When did 30FPS become the standard? Most of the SNES games ran at 60fps. Even the PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles.

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Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:29:47 2023 No.10453598 [Reply] [Original]

When did 30FPS become the standard? Most of the SNES games ran at 60fps. Even the PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:31:30 2023 No.10453605 >>10453598 >SNES >PS1 Mostly 2D games

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:33:45 2023 No.10453612 >>10453598 >PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles. Nope

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:34:46 2023 No.10453614 30 fps never was the standard

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:36:00 2023 No.10453617

>>10453598
the sfc is not a benchmark for performance. and what do you mean became the standard? polygons happened. developers trying to capitalize on cinematic games neutered the industry prioritizing poly count over smooth play. now its the same thing, whatever bullshit they have to sell you on next.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:36:28 2023 No.10453618 >>10453614 ps2 era

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:36:54 2023 No.10453621 Japs are unironically not good at programming and fuck up framerate related stuff to this day. It just took them a long time figuring out how to cap at 30 frames and tie all logic to it

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:36:54 2023 No.10453620 >>10453598 >Even the PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles. lolno

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:38:10 2023 No.10453625 >>10453620 ps2 has more share of 60 fps titles than psx

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:38:57 2023 No.10453626 You can do more with 30 fps. The real issue is when framerate isn't consistent

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:40:54 2023 No.10453630 >>10453621 It’s way past time to stop giving FromSoft a pass for this sort of thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:43:54 2023 No.10453639 >>10453626 >You can do more with 30 fps. What can you do at 30fps that you can't do at 60?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:45:42 2023 No.10453641 >>10453639 More complex graphics since you're targeting a lower framerate. It's a cheap and easy way to squeeze more flash out of lackluster hardware.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:46:31 2023 No.10453645

>>10453614
30fps was always the standard.
That's the frame rate of proper interlaced NTSC.
60Hz / 2 (even lines + odd lines)

That standard stems from analog times and was hard to recreate with early digital electronics. So old consoles struggled to handle 480i @ 30fps (also interlacing can look bad in games) and instead they cheated by only sending the same half of the lines at every pass which gives you 240p @ 60fps (this is also what causes "scanlines")

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:47:32 2023 No.10453649 >>10453641 You can do that at 60fps too if the system is powerful enough. You said you can "do more" at 30. What can you do at 30 that is literally impossible at 60?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:47:59 2023 No.10453650 If you need your games to be in 60fps you're a permanent baby.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:49:37 2023 No.10453657 >>10453650 Why?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:49:38 2023 No.10453658 >>10453598 >Even the PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles. It really didn't and those that were are usually 480i. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFUB5Xau59g

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 12:59:29 2023 No.10453681 >>10453649 I guess literally nothing

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:06:44 2023 No.10453705 >>10453598 >Even the PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles LOL no the vast majority of games were 60fps until the move to 3D which resulted in a drop to 20-30fps.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:09:37 2023 No.10453715

>>10453645
>30fps was always the standard.
>That's the frame rate of proper interlaced NTSC.
That's using a fucked up definition of "frame rate" that predates video games. The temporal resolution is still 60Hz because the odd and even fields are not sampled at the same time (except in the case of telecined content with is always garbage and should never be watched). It should really be called 60 interlaced frames per second for consistency with modern terminology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:11:51 2023 No.10453718 >>10453657 Framebabies throw their pacifiers out of the proverbial pram at anything less 60.

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:12:00 2023 No.10453719

>>10453649
>You can do that at 60fps too if the system is powerful enough.
IF the system is powerful enough. IF.
>What can you do at 30 that is literally impossible at 60?
That depends on the hardware you're targeting. If you had an infinitely powerful system, then there would be nothing you wouldn't be able to do at 30 that you couldn't do at 60, 90, 120, etc.
Anyway, I'm not this anon: >>10453626

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:12:45 2023 No.10453723

>>10453649
Stop being a stupid cunt. Basic arithmetic tells you that dividing a given throughput (in this case, the PlayStation's power) more frequently (in this case, higher framerates) results in less output per task. Unsurprisingly, this made 60fps Final Fantasy VII on the PlayStation impossible. Were you singing the praises of real time ray tracing in 1997 as well, fuckhead?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:14:58 2023 No.10453727 The shift from 60 to 30 happened when the shift from who was making the games changed from game centric developers to failed wannabe Hollywood directors like Kojima

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:16:18 2023 No.10453734 File: 2.08 MB, 640x480, 1700748385364174.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10453727 this anon gets it

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 13:18:53 2023 No.10453739 >>10453598 Fwiw FF7 battles were capped to 15 fps

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 14:04:05 2023 No.10453847 >>10453598 >When did 30FPS become the standard? When consoles switched from tilemap graphics with a fixed 60Hz render period to framebuffer graphics with flexible rendering time. >Even the PS1 had mostly 60 fps titles. lmao, no.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 14:04:22 2023 No.10453848 >>10453727 correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 14:24:08 2023 No.10453903 >>10453598 Console performance + 30 being half v-sync of 60Hz, which most TVs are. That's more relevant to the PS2/3 era though and panels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 14:25:43 2023 No.10453909 >>10453718 True, wouldn't go under 60 FPS for anything modern. Preferably 120+.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 16:15:29 2023 No.10454212 >>10453650 Cope. Stop producing cheap Chinese garbage so your games look at least half presentable

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 16:32:26 2023 No.10454258 >>10453598 >Most of the SNES games ran at 60fps Source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 16:32:57 2023 No.10454261 >>10454258 My fps counter on the emulator

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 16:42:08 2023 No.10454289 Refresh rate =/= framerate 60Hz means you can have up to 60fps being shown on screen. 60fps on a 30Hz screen will only show 30fps. The framerate is also dictated by the game itself, not an emulator fps counter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 17:19:39 2023 No.10454381 >>10454289 yaah but if it isn't a 1:1 or dividable value it will teaaaaar

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 17:20:20 2023 No.10454383

>>10453650
this. most "normal/average" people aren't going to notice anything past 60fps (and if you actually do you're unironically autistic and probably get bothered by florescent lights) while others aren't going to notice a difference between 30 & 60 unless it's an actual side by side comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 17:35:16 2023 No.10454428 >>10453612 /thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 17:36:34 2023 No.10454435 >>10454383 >t. someone who has never played a game at 120fps with a 120hz monitor

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>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 17:50:26 2023 No.10454487 >>10454383 They definitely would if they would try.

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 21:27:27 2023 No.10455079 >>10453727 so it should've been 24fps then?

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:18:53 2023 No.10455171

>>10453598
>emulators run games at 60 fps i don't understand why real hardware doesn't
you never used real hardware don't you.
snes/megadrive/ps1
>all games ran at 24 fps NTSC
>PAL games ran at 29.5 fps
>only exception would be DOA for ps1 that was the only game in playstation library that ran at 60 fps on either version (DOA2 for xbox and ps2 ran at 24 fps)
next time inform yourself,even arcade games ran at 24 fps,herz doesn't equal fps and has never been related to frames (we had 110 herz TV and monitors since 2000 yet they never related to frames)
this is why is said most emulators are poorly done

>>	Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:41:59 2023 No.10455224 >>10455171 >>all games ran at 24 fps NTSC >>PAL games ran at 29.5 fps

Anonymous Mon Nov 27 22:47:01 2023 No.10455242
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>>10453650
When did this fucking board, built upon the golden era of games that was rife with technological advancement by leaps and bounds every year until the turn of the millenium, now parading its retardation by speaking against improvement?
If a company failed to deliver the framerate it promised in an arcade port, it was eaten alive.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:03:47 2023 No.10456035 No one cared about the fps cap until 10 years ago. The actual issue was slowdown/lag.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:09:20 2023 No.10456041 >>10453598 VN fans be like >1/10 fps is more my speed

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:26:42 2023 No.10456069 >>10453598 It wasn't an issue with CRT's It became a problem with LCD's due to motion blurring

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:43:51 2023 No.10456109 >>10453612 Game Sack's newest video was about PS1 titles that were solid 60FPS and it was about 25-30. Some looked pretty good!

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:44:14 2023 No.10456112 >>10453727 Retard. MGS2 was 60fps

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:44:33 2023 No.10456113 >>10453658 Ahh shit, I should have read the thread before I commented. Exact video I was talking about.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 04:46:13 2023 No.10456116 >>10456109 Game sack… is actually good. Have you noticed that classic game reviews has been trying to release the same type of compilation videos as gamesack. In hopes of hitting the algorithm jackpot, but nobody is taking the bait, kek.

>>	Dave Tue Nov 28 05:27:05 2023 No.10456243 File: 322 KB, 755x711, 1000083759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I always had lower end or older graphics cards so I don't mind 30fps at all I usually play games below 30fps to this day lol

>>	Dave Tue Nov 28 05:29:52 2023 No.10456250 >>10456116 >classic game reviews he sucks and you know what sucks even more? his sad attempt at making a comic book he was making pretty nice patreon money from dummies

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 05:59:41 2023 No.10456342 >>10456116 Love me some Game Sack. Miss Dave tho, it was better when they played off eachother. Joe's been doing a decent solo job tho. Never watched Classic Game Reviews.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 06:25:36 2023 No.10456414

>>10453681
>>10453649
The laws of physics actually mean that even after an infinite amount of years of technological progress, there will be things that are not possible at 60fps. Energy transfers can only be so efficient, atoms cannot be infinitely small, and e=mc2

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 06:42:12 2023 No.10456457 >>10456342 will he ever fix his teeth?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 08:26:21 2023 No.10456618 >>10454461 is that rob schneider?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 08:34:09 2023 No.10456626 >>10456243 30fps was pretty normal for pc gaming the whole 60fps autism is a relatively recent thing that was aggressively pushed by youtubers like TotalBiscuit

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 08:42:51 2023 No.10456636 >>10453723 What's wrong with real time ray tracing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 09:13:46 2023 No.10456665 >>10455242 you know the answer. It rhymes with groomer

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 10:48:43 2023 No.10456756 >>10455171 Tobal No.1 ran 60fps

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 11:23:43 2023 No.10456789

>>10455242
>If a company failed to deliver the framerate it promised in an arcade port, it was eaten alive
What are you talking about, barely any arcade port lived up to arcade original in the SNES era, it was pretty much impossible for it to. Only later ports of old games managed to capture the arcade experience

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 11:34:46 2023 No.10456810 >>10456636 >1997 >>10456789 Another RGBfag pretending console gaming in the 90's was all about bringing the arcade into the homes (still cannot explain why the best-selling titles were all console-exclusive kek)

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 12:38:00 2023 No.10456882 >>10456109 >7,918 games >30ish 3D ones are 60fps

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Anonymous Tue Nov 28 12:42:39 2023 No.10456886

>>10455171
Complete bullshit. No games ran at 24fps because it's not an integer divisor of 60fps. 2D games mostly ran at 60fps (with slowdown common on Nintendo consoles because they always cheap out on the hardware). 3D games mostly ran at 30fps or 20fps, with 60fps only rarely. 15fps/12fps/10fps wasn't unheard of. Arcade games generally had higher frame rates.

Divide all these numbers by 1.2 for PAL (and note that arcade games don't use PAL/NTSC).

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 12:53:03 2023 No.10456901 File: 34 KB, 1107x482, 2023-11-28-135051_1276x1048_scrot.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10456883 sorry zoomer, but ass cancer man and his Framerate Police was instrumental in pushing it

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 12:55:25 2023 No.10456907
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>>10456901
>zoomer
I guarantee I'm older than you retard

60fps was always the standard, everyone aimed for 60hz because most pc crts were 60 or 75hz monitors, it wasnt until the shitty ps3/360 era when pc was no long the primary platform that 30fps gained ground so of course that's why it became a topic at that time you absolute mong

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:02:22 2023 No.10456920 >>10456907 lmao no frame rate and refresh rate are different things, zoom zoom.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:08:01 2023 No.10456930 >>10453598 When framebuffered graphics became standard, so when the IBM PC started getting mainstream vidya support.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:09:38 2023 No.10456934

>>10456907
Developers aimed for factors of 60 (not limited to 60 itself) to avoid improper framepacing. It's less that developers aimed for 60 HERTZ specifically since that's the inevitable hardware the game was going to be played on (unless you're a sorry PALnigger like myself), but they did have to target a framerate 60 was divisible by.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:12:39 2023 No.10456941
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>>10456907
>60fps was always the standard,
Not on PC, on console. PC had the appeal of running older games smoother but new releases always choked. 7th gen brain damaged PC gamers into believing 120fps at max settings 1080p was the norm. Now they're still running at 1080p 15 years later.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:18:36 2023 No.10456953 >>10456934 >(unless you're a sorry PALnigger like myself), NTSC/PAL didn't matter at all for pc gaming.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:31:12 2023 No.10456971

>>10453641
>More complex graphics since you're targeting a lower framerate.
I can't think of a single practical situation where this is actually meaningful. You're increasing the polygon count but ensuring you will never have smooth animations. At best this gives you good screenshots to bait people browsing through a gaming magazine.

30 FPS is largely just a red flag that the developers either didn't have enough time to or didn't care enough to optimize the game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:34:11 2023 No.10456975 >>10456934 >>10456941 Look at any old PC magazines and the gold standard test was 60 fps.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:39:24 2023 No.10456983 >>10456975 >Look at any old Prove it. Show a new release.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 13:40:39 2023 No.10456986 >>10456975 Maybe, but the latest games always ran like shit. Don't even get me started on the ports, God PC gamers have it so good with ports these days

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 14:13:04 2023 No.10457062 >>10456983 He probably means benchmark tests using the latest high end 3D accelerator cards. Most users weren’t getting that experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 14:25:54 2023 No.10457091 >>10456953 Then explain why Doom (a pinnacle of PC gaming) targeted 35FPS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 15:36:07 2023 No.10457226 >>10456907 >most pc crts were 60 or 75hz monitors In the DOS era 70Hz was standard. Doom runs at 35fps because that's 70 divided by 2.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 15:38:28 2023 No.10457236 >>10457091 That's neither NTSC nor PAL.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 17:17:58 2023 No.10457491 >>10456971 You're moving the goalposts, bud. More complex graphics is a common reason for 30 instead of 60. Simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 17:31:44 2023 No.10457527 >>10456971 a lower framerate doesn't just give you headroom for better graphics, but also larger levels, more enemies on screen, physics, etc. The games themselves can become conceptually more ambitious at a lower framerate

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 17:44:46 2023 No.10457553 >>10455171 You got that backwards you retarded nigger. And it was fields per second, not frames per second, so it was equivalent of 60FPS, not 30FPS.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 17:49:36 2023 No.10457564 >ITT: Tech illiterate /v/ tourists It's not rocket science, my dudes. Come on now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 18:05:41 2023 No.10457598 >>10453598 >snes At that era no one talked about frame rate. No one. This is a revisionist discussion that is irrelevant. There was no standard.

Anonymous Tue Nov 28 18:13:57 2023 No.10457624

>>10457564
The board is so fucking tech inept it is unbelievable. Considering the board topic everyone should be at minimum in their late 20s or early 30s, which means they were front and center during the giant boom of home and portable technology, but yet 95% of the posts read like a grandmother in 2000 trying to access her e-mail.

>>	Anonymous Tue Nov 28 18:15:12 2023 No.10457627 Most of these games couldn't maintain the 60 fps to save their life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 01:04:45 2023 No.10458771 >>10456457 Ehhh I don't really care and I doubt he's out chasing women lol

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 01:22:30 2023 No.10458828 ITT: Absolutely wrong answers. OPs questions is wrong and gay too.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 01:50:32 2023 No.10458926 >>10453715 it's fucked up but it's factual. >called 60 interlaced frames per second not how it worked. takes two frames of odd/even lines to make 1 frame. this is how you end up with 30fps.

Anonymous Wed Nov 29 02:12:38 2023 No.10458975

>>10453847
You really had to go out of your way to make a 16 bit game run at 30 fps, you required extra logic to wait for an extra frame and do more calculations, it really had to be severe as it needed more work than just running at 60 fps. Streets of Rage 1 made the choice for the handful of times when you have a huge number of enemies on screen.

>>10457527
I think also because are moving into the screen so its less noticable at first than a sidescroller.

>>	Anonymous Wed Nov 29 17:11:24 2023 No.10460629 >>10453598 >Most of the SNES games ran at 60fps. [citation needed] >>10458975 >You really had to go out of your way to make a 16 bit game run at 30 fps SNES games frequently struggled to try to keep up at 60 FPS.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 02:51:45 2023 No.10462216 >>10460629 If you're talking about slowdown it was common on all 4th gen consoles

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 03:05:22 2023 No.10462253 >>10453598 The advent of 3D graphics made it harder to hit

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 03:27:30 2023 No.10462316 >>10453598 They learned early on consumers don't care.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 03:46:44 2023 No.10462363 >>10462216 Wrong, it was used for stylistic purposes occasionally on the other 16-bit hardwares, but performance problems were largely confined to the SNES, with it's severe relative lack of CPU power really holding it back.

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 03:48:55 2023 No.10462370 >>10462363 Are you one of the dumb cunts that thinks the MegaDrive didn't have slowdown?

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 03:59:40 2023 No.10462391 >>10453621 >Japs are unironically not good at programming lol

>>	Anonymous Thu Nov 30 04:12:45 2023 No.10462434 >>10462316 really why should we?

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