/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10384265]

How do you beat the fucking torture section? I don't want to let the girl die but I can't last long enough. I assumed the third round would be the last but when the fourth round started my arm was dead. Bad enough I didn't save and had to replay the backtracking section and fighting Sniper Wolf again, but now I can't outlast the torture no matter how many times I try.

Do the other games do this shit? I hate it.

[Anonymous No.10384276]

>>10384265
just escape faster

[Anonymous No.10384287]

>>10384265
2 is the only good MGS. This garbage is one of the reasons why
>hehe buy a cheat controller if you want the proper ending

[Anonymous No.10384290]

>>10384287
>"Don't even think of using auto-fire, or I'll know."

[Anonymous No.10384291]

>>10384287
wouldn't even be so bad hadn't they made it near impossible. it's so stupid

[Anonymous No.10384294]

>>10384287
The guys says a turbo controller won't work, but I don't know if it's bullshit. Does the new collection have some kind of accessibility feature? It seems like surviving would be literally impossible for a lot of players.

[Anonymous No.10384303]

>>10384290
The buttonmashing in 2 is way easier unless you play on extreme

[Anonymous No.10384304]

>>10384265
desu this is why I’ve only ever played MGS1 on easy.

[Anonymous No.10384308]

>>10384294
From what I understand, the game will check how fast you're hitting the button and if it determines that it's too fast to be done by a human, Ocelot will deep-fry Snake right on the spot.

[Anonymous No.10384309]

>>10384304
If I had known about it I might've too. Also I think every boss fight kind of sucks so far. It's like the game wasn't designed for combat at all. The sneaking is good but there's way more boss fights than I expected. But anyway I'm five hours in and I can't restart now. I just want the good ending and I can't get past the torture section.

[Anonymous No.10384317]

>>10384290
>>10384294
I used a turbo controller back in the day and had no issues. Apparently Ocelot can only 'detect' turbo if it's beyond a certain speed, which I'm guessing my cheap ass Madcatz couldn't reach.

[Anonymous No.10384345]

>>10384317
So insanely cruel

[Anonymous No.10384387]

Wait, are people actually pressing the button rapidly? Don't you kids know how to cheat button mashing games?

1) The Pinch
Pinch your thumb and index finger together to where the tips of your fingernails are touching. Find a good angle for your hand and the controller so you can rapidly flick your pinched together thumb and index finger across the edge of the button. When doing it right, the peak formed by your fingernails should rapidly press the button, and the motion is similar to strumming a guitar.

2) The Spoon
Get a metal spoon. Using the round bottom of the spoon, rapidly move it back and forth on the button. This takes a good deal of practice to get the hang of hitting the button rapidly instead of holding it down, but it's highly effective. I don't know anyone who owned a copy of Track & Field back in the day who didn't know about and use the spoon technique. I highly doubt there was a single record for Track & Field sent into Nintendo Power that wasn't gotten with the spoon.

[Anonymous No.10384395]

>>10384265
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ4lmAFB7d4
skill issue

[Anonymous No.10384402]

Place a tube of chapstick (or other small, cylindrical item) on the action button, mash as hard as you can. Don’t stop after the torture stops, you have like a whole extra second of recovery in there to get your health up

[Anonymous No.10384405]

Oh, and the motion should come from your shoulder and bicep, not your wrist and fingers.

[Anonymous No.10384517]

>>10384265
Thank you for making me like these games a little bit more.

[Anonymous No.10384528]

>>10384265
>he didn't use the spoon trick
Lmao, kids these days are ngmi

[Anonymous No.10384614]

>>10384303
Is this actually true?

[Anonymous No.10384681]

>>10384265
Ok, anon, I can help. First off, this is a skill issue. I suck at tapping buttons fast, and I've accepted that I'll never be able to get gud at it either.
What I do in this scenario is place my thumb and index finger together into an 'OK' position, then brace the controller flat against my leg. Then for whatever button I want to press rapidly, I position the fingernail flat against the either side of that button. The motion you want to do is to pass your fingernail over to the other side of the button then return to it's original position. Then spam that motion as fast as you can. With one complete motion you get 2 presses of the button. You can multiply your pressing speed 2X if not more depending on your endurance. You will get tired eventually, but you will get less tiered than conventional button-pressing. Hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.10384683]

>>10384614
Fuck yeah it is. I played on European Extreme, and the torture section almost filtered my run.

[Anonymous No.10384740]

>>10384683
Euro extreme in 2 is just unreasonable in general. The fatman fight felt like an RNG where depending on where the bombs got placed you might just be fucked no matter what.

2 is the only MGS game that I felt was really imbalanced at the highest difficulty level.

[Anonymous No.10384763]

>>10384683
But that anon said MGS2 buttonmashing is easier than in 1 (where it's imo impossible). I want to reply 2 but not if it has such a dumb design flaw

[Anonymous No.10384820]

>>10384265
>>10384763
Also, keep mashing the button even after Ocelot turns off the voltage. You can still replenish your health bar invbetween zaps.

[Anonymous No.10384990]

>>10384820
Why quote me? Above you. I wonder where the buttonmashing is easier in 1 or 2 and if it's easily doable in MGS without auto fire on normal difficulty

[Anonymous No.10384998]

>>10384265
Give up, the "bad" ending is better

[Anonymous No.10385000]

>>10384820
Why quote me? Above you. I wonder where the buttonmashing is easier in 1 or 2 and if it's easily doable in 2 without auto fire on normal difficulty

Did anyone ever compare?

[Anonymous No.10385126]

>>10384265
the other ending is better though

[Fair-minded Anon !TA0T5gpKEQ No.10385201]

Guessing this is yet another troll thread. I beat the torture in 1 and 2 on all difficulties as a child. 2 on Extreme is piss hard though and I remember that and almost all bosses taking a while, but once you learn the bosses you can beat them all in multiple different ways without getting hit. Hardest I remember are Vamp, Harrier, Ray. Fatman can take a while since you have to run around a lot but there is nothing imbalanced or unfair in either 1 or 2. If you can't button mash then the problem is you don't know how to generate force efficiently. If the main thing moving is your thumb joint then think about anatomy a little more. Practice tapping your thigh by only moving your thumb, you will feel difficulty and restriction, now do it by moving your whole arm up and down and only slightly twitching your thumb, it will feel a lot smoother, faster, and natural. As an adult, without certain sports or dexterity-based exercises like playing an instrument, humans develop an unnatural way of movement as they forget the basics functions that came so natural as a child. Most people dom't walk or run properly, for example, and develop bad feet, knees and hips later in life as a result. Effect of living in our modern, unnatural habitat.

[Anonymous No.10385220]

>>10384265
The only people who think this game has good writing haven't read anything past The Berenstain Bears.

[Anonymous No.10385227]

>>10384387
I just map buttons to a shift key and set a timer. Nobody who uses cheap gimmicks like this should be making video games. MGS is like the Breaking Bad of video games: gimmicky shit that appeals to the uncultured.

[Anonymous No.10385259]

Imagine if Darth Vader was called Liquid Skywalker. That's the caliber of writing in this game.

[Anonymous No.10385364]

>>10385220
>>10385259
>incoherent babble
Leave.

[Anonymous No.10385448]

>>10385201
Or just play it on easy and enjoy the movie game without destroying your thumb and gamepad lmao

[Anonymous No.10385525]

>>10385448
Can you change it after you start?

[Anonymous No.10385548]

>>10384294
>Does the new collection have some kind of accessibility feature? It seems like surviving would be literally impossible for a lot of players.
Even the old games had the accessibility feature of letting the player submit if they're not up to enduring the torture.

[Anonymous No.10385564]

>>10385525
Unfortunately I don’t think so.

[Anonymous No.10385584]

>>10384820
>Also, keep mashing the button even after Ocelot turns off the voltage. You can still replenish your health bar invbetween zaps.
This made all the difference for me. Maybe I wouldn't have beaten it if not for this.

Also, just pause the game and rest, anon. That simple

[Anonymous No.10385613]

>>10384287
the torture escape on mgs2 european extreme difficulty is the hardest part of the game unironically

[Anonymous No.10385619]

>>10384265
Every mgs has a torture escape sequence, it's part of the solid snake simulation we all went through.

[Anonymous No.10385636]

>>10385584
I didn't think about that. You can pause during the cutscenes? That will help.

[Anonymous No.10385679]

>>10385619
True, but the original’s is punishingly difficult even on normal.

[Anonymous No.10385682]

>>10384287
meanwhile in MGS3
>just have the item menu open bro.

[Anonymous No.10385697]

I think the boss fights in Metal Gear Solid suck, and the game is like 1/3 boss fights

[Anonymous No.10385846]

>>10385364
Read a book.

[Anonymous No.10385992]

>>10385697
Its been atleast a decade but the frustration i feel from never beating the liquid snake/rex fight still remains. Ive finished every mainline mgs game except 5 (so far) but that mgs1 boss fight haunts me. Guess i can try again one day.

[Anonymous No.10385996]

those remasters are not retro

[Anonymous No.10386015]

>>10385992
Get between its legs and avoid the penis laser

[Anonymous No.10386047]

>>10385996
The version of MGS1 included in the collection is just a straight port of the PS1 version.

[Anonymous No.10386175]

>>10384265
Don't worry, you get a better and more fun ending if the girl dies.

[Anonymous No.10386183]

>>10385619
In mgs2 the torture scene where raiden is getting strangled is gay shit but in mgs3 you just watch or skip a cutscene.

[Anonymous No.10386194]

>>10384265
put your controller on the floor
sit on the floor too (you want a stable surface, no beds or legs)
put your thumb and index finger in a guitar picking position
flick the edge of the circle button to survive the later torture stages like it's a guitar
this is how we did it back in the 90s

[Anonymous No.10386518]

>>10384287
The Otacon ending is the good ending anyway so who cares

[Anonymous No.10386530]

>>10386518
imagine thinking this is canon

[Anonymous No.10386546]

>>10386530
Pretty gay to remake it like that.

[Anonymous No.10386547]

>>10384265
Easy. Just slide your finger back & forward rapidly on the button you're suppose to press. It's better than tapping.

[Anonymous No.10386578]

>>10385636
You can pause when you're back in the cell. Simple.

[Anonymous No.10386584]

>>10386578
Oh, now I get what you mean.

Literally git gud, dude

[Anonymous No.10386748]

I can't fucking do it. It's so hard. If you could win by getting through three rounds, that would already be really challenging, but four is just impossible.

[Anonymous No.10386778]

>>10386748
What difficulty are you playing on? Have you taken the advice in the thread?
1.Slide your fingernail back and forth across the button.
2.Keep pressing the button even after Ocelot stops the electricity to regain health.
3.Escape from your jail cell so you don't have to attempt multiple torture sessions.
I'm not sure, but can't you use rations mid-torture?? Also, git gud. It's hard but not that hard.

[Anonymous No.10386781]

>>10386530
It's actually paying attention to detail, in the original kojombo forgot otacon twisted his ankle and couldn't walk well but in tts he's falling on his ass all the time

[Anonymous No.10386796]

>>10386778
I've tried. I know to keep pressing even after the juice stops, but I can't make it to a jail cell. I can't make it farther than the fourth round. I haven't read anything about being able to use rations. That would help a lot, but my arm is too tired to try again right now.

[Anonymous No.10386989]

Is it possible to construct a bump stock for a PS5 controller?

[Anonymous No.10387028]

>>10386778
>use rations mid-torture
Haha that's a good one... He was also stripped of all of his gear.

[Anonymous No.10387086]

I don't know what to do guys. I seriously might drop the game over this.

[Anonymous No.10387397]

>>10386015
Also use chaff grenade for first phase and stun grenade for when liquid is visible.

[Anonymous No.10387409]

>>10387086
Look i dont know what to tell you i did without that much trouble on normal and didnt even use meme technique.

[Anonymous No.10387620]

>>10387086
Just keep trying, friend. If I can do it, you can do it. Use the advice in this thread and if that doesn't help enough, watch some youtube videos of diffrent folks doing it. It should inspire you.

[Anonymous No.10388365]

in mgs1 can otacon deliver shit to you.

if so how.

[Anonymous No.10388420]

>>10388365
No

[Anonymous No.10388460]

How can I construct a device to rapidly press the O button for me?

[Anonymous No.10388630]

>>10388420
ty

[Anonymous No.10388634]

Is this bait

[Anonymous No.10388689]

>>10388634
No, OP is correct. The torture sequence is bizarrely difficult to get through in MGS1 when playing on normal difficulty or above.

[Anonymous No.10388719]

>>10384265
Play Integral, they nerfed it so its 3 rounds on all modes instead of just easy

[Anonymous No.10388740]

Sort of unrelated since I’m playing the HD collection on vita right now. Would you guys say the vita port is good? I still need to play the first game and I’m trying to figure out the best/easiest way. You can’t get the first game on vita anymore without modding it and I have a steam deck and a PlayStation classic that have the game installed already, so I may just play it on one of those.

[Anonymous No.10388750]

>>10388740
I’ve played the Vita versions of MGS2 and Snake Eater multiple times and never noticed any glaring issues. Certainly a lot better than Snake Eater 3DS.

[Anonymous No.10388779]

>>10388689
I can get through that with ease. Heck I tend to beat MGS1 without saving!

[Anonymous No.10388780]

>>10388719
That's a good change. Lasting three rounds is still a challenge but I'm able to do it. Lasting four is insanely hard.

[Anonymous No.10389446]

are people really this bad at button mashing? how fucking senile can you be? it's button MASHING, not button PRESSING, use your fucking arm you fucking pussies

[Anonymous No.10389521]

>>10389446
It's insanely hard. Passing one round isn't hard. Two isn't even bad. Three is tough but doable. But four is nearly impossible.

[Anonymous No.10389572]

>>10389446
to be fair, most people are probably playing the new release on Switch, which has really stiff and clicky buttons that are terrible for mashing. The psx/ps2 controllers had much softer buttons that needed less distance to register presses

[Anonymous No.10389591]

>>10386530
I told you about stairs otacon

[Anonymous No.10390081]

>>10389446
Zoomers didn't grow up playing games like Track & Field, so they never developed those skills. Their vegan noodle arms don't have the attributes required to button mash effectively.

[Anonymous No.10390232]

>>10387086
How much harder did they make the torture or did you start your first playthru on Extreme difficulty?

[Anonymous No.10390281]

>>10385697
I agree that in mgs and other games I mostly enjoy the sneaking parts and not boss fights that much. Maybe the bosses are interesting if you can just skip the fight or kill the bosses at multiple parts of the game. Deus Ex 1 is good at this and Mgs3 has more than one place, time and way to kill The End.

Some stealth games fuck you over a bit because if you are familiar with sneaking games, then you might not have to fight a single time or upgrade your weapons or anything. Of course it's smart to hoard stuff just in case, but Deus Ex Human Revolution had this problem a bit on my first playthru. I played the original one where the bosses just literally take 1000 bullets and that's their thing, but I read that directors cut had more than one way to kill the bosses.

[Anonymous No.10390296]

>>10389446
>>10389521
It's almost like the player is tortured like Snake is and if you give up the game directly insults you. I don't think button smashing good and I will never attempt it on Extreme ever, but I think the story and setup is clever.

[Anonymous No.10390306]

best way to mash is lay index finger flat and slide back and forth over the button

[Anonymous No.10390979]

>>10388740
I can also vouch for MGS HD on Vita. Just remember that you use the dpad for formerly pressure sensitive controls like raising/lowering your gun.

[Anonymous No.10391014]

>>10390296
IIRC, if you call Campbell between rounds, Naomi can answer and massage your arm via controller vibration.

[Anonymous No.10391019]

>>10390306
I use my thumb but grip that side of the controller with an open palm and sorta vibrate my arm engaging all the muscle fibers.

[Anonymous No.10392021]

>>10391014
That felt so good, it really helped your arm

[Anonymous No.10392183]

>>10386748
Why aren't you using the Ketchup after the second attempt you retard?

[Anonymous No.10392184]

>>10392183
I can't get to that part. I can get to the fourth round of electricity and I die.

[Anonymous No.10392186]

>>10388689
Nigger, 14 year old me managed to do it back then and I was a skeleton. Unless you have a wrist the size of a pen and an index finger the size of a toothpick you have no excuse.

[Anonymous No.10392189]

>>10392184
What the fuck? Are you trolling? I refuse to believe a grown man can't even get past one torture sequence.

[Anonymous No.10392198]

>>10392189
I can get past three rounds but I die in the fourth.

[Anonymous No.10392224]

>these grown men struggling with a kids game
anyway the best technique is to use 2 hands and alternate them pressing the O button/whatever button you have to press, its much faster and easier than only using one hand or some boomer spoon trick

[Anonymous No.10392230]

Metal Gear was never good.

[Anonymous No.10392323]

https://youtu.be/ppDO4ZBiXuo just flex your arm you pussies

[Anonymous No.10392327]

>>10392230
neither is the sex with your mom but I still do it every night

[Anonymous No.10392336]

>>10392186
what the fuck does being skinny have to do with pressing buttons fast?

[Anonymous No.10392351]

>>10392336
see >>10392323
the best way to button mash is flex your arm and use your whole arm muscle, that's why you could call Naomi and she'd make your controller vibrate so you could massage your arm after mashing

[Anonymous No.10392354]

use your index or middle finger, not your thumb

[Anonymous No.10392459]

>>10389446
Button mashing sections are disrespectful IRL of consumers / hardware owners and has nothing to do with git gud

[Anonymous No.10392468]

>>10392459
skill issue

[Anonymous No.10392480]

>>10384265
>How do you beat the fucking torture section? I don't want to let the girl die but I can't last long enough.

so they give you an option that specifically caters to your situation and you still won't take it? gamers are the worst

[Anonymous No.10392483]

>>10392459
nothing is wrong with disrespecting the playerbase unless you're making sanitized shit

[Anonymous No.10392902]

>>10392480
>given the option to give up
>have my honor STAINED by my willingness to give up despite my lack of skill
fuck you, honorless dog. YOU'RE the worst.

[Anonymous No.10393115]

>>10386530
>Implying anything Twin Snakes is canon
>playing Twin Snakes

[Anonymous No.10393161]

>>10384740
I remember bosses can kill you in one hit on EE. What the fuck were they thinking?

[Anonymous No.10393303]

>>10393161
Skill. EE doesn't have to pander to scrubs. You either have the willingless to learn and pratice until you can do it or you can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10393469]

>>10384265
>>10384287
Literally lift, Kojinma appealed to the Socratean ideal of physical and mental strength, if you can’t press buttons fast enough, you shouldn’t be allowed to get the girl, simple as

[Anonymous No.10393841]

>>10393115
It's the same story. Also there's nothing wrong with Twin Snakes. You're just jealous that the PS2 never got a port. Lol

[Anonymous No.10393967]

>>10393841
>You're just jealous that the PS2 never got a port. Lol
not really as i could still play MGS1 on it and not the shittier remake that has plenty wrong with it.

[Anonymous No.10393970]

>>10393841
>You're just jealous that the PS2 never got a port. Lol
and you are jealous gamecube never got MGS2 and 3 lmao.
twin snakes is literally the worst retro mgs

[Anonymous No.10394082]

>>10393967
There's nothing wrong with it. It's a visual upgrade, unlike the PS1 version.

>>10393970
Nope & nope. I own MGS2 & MGS3 on the Xbox 360. MGS2 is the only bad MGS game due Solid Snake being replaced by Raiden and the majority of the game taking place on some hexagonal oil rig.

[Anonymous No.10394125]

>>10394082
>nothing wrong with twin snakes
>MGS2 is bad because you dont play as snake
alright im arguing with a brainlet,got it.

[Anonymous No.10394131]

>>10394082
>There's nothing wrong with it. It's a visual upgrade, unlike the PS1 version.
graphics fags should hang themselves.

[Anonymous No.10394284]

>>10394125
False. You're the brainlet for thinking MGS2 is better than Twin Snakes.

>>10394131
You sound triggered.

[Anonymous No.10394312]

>>10394284
>False. You're the brainlet for thinking MGS2 is better than Twin Snakes.
where did i say that ?
all im saying is twin snakes is a worst version of MGS1,MGS2 is among my least favorite MGS but its certainly not just because you dont play as snake and thats your problem you only look at the games superficially.
>graphics are better so game is better
>game is bad because character looks gay
like a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.10394412]

>>10384265
I just came to the thread to say I never thought I'd see this again. I figured the game would be so super saturated in the gamer culture that kids would absorb the EpIC KoJiMa MaDneSs passively. It's 2005 again in this thread and I like it.

[Anonymous No.10395416]

>>10394412
I absolutely love Death Stranding and I've played it twice. This is my first time playing Metal Gear, and I'm liking it, but the gameplay feels like it still needs a little bit of refining. I'm looking forward to playing the later games though.

[Anonymous No.10395430]

lmfao casuals

i beat it first try yesterday and hadnt played through mgs1 in 15 years

[Anonymous No.10395449]

>>10393469
BASED

[Anonymous No.10396472]

I guess I'll try again later tonight.

[Anonymous No.10396967]

>>10384287
>>10384265
Get good scrub, or at least use the spoon trick.

[Anonymous No.10399339]

>>10395416
I think 1 and 3 are the series' best, but I understand that MGS1 would feel rough these days. Lots of the developments in the PS2 era are night and day differences, and Subsistence (3) adding the rotating camera (instead of the isomorphic view) changed everything.

After that everything is downhill (except maybe Peacewalker), so enjoy the ride.

(I never played DS. MGSV is the last Kojima title I touched, for better or worse.)

[Anonymous No.10399340]

>>10384287
>2 is the only good MGS.
t. Raiden

[Anonymous No.10399561]

>>10384265
Use the nails of the fingers on your right hand (2 or 3, depending on your hand size). Then run them across the O button to repeatedly press the button by running them across it.

[Anonymous No.10399634]

>>10390306
Literally what is this lol

Are you implying to not depress the button at all?

[Anonymous No.10399663]

>always been good at button mashing
>literally just tense up my arm at the elbow and let my arm shake slightly while keeping my thumb on the button
Do people just try to button mash by hitting the button normally?

[Anonymous No.10399696]

>>10399663
I do it your way, but my arm gets tired before I get to the end.

[Anonymous No.10399815]

>>10384683
Isn't there a trick in MGS2 to make the button mashing at the end easier if you look to the left or right?

[Anonymous No.10399842]

If you can't do the torture minigame you aren't a real gamer