/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10476819]

Friends, what is best in life? Shadow mask, aperture grille, or slot mask?

[Anonymous No.10476845]

>>10476819
for a tv, i prefer slot mask over aperture grille. don't think i saw dot masks anywhere. even most knob tvs are slot.

all my PC monitors/cat warmers were dots. i've heard of some weirdos having aperture grille monitors but i don't think i've ever seen one.

[Anonymous No.10476875]

>>10476845
>car warmers
Based

[Anonymous No.10476879]

>>10476875
Cat, got dang it

[Anonymous No.10476883]

I find the idea of autists around the world examining their screens with magnifying glasses rather amusing

[Anonymous No.10476892]

Just play the fucking games ffs

[Anonymous No.10476895]

>>10476819
Shadow masks/slot masks, either or, both are better than aperture grilles because they don't give you black bars running along the screen in 240p

[Anonymous No.10476898]

Black Mesa Grille

[Anonymous No.10476901]

>>10476892
>stop caring about anything at all

[Anonymous No.10476902]

>>10476883
>>10476892
Stay ignorant

[Anonymous No.10476903]

>>10476892
LMAO
Who do you think these people are? CRTfags don't play games. Same with anti-emulationfags

[Anonymous No.10476914]

>>10476895
Question: why are scanlines always horizontal if aperture grilles are vertical?

[Anonymous No.10476919]

>>10476903
So who are you?

[Anonymous No.10476923]

>>10476901
I wasn't looking for confirmation that these cultists can only care about CRTs all but thanks for providing it anyway.

[Anonymous No.10476936]

>>10476919
I'm Batman

[Anonymous No.10476945]

i like wearing your moms slot as a mask

[Anonymous No.10476963]

>>10476936
Kek, you got me

[Anonymous No.10477428]

>>10476819
What are you, my optometrist?

[Anonymous No.10477538]

>>10476914
The scanlines are independent of the grille or mask. Those separate the colors so you get a full color image but the underlying tech, the scanlines, are the same as in black and white TVs.

Here's an explainer:
https://youtu.be/dX649lnKAU0?si=KbaKk91A4rcNzoGc

[Anonymous No.10477568]

>>10476819
Arcade monitors were almost universally curved slot masks so that could be relevant. Plus it's hard to find curved Aperture grille sets that have component inputs. Sony went all in on the flat glass trend which is fine for normal TV but isn't great for retro gaming.

[Anonymous No.10477589]

>>10476819
For me, it's aperature grills.

[Anonymous No.10477596]

>>10477568
>flat glass trend which is fine for normal TV but isn't great for retro gaming.
Strongly disagree, love my JVC DT-V1710CG. NES looks great with it and others of course.

[Anonymous No.10477598]

>>10476819
>i've heard of some weirdos having aperture grille monitors but i don't think i've ever seen one.
Apple-branded external Mac color monitors were usually Trinitrons (Aperture grille). The large ones even had the dual wires securing the grille.
13-inch versions were single wire.

Not every monitor from Apple was trinitron, but many were.

It was a great time to be alive. The trinitron monitors were VERY good!

[Anonymous No.10478539]

>>10476819
up

[Anonymous No.10478547]

>>10476819
Whichever looks best on your monitor, at your viewing distance. Though certain games expect certain masks, particularly PC games
Masks and scanlines are not supposed to be visible keep this in mind

[Anonymous No.10478858]

>>10477596
Every tube is different but flat tubes are way more likely to experience warping during horizontal scrolling. Getting good geometry is just harder than with curved tubes.

[Anonymous No.10478872]

>>10476923
>if you interested in improving things for games you don't really care about playing games

[Anonymous No.10478878]

One thing about Trinitrons is that their claim to fame came before slot masks were a thing. When up against old dot trio shadowmasks from the 1970s it was like night and day because of how much brighter the screen was. As the decades moved on, and especially once you get to the 90s, consumer TVs using slot masks had perfectly good brightness. What I notice, and this is obviously a calibration thing but it's a consistent enough problem that it's clearly relevant, is that later model Trinitrons tend to have an aggressive red push. I don't know if that's because Sony really wanted to push the brightness to the max or just because they liked rolling them out of the factory that way for the showrooms, but it's hard to not see once you notice.

[Anonymous No.10478901]

>>10476819
Slot mask all the way, baby!

[Anonymous No.10478907]

>>10478547
PC since VGA has been 400p or higher, even a very high TVL CRT will have a hard time showing visible scan lines with that.

[Anonymous No.10478917]

>>10476936
How did those bats taste?

[Anonymous No.10478951]

Slot masks have a nicer image to me. "Less harsh" is my best way to put into words.

[Anonymous No.10478971]

>>10478951
Yeah I agree
I'd take top example any day over the bottom one

[Anonymous No.10478976]

>itt: faggots who cope that they can't afford a good PVM or aperture grill

[Anonymous No.10478978]

>>10476845
AG monitors are pretty common though

[Anonymous No.10478986]

>>10478951
>>10478971
Which one is which? The bottom looks less harsh to me.

[Anonymous No.10478991]

>>10478858
Yea, it does kinda suck. My JVC I got as new old stock and even out of the box the geometry wasnt perfect, picture is amazing though

[Anonymous No.10478994]

>>10478976
>aperture grill

[Anonymous No.10479002]

>>10478986
bait

[Anonymous No.10479079]

>>10478986
Top is slot mask, bottom is aperture grille. It does come down to taste. I personally prefer the more woven look of a slot mask rather than the solid phosphor lines. At a normal distance you're not going to notice the specific mask type but in terms of how the overall picture looks I feel like aperture grilles look more aggressively saturated.

[Anonymous No.10479094]

>>10479079
Hmm, yeah, good point about the saturation, I hadn't really noticed until you pointed it out, but that is pretty aggressive.

[Anonymous No.10479109]

The nice thing about Sony TVs is that they're pretty much all the same. Other manufacturers often sourced tubes from a lot of different companies so you might get less consistency. JVC's D-Series has an excellent reputation but JVC didn't make tubes in-house so you can get one of a good half dozen or so variants. Toshiba was better with this. You'll either get a Toshiba tube or, on the smaller sets, Orion.

[Anonymous No.10479185]

>>10479109
Good point. Once you're dealing with late 90's/early 2000's sets, the only real advantage Sony sets have is that they're all but guaranteed to be great PQ-wise, provided they're in good condition, whereas with other brands you may have to do a bit of homework, but the good ones are just as good as Sony sets.
>>10476845
Interestingly, consumer sets used to be shadow mask up until the 70's or so, after which they switched to slot masks. Color PC monitors, meanwhile, started out using slot masks and later switched to shadow masks some time after the VGA standard came about (the first VGA monitors were still slot masks).

[Anonymous No.10479194]

>>10479185
PQ?

[Anonymous No.10479210]

>>10478901
>slut mask

[Anonymous No.10479218]

>>10479194
Picture quality.

[Anonymous No.10479542]

>>10478978
did Apple ever sell them?

[Anonymous No.10479786]

>>10479542
Yes, I have a old Macintosh Color Monitor, it's a AG tube. A lot of Apple monitors from the time used AG tubes.

[Anonymous No.10479864]

>>10478994
>Glass is curved in both directions
More disgusting than the fact that it's AI slop.

[Anonymous No.10479895]

>>10479864
sony did make non-trinitron crt tvs though

[Anonymous No.10480019]

>>10479542
Pretty much all their CRT monitors for the G3 and G4 lines used aperture grilles. Not the ones on the iMacs and eMacs to my recollection, though.

[Anonymous No.10480110]

>>10480019
Wait, the LG tubes were aperture grille?

[Anonymous No.10480117]

>>10480110
LG had their own line of aperture grille TVs and monitors once Sony's patent expired. It was called Flatron.

[Anonymous No.10480131]

>>10476819
Nigger just out and buy a CRT for 20

[Anonymous No.10480154]

>>10476892
>go to gourmet restaurant
>"just eat the fucking food ffs"
yeah it doesn't work that way. it's literally snobbery based of perceived value.

[Anonymous No.10480438]

>>10479895
Yeah and they didn't have aperture grilles, so the joke no longer works.

[Anonymous No.10480643]

>>10478951
top:soul
bottom:soulless

[Anonymous No.10481135]

>>10478951
Yeah top one sparks joy. A lot of that might be nostalgia though, reminds me of the Toshiba Blackstripe we had when I was a kid.

[Anonymous No.10481145]

>>10476819
2d shit was made for slot mask

[Anonymous No.10481198]

>>10478951
I like how the scanline meme has finally died down.

[Anonymous No.10481387]

CRTfags are the most insufferable motherfuckers in existence.

[Anonymous No.10481415]

>>10481198
>Scanline meme
I have no idea why you retards call it this, even the shittiest old crts had them but only idiots on 4chan think they don't for some reason. Go to any enthuisiast forum or any other site and you'll never see this retarded argument anywhere.

It's amazing how contrarion 4chan is. This place isnt for people that like to play games, it's just a place people love to argue.

[Anonymous No.10481426]

>>10481415
Scanlines aren’t visible on real CRTs
If you’re emulating and can see the slot mask or any lines at all you’re doing it all wrong

[Anonymous No.10481428]

>>10481426
Ah yes, there they are.

[Anonymous No.10481434]

>>10476903
I don't get why every single thing has to be a political ideology to you people.
Can't you enjoy both emulation and original hardware, or does that make you a "heckin reddit centrist?"

[Anonymous No.10481436]

>>10481426
anon i think ur retarded

>>10478901
>>10479210

[Anonymous No.10481441]

>>10481426
so the real crt is a lcd screen this whole time?
thank you heckin god
I don't need your nuclear tube gun anymore

[Anonymous No.10481445]

>>10476819
For me it’s slot

[Anonymous No.10481501]

>>10481415
>I have no idea why you retards call it this, even the shittiest old crts had them
No, lower TVL tubes will have a hard time showing visibly separate scanlines even at 240p. Specially if they are slot mask.
If you mean scanlines as in just the picture to be anal about it, then sure, otherwise you'd see nothing, but they usually weren't noticeably separated.

>>10481426
They are, but not on all tubes.

>>10481436
That is a slightly higher TVL tube though. 600 TVL.

[Anonymous No.10481514]

This thread made me realize that my two 13" Toshibas are Orion tubes...

[Anonymous No.10481680]

>>10481501
>That is a slightly higher TVL tube though. 600 TVL.
Just moving goal posts.

[Anonymous No.10481686]

>>10481680
Your average set didn't have such TVL.

[Anonymous No.10481719]

Which one is crt royale? And what are the best shaders for the other types? I want to check them out. Pretty sure the only box TVs we had when I was a kid were the slot mask ones with the little groups of vertical stripes

[Anonymous No.10481748]

>>10481501
>They are, but not on all tubes.
I think it may be a difference between NTSC and PAL too. Scanlines not being as pronounced on yuros' PAL displays with the lines more densely packed.

[Anonymous No.10481770]

>>10481748
The difference is only 240 vs 288, but noticeable I'm sure.
I'm a Yuro but I mostly play at 240p though.

[Anonymous No.10481795]

>>10481686
You're saying that like it's not known, you can see scanlines on consumer grade sets even via composite. When are you retards ever gonna drop this stupid argument?

[Anonymous No.10481797]

>>10481426
no scanlines, but the mask is visible

[Anonymous No.10481895]

>>10481797
>>10481428
>>10481436
Any picture you see from a crt is not what it looks like to the naked eye. I’ve had CRTs my entire life and never ever saw scanlines or a mask, I have one right now, and there were dozens of different kinds at a gaming convention I went to, scanlines and masks were NOT visible on any of them even up close.
Anyone who posts a picture of a crt as “proof” is clearly underage b&

[Anonymous No.10481901]

>>10481895
>these pictures aren't real because well
>uhhh reasons herp derp larp
okay but I own 200 crts and have modded 64 nintendo 64s with rgb and I can positively say CRTs are for retarded monkeys who cannot sit back a few feet further away from their screen

[Anonymous No.10481908]

>>10481795
Sure there's plenty of consumer grade sets that are capable of it. But the average set isn't that, average is pretty low end, thanks to the market being mostly shitty CRT TVs, most people didn't have a high end Sony, etc.

>Composite
Nothing to do with it, composite artifacting is horizontal, not vertical. But RGB does help to give a generally sharper picture.

[Anonymous No.10481923]

>>10481908
>Scanlines exist on TVs, but they also don't
i hate this place, it's just for arguing

[Anonymous No.10482001]

>>10481923
>>Scanlines exist on TVs, but they also don't
Pretty much, depends on the tube.

[Anonymous No.10482046]

None. The best is whatever CRT television you use to play your retro video games on, preferably through RF or composite input because that's likely what you used back in the day.

Anything more than that means you care more about jerking off to your pixels than you do playing video games.

[Anonymous No.10482075]

>>10482046
Why is it sin to want to have a good experience?

[Anonymous No.10482086]

>>10482075
Like everything in life, there's bottom dwellers who are jealous and only exist to try to claw you down to their level.

[Anonymous No.10482119]

>>10477568
Seems to me these straight lines never being straight at the corners would be just as annoying on TV news channels and sports and shit that tend to put straight line overlays in those areas.

For the record my unidentifiable Best Buy flatscreen has more pronounced scanlines than I like even on PS1 composite, albeit only very slightly. They aren't pitch black like the PVM meme but they're there and show up to the eye on certain colors at the right distance. Now 480i scanlines, those 100% exist in photographs yet you don't see them unless your brain is wired funny or you stare at it cross eyed.

[Anonymous No.10482257]

>>10481198
It's more a realization that PVMs aren't necessarily the best way to play. Obviously scanlines (better described as scanline effect) are part of any CRT but most people don't actually want the solid black window blinds from professional monitors.

[Anonymous No.10482264]

>>10481198
Pretty sure those images come from different size screens. Once you get into 27" and up the separation becomes more apparent. But the bloom softens it enough that it's not exactly like the bottom image, which is definitely a PVM. Consumer trinitrons don't look quite like that.

[Anonymous No.10482270]

>>10482075
There's no sin, but it's now one of those things where being a CRT user means participating in a low grade post-apocalyptic scavenger society. "The best CRT is the one you have" is a way of advising people not to chase a white whale too intensely if it means missing out on what you currently have.

[Anonymous No.10482281]

>>10482119
I think scanlines for most retro gamers were akin to film grain for old school movie buffs. Nobody watching a movie back in the day was like "check out the film grain!" It tended to blend into the totality of the image. It only became an issue once it started getting removed and people noticed something was wrong.

[Anonymous No.10482289]

>>10481387
Rent fucking free. I don't think they are as essential as your strawman does, but they are neat and most retro games look like hot ass unless you attempt to replicate them at least somewhat. Shit up another thread if this isn't your interest, faggot.

[Anonymous No.10482303]

>>10482257
This.

[Anonymous No.10482307]

>>10482264
>Consumer trinitrons don't look quite like that.
Even a low end AG VGA monitor is going to look like that.

[Anonymous No.10482308]

>>10482257
>but most people don't actually want the solid black window blinds from professional monitors.
Sour grapes from Jonny come lates that can't get them now.

[Anonymous No.10482332]

>>10482257
unless you have a absurdly bright display
scanlines just make the image darker

[Anonymous No.10482336]

>>10476819
>Friends, what is best in life?

to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.

[Anonymous No.10482342]

>>10476819
Excel spreadsheets.

[Anonymous No.10482349]

>>10482308
This is why people hate PVMfags. They can't process that they paid $1000 for something that not everyone wants. Surprise, some of us want an authentic arcade monitor which aren't even trinitrons, let alone PVMs.

[Anonymous No.10482367]

>>10482349
>Paid $1000
That's the best part, usually it's under $100. They were extremely cheap before 2014 You're the ones mad that now if you want one because now they're easily over $1000 so instead you get angry at people that do have them and say they're garbage for retro games.

Sour grapes. Thanks for proving my point.

[Anonymous No.10482390]

>>10482367
even when it was under 100$ it was too expensive
I'm not paying more than 50$ for any retro shit besides a console
if there's a hdmi solution without buying a overpriced component meme cable that only works with a converter
I'm going to buy the hdmi adapter

[Anonymous No.10482410]

>>10482390
Then why are you in a CRT thread?

[Anonymous No.10482418]

>>10482410
Because I like to laugh at CRTards

[Anonymous No.10482425]

>>10482418
Right, right....of course.

[Anonymous No.10482489]

>>10482367
Lol, imagine paying even a 100 bucks for a PVM when you can get even a consumer grade Trinitron monitor for FREE even today and it still has better quality image. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.10482553]

PVMs are shit for many games because they're made for full bore 1" tape or Laserdiscs or whatever with 515 full lines, in order to use one with your Nintendo you should adjust the beam convergence so the scan lines are thicker. Nobody does this so the screen shots PVM fags post are instantly recognizable and look like trash.

[Anonymous No.10482569]

>>10482367
But I don't want one. And it's not like I've never seen them in person. I have friends with them. I knew about them back when they were a dirty little secret. Sure, if someone were throwing one away I wouldn't say no but I wouldn't say no to someone throwing away a fucking Atari Jaguar. Doesn't mean I have any specific interest in owning one. The reality is that you find it insulting that people have other preferences while you're desperately in search of validation for your mega cool PVMeme. Enjoy what you want, play on what you want to play on. But beyond that shut the fuck up about it and stop being a retard.

[Anonymous No.10482574]

>>10482425
I literally found a 32" D-Series for free on the curb a few years ago. Anyone saying you need to pay even a cent for good CRTs is lying to you.

[Anonymous No.10482616]

>>10482489
These people don't understand that their PVMemes literally look different from what a lot of people are looking for. If someone handed me a free PVM right now I'd sell it because the money it would bring in would have more value to me than actually playing on something that look alien compared to what I saw in arcade machines as a kid. Not to mention unless you're rocking an XM29 or something you're probably using a pretty small screen if you have a professional monitor. An XM29 shits all over any PVM but they're legitimately rare.

[Anonymous No.10482669]

>>10482489
>>10482569
>>10482574
>>10482616
>t. jealous fags

[Anonymous No.10482696]

>>10482669
Show your PVM. Write the date on a piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.10482698]

>>10482696
Second

[Anonymous No.10482723]

>>10482696
>>10482698

[Anonymous No.10482743]

>>10482425
one thing I've learned from being on /vr/, is there are no-life's like >>10482418 who come into threads just to get mad at things they don't like. just like the mister thread right now has some dedicated retard who posts multiple times a day to seethe about the mister.
same thing in these crt threads. 4chan has a bunch of sad people that do nothing with their lives other than be mad because other people own things

[Anonymous No.10482761]

>>10482743
>be mad
>laughing and mocking retards who think they need to own some obscure shitbox tv from half a century ago to play video games
you know you can just grow up right?

[Anonymous No.10482764]

>>10482723

[Anonymous No.10482769]

>>10482761
>grow up
says the guy claiming he always posts in these threads for the sole purpose of making people angry but only in his mind

[Anonymous No.10482774]

>>10482769
this entire thread is about crying about someone owns a different shit box than you
while a faggot 12 year old in brazil can download retroarch and mimick those displays pretty much nearly spot on

[Anonymous No.10482776]

>>10482774
>hates crts and how they look
>still attempts to mimic them with shaders
lol

[Anonymous No.10482778]

>>10482723
Could be just a average aperture grille VGA CRT monitor

[Anonymous No.10482785]

>>10482776
yet ur crying bout it curious

[Anonymous No.10482786]

>>10482723
Convergence is a little off.

[Anonymous No.10482795]

>>10482778
cope

[Anonymous No.10482798]

>>10482795
I wonder if I can make you take one more picture... Can't come up with a good excuse though.

I bet your penis is small, make a pic with timestamp.

[Anonymous No.10482802]

>>10482798
jealous of my tv and my penis, now i know im on 4chan

[Anonymous No.10482807]

>>10480154
>immediately thinks about food
amerimutts are looked down upon by the civilized world btw

[Anonymous No.10482812]

>>10482785
>i made someone mad again, in my mind
lol, get a life

[Anonymous No.10482815]

>>10482802
What penis? All I know you're a dicklet. Post timestamp with dick and ruler.

[Anonymous No.10482826]

>>10482807
Nobody looks down on you because nobody thinks about your country, or even knows it exists.

[Anonymous No.10482827]

>>10482826
kek

[Anonymous No.10482840]

>>10482812
>he says while bragging about a shit tube tv that would turn off pretty much any woman but a extremely autistic whore

[Anonymous No.10482842]

>>10482840
im not pvm anon, but i wont let that get in the way of your head cannon, go ahead and continue

[Anonymous No.10482849]

>>10482826
Good.

[Anonymous No.10482852]

>>10482842
it makes no difference
no woman is going to look at you respectfully when you own something that looks like this

[Anonymous No.10482869]

>>10482852
I'm sorry to break this to you anon, but it's not the rotary phone's fault she ghosted you.

[Anonymous No.10482874]

>>10482869
>he does not know how vapid women are
you really should go outside of your home and 4chan more often
women will ghost you for the most minor of sit
also rotary phone's give off pedo vibes

[Anonymous No.10482915]

>>10482874
>also rotary phone's give off pedo vibes
you posted it

[Anonymous No.10482916]

>>10481901
Are you fucking retarded? Have you thought the images and videos of CRT screens are how they looked IRL? You definitely are underageb& this is next level

[Anonymous No.10482941]

>>10482916
Not anon but my CRT pics look like my CRT with the naked eye, wut?

[Anonymous No.10482946]

>>10482874
Are you unironically schizophrenic?

[Anonymous No.10483103]

>>10482840
Why would I want normal women anywhere near me

[Anonymous No.10483170]

>>10482840
My girlfriend loves /vr/ and playing on CRTs tho
We were playing N64 in bed just a while ago

[Anonymous No.10483208]

>>10483170
Your crossdressing boyfriend doesn’t count

[Anonymous No.10483263]

>>10483208
Sorry, not into gay shit

[Anonymous No.10483331]

>>10476819
Is anyone documenting the dimensions and ratios, performance of grilles and masks?

[Anonymous No.10483671]

>>10482778
nah looks too shit for that, PC crts dont bloom as much.
Thats PVM tube allright

[Anonymous No.10483673]

>>10476892
>We should improve my favorite hobby a bit
>It's your favorite hobby, yet you choose not to enjoy games as they are? Curious. I am very intelligent

[Anonymous No.10483695]

>>10482840
>extremely autistic whore
need

[Anonymous No.10483728]

>>10483331
smaller=better
its really that simple

[Anonymous No.10484341]

>>10482723
An edgelord faggot owns a PVM? And desperately wants to be validated? Color me shocked.

[Anonymous No.10484345]

>>10484341
>seethes at the sight of something he cannot obtain

[Anonymous No.10484350]

>>10484341
Best part about CRT threads is whenever someone posts a PVM, there's always a swarm retards that treat it like it's reddit incarnate raiding the boards and immediately say dumb shit like this.
>>10484341
>>10483671
>>10482840

It's pottery really. Unique to 4chan as well.

[Anonymous No.10484374]

>>10484350
I have a pvm and
>PC crts dont bloom as much.
is 100% true.
PVM is a glorified TV, if you claim its more then that you are stupid and dont know why PVMs are even a thing

[Anonymous No.10484502]

>>10484345
I absolutely can obtain it because they're not hard to find nor are they out of my price range. People are acting like they're insanely expensive but you can get one right now for less than a modern OLED. I've seen way more PVMs in person than actual grails like the NES TV. If I want one I'll buy one. But I don't want to buy one because I have the CRT I want already which is a 36" curved glass slot mask, both dwarfing PVMs in size and being more accurate to the kind of CRTs that were in arcade machines. Hard to believe someone could be happy huh? Ironically you don't actually think anyone in this thread is jealous. You simply want them to be. Or you're just trolling which would be even sadder so I'd rather you be a genuine dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10484523]

>>10484350
It's not people posting their PVMs that's annoying people. It's that there's one or two faggots invading every CRT thread immediately accusing everyone who prefers non-PVM displays to be jealous of their precious CRT. If people were just posting their shit or saying what they personally like there wouldn't be any problems.

>>10484345
>>10482086
>>10482308
Like seriously what the fuck is this? The second someone says they like the look of an 80s era low TVL consumer set some faggot automatically is like "sour grapes! herp derp!"

[Anonymous No.10484594]

>>10476892
Why are normalfags intimidated by other people showing interest in things

[Anonymous No.10484737]

>>10482795
Nice dither patches.

[Anonymous No.10484748]

>>10476819
Aperture grille Chad reporting in.
If you want your old to ancient video games to look right you'll prefer this.

[Anonymous No.10485078]

>>10483728
Thanks for the ego boost

[Anonymous No.10485212]

>>10482075
What is preventing you from having a good experience with what you have?

[Anonymous No.10485558]

>>10481198
>scanline meme
That's literally how 240p looks on a CRT anon

[Anonymous No.10485561]

>>10481387
Really?
I think you are more insufferable

[Anonymous No.10485610]

>>10485558
You can barely see any separation on a 13" hand me down TV from the 80s. That's probably one reason 240p was used in the first place. At the time it was a way to get jitter free 60fps with no visible downsides since most people were playing on TVs that were small enough where halving the resolution wasn't going to be noticeable. If you look at the back of old game boxes the screenshots show no visible scanline effect. If typical consumer TVs showed the dramatic effect of a PVM chances are they wouldn't have done it and instead stuck to 480i. Obviously larger and better TVs would increase the visibility but, again, it wasn't that common for people to be rocking TVs of that size back then unless they were using a rear projection which were so dim and blurry it wasn't going to matter.

[Anonymous No.10485624]

>>10485610
Tell me anon, in those clear scanline CRTs itt, can you see them while they're thumbnails?
They chose 240p because that is what they could output
tell me, how well does the N64 run in 480i "high res mode"

[Anonymous No.10485695]

>>10485610
I don't know where you get the idea that TVs were all tiny in the 80s. 19" and 21" were the most common by far but you could easily get 25" and 27" TVs in the mid-80s. The LCD grid on a GBA is pretty obvious but it didn't stop them from using that either.

[Anonymous No.10486094]

>>10485695
Even at 20" you have pretty tight scanline spacing. Not unnoticeable but blooming is a hell of a thing. And of course large CRTs were a thing. But they were also very expensive. And 80s America wasn't exactly an economic utopia. Sure, rich yuppies were building entertainment centers with their Hi-Fi and Laserdisc player but most people's living room TV set was, as you said, 19-21".

[Anonymous No.10486245]

>>10482342
>AAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOO
>Looks like he's passing a kidney stone