous No.10563525]

>>10563213
shut up zoomer

[Anonymous No.10564428]

>>10563213
There's gridbugs and quantum mechanics. What more could you want?

[Anonymous No.10564454]

>>10563213
Nethack is basically Roguelike #1

[Anonymous No.10564665]

>>10563101
Well many people still prefer 3.4, on OpenBSD you can choose 3.4.3 or 3.6.

[Anonymous No.10564680]

>>10564454
no, that's Hack

[Anonymous No.10564683]

>>10564680
Same game really.

[Anonymous No.10565140]

>nethack
>predates the internet and hacking

[Anonymous No.10565937]

>NetHack
>can neither net fish nor hack up the fish you catch

[Anonymous No.10567131]

Favorite class? I like playing the Wizard the most, but after I ascended as that, I now usually play Healer or Priest. Sometimes Tourist when I'm feeling uncertain

[Anonymous No.10567745]

>>10561982
IIRC you can edit the config file to start without a pet.

[Anonymous No.10567747]

>>10563213
It's a version of Hack that is developed by a team that communicates and shares code over the Net.
You could have just read the fucking manual.

[Anonymous No.10568035]

>There is , but you cannot any more.

[Anonymous No.10568190]

>>10567131
Wizard was by far the most fun for me. Valkyrie was good too though, it's a simpler experience and the quest and artifacts were fun.

[Anonymous No.10570568]

It is kind of wild how you just eat corpses off the ground with no prep at all (unless you tin them)

[Anonymous No.10570979]

>>10560465
finally a game about going keto

[Anonymous No.10571104]

>>10561982
>>10562010
>>10567745
>play NetHack once
>start with a kitten
>press F to kill it
fuck pets

[Anonymous No.10571179]

>>10560465
I played it over 10 years ago, took me 6 months to ascend a Rogue, even completely spoiled from the wiki.
I’d still say it’s probably the best videogame I’ve ever played, or at least top 5.

[Anonymous No.10571182]

>>10563101
A lot of crawl changes were fine in a vacuum but having to relearn the meta if you don't play for 3 months is a bit insane

[Anonymous No.10571401]

>>10565140
>and hacking
no...

[Anonymous No.10571423]

Every time I get the urge to play I suddenly remember how boring the last half of the game is and shove it out of my head. Wish they would do something about Gehennom instead of adding crap like orcish town.

[Anonymous No.10571445]

>>10571423
They made it so Elbereth no longer works down there

[Anonymous No.10571626]

>>10571423
Yeah, Nethack could really use some attention from an actual talented game designer. Things like boring mazes and summoning storms clogging up the map are really basic problems that should have been fixed long ago. But instead the "devs" would rather spend their time nerfing the one thing that makes the game's BS tolerable (Elbereth) which just goes to show that they're totally committed to going in the wrong direction with the project.

[Anonymous No.10571815]

https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_3.7.0#Significant_changes
What do we think of this stuff?

[Anonymous No.10571856]

>>10571401
well, it predates hacking and coughing after you've eaten a Tide pod on a dare

[Anonymous No.10572242]

>>10571626
Just drop a Scroll of Scare Monster on the ground, you puss

[Anonymous No.10572306]

>>10571815
>themed rooms
Looks fun. Will certainly add more flavor to the usual rectangular layouts
>New amulets
Fuckin' sweet
>New enemies
Genetic engineers look neat, but new dragons are ironically lackluster
>Amnesia nerf
I hated amnesia something fierce, although the original effect made perfect sense
>Unihorn nerf
A fair trade off for the former. Potions of stat restoration are more useful
>Mysterious force tapering
Perfect fix
>peaceful displacement
This is fantastic, although I disagree with disabling displacing them into traps. Even just adding a warning would be better
>Scroll of Scare Monster nerf
Looks like they're taking the name more literally. I think it's lame, but I get it
>Demon lord no-teleport change
Amazing change
>Bag of Holding explosion change
Another amazing change
>Monsters can now into containers
Big game changer. Will have to habitually load my chests with rocks and locks from now on.
>Summon Nasties nerf
Reasonable change
>Jubilex buff
Minor change, but reasonable
>Wand of Undead Turning buff (against you)
Hilarious. I love this one
>Killer Bees eating royal jelly to become queens in absence of one
Genius
>Rubbing royal jelly on eggs
Neat addition
>Peaceful Demon Lords becoming hostile when wielding Demonbane
Surprised this wasn't already the case
>Crystal ball buff
Very good change
>Hezrou stinky buff
Imagine the smell
>Candle buff
You too can wander the mines with a whole birthday cake (cake not included)
>Pets hesitant to eat polymorphing food
Reasonable
>Spellbooks can be applied to determine wear
Nice QoL
>Rare enlightenment from drinking LSD
Fuckin' sweet
>Shrieker can summon baby worms if too early for whole worm to be found
Reasonable
>Reading scroll of light while confused now summons tame, cancelled lights
Pretty funny
>Blessed scroll of teleportation lets you control teleport
Very good fix
>Wet towel buff
Don't forget to bring a towel
>Can't two-weapon launchers
Fuckin' lame
>anti-magic field buff
Now that's an interesting one

[Anonymous No.10572310]

>>10560465
Well go fuck em up, pussy

[Anonymous No.10572313]

>>10572310
I managed to kill the entire room (at least all the hostile ones). Got my anus scorched by a pyrolisk a few floors down.

[Anonymous No.10572325]

I think it's lame that I can't play as a Dwarf/Gnome Priest. It seems like an unreasonable restriction.

[Anonymous No.10572671]

>>10563213
Oh boo hoo it wasn't bladerunner dystopia slop #577855

[Anonymous No.10573984]

>game references 4chan

[Anonymous No.10574235]

Been trying out the mobile port since my computer psu is on the fritz and it works about as well as one could expect: clunky but doable. Keep dying of food poisoning though lol. Also got mogged by a gnome lord

[Anonymous No.10574238]

>>10574235
Sorry for double posting, but anybody got any pro strats? This game is kinda daunting at first, but I can see an excellent game just beyond my current reach.

[Anonymous No.10574268]

>>10574238
Just browse nethackwiki.com extensively and learn as you go.

[Anonymous No.10574274]

i play nippon nethack cause it's funner, simpler, and not so much reading and item management.

[Anonymous No.10574324]

>>10574238
just beat your head against it without help until you stop feeling like you're learning new things every time you play, and then move on to Tales of Maj'Eyal

[Anonymous No.10574416]

>>10574238
Here are some of the basics:
1.Pick a simple class like Valkyrie or Samurai. They are strong classes that come with some armor, they're easy to use, and they aren't complex.
2. Your pet is very important. Protect your pet all the time. Your pet will level up and gain health if it kills enemies (you can check this stat using a stethoscope). This means it can save your ass in bad situations if you're smart. If your pet steps on an item like a weapon or armor, it is safe to use, which means it is not cursed and you can always unequip it. If your pet eats a corpse, it is also probably safe for you to eat. Also: You can use your pet to make a lot of money in shops. Your pet will go inside a store with you, pick something up, and then follow you outside. Make sure your pet drops the item outside. Pick it up and take it back to the store and sell it. Repeat this process several times until you're satisfied. Try to find spell books to sell because they can be worth a ton even if they're unidentified. You can also tame wild dogs and cats with tripe rations. Be careful not to leave your pet behind for too long, they can become wild.
3. If a group of enemies are chasing your ass, try to lead them down a corridor. That way they form a line and you can hit them first and manage them one at a time.
4. Always search instead of waiting. Searching means you could find a random door or trap and it raises your stats. Plus it uses a turn just like waiting, so if you need health and you're alone just keep searching until you have a good amount of health.
5. Don't be afraid to retreat. Run back the previous floor, gain health, and then go back down and kill your enemies.
6. Always carry some weapons you can throw. There are many enemies you don't want to get close to because they will steal an item (nymphs), lower your stats, rust your equipment, freeze you, or explode.
7. Find some armor, especially a helmet. You don't want your character to die from a falling rock trap.

[Anonymous No.10574495]

>>10572306
>Monsters can now into containers

>place chest in small room with one entrance and put all my loot in it
>lock it
>engrave Elbereth under it
>lock door
>cast invisibility on door
>push boulder in front of it
So what you're saying is that my paranoia will pay off now?

[Anonymous No.10574496]

>>10574274
>simpler
That's why I don't play them.

[Anonymous No.10574509]

>>10563213
got you senpai
https://palparepa.github.io/decker/

[Anonymous No.10574510]

>>10574235
>>10574238
If you want to eat a corpse, do it IMMEDIATELY after it dies or it will give you food poisoning. Don't equip things until you have a way to determine their blessing/curse status.

[Anonymous No.10574514]

>>10574509
Decker is super easy if you get the item that lets you print new hardware at the start and invest everything in "stealth" programs. Beat the game without a single battle.

[Anonymous No.10574602]

>>10573984
he could be any one of us

[Anonymous No.10574609]

>>10574416
How do I get my pet down a level?

[Anonymous No.10574615]

>>10574510
Also, kobolds are poisonous

[Anonymous No.10574629]

>>10574609
It has to be touching you when you go down or up.

[Anonymous No.10575098]

>>10574235
>>10574238
Here's a few tips:
>Only eat fresh corpses. If your pet won't eat a corpse, it's most likely rotten, poisonous, or not in their diet (Lichen and lizard corpses never rot)
>Your pet will avoid stepping on tiles with cursed objects. Use this trick before welding a weapon to your hand
>If you feed your pet a treat (tripe or meatballs for cats/dogs) right after it drops something, it'll be more likely to fetch things for you
>Kicking doors is good exercise, even if you don't break them
>You can pick a lock with a dagger
>Shop prices can help partially identify objects
>Don't pick up any gray rocks unless you give them a kick first
>Avoid being burdened, especially when in combat
>Being stressed is good exercise, however
>If you're weak with hunger, sometimes you can fill your stomach with faith
>Only one potion works when applied, so this can be used to identify it

[Anonymous No.10575107]

>>10574495
Elbereth doesn't do shit if you aren't standing on the square. A scroll of scare monster will do more to ease your paranoia, especially since dwarves tend to make their own doors

[Anonymous No.10575110]

>>10574615
I like to wear an apron to make my stomach stronger

[Anonymous No.10575785]

>you kick a sink

[Anonymous No.10575802]

[Anonymous No.10577557]

[Anonymous No.10578136]

*hacks have forever ruined all other games where you can't eat your enemies to gain intrinsics for me.

[Anonymous No.10579252]

>>10563101
Uhh, I've played NH since I was a teen but haven't touched it now for 5+ years. I think last time I properly played it was in 2005 or something.
What is happening with the 3.7?
To be honest the game has been in a stagnated state for over a decade now.

[Anonymous No.10579471]

>>10562083
>Even if you read spoilers, you will die
no shit it's a rogue clone

[Anonymous No.10579624]

>>10560837
It's not meant to be played without spoilers and I don't think anyone has ever beaten it without spoiling themselves.

[Anonymous No.10579768]

>>10560465
I vaguely recall playing Nethack as a kid. I'd usually just play as an archaeologist and just go tunnelling around at random with my pickaxe. Then I just kinda forgot about it.

Then at university a friend introduced me to ADOM, and all the memories came crashing back.
Every few years or so I'll fire ADOM up again and give it another go. After more than twenty years of half-assed attempts, I've just accepted that I'll probably never beat it.

[Anonymous No.10580749]

>>10574274
Ah yes. Mystery Dungeon.

[Anonymous No.10581346]

>>10574274
Nice pokemon knockoff

[Anonymous No.10581379]

>>10574274
It's not even nethack at that point. It's just a dumbed down version with kiddie sprites. The imagination aspect of nethack and the amount of choices is a huge part of what makes it good. You take away the imagination and the context to supply your brain with information for imagining and it's just fucking like everything else. Every person imagines a different dungeon aesthetics, character, enemies, etc... now you can't do that because they are pre imagined artworks, thus cutting off a huge aspect of what makes ASCII roguelike so magical. Well at least for me.

[Anonymous No.10581381]

>>10577557
Kek

[Anonymous No.10581780]

>>10581379
My preferred way to play nethack is whatever I want. If I want it to have a certain aesthetic, then I can totally choose to do so.
>BUT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TELETYPE GRAPHICS!
Why are you so angry about how other people play a customizable game, anon? It's not like they're forcing it on you.