>if you can be creative like pic related
You've posted a misshapen launch (flat into inclined) into a misshapen loop. In one respect, that's not inconsistent with what I said - it's a "regular" dedicated launch element.
But, while it's done what it can with the lack of a larger loop track piece, granted, it's not so much justification for having an inclined launch that is essentially within the retarded loop and so is, for purposes of this complaint and this discussion, *exactly the same* as the original example of station->inclined launch->half loop.
A real coaster would have a proper large clothoid loop, or at least a compelling alternate loop design, that extends into the flat segment after that, with a continuous flat or *slightly* inclined launch leading into it.
You're kinda just arguing past me. At any rate, pushing the boundaries of coaster size is its own problem.