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10429008 No.10429008 [Reply] [Original]

Are you really supposed to pay 100-200 dollars for a flashcart? Am I missing something? Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?

>> No.10429010

>>10429008
>niche hobby is expensive

>> No.10429087

>>10429010
It seems too bad to be true

>> No.10429089

>>10429008
>>10429010
shouldve got a misterfpga

>> No.10429092

Chinese knock-off flash carts. They might fuck up your system if the craftsmanship is bad though.

>> No.10429142

>>10429010
It doesn't even seem that expensive to me. If you actually play NES games, 200 bucks for like 1000+ games.

>> No.10429151

>>10429008
If there's a clone then you can buy that. Pretty much the only way out. There's a clone of regular n8 if you don't mind the fds audio being more basic. Don't remember all the differences. But yeah you're going to get your ass hosed on the cartridge systems, generally. It was a hard pill for me to swallow but I've never really regretted getting one

>> No.10429163

>>10429008
Retroomers deserve to be gouged. Meanwhile a flash cart for something like the DS or 3DS is $15 because there are no idiots to exploit in that market.

>> No.10429167

>>10429008
*emulates for free*

>> No.10429169

>>10429008
You can make your own.

>> No.10429179
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>>10429008
Get a Chinese copy for 80 bucks instead. Or just emulate.
In hindsight, flashcarts and real hardware is fun, but emulation is the real answer. If you are currently emulating everything, just keep doing it.

>> No.10429182

>>10429008
get a job

>> No.10429184

>>10429163
>idiots to exploit
A DS cart is basically just an adapter that lets your DS read SD cards. A famicom flashcart requires an FPGA and the parts to make those are expensive. You are a retard.

>> No.10429186

>>10429008
Is it really that much considering what you're getting? Assuming you already have the console and TV to play it on

>> No.10429195

>>10429186
In the grand scheme of things I suppose it's fairly worthwhile and I do have the console and a nice CRT already. Just stings a little that the flashcart is the most expensive thing

>> No.10429203

>>10429092
Can you provide one example of that ever happening to anyone?
>>10429167
>tripfag
>having opinions

>> No.10429209
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10429209

>>10429008
chinese clones of the original N8 are cheaper. One thing to watch out for is that some of them will brick if you update with official firmware or firmware from a different clone (there's multiple clone firmwares).

>>10429151
Easy way to tell a pro is if it supports exfat and has usb. old N8 and clones only support fat32

>> No.10429210

>>10429008
Wow 100-200 dollars! That's so much for a kid who never held a job.

>> No.10429224

>>10429195
Ultimately it's your best option unless you're savvy enough to build one. Also be lucky it's a cartridge based system, it's cheap compared to a good ODE

>> No.10429230
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>>10429210
Yeah

>> No.10429231

If $100-200 is expensive to you, then stick with emulation, you shouldn't be blowing money on a hobby you can't afford. I just paid $200 to renew the registration on my vehicle, and that will expire in 2 years. My flashcarts have all lasted far longer than that, and they're all the old models that have limited lifespans.

>> No.10429241

>>10429231
>saving your money and living within your means
You're asking way too much of the under 50 crowd

>> No.10429294

>>10429184
The things retroomers tell themselves to justify the cost of their hobby are hilarious. The only retards are people paying a 10x markup for this trash.

>> No.10429327
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>>10429294
You're a fucking retarded nigger

>> No.10429335

>>10429167
Using the actual console still beats emulation even for past consoles, over half the time

Is nice to keep your stuff all locked up and just use a pc though

>> No.10429337

>>10429294
Is a retroomer someone who posts on /vr/ - retro games? Or specifically someone who spends money on retro things they like?

>> No.10429361

>>10429008
first off, what's an alternative? buying used games for 1/2 what a flashcart costs?
second, Krikzz is one guy. things like these benefit from large-scale production. alas, small-scale stuff can cost a lot. and I read he went through many production difficulties recently.
third, I recall back in 2007 or so I had an M3 flashcart that worked with GBA/DS. it cost me around $100. I can easily see a SNES flashcart today would cost $100-$200.
so I don't know, maybe you expected it to cost like a cheap pirated cart? or a burned CD-RW of Tekken 3, maybe? personally, I think the price is about what you'd expect, that's all.

>> No.10429367

>>10429294
Retard this is the part you need to build a famicom flashcart. By all means design one that is cheaper to build.
https://www.newark.com/altera/ep2c8q208c8n/cyclone-ii-fpga-8k-smd-2c8q208/dp/58M5904

>> No.10429381

>>10429008
Get a Wii and hack it, FCEultraGX is all you need.

>> No.10429394

>>10429367
Someone was working on an NES flashcart alternative to Everdrive and the long obsolete PowerPak, but NEVER came out, it was done i think in Russian.

>> No.10430092

>>10429008
They're developed and put together by a small group of people, not a big corp. Niche hobby handmade shit, especially quality stuff, is expensive
But think about it this way, you can play the entire library, plus romhacks and etc. for what is basically the cost of a handful of good games (or repro, and aliexpress repros are probably not well made and could damage your system and etc)
The thing basically pays for itself

>> No.10430257

>>10429008
>Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?
For NES, surely you can just emulate? Or, otherwise, aren't there Chinese knockoffs of the Everdrive that are about half the price?

>> No.10430367

>>10429008
redditfaggots obsess over getting the official everdrives when all the chinkclones are always like 70% less in price.
>B-B-But they stole krikzz work!!
go suck his dick if you want him to feel better

>> No.10430413

>>10429335
Very few consoles don't have good enough emulators for them. This is why I have a Saturn.
I also use a Wii fed into my CRT since I don't want ot have to use my desktop all the time for that. Most Wii emulators are good enough.

>> No.10430471

>>10429008
this is why you emulate plus you don't need to own a meme display just to play games that you can easily make them look better on a modern screen
muh 100 percent accuracy to how a crt looks is just being retarded
there's accurate shaders but no one actually uses them because they require a tv that costs 2000$

>> No.10430572

>>10429008
It's a niche product made by a few guys in Europe. Also, the more expensive flash carts like the one you posted include fpga chip which cost a pretty penny. There are always the knock offs that cost a fraction of that price, but as others have said they are always based on the older revisions of the card.

>>10430413
>Radiochan !!8R5IcuH3PgQ
Did you mean to use your trip out of /lgbt/?

>> No.10430618

>>10429008
>Are you really supposed to pay 100-200 dollars for a flashcart?
No. (You) are.
>Am I missing something?
No. You have an extra something.
>Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?
No. I'm good. (You), on the other hand, seem to be doing it all wrong.

>> No.10430656

>>10430471
Too bad. I already own 4 :-)
>>10430618
Thank (You) for the information

>> No.10430702

>>10430572
>Did you mean to use your trip out of /lgbt/?
It's obviously a janny, they're too lazy to log out most times.

>> No.10430729

>>10430413
>Most Wii emulators are good enough.

Not really but for NES and Genesis its fine, oh and GBA

>> No.10430945

im gonna get the clone of the n8 and sd2snes. only krizz im buying is the mega sd pro

>> No.10430960

>>10429008
$100 for nes :/
$100 for every game on the nes :O

>> No.10430979

>>10430960
$50 or less for a used Wii with the basics, easy to mod.

>> No.10431057

>>10430471
>accurate shaders but no one actually uses them because they require a tv that costs 2000$
Citation needed. For the TV price point and for the claim nobody uses CRT shaders.
What do you mean by $2000 tv? A HDR or a 4k display? You can get them much cheaper.
Do you believe people specifically buy UHD HDR displays to play roms?
Why do you think people don't use shaders? Do you have any metrics on this?

>> No.10431167

It's not that expensive if you get all the games

>> No.10431375

>>10429008
They used to cost even more.

>> No.10431463

>>10429008
>Are you really supposed to pay 100-200 dollars for a flashcart?
Chinese flashcarts exist for less than half the price.
>Am I missing something?
Yes.
>Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?
You could emulate.

>> No.10431481
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10431481

>>10429008
Build your own. It's probably only $20 in parts and a sacrificial Gyromite cartridge, right?

>> No.10432053

>>10429010

An chinkdrive is like 30 bucks if you wait for a sale. Krikkz should be thanked for his contributions to the community but his prices are boutque level. Only richfags should bother with it. If you're the type of guy who sweats spending 184 bucks on a hobby - don't buy Krikkz - there are people who have no problem spending that money and they are his target customers.

>> No.10432073

>>10430367
more like 70% less in build quality

>> No.10432305

>>10429361
>Krikzz is one guy. things like these benefit from large-scale production
nah, it's a bit bigger than that

>> No.10433923
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>>10429008
I didn't but it is not advisable not to. I got Chinese versions of the flashcarts because I couldn't afford the price of the legitimate ones. The problems with these Chinese versions range from missing features, high probability of catastrophic failure, supporting a regime with unfavorable policies towards business and minorities, with disdain to foreigners, and their pride in scamming people outside their country. While it is a premium for the flash carts it would be worth it alone to avoid all those risks. Besides, there's always emulation which is another way to go about playing your favorite games again.

>> No.10434159

>>10433923
take your antisemitic bitch ass back /leddit/

>> No.10434165

>>10433923
>missing features
You can install open source software onto the carts for a full feature set plus additional enhancements. At least, this is the case with the N64 ones and altra64.

>> No.10434180
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10434180

Not my problem.

>> No.10434195

>>10429008
>Are you really supposed to pay 100-200 dollars for a flashcart? Am I missing something? Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?
Krikzz products are all sold with premium, brand name pricing. You can get cheaper stuff that works just as well or better if you shop around.

>> No.10434198

>>10429008
I copped a Krzysiocart from some dude in Poland that makes them for $60. It kinda sucks desu. I wish I had coughed up the $ for Everdrive but I ordered it around the beginning of Ukraine conflict and people were saying he wasnt making them or unable to ship or some shit. I wanna play obscure translations and a lot wont work! :(

>> No.10434215

>>10430979
Last time I checked online, the Wii went for around $100.

>> No.10434291

>>10433923
Damn, chatgpt. You really did nail babages shitpostpics.

>> No.10434310

>>10434291
>Damn, chatgpt. You really did nail babages shitpostpics.
Well, you see, embracing the frugal gamer life with those Chinese flashcarts is a wild ride. Sure, it's like playing Russian Roulette with your game library, and you might accidentally endorse some questionable politics in the process.

>> No.10434338

Gonna do a pro-strat called "emulate on the computer" instead.

>> No.10434356

>>10429008
Everdrives use FPGA in combination with other special parts, they're not just some off-the-shelf things you'll find at Walmart or Best Buy. With that in mind, I personally decided that I might as well get a MiSTer FPGA which is basically all those flashcarts in one without requiring the original hardware.

>> No.10434379

>>10434356
>Everdrives use FPGA
Only on certain consoles. Consoles that didn't include any special chips in the cartridges (mappers, SVP, SFX etc.) don't need FPGA.

>> No.10434404

>>10434379
which consoles would those be, intellivision? even the atari 2600 supported bank switching which required additional hardware on the cartridge to support

>> No.10434542

>>10434404
>Which consoles?
Having a quick look on their website, these ones are listed as including FPGA:
- NES (mappers)
- SNES (SFX chip and others)
- MegaDrive (SVP chip)
- PCE (support for PC Engine CD, etc.)

The gameboy one supports various gameboy mappers but maybe these were implemented without an FPGA because I don't see FPGA in the GB EDS description.

>intellivision?
They don't list an intellivision everdrive on their website. There are intellivision flash carts available but they are made by others and I couldn't find out about mapper support.

The EverDrive Master System, Game Gear, GBA and Nintendo 64 (and Gameboy) carts don't seem to include an FPGA.

>> No.10434548

>>10434542
so in other words literally every single console with the exception of budget gameboy flash carts which don't support any games with a mbc (>90% of the library)

>> No.10434640

>>10434548
>literally every single console
You forgot N64.

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>>10434548
>>10434542
Simpler consoles can use other forms of programmable logic than an FPGA.
Here's my chinkshit Game Boy flashcart. The Altera Max II is a CPLD. That's sufficient to emulate Game Boy mappers.

>>10434640
Programmable logic is the best way to deal with bus multiplexing, which is used by at least the N64 and GBA that I know of (probably more). But you can handle that with a CPLD, you don't need an FPGA.

>> No.10434701

>>10434653
You don't even need a CPLD.,
Modern cheap ARM microcontrollers are fast enough for GameBoy cartridges
https://dhole.github.io/post/gameboy_cartridge_emu_1/

>> No.10434860

>>10434356
>I personally decided that I might as well get a MiSTer FPGA because a youtube told me to
>I don't understand what it is
Many such cases
>>10434548
>I only know of 4 consoles
Why are you even here?
>>10434653
Many older devices used CPLDs. It's not about how simple the console is, it's all about how simple the cart is. For example, v64s use a CPLD. I was amazed how long it took jesus krikzz to reverse engineer it. Most MD and PCE carts are very simple. The problem is zoomers want an oompa loompa and they/them want it now. I was happy with my game doctors and originals for the handful of games I wanted that they couldn't play. Kids would lose their shit if you asked them to do that today.

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10434871

>>10429294
>cost of their hobby
Gaming is one of the cheapest pastimes there is, based on an entertainment per dollar metric. Anyone making minimum wage and not paying rent can afford literally any holy grail item they want after a few weeks/months of working.

>> No.10434881

>>10431481
>sacrificial Gyromite cartridge, right?
You don't understand what that adapter does

>> No.10434882

>>10434871
especially when it comes to /vr/. hundreds of hours of content can be emulated on a crusty old laptop or even your phone.

>> No.10434932

>>10434871
>Anyone making minimum wage and not paying rent
So 99.999% of 4chan amirite

>> No.10436117
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10436117

>>10434542
>Nintendo 64
It does have an FPGA (Altera Cyclone II).

>> No.10436141

>>10429008
>$200 to play practically the entire library on a real console is expensive
i will never understand why people bitch about this. considering physical copies of some games exceed this cost on their own

>> No.10436148

>>10429008
Why are poor people like this? Go play the games on your phone for free. Noboby's stopping you from playing these games.

>> No.10436165

>>10429294
Poor people. Dumb, lazy, and angry.

>> No.10436195

>>10429008
Buy a relativity fun game for ANY Nintendo system for less money. After two fucking games, it pays for itself.

Why are poorfags the absolute worst fucking retards on this board?

>> No.10436202

>>10429294
>retroomers

imagine typing this unironically. Reddit levels of retardation

>> No.10436562
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10436562

>>10429008
Well, they're 20% off for Black Friday for about a week, if that helps.

I'm about to place an order to an Everdrive GB X7 because I wanna play Pokémon Crystal ROM hacks with a working RTC.

>> No.10436565

>>10429008
if you can't piece together your own flashcart, you deserve to be charged a premium

>> No.10436989
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10436989

>>10434881
You must be thinking about this adapter.
I'm not. I only name Gyromite because it's a pretty worthless game in general.

>> No.10437025

>>10430367
I bought a knockoff N64 Chinese flashcart and it stopped working within a week.

>> No.10437050
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10437050

>>10437025
Which one did you buy? And did you try replacing the SDCard? I'm thinking of getting a Super64.

>> No.10437059

>>10437050
That’s literally the one I bought. And no, I didn’t replace the SD card.

>> No.10437063

>>10437059
Never use the shitty stock sd cards that come from china lmfao whether it's a flashcart or an Anbernic always buy a good reputable sd card for it. You can get 64GB Sandisk cards for like 10-15 bucks.

>> No.10437065

>>10434871
>few months of slavery for a piece of plastic
Or you could emulate now, for free...

>> No.10437070

>>10434882
>hundreds of hours
More like [tens of] thousands.

>> No.10437072

>>10437063
Would a faulty SD card cause the N64 to be unable to read the cartridge at all?

>> No.10437080

>>10429008
If you can't afford it just download an emulator

>> No.10437093

>>10437072
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the game selection menu of that cartridge loads from the SD card. So if the card is bad I would expect it not to do anything.

>> No.10437263

>>10437072
Definitely try a new SD card before you consider it broken.

>> No.10437290

>>10437072
Faulty SD cards can cause a number of problems
Does it have issues when putting it in the computer?

>> No.10437309

>>10429008
Consider how much it would cost to buy a full library.

>> No.10437664

>>10429008
Is there any actual benefit to upgrade to the pro from the original

>> No.10437865
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10437865

>>10429008
>Are you really supposed to pay 100-200 dollars for a flashcart?
No
>Am I missing something?
Yes
>Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?
Pic related

>> No.10437873

>>10437865
>Oriental Legend 2
Based.

>> No.10438013

Just get a mister setup. It ends up being cheaper than getting all those individual flash carts especially for things like SNES, NeoGeo and CPS2. Also you don’t have to deal with the input lag of a software emulator.

>> No.10438871

>>10437059
>>10437072
Buys some chinese piece of shit to save money. Doesn't give two thoughts about the SD card. Probably doesn't comprehend the differences of the vast landscape of SD card choices that people have had to endure for a decade.

>> No.10438881

>>10437664
I don't think so. I have an original N8 for the Famicom. I bought an AV Famicom to use it with so I could stop using a damn adapter cartridge. Found out they've released newer firmwares so I can make the extra audio chips sound almost as good as real hardware even through an unmodified AVFami. Nice

I think the pro gives you more savestates and a better menu system. I don't know. Didn't seem like anything I needed.

>> No.10439184

>>10438013
everyone has the option of using an emulator, nobody buys a flashcart thinking it's the only way to play those games.

>> No.10439849

>>10438881
Yeah, was considering buying it during the BF sale but I don't really see a benefit over the original one I have
the new homebrew games don't really do it for me

>> No.10440748

>>10429142
It's $200, or you pay nothing and just emulate them.

>> No.10440773

>>10429008
>Is there some other way you are supposed to go about this?
https://fceux.com/web/download.html
thanks i could help, bro!