/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10470263]

Is there any point in owning this console? I'm not interested in JRPGs with lower shonen-level writing and menu combat. It feels like it has less games than the PS1, and that one is mostly JRPGs and 2D games too.

[Anonymous No.10470268]

I'd personally say no. Almost all the good games got better ports or sequels on other consoles.

[Anonymous No.10470269]

It's a Gran Turismo 4 machine

[Anonymous No.10470272]

PCSX2 isn't that bad anymore and PS2 is very susceptible to both noise (when using 480i especially) and damage

[Anonymous No.10470282]

>>10470269
>Gran Turismo
See >>10470268
There isn't a real reason to go with 4 when 6 or maybe even 7 exist. Not like GT has a lot of personality; it's just content game. And funnily enough, PS3 emulation is better than PS2 emulation these days

[Anonymous No.10470283]

ps2 has a great deal of excellent action games. the sheer volume of software for this console means pretty much anyone can find enough games to justify having one.

[Anonymous No.10470297]

>>10470283
>the sheer volume of software for this console means pretty much anyone can find enough games to justify having one.
There is no good justificatino for playing games like SotC on PS2 with 10 frames and vaseline resolution instead of either remaster. It will just sour your experience. The same goes for a lot of games

And if those games are even really good or stand the test of the time is the other question

[Anonymous No.10470298]

>>10470272
PCSX2 is better than it was but still not good enough. Maybe in another decade. In the meantime it’s still best to own a PS2 and a CRT.

[Anonymous No.10470305]

>>10470297
>vaseline resolution
I like the vaseline resolution, the fur "shader" and motion blur are more convincing at the original res. I believe the HUD is broken on PS3 when played at 4:3, so the PS2 original still has its place if you are a CRT user

[Anonymous No.10470307]

>>10470297
PS3 version of SotC has the grip gauge bug. Thanks for confirming you don't actually play games and jerk off over graphics instead

[Anonymous No.10470308]

>>10470282
>when 6 or maybe even 7 exist
online bs

[Anonymous No.10470312]

>>10470307
The physics are a bit different, which is good because it makes an extremely easy game slightly harder

[Anonymous No.10470314]

>>10470297
>MUH FPS MUH GRAPHICS MUH RESOLUTION
Only pcturds and zoomerfaggots care about this shit

[Anonymous No.10470316]

>>10470307
Was that bug even confirmed? I played through the whole game multiple times and beat all the time trials for the platinum and never noticed any annoying grip issues. If anything I found it easier than the PS2 version because the frame rate wasn’t constantly disorienting. I was surprised to come online and see people crying about it.

[Anonymous No.10470324]

>>10470314
You are retarded. It fucks with gameplay and your timing. Low framerate is one thing but it should be stable at least

[Anonymous No.10470325]

You faggots are going to be the reason why I’m going to quit video gaming altogether.

[Anonymous No.10470379]

What are must play games with an above 85% aggregate score that are still exclusive to PS2?

[Anonymous No.10470391]

>>10470324
It was designed to be played that way.

[Anonymous No.10470416]

>>10470391
How could the physics be so fine-tuned in a game that has wildly variable frame rates? You can fight a given colossus multiple times and have a different experience every time while the PS2 gasps and shits itself trying to keep up. Sounds like bullshit. It would be different if the game was at a stable 15 fps or some shit.

[Anonymou No.10470420]

The ps2 was the start of the cancer movie games era
It barely has real games like the ps. In this era reading text is mandatory even in action games

[Anonymous No.10470423]

>>10470391
>it was designed to be shit

[Anonymous No.10470441]

>>10470379
Idk about exclusive, but these games are best played on PS2
>Devil May Cry 1&2 (94%, 87%)
again, best played on PS2 due to missing graphical effects in remasters
>Okami (93%)
not exclusive but best played on PS2; Wii version has waggle and the shaders don't scale to the resolution on PS3
>Final Fantasy X (92%)
Again, best played on PS2; you cannot take the story seriously with the remaster's fucked up character models and mismapped facial animations. Not to mention, missing lighting effects in the remaster, yaaaaay
>Ratchet and Clank games (88%, 90%, 91%)
Again, best played on PS2; the PS3 versions have major graphical bugs and audio looping issues
>Ico (90%)
For me, the PS2 version is king because of 240p.
>Persona 4 (90%)
Definitely not an exclusive, but definitely more visually appealing than any other version.
>Ace Combat 4 (89%)
Fuck yeah, this one actually is exclusive
>Silent Hill 3 (85%)
Again, not exclusive, but may as well be.

[Anonymous No.10470449]

>>10470441
Could have saved a lot of typing and cope and simply said that there's only one exclusive you would recommend.

[Anonymous No.10470453]

>>10470283
Pretty true there's a lot of really good games that are just waiting to be played, dark cloud/rogue galaxy are great.

[Anonymous No.10470459]

>>10470441
>shit framerate and eye cancer resolution
>BUT IT'S BEST PLAYED ON PS2 BECAUSE A MINOR EFFECT DOESN'T WORK IN THE 8k 60 frames port with a controller of your choice and desktop comfortability
No

[Anonymous No.10470463]

>>10470441
>not exclusive but best played on PS2; Wii version has waggle and the shaders don't scale to the resolution on PS3
The PS3 resolution thing can be fixed by manually setting the console resolution to 720p, it's when the PS3 upscales it to 1080p that you have issues. The later ports of the game don't have this issue.

[Anonymous No.10470465]

>>10470263
>It feels

[Anonymous No.10470467]

>>10470379
>caring about aggregate scores

[Anonymous No.10470469]

>>10470459
Which of the listed games have shit framerates and eye cancer resolution

[Anonymous No.10470470]

>>10470314
>framerate
>Only pcturds and zoomerfaggots care about this shit
Strange. Snoys seem to suddenly care when comparing the PS1 to the N64

[Anonymous No.10470473]

>>10470441
>Devil May Cry 1&3*

[Anonymous No.10470474]

>>10470459
I can't take you quality of life fags seriously anymore. Especially here on /vr/ where people openly exclaim games with 12fps are 10/10 masterpieces. You're a creature comfort addict, I'd like to slap you in the face with glob of fresh mud so you can inhale the petrichor into your soul.

[Anonymous No.10470483]

>>10470469
PS2 is 480 at best so all of them?

[Anonymous No.10470486]

>>10470263
The PS2s library, just like the SNES, is very underwhelming unless youre generic retro mcgamer dude weeb who plays nothing but platformers and jrpgs. It's main advantage was every multiplat game was designed with it in mind first which lead to some shitty Xbox controls in certain games, but with all the controller adapters avaliable now that's not really an issue.
The Genesis, PS1, Dreamcast, NeoGeo, and Xbox are all far superior options.

[Anonymous No.10470489]

>>10470467
God Hand is the Japanese equivalent of Eurojank. Beloved by contrarian-by-nature anons on 4chan, but it's entirely understandable why it's considered mediocre by most.

[Anonymous No.10470497]

>>10470483
If you're too ignorant to appreciate 480i content then you should consult >>>/v/ instead of this board.

[Anonymous No.10470504]

I really, really, really suggest against opting for low res just because it's le 'authentic' which is apparently the snazzy thing to do on /vr/. It really is bad for your eyes and at least in 6th gen really hardly intended by devs

[Anonymous No.10470505]

@10470486
(you)

[Anonymous No.10470510]

>>10470459
typical emufag doesn't care if the graphics are glitchy and broken so long as it's technically 4k

[Anonymous No.10470517]

>>10470497
480i looks like dogshit. You're playing every game with permanent N64 blur

[Anonymous No.10470523]

>>10470517
Look great on a CRT.

[Anonymous No.10470532]

>>10470523
And a projector

[Anonymous No.10470538]

>>10470510
Yeah seriously. Everything else can be broken as long as they get 4K rofl. In the case of Silent Hill 3, the remaster is so bad as to not be worth playing even if it's your only means to but some morons are going to flock to it just because it has HD in the name

[Anonymous No.10470546]

>>10470523
No it doesn't. PS2 games never looked great because they're blurry messes due to the shit output.

[Anonymous No.10470554]

>>10470546
t. zoomie who has only ever played them on an LCD

[Anonymous No.10470557]

>>10470546
It had better output than Gamecube and Xbox.

[Anonymous No.10470558]

>>10470546
Always looked great to me. Still looks great now.

[Anonymous No.10470567]

>>10470554
every analog output looks like shit on an LCD
>>10470557
The Xbox had 480p in every game

[Anonymous No.10470571]

Sure, it has the biggest and most diverse game library of any (retro) console probably.

[Anonymous No.10470574]

>>10470567
Why are you even here?

[Anonymous No.10470578]

>>10470571
There's nothing diverse about the library. It's Metal Gear, DMC, and then nothing but JRPGs and mascot platformers.

[Anonymous No.10470583]

>>10470567
What TVs, especially tubes, supported 480p in the early 2000s?
If you stick to interlacing, the PS2 was better.

[Anonymous No.10470585]

>>10470574
why are you attempting to defend the objective worst video output resolution?

[Anonymous No.10470586]

>>10470578
Why are you so mad that the PS2 has a more diverse library than the GameCube? Aren't nintendrones homogenous Nancy's? You just want games that play like Mario and Zelda, what kind of short circuitry is going on in your brain.

[Anonymous No.10470587]

>>10470297
framedrops are part of the game
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.10470589]

>>10470583
Do you think component RGB SCART and VGA are all tech invented in the past 10 years?

[Anonymous No.10470591]

>>10470489
>be /vr/ poster
>wake up
>look up library of retro consoles
>sort by worst metacritic score
>pick one of the 10 worst games
>go on board, post: if you don’t like this game you’re a FAGGOT and you need to LEAVE
Rinse and repeat

[Anonymous No.10470593]

>>10470589
rgb scart has nothing to do with 480p

[Anonymous No.10470594]

>>10470585
Because it's not and it's also not a big deal in the aspect of retro videogames. You're the one whose hyper focused on this, not us. You invaded this thread to post bullshit about resolution like PS2 is the only retro console that suffers from these problems, when every single retro console uses resolutions from the era they were created. You're psychotic, mam.

[Anonymous No.10470596]

>>10470586
When did I ever mention the fucking gamecube? no one owned a gamecube except literal toddlers and weird fundie christians and it has an even shittier library and worse multiplats

[Anonymous No.10470598]

>>10470589
Do you think most people played their console games with SCART? With YPbPr? With fucking VGA? Christ. Most people didn't have EDTV's; most people played games with the bundled composite cables on a shadow mask set.

[Anonymous No.10470602]

>>10470596
Ohh so you're just mad for no reason, that's a problem my guy, you might wanna get that checked out

[Anonymous No.10470604]

>>10470594
480i is worse than 240p, and 480p. it is objectively the worst resolution. it looks like shit, and results in a blurry image.

[Anonymous No.10470605]

>>10470589
I don't know what RGB Scart has to do with this. But please tell me about all these CRT televisions that supported progressive scan.

[Anonymous No.10470607]

>>10470602
>my guy
nta but God please don't talk like that, not on /vr/
>>10470604
So all the people who were blown away by the graphics of 6th gen consoles (remember, most people used composite cables) were just making shit up? Learn something new everyday

[Anonymous No.10470618]

Reason? No, it's implicit.

[Anonymous No.10470619]

>>10470607
They have poor sensory organs and their judgement should not be trusted, they were incorrect then and they’re incorrect today. Everyone’s opinion is not equally valid.

[Anonymous No.10470620]

>>10470604
Ohh well that's what they had back then. You're retro actively getting angry and resolutions that were common place in their times. Thanks for shitting up the thread because you're retarded

[Anonymous No.10470626]

>>10470607
The graphical fidelity of new consoles has nothing to do with the output format.
You're literally just trying to argue basic and not even debatable tech facts under the guise of "well MGS2 had better graphics than MGS1"
No one cares. 480i is a terrible format. It will always be a terrible format.

[Anonymous No.10470631]

>>10470619
I think you're the one with poor organs if you can't appreciate the games for what they are

[Anonymous No.10470636]

>>10470602
So what's the diverse library of games? The worst multiplats, shitty JRPGs, and action platformers for 10 year olds?

[Anonymous No.10470637]

>>10470604
Blurry is not how I would describe it, it actually looks exceptionally sharp but also quite harsh on the eyes. The blurriness comes from the flicker filter that is usually applied to mitigate this.

[Anonymous No.10470639]

>>10470636
We talking the gamecube now?

[Anonymous No.10470642]

>>10470636
https://playstation.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_2_games

[Anonymous No.10470649]

>>10470639
why does a console no one over the age of 12 owned live rent free in your head

[Anonymous No.10470653]

>>10470642
Meh that's a horrible list this is better
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_2-only_games

[Anonymous No.10470656]

>>10470598
Why is every discussion framed only around consoles as if VGA wasn't a commonplace connection for thousands of PC games at the time?

[Anonymous No.10470659]

>>10470656
Because people don't connect their consoles to PC monitors.

[Anonymous No.10470661]

>>10470656
Seoerate issues. 99.99% of computers used vga, consumer televisions did not. It's really just about how the market chose to push which technologies where.

[Anonymous No.10470664]

>>10470656
Who the fuck is talking about interlacing on desktop monitors you fuckwit? Holy shit, what the hell is your problem? Leave the thread now; you have nothing of value to contribute.

[Anonymous No.10470672]

>>10470282
>PS3 emulation is better than PS2 emulation these days
Why spread lies on the internet like that?

[Anonymous No.10470675]

>>10470653
>Seaman 2
What in the worrrrld

[Anonymous No.10470676]

>>10470659
>>10470664
>480i is a shit format
>"uh no it's not it looks fine and there was nothing better anyway"
>VGA was commonplace and every other console did 240 or 480p
>ensuing tard rage from tech illiterates
cool thread

[Anonymous No.10470687]

>>10470672
Probably hyperbole on their part but the fact that PS2 emulation has been so bad for this long is pretty disappointing. People were too willing to settle for emulation hacks.

[Anonymous No.10470691]

>>10470676
This is a console thread you miserable bag of grease. Are you even lucid? Why would you come into a console thread to talk about how uniquely bad the PS2's output is (in distinction to other consoles), and then sing the praises of fucking VGA (again, in distinction to other consoles)? Why is that your counterpoint to console players en masse using composite? What is the relevance?

[Anonymous No.10470692]

>>10470618
>cheerleader effect
There are very few PS2 games worth playing. I know because I'm looking for excuses not to remove the PS2 emulator off my desktop

[Anonymous No.10470705]

This is the only game for the ps2 i found memorable, Other than Neo Geo Battle Coliseum.

[Anonymous No.10470708]

>>10470578
Not really

[Anonymous No.10470724]

>>10470675
PlayStation 2 is, dare I say it, the Dreamcast 2.

[Anonymous No.10470739]

>>10470618
Like half of these aren't even worth having a PS2 for

[Anonymous No.10470740]

>>10470724
PS2 ports of Dreamcast games were shit.

[Anonymous No.10470746]

>>10470692
Thend delete it, nobody's holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play PS2 games, holy Christ.

[Anonymous No.10470748]

>>10470740
>>10470739
Dunno what causes so much seething raging from dreamcast 2 deniers...PS2 is simply the DC2....DC had heart and the PS2...it felt it.

[Anonymous No.10470754]

>>10470748
To be fair dc was split between the Xbox and ps2

[Anonymous No.10470758]

>>10470754
It was split..but the PS2 made it whole. double the framerate for this dreamCLASSIC.

[Anonymous No.10470763]

>>10470676
You're trying to reframe the discussion. The point is people like to regurgitate the idea that PS2s video output was 'garbage' compared to the competition because relatively few games supported progressive scan, as if that wasn't an incredibly niche feature that would only really gain viability as the transition to HDTV kicked off. And considering analog CRT televisions are almost universally seen as the preferable display method for consoles of this vintage its kind of a moot point.

[Anonymous No.10470772]

>>10470748
When Dreamcast games have bad ports on the console and are just inferior versions it's hard to call it a Dreamcast 2.

[Anonymous No.10470779]

>>10470618
what's the game all the way at the bottom left?

[Anonymous No.10470794]

The levels of retardism in this thread are astounding! No that OP's topic helps with how dumb it was. Get a PS2 and shut up.

[Anonymous No.10470796]

>>10470263
Probably technically nothing because there are good emulators and enough legit ports of games such as mgs2+3 available nowadays, but I own it because I like to collect physical games and be able to just insert the disc and start playing.

[Anonymous No.10470802]

I hear a lot of talk about ps2 emulation improving recently after years of stagnation, is that true? Or is it just cope

[Anonymous No.10470804]

>>10470779
Code age commanders

[Anonymous No.10470806]

>>10470802
Yes, it's gotten quite a bit better the last few years

[Anonymous No.10470826]

>>10470504
>Noooo, stop saying 20+ year old games looks fine the way they are, you have to play them at 4k 60fps even if that could potentially break things dammit!

[Anonymous No.10470947]

>>10470804
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.10470971]

>>10470263
The cons:
- low production values
- too easy
- lots of cringe stuff
- the Cosmosphere sections lack any real gameplay
The pros:
- great lore and setting
- great battle systems
- great soundtrack
- lots of cringe stuff
- great characters

[Anonymous No.10471041]

>>10470263
>I'm not interested in JRPGs with lower shonen-level writing
I really wish you people told us what kind of stories you consume. Because I have no doubt all of you watch Hollywood movies, Netflix shows, books aimed at teenagers, super heroes...

[Anonymous No.10471104]

>>10470420
>In this era reading text is mandatory even in action games
Whoa, what a condemnation.

[Anonymous No.10471176]

>>10470705
stuntman is the best casual filtering device

[Anonymous No.10472282]

>>10470268
this

[Anonymous No.10472291]

>>10470263
The Ace Combat games alone make this console a must-have. I do not care for any opinions that deviate from this fact, for they are worthless opinions from equally worthless creatures.

[Anonymous No.10472447]

>>10472291
>The Ace Combat games alone make this console a must-have
Niche genre and you could just play the superior new games

[Anonymous No.10472460]

>>10470263
If you can't find dozens of top tier non RPG games on PS2, you haven't bothered looking.

[Anonymous No.10472464]

>>10471104
I swear this all because nintendrones got btfo recently. So, they became auster. Nintauster

[Anonymous No.10472468]

>>10472447
None of the games that came after the PS2 trilogy surpassed it, despite their qualities.
This is an informative post, replies are not required unless you're too low IQ to accept this.

[Anonymous No.10472482]

>>10472468
>None of the games that came after the PS2 trilogy surpassed it
Maybe if you are a nostalgia fagging retard. There is nothing the PS2 games do better than 7 and graphics are very important for this series. And you can say the same about Tekken, Ridge Racer, Gran Turismo and many other games

And a shitty casual game in a niche genre anyway

[Anonymous No.10472503]

>>10470420
I sadly can't disagree. It's like, every 'actually good' exclusive game on the PS2 is either generally underwhelming or severely flawed in some way despite being almost great.

It's fucking surreal to pop in a game like Megaman Legends and find that it's actually really bloody good, and then realize that there are basically no PS2 games like that. Like, PS1 and N64 games had this strong focus and though put into how to make them solidly interesting and mechanically compelling. But it's like, on the PS2 you mostly get all kinds of shit like Dark Cloud, where it's *almost* great, but the game's like "actually, yeah, you are just going to spend most of your time going through tons of randomly generated, repetitive dungeon floors, have fun".

[Anonymous No.10472518]

>>10472482
>Incoherent quadroon squealing
Yeah that's a wrap.
The PS2 won, and the PSX won a second time. History will never change but you're used to that by now.

[Anonymous No.10472728]

>>10472482
>nothing the PS2 games do better than 7
Story and music

[Anonymous No.10472743]

>>10472728
Correct.
Can you imagine having that mongrel's shit taste? Must've stemmed from all the lead paint chips he ate as a kid (and probably as an adult too).

[Anonymous No.10472862]

>>10472728
But you are an emotionally stunted 12 year old if either story impresses you. Gameplay and visuals matter way more here. Most normal people will have their fill after 7. You are the only one obsessed with this gabage casual series and spamming it here

[Anonymous No.10472884]

>>10472518
Aren't you too old for brand loyalism and sales faggotry? And that's not even true, Nintendo won every single generation (console + handheld) except 6th gen which was still close and which was just because everyone bought PS2 as a DVD player lol

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps2-primarily-used-as-dvd-player/1100-2542136/

Nintendo generally made way more money with vidya than Sony and tendies are happy with the few Nintendo games they get. I assume this causes you restless nights, but you need to grow up

[Anonymous No.10473212]

>>10470379
Soul Reaver 2 and 3

No one's apparently never going to make an HD collection. Or a proper sequel. Or prequel. Or anything to do with LOK ever again. It's still real to me, damn it

[Anonymous No.10473220]

>>10473212
I even liked Nosgoth and they shitcanned that too