Super Mario RPG remake CRUSHES original game’s SOVL

[Anonymous No.10465202]

There is no doubt about that. The remake is not good enough. like changing Mack’s name, Yaridovich’s name, Shy Away’s name, making regular timed attacks do damage to all enemies, calling Psychopath “Thought Peek” - It’s just one of those things.

[Anonymous No.10465207]

Sounds pretty gay, i heard they changed frogfucious name too. The bastards.

[Anonymous No.10465221]

>>10465202
Just don't buy it, be vocal on Twitter about it, idk. It pisses me off too, I love smrpg, but all we can do is not buy it and be vocal. I don't use social media so that's our for me, I only vote withy pocket book.

[Anonymous No.10465256]

>>10465207
thats the only change that i think wasnt really necessary. its a cute reference and actually seems like a name instead of just a title. everything else in op's post is an improvement.
>>10465221
i'll bet you do carry a pocketbook.

[Anonymous No.10465262]

>>10465221
Members of the fan base think the remake is a stepping stone to a true sequel…

[Anonymous No.10465271]

>>10465256
“Thought Peek” doesn’t make sense.

[Anonymous No.10465293]

>>10465271
It's a better description of what the skill actually does. It peeks at the enemy's thoughts. Boom. "Psychopath" on the other hand, is a complete nonsense name for that skill.

"Thought Peek" is also a better translation of the Japanese, so if you care about accuracy....

[Anonymous No.10465296]

>>10465202
>making regular timed attacks do damage to all enemies
I expected them to make the remakes baby easy, what else?

[Anonymous No.10465316]

>>10465296
Oh yeah, and they allow you to switch difficulty whenever you want so you can just babyish your next foe as a cheat.

[Anonymous No.10465328]

>>10465202
The only thing I don't like, and it's super minor but an unnecessary removal, is the lack of card suits during the characters' spells.

[Anonymous No.10465330]

>>10465328
I noticed it too, I thought it was a cool touch in the original.

[Anonymous No.10465413]

>>10465296

You can swap party members (sans mario) at any time FFX style, even if a party member faints.

[Anonymous No.10465478]

>>10465262
I'm a member of the fanbase and I disagree, not because I don't think it could mean a sequel, but because it's going to suck... most likely.

[Anonymous No.10465509]

i hold what i assume is the relatively rare distinction of having played ted woolsey's two most notable translated games in both japanese and english and while i think he did kind of a shoddy job with ff6, i think he did pretty good on smrpg. even in ff6 woolsey largely didn't commit any real sins, i just dislike his sense of taste. with smrpg his style works really well because japanese smrpg would have been pretty esoteric if translated 1:1. and a lot of the changes i'm hearing about in the remake just seem to arbitrarily change things, not for accuracy (which would have been ok morally, just not optimal practically) but just to make new names for no reason, many of which are just outright worse

granted, i can't argue objectively that "snifster" is worse than "snifit," but i dunno

[Anonymous No.10465532]

TCH!

[Anonymous No.10465612]

>>10465509
Snifter sounds retarded.

[Anonymous No.10465630]

>>10465509
Neosquid

[Anonymous No.10465651]

A brief history of how things unfolded:
>The word "soul" exists and has strong coherent meaning as it relates to video games
>Zoomers get unreasonably upset whenever they see it because it touches a sore spot: they don't feel an emotional or cultural attachment to video games, they don't understand the soul or artistry or heart of a work. they only treat games as checklist items to be completed, because they lack any ability to perceive soul themselves
>border skirmishes occur as zoomers boil and seethe and rage at people using the word soul to effectively describe the differences in games in ways they can't grasp or articulate
>finally they get tired of always being on the losing side
>begin using the word "soul" incessantly themselves, in increasingly wrong and inaccurate ways
>hope they can just strip the word of meaning through sheer numbers
>third generation zoomers arrive
>have no clue what anything means at all anymore, so "soul" is just a meaningless buzzword to them they babble more often than punctuation
>you are here

[Anonymous No.10465704]

>>10465202
I am Switch™ posting on /vr bois!

[Anonymous No.10465795]

>>10465651
>third generation zoomers arrive

so what now there are sub-generations of zoomers that need their own magical tribe names

[Anonymous No.10465925]

Localization woes are an EOP problem only, the Japanese version is extremely faithful to the original script, and even then you could argue they're just doing a better job by doing a more accurate translation, Woolsey's version is full of inconsistencies and nonsense madeup shit, you just like it because you grew up with it.

The criticisms about the new systems and easy mode trivializing the already low difficulty of the original while neglecting to add a hard mode or a more robust post-game besides a few boss rematches, are perfectly valid though.

[Anonymous No.10466003]

>>10465202
it's fine

[Anonymous No.10466115]

Removing the titty jiggle was also a bad choice. They stripped away some of the humor by doing so.

[Anonymous No.10466142]

Many of Woolsey's jokes/changes are definitely cringey and unnecessary. But on the other hand fan translations from Japanese are really fucking dull and robotic. And i doubt the original scripts were like that, there just needs to be effort taken to convert the culturally-specific humor/subtext to a Western context.

[Anonymous No.10466526]

I really liked it and will be recommending it to my friends.

[Anonymous No.10466530]

so how many of you beat smithy again after beating all the postgame bosses?

[Anonymous No.10466537]

>>10465202
Them changing the names isn't the problem, moreso their execution of certain scenes that don't seem to have the same charm, like when Mario gets a star, or when Geno possesses the doll. Even when you go back to Rose Town after beating Bowyer, there's this necessarily weird magic animation that plays.

[Anonymous No.10466702]

I don't get why /vr/ gets mad at this. The original still exists. You reflexively hate remakes and you'll always have the original - and don't give me the whole "WELL THEY SHOULD MAKE THE ORIGINAL AVAILBLE ON THE ESHOP OR THE NSO" because you'd bitch about that too and just play your original copy or (more likely) pirate it.

[Anonymous No.10466717]

>>10466537
When I first saw that magic animation I was like "the fuck is this, Tomba?"

[Anonymous No.10468359]

>>10466115
That removal was obvious.

[Anonymous No.10468641]

>>10465630
I'm still wondering how the fuck that happened.

[Anonymous No.10468650]

>>10466717
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.

[Anonymous No.10468671]

>>10465293
Clearly someone at localisation fucked up and thought psychopath meant "psychological pathway"

[Anonymous No.10468672]

>>10465293
People wouldn't even care about the name "thought peek" if it was the original name. Shitty translations get through and when companies try to fix those mistakes in remakes, people get mad screaming "MUH SOVL". That being said, some of the name changes were just unnecessary. like: >>10465207

[Anonymous No.10468689]

>>10465293
Honestly, I like that they fixed the Woolsey screw ups, but obviously it was always going to be a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation
I'm gonna give Woolsey a pass for Yaridovich, Speardovich sounds retarded

[Anonymous No.10468745]

>>10466115
It's probably a CERO move

[Anonymous No.10468753]

>>10466530
I did. The post-game bosses characters that didn't already had a cutscene are added to the scenes, neat little change. I'm disappointed Smithy didn't have a post-game boss fight change, the bosses already could already be melted in the original and they melt even harder now

[Anonymous No.10469287]

>>10465202
>this thread
Oh the Xenoshitter is going to be on cloud 9 come next years big announcement.

[Anonymous No.10469292]

>>10465202
I wonder if they have any cool retro reboots like this coming to the switch 2?

[Anonymous No.10469298]

>>10468745
Very likely. People forget but CERO is relatively recent, only from 2003 or so.

[Anonymous No.10469317]

>>10469298
IIRC Sakurai complained about CERO in recent Smash games, apparently they're going hard on removing anything sexual for the lower ratings

[Anonymous No.10469321]

>>10469287
huh?
>>10469292
Probably. Currently I think they're doing this to fill the Switch schedule, because remakes are easy and partner companies can help a lot, leaving Nintendo's main teams on bigger games for Switch 2, but there's always schedule holes to fill somewhere. Considering how good this is selling, I imagine so, and considering the care put into this, I'm hoping for more of this quality

[Anonymous No.10469327]

>>10469321
Xenogears is getting a remake. The Xenoshitter was a...character of /v, vr, vrpg/ over time.

[Anonymous No.10469347]

>>10469327
Is there a leak or something? It's not the first time I've heard of this lately

[Anonymous No.10469445]

>>10468689
They should have called him “Spearheader” since that’s what he does.

[Anonymous No.10469539]

>>10465509
I also played it in EN and JP. There are a few places where Woolsey fumbles due to presumably not having a NoA reference sheet on his desk for stock Mario localizations (like how we got the Noknok Shell weapon from ノコノコ), plus a few straight up flubs, but yeah, overall I think Woolsey really did a pretty good job on SMRPG. Some of his translations are pretty clever given the text character limitations he sometimes had to work with. For example, although the Donkey Kong doppelganger lost its funny name, "Don't confuse me with someone else!" is a pretty good stand-in for the standard fiction disclaimer joke in the JP script given iirc he had to stay on one line.

[Anonymous No.10469601]

The remake looks ok but I see no reason to play it over the original. Just seems pointless.

[Anonymous No.10469656]

>>10465202
>The remake is not good enough. like changing Mack’s name, Yaridovich’s name, Shy Away’s name, making regular timed attacks do damage to all enemies, calling Psychopath “Thought Peek” - It’s just one of those things.

Its rumored they cesored valentine big breasts movements when she gets hit in her boss battle.

[Anonymous No.10469663]

>>10465202
>Remake
Not retro.

[Anonymous No.10470431]

>>10469445
Doesn't sound any better and the -ovich is actually intended in the Japanese version, it's meant to be a slavic name ending
https://www.mariowiki.com/Speardovich
The German handling sounds good even if it loses the -ovich

[Anonymous No.10470491]

>>10465202
Holy fuck they changed some names? That's a crime against humanity.

Out of curiosity, did you break your pussy when your tampon got in a knot over absolutely nothing?

[Anonymous No.10470623]

>>10465202
>regular timed attacks do damage to all enemies
What the fuck? Do enemies have 5x more health to compensate?

[Anonymous No.10470978]

>>10470623
They made it so the occasional enemy is stronger than the rest and give a Frog Coin when defeated.

[Anonymous No.10470998]

>>10465202
>Super Mario RPG remake CRUSHES original game’s SOVL
That sucks. I tend to not play the remake iff I have already played the original, so while I don't hate remakes, I have no reason to play them if I already loved the original. Usually, only when I hated the original do I give it a try to remake. Unless I have played the remake first, then I try the original even if I hated the remake.

[Anonymous No.10471004]

>>10466526
>>10466530
Any advice for the re-fight with Jinx post-game?

[Anonymous No.10471043]

It's a great remake

[Anonymous No.10471167]

>>10470623
The splash damage is something like 1/5 of the actual damage you do, so it's just enough to kill already weakened enemies with the splash or something

[Anonymous No.10471172]

>>10471004
I found it one of the easier fights, just do it again until you can do combos nicely enough. Also Peach heals all + can revive without pick me ups

[Anonymous No.10471981]

>>10468689
Yaridovich isn't really wrong considering a Yari is a type of spear and the one that the character actually looks like. It's arguably more accurate than "Speardovich" since calling it a spear may be more readily understood but is less specific. It'd be like renaming a character called Katanaguy into Swordguy.

[Anonymous No.10471992]

>>10471981
ahhh that might explain why Woolsey went with that then

[Anonymous No.10472000]

>>10469317
Those of us in the west are largely helpless. The reality is it's not the ESRB or console manufacturers causing most of the problems with censorship. There may be fringe cases but 90% of the time the real problem is CERO. In order to sell a game in Japan today you have to adhere to some pretty draconian standards. So for any game made in Japan it means that it's CERO, not the ESRB, that's deciding on the content on our behalf since they're the more restrictive body. People talk about how strict Australia is but that's relatively localized to the point that unless you're actually in Australia you don't have to deal with it. But we effectively do have CERO in the west because so many games are Japanese.

[Anonymous No.10472014]

>>10465651
it's just like "kino", it simply means "thing I like"

[Anonymous No.10472031]

>>10465651

[Anonymous No.10472049]

>>10472031
>YOUR SOVL IS MINE

[Anonymous No.10472087]

>>10469287
luckily he died of the coof a year ago. we just have a handful of imposters now.

[Anonymous No.10472419]

>>10471004
I'll be honest with you, I powered through most of these, but you'll mainly want Mario/Peach/Geno, get the super suit if you haven't got it already, and just work on maxing out the triple move gauge.

[Anonymous No.10472736]

>>10469287
>>10469327
>Implying Takahashi will let them shit up their past work even further without his input.
Rent free, ritual faggot.

[Anonymous No.10472762]

>>10469347
There's no Xenogears leak.

However there's this mouthy blogposting faggot claiming Chrono Trigger is getting the HD-2D treatment as soon as they're done with DQ3.

[Anonymous No.10472778]

>>10472762
>Zippo
CT geting SlopD2D treatment isn't out of this realm but call me when Pyoro cucks his rumor with his own confirmation.

[Anonymous No.10472803]

>>10472736
christ, this reminds me of how fucking gay the Ivalice shit was in FFXIV, and that was WITH the original creator's input

I have no idea how TO and FFT turned out so well early in Matsuno's life, only becoming more retarded with age

[Anonymous No.10473707]

>>10471981
for japanese audiences, it was always that direct and gay of a name. by translating it to "spear" (or "sword" in your hypothetical example) it lets english audiences experience the same cheesy naming. its intentionally bad. woolsey tried to save us from cringe. nintendo said "no. you're going to cringe, and you're going to like it".

[Anonymous No.10474740]

I don’t like Bowser’s new Crusher - it’s too Gallic.

[Anonymous No.10474749]

>>10474740
fallic, lousy autocorrect

[Anonymous No.10474761]

>>10471172
I managed to do it, first try. My problem with it the first time was that i had a good buzz on and couldn't time blocking his attacks right.

[Anonymous No.10475174]

>>10472014
to me? i thought it was calling or comparing something like it's a good film.

[Anonymous No.10476803]

>>10465296
>>10470623
It's a good change. The splash damage does nothing and it's just to help finish off nearly dead enemies to speed things up. Besides Culex (who's been made much harder in the remake) it's always been an insanely easy game.

[Anonymous No.10478574]

>>10476803
Culex has been made "harder" because you can't just stock 20+ Pick Me Ups anymore. I used to kill every crystal for fun but that's going to be much harder here without Peach spamming recovery and revive magic (which I've always dislikes playing heavily with Peach). Oh, and also because single target magic can be blocked now and it hits much harder if you don't

[Anonymous No.10478578]

>>10476803
>>10478574
Oh also, the Lazy Shell armor has it's elemental immunity removed, so can't totally count on that either

[Anonymous No.10479904]

>defending Woosley's fanfiction
>ever

[Anonymous No.10480667]

>>10478574
I was mainly referring to his postgame rematch but yeah the Lazy Shell + Peach cheese is no more. He's not the hardest superboss ever but without using the broken equipment like Lazy Shell/Safety Ring/Attack Scarf or Red Essences it's a solid challenge.

[Anonymous No.10480681]

Guess it’s time to filter out all variants of SOVL and soul. There are no threads that use this term worth reading,

[Anonymous No.10480803]

>>10465795
third gen millenials are already half-zoomer

[Anonymous No.10480806]

it's not perfect but it's overall better than the first, which somehow forces me to admit switch has 1 game. Maybe 2 with Prime, but I'm less enthusiastic about that one. The best thing about this will be everyone seeing square's take on mario so they can finally stop settling for alphadream slop and kiddified paper shit without any medieval grit

[Anonymous No.10480819]

>>10480806
You have bad taste

[Anonymous No.10480880]

>>10465925
>doing a better job by doing a more accurate translation
No one cares about your autism.
Woolsey's scripts stand the test of time, only questioned by neckbe/a/rds. Only people with autism care about this kind of translation style.
Everyone that's normal and mentally healthy, don't have this problem.

[Anonymous No.10480983]

>>10480819
okay splatoonfag

[Anonymous No.10481709]

>>10468689
>damn if you do, damn if you don't
That's not how that phrase works. I really hope English isn't your first language because that would be really fucking embarrassing to not know how to speak it.

[Anonymous No.10482074]

>>10480681
Sorry but SOVL was the only term I could think of that encapsulated the entirety of the situation. The new game does that.