/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10415327]

And the title of the best 3D shmup goes to...

[Anonymous No.10415332]

>>10415327
>is shit compared to over shmups so he has to call it a 3D shmup even though the gameplay is 2D

[Anonymous No.10415338]

>>10415327

[Anonymous No.10415345]

>>10415338
kys?

[Anonymous No.10415348]

>>10415327
>3D shmup
A 3D shmup would be something like Space Harrier, Galaxy Force, or Star Fox
The games you posted have 3D graphics but no 3D gameplay

[Anonymous No.10415353]

>>10415345
Until someone starts posting 3D Shmups and not 2D Shmups with 3D graphics, it keeps the title.

[Anonymous No.10415356]

>>10415327
Einhänder and it isn’t even a question. Better presentation, better music, better graphics, and more unique gameplay even though radiant silvergun is also pretty unique.

[Anonymous No.10415359]

>>10415356
Let's not pretend Radiant Silvergun's graphics and music aren't spectacular either.

[Anonymous No.10415369]

>>10415359
Yeah I can’t disagree, but Einhänder is platinum to RS’s gold.

[Anonymous No.10415371]

>>10415356
>and it isn’t even a question
That's true, the question doesn't even make sense since it's 2D gameplay, and the game isn't even good but a typical Square graphics wank

[Anonymous No.10415383]

>>10415327
...R-Type Delta.

[Anonymous No.10415416]

[Anonymous No.10415423]

>>10415416
>VS
Better comparison.

[Anonymous No.10415430]

>>10415327
Einhander

Best shoot ‘em up I’ve ever played in my life.

[Anonymous No.10415451]

>>10415327
Both games are shit. Try a little harder, zoomie.

[Anonymous No.10415467]

>>10415451
I feel like you’re the same dip-shit that says the same post on every thread. Go fuck yourself, cock sucker.

[Anonymous No.10415473]

>>10415383
HOLY BASED

[Anonymous No.10415501]

Ikaruga, bitches

[Anonymous No.10415519]

>>10415501
Unfathomably based. Was just playing conquest mode on this masterpiece about an hour ago. I'm trying to get down the proper chain for 3-1. I know an easier chain for that part, but I'm leaving so many points on the table that it was bugging. My chains through levels 1 and 2 are very solid but 3 and 4 are a bitch

[Anonymous No.10415575]

>>10415327
border down unironically

[Anonymous No.10415612]

>>10415467

[Anonymous No.10415638]

>>10415327
Vertical Force for the Virtual Boy

[Anonymous No.10415661]

>>10415638
that’s a good one anon.

[Anonymous No.10415683]

The only thing I hate about Einhander is how only the first level looks cool and the rest is very run of the mill

[Anonymous No.10415697]

>>10415683
You again.

[Anonymous No.10415701]

>>10415683
it has it's moments, fighting a mech while pursuing a giant rocket about to take off is one of the game's highlights (fuck the spaceport tho)
>the rest is very run of the mill
how so? the only game that looks similar is rtype

[Anonymous No.10415704]

I tried my best to make Einhander gfcore, and I'll be honest, she enjoyed playing it for a while, also enjoyed the music... but eventually she kept losing all the time and I was the one making any advance in the game.
RSG? forget it lol, that's not gfcore at all, too hard for girls.

[Anonymous No.10415709]

>>10415704
incel website, scram

[Anonymous No.10416224]

THERE WAS A TIME
IN THE ERA OF GREAT CHAOS

[Anonymous No.10416227]

>>10415501
this shit looks retarded

[Anonymous No.10416363]

>>10416224
Based

[Anonymous No.10416384]

>>10415383
>>10415423
This game is insanely good and plays like god while sounding like heaven. Not into rtype at all but delta oozes game design chops and feels amazing to play

[Anonymous No.10417184]

>>10415327
Every time I think of Einhänder, I think of that one fujoshi artist who drew male Sonic characters gets raped.

[Anonymous No.10417230]

>>10415327
ENTER

[Anonymous No.10417239]

>>10416224
WHEN THE EARTH
AND THE MOON
WERE AT WAR WITH EACHOTHER

[Anonymous No.10417256]

>>10417239
A DAREDEVIL FROM THE MOON PILOTED A BIZZARRE AIRCRAFT

[Anonymous No.10417276]

>>10417256
IT WAS FEARED
AND BECAUSE OF ITS SHAPE
CALLED...

[Anonymous No.10417279]

>>10417276

[Anonymous No.10417487]

>>10417184
I'm interested.

[Anonymous No.10417508]

>>10415327
Dezaemon 3D

[Anonymous No.10417658]

>>10415501
This is the correct answer. Either that or something like Border Down or Chaos Field. But to satisfy OP I'll just say Einhander, didn't get the hype surrounding Silvergun (or Saturn shmups in general) when I actually tried it

[Anonymous No.10417660]

>>10417508
I still need to play this but from what I've seen it looks like a better Silvergun than Silvergun. Also need to check out Bangai-O and Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth at some point... Really regret playing only Saturn shmups and not more N64 and PS1 shmups

[Anonymous No.10417698]

Einhander had a great soundtrack haven’t seen anyone bring this up yet. Ikaruga only had two or so good songs. Just joining the thread.

[Anonymous No.10417710]

>>10417698
Einhander has the best overall sound design of any PS1 shmup. Everything just felt so large, mechanical and cinematic.

[Anonymous No.10417759]

>>10417710
yup the bosses were pretty varied
it also made me subconsciously hate krauts

>>10417698
so good they still include it in some recent FF/KH titles

[Anonymous No.10418045]

>>10417698
>gigafishcock G Darius chad power drills into the chat

https://youtu.be/1d8d5CdyAKA?t=34

[Anonymous No.10418641]

>>10418045
Sounds like SoR3 and by that I mean it sounds shit

[Anonymous No.10418697]

>>10415519

[Anonymous No.10418752]

To pic related

[Anonymous No.10418758]

>>10418641
>SoR3
I've seen Anons starting to say SoR3 has the best OST in the series. Dunno if it's just pure contrarianism because everyone always agreed that SoR3 has the worst music in the series BY FAR
SoR2's OST is god tier then you get fucking SoR3. I'd rather play SoR1 even if it feels almost a gen older

[Anonymous No.10418875]

>>10415327
Step aside for the 32 bit goat. https://youtu.be/QSShngXBSIs

[Anonymous No.10418895]

Border down

[Anonymous No.10418897]

is this a troll thread??????

[Anonymous No.10418906]

>>10417230
>>10418897
>>10415423
based
but this one was NEVER PORTED TO ANYTHING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myivpqcqkKk

[Anonymous No.10418942]

>>10418897
3d?

[Anonymous No.10418943]

>>10415327
Silpheed

[Anonymous No.10419007]

>>10415451
How rent free do Zoomers live in your head that when anyone says an opinion you disagree with all you can do is use a meaningless word. At least provide an argument for why the games are shit.

[Anonymous No.10419124]

>>10418875
Thunder Force IV is better imo

[Anonymous No.10419158]

>>10415327
Blocks your path. The bullet hell sub genre is a gimmick that only appeals to massive autists.

[Anonymous No.10419259]

>>10418897
This is overdesigned slop

[Anonymous No.10419626]

>>10415501
Ikaruga is so fucking hard. I just can't handle it.

[Anonymous No.10419691]

>>10419626
I would tell you to “just get good” but then again I took 2 Adderalls just to beat it on normal mode last year.

[Anonymous No.10419746]

>>10418906
not my problem, it runs perfectly on mednafen

[Anonymous No.10419830]

>>10419691
I was on Adderall XR too and still couldn't do it. Complete ball-buster of a game. Radiant Silvergun is zen by comparison.

[Anonymous No.10419846]

>>10415501
Does ikaruga have any DEEP LORE? The ship design is bizarre

[Anonymous No.10419869]

>>10418906
Its either getting or already got a release on PS4.

[Anonymous No.10419909]

>>10419846
>DEEP LORE?
The term is "background story".

[Anonymous No.10420226]

>>10415327
My favorite is thunderforce 4. Cool music and the energy sword is a pretty badass power up.

[Anonymous No.10420242]

>>10415430
>>10416224
>>10416224
>>10417239
>>10417230
>>10417256
>>10417276
>>10417279
>>10418895
>>10419124
>>10420226

[Anonymous No.10420428]

>>10415327

[Anonymous No.10420825]

>>10419259
GET GOOD

[Anonymous No.10420856]

>>10419869
not out yet
but good lookin anon
i might be picking up a copy
even though i hate limited releases
one of my all time favorite shmups

nebulas ray is forever a deepcut
which is a shame

[Anonymous No.10420859]

>>10420825
Get good games instead of this autistic garbage? Absolutely.

[Anonymous No.10420863]

>>10420859
cave gets all the hate because they're the best

[Anonymous No.10420897]

>>10417658
After the DC's demise, I was pissed every time they announced another shmup rather than different types of games. Only now can I appreciate what gifts Chaos Field, Border Down, and Under Defeat were. Under Defeat is probably my favorite, Border Down is incredible, but tough as nails. Chaos Field's music can carry the game on its own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKhxRuZ0-Eg

[Anonymous No.10421007]

radiant silvergun is so fucking good, I really recommend it

[Anonymous No.10421049]

>>10415383
I love how Einhander basically made Irem step the fuck up and make R-Type Delta stylish. And of course all of that went away with R-Type Final.

[Anonymous No.10421053]

>>10420897
After playing probably over a dozen shmups on Saturn, Border Down, Chaos Field, and Ikaruga were like a breath of fresh air to me. Finally an actual step up from 16-bit

[Anonymous No.10421843]

>>10421007
4 frame lag on mednafen AND original hardware
very poor optimization

[Anonymous No.10421990]

>>10415416
>>10415423
Are webms not allowed sound on /vr/ or something? Just curious.

[Anonymous No.10421995]

>>10421843
3 frames on real hardware.

[Anonymous No.10422051]

>>10418875
This is the correct answer. Radiant Silvergun is second. I’d say Border Down is third. Then Einhander which is also great. I couldn’t really get into Ikaruga, but haven’t tried all that much. Layer Section 2 is ok but not as good as the first one.

Star Soldier: Vanishing Earth on the N64 is not in the same league as any of these games. That said, I always see it get shit on hard when its actually decent. Like its easy and relatively simple but theres nothing wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.10422079]

>>10415327

[Anonymous No.10422082]

>>10421990
the only board I know of that allows webms with sound is /wsg/

[Anonymous No.10422091]

>>10422079
I love the overall atmosphere and sound design of this one a lot.

[Anonymous No.10422137]

>>10421995
2 too many
All PSX games have 1-2 frames of delay, saturn was shit for lag management because of clunky 2 cpu architecture

[Anonymous No.10422139]

>>10422082
that’s so gay

[Anonymous No.10422140]

>>10422079
only ever got to stage 4 with my gf.
of course I've beaten it playing alone.

[Anonymous No.10422371]

>>10422079
BASED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJjVFMLw_LM

[Anonymous No.10422602]

>>10422137
It got nothing to do with the dual CPU, it's all input reading microcontrollers fault in how it buffers inputs.

[Anonymous No.10422676]

>>10415371
>Muh not true three dee!

[Anonymous No.10424424]

>>10415356
Holy shit not even close my guy.

[Anonymous No.10424676]

>>10420428
this is a very patrician choice. both raystorm and raycrisis fucking rule. I do wish they had scoring extends like rayforce but getting good is always an option

[Anonymous No.10424689]

>>10424424
>my guy
Back to twitter, retard.
Also Silvergun sucks.

[Anonymous No.10424707]

>>10421843
How's the PC port?

[Anonymous No.10425034]

>>10424707
same as mednafen/x360, 4 frames
theoretically if you have a REALLY good CPU, you can runahead 1 frame

[Anonymous No.10425841]

>>10421843
>>10422137
How they should be calculating lag is: whatever original hardware is should be set to baseline zero, and any other ports should be how many additional frames of lag they have (e.g., +1 frame, +2 frame) That's a more useful metric.
If the original hardware of any game had input lag, I assume the developers controlled the design and difficulty for it. The reason input lag is so annoying is that muscle memory doesn't work when newer ports have more lag than the original.

[Anonymous No.10427589]

>>10415327
Nice covers. It's like looking back into another time, when life was better. I think I need to be alone for a bit now...

[Anonymous No.10427606]

>shmup thread
>all normie youtuber recs aside from a couple actually good games

\vr\ sucks now
shameful

[Anonymous No.10427831]

Einhander is easier to get into, Silvergun is more complex takes a bit getting used to but overall way better

[Anonymous No.10427834]

>>10427606
>muh youtubers
Excuses and boogeymen.

[Anonymous No.10429265]

>>10427606
>everything is bad except cave
kill all scoringfags, burn them alive

[Anonymous No.10430557]

>>10429265
>kill all scoringfags, burn them alive

[Anonymous No.10430568]

>>10418943
/thread

[Anonymous No.10430585]

Anyone got tips for me? When I play shmups I lose track of where I am. It's like when the screen starts getting covered with enemies/bullets my eyes kind of glaze over and I don't really know where to look. It's the one thing holding me back with this genre.

[Anonymous No.10431003]

>>10415327
G Darius is better than both

[Anonymous No.10431013]

>>10427606
>heh muh cave shooters aren't normie tier
They are literally the most normie tier scroll shooters. More zoomers have played them than Gradius

[Anonymous No.10431036]

>>10415327
RS is an absolute masterpiece. Einhander is a good PS1 Shmup, but it's not even in the same league as RS. Einhander is a game like Earthbound that has been bolstered by redditors beyond how good the game actually is.

[Anonymous No.10431079]

>>10420897
@ :43 Holy shit!