NiGHTS into Dreams

[Anonymous No.10500589]

I've tried the game out on PC recently because I found it in my library and I don't remember buying it. I am enjoying it a lot and soon will finish it, but because I have no frame of reference I would like to see anons' opinions on PC version currently available on Steam and if it's worse or better than the original Saturn version. Obviously I use Saturn mode, I consistently perform worse with HD graphics somehow.

[Anonymous No.10500598]

The PC port is based on the PS2 port, made by chinese programmers.
The Saturn version is still the best one. Kind of a similar situation with Sonic CD where the best version is the original Sega CD one.
In the case of NiGHTS, the PS2/PC version has inaccurate controls.

[Anonymous No.10500710]

Always play original. I recommend Medafen and a good analog controller.

[Anonymous No.10500750]

>>10500598
>In the case of NiGHTS, the PS2/PC version has inaccurate controls.
I know they patched the controls for the Xbox360 version but I don't know if they did the same for the PC version.

[Anonymous No.10500759]

>>10500750
There's a mod https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Nights_into_Dreams#Input_Mod

[Anonymous No.10500798]

>>10500589
>I consistently perform worse with HD graphics somehow.
Try playing at a 4:3 resolution as I find the widescreen mode too zoomed in. While you get to see more at the sides you seem to lose some verticality.

[Anonymous No.10501014]

>>10500750
>>10500759
I had the impression something was off. Thanks anons.

[Anonymous No.10502476]

>>10500589
sega gave it away for free at one point

[Anonymous No.10502510]

Here you can all thank me later, how to get NIGHTS into Dreams for free on steam (legally):
1)Have your steam account signed into your web browser already
2)Go to this link (webpage from sega's 60th anniv when they gave it away)
https://www.sega60th.com/register
3)Register (apparently you can put in any email you want because it doesn't verify)
4)Give it the permissions it asks for on steam
5)It should bug out and go to a url that starts with this: "localhost:3000/register"
6)Replace "localhost:3000" with "https://www.sega60th.com/"
7)Click the button on that webpage to finish registering
8)The game should be in your steam library at this point

ENJOY ANONS!

[Anonymous No.10502512]

>>10502510
This works as of today btw because I just did this lol.

[Anonymous No.10502513]

>>10502510
i wish i wouldve known that before i bought it on sale, oh well

[Anonymous No.10502514]

>>10502513
kek I almost bought it too because I thought this didn't work anymore, but then I found a reddit post and sorted by new and found the workaround.

[Anonymous No.10502517]

You fags think that new retrobit controller will be any good for this? I've got pick up something anyways because I don't have any analog usb controllers.

[Anonymous No.10502545]

I have the standard retrobit sega saturn usb controller w/o the analog sticks, was the original saturn controller alright for this?

[Anonymous No.10502595]

>>10502545
it was sold with the 3d pad iirc so it probably will be a worse experience. but it shouldnt be unplayable.

[Anonymous No.10503052]

I just realized I can use my joycons with my pc, so I'm going that route.

[Anonymous No.10503094]

There's nothing wrong with the PC version that can't be fixed with mods (aside from a bug on certain graphics cards that slows the game down to a halt any time you get the powerup). The bigger issue is that the game's movement system was designed with the Saturn 3D Controller in mind, so it doesn't feel quite right on anything else.

[Anonymous No.10503106]

>>10502510
It worked, thanks Anon. And yeah, you can just use any email, I personally used a throwaway from https://temp-mail.org

[Anonymous No.10503124]

>>10500598
The Windows 95 version of Sonic CD had cleaner FMV cutscenes, but iirc the SEGA CD one does have faster load times. I've not played the modern ports

>>10502510
Thank you for this anon

[Anonymous No.10503134]

>>10502510
Is there a similar trick for SEGA Bass Fishing they were giving away for free some time ago? Missed the window.

[Anonymous No.10503296]

>>10503134
Idk, can you give me more details? This was for segas 60th so not that long ago.

[Anonymous No.10503539]

I've finished the game, well, obviously
>finished
only a sense that I completed all levels, maybe I'll try to go for all A ranks one day, very cool game, I genuinely want to try to play as intended as this anon pointed out >>10503094 it definitely sometimes felt like I am struggling with controls.

[Anonymous No.10503561]

>>10503539
Also, actually, fuck it, I'll ask it here, I can't find information on how many points you are supposed to have for each lap to get A-rank, does anyone know approximate amount of points? That'd help out a lot honestly.

[Anonymous No.10503643]

>>10500589
Idk if "saturn mode" fixes this but the one time I pirated the steam version and gave it a go it was really jarring immediately noticing there's many parts where you see more of the level than you're supposed to like often catching in the background that purple glowie shit that limits the level on foot. Save for rare ocasions where you catch a very brief glimpse, you don't ever see it in the original when you're in flight mode.

Also the backgrounds have definitely been tampered with and stretched. For example pic related, that tacked on green lake(?)/grass(?) you see during this section in the remake doesn't exist at all in the original.

This sort of aesthetic fuckery is enough for me to dismiss the whole thing when the original is perfectly playable as is.

[Anonymous No.10503646]

>>10503539
>>10503561
For Claris I got
Spring valley
course1: 27170, course2: 20530, course3: 39610, course4: 23160
Mystic forest
course1: 64080, course2: 23390, course3: 77190, course4: 20140
Soft museum
course1: 61840, course2: 17620, course3: 27560, course4: 19600
Twin seeds
course1: 12690, course2: 17150, course3: 16240, course4: 11380sw

[Anonymous No.10503657]

>>10503646
With Elliot I got
Splash garden
course1: 51660, course2: 29240, course3: 34530, course4: 19280
Frozen bell
course1: 49480, course2: 59840, course3: 21750, course4: 21530
Stick canyon
course1: 48780, course2: 33700, course3: 29880, course4: 16940
Twin seeds
course1: 13800, course2: 16840, course3: 14000, course4: 11820
hope this helps

[Anonymous No.10503690]

>>10500589
I bought a sega Saturn for games like this just to find out it’s meant to be played with some obscure 3D stick controller
FML

[Anonymous No.10503807]

>>10500589
Bought a sega Saturn controller for games like this only to find out Nights is meant to be played with a stick…

[Anonymous No.10503816]

>>10502514
>I found a reddit post
Go back

[Anonymous No.10503872]

>>10503816
crymoar nigger I gave you the info on how to get a free vidya.

[Anonymous No.10504363]

>>10503643
>Also the backgrounds have definitely been tampered with and stretched. For example pic related, that tacked on green lake(?)/grass(?) you see during this section in the remake doesn't exist at all in the original.
What happened is that they made the backgrounds into skyboxes in the remake, versus the flat image in the original. The lake is an additional part of the background that covers the bottom of the skybox, but it's jarring for a level that's supposed to be a desert.

[Anonymous No.10504369]

>>10503807
You got the wrong Saturn controller.

[Anonymous No.10504667]

Christmas Nights came out exactly today (December 12) in 1996

[Anonymous No.10505040]

No 3d graphics bsery, just pure nights gameplay condensed into its final form.

[Anonymous No.10505051]

>>10505040
>final form

[Anonymous No.10505054]

>>10505051
>waggle

[Anonymous No.10505057]

>>10505040
>>10505051
big yikes to both you

[Anonymous No.10505472]

>Loved NiGHTS as a kid.
>Try to revisit it now.
>Grab the PS2 version.
>No X-Mas NiGHTS, feels bad.
>Playing the 1st level with Elliot.
>Yup. This is what I remember.
>Suddenly dawns on me that I have no idea what the fucking point of the game is. No idea what the objective is. No idea what the orbs/stars/rings do.
>Realize that I probably never beat it as a kid and probably was just hypnotized by the music and flashy colors.

[Anonymous No.10505532]

>>10500710
>Always play original
>suggests emulating
Lol, lmao

[Anonymous No.10505557]

>>10503296
NTA, but I made this thread a while back about what he's talking about here: >>/vr/thread/10089496

and I also forgot to redeem my code

[Anonymous No.10505815]

>>10502510
Thank you, anon! Merry Christmas(NiGHTS!)

[Anonymous No.10505973]

>>10500589
yeah PC is a downgrade in some ways. Mainly the Christmas NiGHTS part of it missing content, but it's a fine enough port if you don't wanna bother with emulation.

[Anonymous No.10506252]

>>10503124
>The Windows 95 version of Sonic CD had cleaner FMV cutscenes
The original Sega CD cutscenes are full of soul, though.
We already have HD versions of that opening, anyway. There's also a cleaner version on Sonic Jam.
>but iirc the SEGA CD one does have faster load times
I'm not sure about that, but the PC port does have extra loading screens (and every time you time travel, very annoying)

[Anonymous No.10507302]

HE'S FUCKING BALLING

[Anonymous No.10507407]

Can someone patch Saturn extras into the PC game? Like the 2P mode or the stage where you play as Sonic and the boss is replaced with Eggman?

[Anonymous No.10507523]

>>10507407
Why on earth would you want that when you can just play the original?

[Anonymous No.10507543]

>>10500598
>The PC port is based on the PS2 port, made by chinese programmers.

who spent two years reverse engineering the original code with an actual Saturn devkit, and making sure it performs 1:1 to the original.

[Anonymous No.10508018]

>>10507543
and they still failed ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

even if this kind of liberties >>10503643 that make the game look undeniably worse wasn't enough, it still doesn't control as well as it should so how about we stop promoting inferior ports

[Anonymous No.10508584]

nights into farts

[Anonymous No.10508954]

>>10503134
>>10503134
I put this url in the Wayback Machine and it seems to work (it sent me an email confirmation of the code), give it a try: https://games.sega.com/bassfishing/

[Anonymous No.10509290]

shiit any other good sega freebies?

[Anonymous No.10509323]

>>10508954
Can you be more specific what capture did you use?

[Anonymous No.10509353]

>>10507523
I can't. Saturn emulation is ass.

[Anonymous No.10509725]

>>10508584
last weekend I slept with a girl who farted a lot during sex lmao, she was like "sorry!" everytime.

[Anonymous No.10509762]

>>10503816
>looking for fix to get old game working
>go on google
>find one
>about to click on it
>reddit.com
>quickly yank the mouse away before i can click on it
crisis averted. goddamn fucking redditors. guess im not ever playing this game ever again!

[Anonymous No.10509828]

What am I supposed to do here? It's only the first boss and I already am starting to hate this game. This is so stupid.

[Anonymous No.10509856]

>>10509828
filtered

[Anonymous No.10509893]

>>10500589
Wii game is mostly soulless. I avoided it for the long time because it looked so bland and I heard many bad thing about it, so I only started playing it recently. Similar situation with Sonic 2006 which I avoided too. But in the end I enjoyed STH2006 quite a bit, but Wii Nights is not touching my kokoro. Some nice moments including hub world theme and that's it.

But I do love original game, including its ports. I usually play through Christmas Nights on Steam every Christmas.

[Anonymous No.10509906]

>>10509856
No. You liars kept saying that Nights, Ristar, Sonic for the Game Gear and whatelse were better games than Sonic for the Mega Drive. What I found out was that all of these Sonic Team games are janky, frustrating, cryptic messes being blindly heralded by masochistic SEGA autists. In the end, as sad as it is to say, Sonic is still the best thing Sonic Team ever came up with. God, if only they were more like Nintendo, then maybe their lackluster games wouldn't bomb so hard all the time in Japan.

At least know your place before you astroturf these games in every thread.

[Anonymous No.10509909]

>>10509828
You mean the dragon? Just grab it's big chin from the front and keep throwing him as it's tail shrinks, there's plenty of time

The paraloop thing is only for advanced players if you do it directly on its tail in the right spot without getting hurt you can pretty much end the battle instantly but for a newbie is a recipe for disaster

[Anonymous No.10509916]

>>10509906
Okay. I'm just gonna say that I don't even really hate these games that much, it's just that they are way overrated and it made me very dissapointed. I'm gonna keep at it because at least the OST in this game is very nice.

>>10509909
Really? I did that a lot the first time and I ended up just timing out. I don't know what I'm doing wrong, but I appreciate the help.

[Anonymous No.10509934]

>>10509916
The only way I can see you run out of time is if you keep getting hurt which does sap a lot of seconds. after he gets thrown you must allow its face to regrow completely before trying to grab it otherwise it hurts you

[Anonymous No.10510106]

>>10509906
Sonic team didn’t make classic sonic games

[Anonymous No.10510179]

Okay, I'm gonna get a guide for these bosses. Would it hurt to at least put the hint BEFORE the boss fight. Nevermind that, these fights make no goddamn sense.

[Anonymous No.10510202]

>>10510179
>pointingandlaughing.jpeg

[Anonymous No.10510207]

>>10510179
>>10509828
were these in the full game or only the Sampler?

[Anonymous No.10510220]

>>10510207
they show up after the boss battle when you lose to the boss or get really shitty timings, you probably don't remember because who even loses to these piss easy bosses

[Anonymous No.10510231]

>>10510220
It's the usual Sonic Team tradition, you just have to know beforehand the trick that beats the boss easy peezy. If you're going in blind, well guess what, you're gonna fucking die over and over again until you get it or get lucky.

[Anonymous No.10510247]

>>10510231
It's called trial and error and has been a fundamental part of videogames since their inception

[Anonymous No.10510341]

>>10510247
Meanwhile, I have no such troubles with the bosses in Magical Pop'n. Bosses should test how skilled you are at the game thus far, not be random gimmicks that must be defeated in a specific way. This thing where you have to throw youself at a boss until you find out how to work with the gimmick has gotten old to me.

[Anonymous No.10510490]

Like, this boss has a tail and only thing you can do in this game is paraloop. And you send things to void by paralooping. Defeated him first try. You must be retarded.

[Anonymous No.10510501]

>>10510106
>S-E-E-G-A-AH
>Sonic Team presents
>SONIC the hedgehog sega (c)SEGA 1991

[Anonymous No.10510513]

>>10510490
>and only thing you can do in this game is paraloop. And you send things to void by paralooping.
Speak no further. I can already tell you never played this game. You only ever use a "paraloop" to get blue orbs in a bundle in this game.

[Anonymous No.10510519]

>>10500589
You dont even own a sega saturn.. You havent played nights.

[Anonymous No.10510631]

>>10510341
First and foremost Nights is about maneuverability and timing which the bosses do obviously test. Through the levels there are little enemies that make you waste time, against most if you bump into without charging it locks you into grabbing them until you throw them. This also happens against those secret boxes of blue chips - you lock in grabbing then dash to break them. This is a very baseline mechanic that permeates the entire game and the basic way enemies are dispatched so naturally it carries over into the bosses
The other slightly more advanced ways you can dispatch enemies in the levels is by looping around them or just dashing

The Dragon is literally the only interactable element in the stage, if you try the tail you get hurt. If you try the face it locks the grab and you throw it just like the enemies you bumped into during the stage. It breaks and screams and if you do it a few times you'll notice the tail gets smaller. Is that really not enough feedback to know youre doing something right and should keep at it?
With the cat there are 2 elements to the stage: the cat and the mice. the first natural instict may be to go for the cat but you soon find you can't reach it. as you do it you realize theres 2 states to the mice - static and detonating. you have a go at the static ones, try a grab or dash and nothing happens so you go to the detonating ones and realize you can dash them. Since there's a very finite amount it's probably a good idea to work on dispatching them especially since if you dont they detonate and hurt you

Dragon - grab and throw(you can loop the tail if you know what youre doing)
Cat - dash the mice until you can grab and throw the cat
Reala - grab and dash fails so you paraloop
Bunny - grab and throw
Pirana - use the fish to shoot you(this mechanic echoes those green things in the stages that also shoot you)
Joker - grab and throw
Final - grab and throw

its not mario64 where bowser has nothing to do with the game mechanics

[Anonymous No.10510652]

>>10508954
Thanks for the idea anon, but for me it only signed me up for a SEGA Forever newsletter and I didn't receive any codes.

[Anonymous No.10510786]

>>10510631
Yeah, the mice boss was challenging in a good way once you understand how the fight works. The problem is at the beggining, when you don't know how the fight works. Bosses don't even have a hit point UI, so it's not easy to tell if you're progressing or not. Also, I believe that you need to conserve some dash energy before the mice boss or you'll be helpless, which sucks. These boss fights would be saved if only the hints were clearer, ah well.

At least Bowser isn't a timed fight iirc, you can experiment as much as you want there.

[Anonymous No.10511738]

There are people who think you're supposed to finish the level as fast as possible

[Anonymous No.10512204]

I wish there was a way to turn off all the score stuff always cluttering up the screen. I understand why they are there, after all it's an arcade-like game but sometimes I would like to just be able to enjoy the aesthetics without worrying about any of that.

[Anonymous No.10512467]

>>10504667

Remember playing the shit out of this in 1997 when I received a Sega Saturn for Xmas, along with Panzer Dragoon Zwei.

[Anonymous No.10513817]

videogames can't be ar-

[Anonymous No.10514448]

>>10509893
Where is christmas nights for it?

[Anonymous No.10514449]

Nights should have been out on PSX. Retarded sega

[Anonymous No.10514463]

>>10514449
>A Sonic game should have been out on PSX.
Retarded anon

[Anonymous No.10514529]

>>10514463
I'm just saying since the Saturn and console company died. Not porting their cool fir as t party stuff was a mistake. If I was im charge of sega I'd put space harrier burning rangers and nights on everything

[Anonymous No.10515538]

>>10514529
Well it did get a PS2 remake

[Anonymous No.10516176]

The dedicated saturn controller was great

[Anonymous No.10516709]

The boss in Soft Museum is so confusing. I wasn't sure if I had to hit him, hit the cloak or hit him without the cloak. And the hint was useless as per usual. How do I unlock the last two stages now?

[Anonymous No.10516726]

>>10516709
It's possible to paraloop the cape destroying it so he can no longer throw cards making it much easier to deal with. That's what the hint was about.

To unlock the final you need at least a C score on all stages. It's the same stage twice btw, not 2 different ones, though they trigger 2 different ending cinematics

[Anonymous No.10516758]

>>10516726
Thanks. That's not too bad. The desert stage and the museum stage were the coolest ones so far.

[Anonymous No.10516769]

>>10514449
Well, you can play the PS2 port of it if you have a PSX. But it's not a good port.

[Anonymous No.10517101]

Finally bit the bullet and bought the controller. It's set to arrive next Tuesday, so hopefully I'll be playing Nights for the first time before Christmas.
And trying again to finish Baroque since the analog controller is compatible as far as I know.

[Anonymous No.10518050]

>>10517101
Gotta appreciate the commitment to a 30 minute game you might not even like

[Anonymous No.10518257]

>>10500589
saturn nights+christmas > modded hd pc port > ps2 > hd console ports

pc mods fix the hd lighting and add 60 fps which is awesome.
you miss out on sonic into dreams and 2 player versus, along with some menu nostalgia.

hd still has inaccuracies when it comes to gameplay however.
wall collisions are different
the floating ideya captures can be at abnormal heights
items have smaller hitboxes
nights is slower and his speed changing momentum isn't accurate
link timing is shorter and makes some scores harder
child chain speed jumping is gone
air brake has to be held, which alters brake loops
enemy ai has differences/bugs and can be in weird places

we really need a better port lol
and no, saturn mode is not saturn, its just reskinned hd

[Anonymous No.10518263]

>>10518257
>we really need a better port lol
its called emulation

[Anonymous No.10518880]

>>10518257
Oh wow, I really dodged a bullet there.

[Anonymous No.10518962]

>>10518050
What an amazingly retarded post. If this wasn't such a bot-like reply, I would've assumed you didn't even read my post.
If you have nothing of value to say about the topic on hand, I think it's better if you just don't post anything lest you get owned for being a retard.

[Anonymous No.10518998]

>>10509906
Dang, we really need a final solution for Sonic and Nintendo fans

[Anonymous No.10519043]

>>10500598
>best version is the original Sega CD one.
Why?

[Anonymous No.10520330]

>>10502510
I didn't know that was still going on. That's exactly how I got my copy years ago and I ended up loving the game.

[Anonymous No.10521850]

>>10518257
Hopefully one day the Saturn original gets decompiled as free/libre & open-source software (F/LOSS) & an enhanced source port to PC.

[Anonymous No.10522227]

>>10519043
NTA, but the 2011 remake made certain hazards harder for no reason and some time travelling spots don't work as well as they did in the original. The new physics don't mesh too well with some sections of the levels. Some of the game screens were made unskipabble for no reason. Overall, all the new stuff is cool, but I think the original is less frustrating. It also sucks that they didn't add a restart button to this game, this game needed it (even the NA version allows you to restart a level by pausing and pressing a button).