/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10382676]

Fuck you, it's a good game

[Anonymous No.10382683]

>>10382676
No one but screeching fanboys deny this? Even the weakest 3D Mario is still the best 3D platformer there is. All the other lack moves and pure platforming levels

[Anonymous No.10382685]

>>10382676
It is. Shame about the analog triggers.

[Anonymous No.10382696]

Stil looks insane for its time. Also one of the best games with this setting

[Anonymous No.10382703]

>>10382685
>Shame about the analog triggers.
But the way the triggers work in Sunshine feels nice and satisfying. Is it hard to set up in emu?

[Anonymous No.10382706]

>>10382683
>Even the weakest 3D Mario is still the best 3D platformer there is
literally makes no sense

[Anonymous No.10382708]

>>10382676
It had potential, but was clearly rushed and not made by Nintendo's A team. It's such a huge drop in quality from the NES to N64 days. It almost made me quit Nintendo.

[Anonymous No.10382714]

>>10382676
FOR ME TO POOP ON!

[Anonymous No.10382715]

It's just fascinating how unlikely of an oddity it is. Like why would you follow up your very first 3D Mario with something so gimmicky and risky instead of just doing the obvious?

It's always hilarious to me that people portray Nintendo as that evil company that only does safe rehashes like EA or something. It's nothing but risk taking for them. Since ever

[Anonymous No.10382716]

Star Fox Adventures is a good game too.

[Anonymous No.10382717]

>>10382703
Yes. It's way better to play on real hardware, but I don't feel like taking out my GameCube just to replay Sunshine.

[Anonymous No.10382720]

>>10382706
Obviously I mean outside of other Marios

[Anonymous No.10382728]

>>10382716
Don't you play as Krystal for like 5 minutes?

[Anonymous No.10382732]

GameCube was peak vidya

[Anonymous No.10382738]

>>10382728
The first 20 minutes of the game or so

[Anonymous No.10382739]

>>10382715
I adore the GameCube era because of how out of their comfort zone Nintendo went. They actively made an attempt to get third party support back after the big names largely abandoned the N64. Lots of unique exclusives like Eternal Darkness and Baten Kaitos.

[Anonymous No.10382741]

>>10382715
>posts the safest rehash in existence

[Anonymous No.10382747]

>>10382741
The controversy over Wind Waker’s art style alone shows that it wasn’t the safe choice. Twilight Princess was the safe one.

[Anonymous No.10382750]

>>10382747
Once you get over the superficial change of the art style you get an OoT rehash that reminds you at every turn "'member OoT?" It's a game with literally no identity of its own.

[Anonymous No.10382758]

>>10382750
I think Wind Waker’s characterizations of Link, Zelda and Ganondorf are all superior to OoT. The story in general is more compelling and acts as a really solid sequel to Ocarina.

[Anonymous No.10382760]

>>10382758
Biggest problem is it is unfinished, and Zelda's weird heel turn in her personality deflated that ambition in her being a pirate.

[Anonymous No.10382770]

>>10382747
Art style is a strawman. The game is garbage with 3 dungeons and the world makes it seem like it wasn't ever supposed to be a Zelda game but got repurposed.
So...it's Zelda...without dungeons or world.

[Anonymous No.10382774]

>>10382760
I think that’s the biggest issue with the GameCube’s core library. Several of the big first party games felt a little rough around the edges by Nintendo standards. I’ll always stick up for MK Double Dash though.

[Anonymous No.10382775]

>>10382770
I’m a Wind Waker defender and it’s my favorite 3D Zelda. I love the ocean setting and it’s my pick for best story/writing in the series. Guess I just love beachy feeling games since Link’s Awakening is my favorite 2D one.

[Anonymous No.10382786]

I love Sunshine. The only thing the game is missing is a blue coin counter to show how many you are missing in each stage.
Odyssey is the worst 3D Mario, but that's not retro.

[Anonymous No.10382794]

>>10382786
Did they add a counter to the Switch port?

[Anonymous No.10382796]

>>10382747
>>10382770
>NOOO, just ignore the thing that wasn't safe, then it's safe!
Fans waited years for another OoT-like Zelda and feared that they'd never see one again. The controversy was massive and many are mad to this day (well, doesn't help that TP is the only non-toon Zelda we got since then)

I'd argue slowly navigating an ocean, empty as they are, wasn't the safest bet to make either

[Anonymous No.10382807]

>>10382796
I think it’s pretty clear that OoT and Majora were both meant to have cartoony, stylized looking characters. It’s just that the limitations of the N64 meant they were all blocky and angular looking.

[Anonymous No.10382818]

>>10382747
>The controversy over Wind Waker’s art style alone shows that it wasn’t the safe choice
The toon thing also permates every aspect of the game and isn't merely visual
>animations
>wind mechanics
>picking up oversized enemy weapons
>Link being launched into the air by buds
>using a dragon's tail for your grappling hook
and a million other things

[Anonymous No.10382823]

>>10382807
No

[Anonymous No.10382825]

>>10382823
?

[Anonymous No.10382832]

>>10382825
Does this look cartoony or like Wind Waker to you?

[Anonymous No.10382850]

>>10382832
I’m not what you’re trying to convey with these webms of empty buildings when my post >>10382807 was referring to the character models.

[Anonymous No.10382852]

Yes

[Anonymous No.10382865]

>>10382852

[Anonymous No.10382874]

This shows you haven't played it since it launched and you were a kid.

[Anonymous No.10382879]

>>10382850
>I’m not what you’re trying to convey with these webms
That N64 Zeldas obviously weren't meant to look like cartoons, let alone Wind Waker-level. That you dismiss the entire game world and specifically make it about character models just shows that you're a Nintendo hater who accidentally stumbled into a Nintendo thread again

You made this thread recently
>>10354118
And I would bet you just made this post >>10382874 as well

[Anonymous No.10382883]

>>10382714
based

[Anonymous No.10382885]

>>10382823
>>10382832
Pretty much all Zelda games since ALttP have had cartoony characters interacting with a 'realistic' world. The chibi designs in ALttP and the Game Boy Zeldas aren’t actually what the characters look like.

[Anonymous No.10382889]

>>10382879
Ocarina of Time was meant to have the sort of anime style that was popular in the mid to late 90s. Wind Waker was clearly going for more of a Studio Ghibli thing.

[Anonymous No.10382890]

>>10382850
>>10382852
>>10382865
That's hyperrealism compared to Wind Waker and what toon graphics the N64 was perfectly capable of doing

[Anonymous No.10382894]

>>10382879
I didn’t make that thread but OoT’s character models are definitely a weird mixed bag of styles.

[Anonymous No.10382907]

>>10382889
Ghibli has nothing to do with the look Wind Waker is ripping off-- I mean "is inspired by"

[Anonymous No.10382908]

>>10382894
>I didn’t make that thread
I think you did. I also think you need to take your meds and stop shitposting your life away in Nintendo threads. It's annoying because sometimes I think I'm having an honest exchange and then I realize "oh, it's this lifeless psycho again"

If it's because you're a janny so you have to stick around here all day, then just stop being a janny. Not like you get a cent for it or like it's real authority when everyone can just avoid your bans

[Anonymous No.10382917]

>>10382908
Anon, I’m in a Nintendo thread defending Wind Waker lmao.

[Anonymous No.10382923]

>>10382907
Is Wind Waker "uninspired" or is it bad that it's inspired by something? You have to make up your mind
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/10370251/#q10371056

>>10382917
List the posts you made then

[Anonymous No.10382927]

>>10382923
I made this post >>10382775 and this post >>10382807

[Anonymous No.10382937]

>>10382823
Who designs a temple so that you have to approach it from the side in a cramped alley way overlooking the side of some guys house?

[Anonymous No.10382942]

>>10382923
Hey that's my post
lol

[Anonymous No.10382951]

>>10382747
Correct

[Anonymous No.10382970]

>>10382927
So your "Wind Waker defending" is one post where you declare yourself a Wind Waker defender... And you admit being the retard who spams OoT character models and thinks the N64 wasn't capable of unrealistic graphics. Got it

[Anonymous No.10383048]

>>10382970
The N64 was capable of producing what could be described as realistic looking graphics, but the Zelda games were definitely meant to be anime-ish.

[Anonymous No.10383067]

>>10382750
It was an unsafe rehash.

[Anonymous No.10383112]

>>10383048
>but the Zelda games were definitely meant to be anime-ish.
They look just the way they were meant to, and that isn't Wind Waker-ish at all. Every post you're making is retarded and pointless and admitting that you are a schizo (like most Nintendo shitposters) also didn't help your case

>>10383067
>rehash
If a game is a rehash for retaining the core formula of the franchise because that's what the people who like the franchise want from the franchise, then every series is rehashes and the word means nothing

[Anonymous No.10383130]

>>10383112
I never once claimed that OoT/MM were meant to look like Wind Waker. I did however correctly point out that they were meant to be stylized and not realistic. See also: >>10382885

[Anonymous No.10383143]

>>10383112
>>10382970

[Anonymous No.10383246]

>>10382676
Worst 3D Mario game, and the only one that's a complete chore to 100% that practically requires a guide to do so.
>no blue coin counter
>some blue coins require arbitrarily spraying water at an object but only when a specific episode is picked otherwise it will never spawn
I also think its a good game though, it just doesnt hold hold up to the others.

[Anonymous No.10383249]

>>10383130
>stylized
No you said cartoony and implied N64 Zeldas were meant to look similar to WW (downplaying the WW transmogrification) but didn't because of N64 limitations >>10382807. It's just weird autism noises as per usual from you

[Anonymous No.10383257]

>>10383249
I did not imply that and Ocarina of Time does often have cartoony looking characters.

[Anonymous No.10383259]

>Zeldurfags hijack another thread
As expected. This board is such a makeshift Discord shitshow.

[Anonymous No.10383296]

Excluding my post:
17 posts are on-topic
48 posts about Zelda/unrelated
That like, what, close to 70 ~ 75ish% unrelated to the thread?

>>10383067
TP is a rehash, not WW.

[Anonymous No.10383297]

>>10383257
Then what exactly is your point here >>10382807 if not to push back against the notion that WW was a drastic visual change? It's like you just wanted an excuse to spam your OoT character models again...which you're still doing lol

irreversibly brainbroken

>>10383259
Not Zelda's fault you can't help but lie and shitpost when you see the WW boxart

[Anonymous No.10383318]

>>10382715
People say they do safe rehashes because Nintendo likes to lean on its popular brands when trying new ideas a lot of the time. They could have made a new IP with the cel shaded style that was an adventure game on an open sea in a flooded world, but they decided to go with the Zelda branding. Not saying that’s wrong, but to people on the outside looking in, Nintendo makes lots of Mario and Zelda games instead of “innovating” by constantly creating new worlds and characters.

[Anonymous No.10383326]

>>10383297
>Everyone that disagrees with me is the same person
Go back to Discord, underaged.

[Anonymous No.10383332]

>>10383297
My point was that if the N64 hardware had been capable, the N64 Zelda games most likely would’ve looked much more like an anime. Similar to what they’ve settled on with BotW/TotK. They were never meant to look 'realistic'. As a result, the NPC designs in OoT especially are kind of all over the place.

[Anonymous No.10383343]

>>10383259
I'm starting to think the majority of the regulars on /vr/ who discuss Zelda are /vg/ rejects that just discuss the same things with the same comparisons with the same arguments thread after thread after thread.

[Anonymous No.10383372]

>>10382676
i know?

[Anonymous No.10383386]

>>10382907
>>10382889
Future Boy Conan was clearly a massive inspiration on Wind Waker, both in terms of setting and story (flooded world, leaving home segment, rescue mission, stealth tower sequence, etc.) and that anime was proto-Ghibli. That said, the character style in the Little Prince and the Eight-Headed Dragon might be a clearer basis for Wind Waker, but the actual world and story is effectively a fantasy version of Future Boy Conan.

[Anonymous No.10383438]

>>10383386
Going a little further on Future Boy Conan since there's actually remarkably little online about how much of it got redone in Wind Waker. I don't want to have to take a shitload of screenshots, but the entire Forsaken Fortress is taken almost wholesale from the anime. Conan sets off on a ship to infiltrate the heavily-guarded Triangle Tower (in the city-state of Industria), where his friend Lana is locked in a room high above. He discovers her location by spotting the gulls flying near her window, lit up as a portal of light in the night, knowing she had an affinity for the birds and could speak with them. He sneaks through the tower, climbing up to her window, before the two escape while being searched for with bright yellow spotlights.

[Anonymous No.10383445]

>>10383438
I’m intrigued. I’ll give it a watch.

[Anonymous No.10383457]

>>10383445
I'd highly recommend. It's a really great anime, and if you're a fan of Wind Waker it's cool to see spot what the devs lifted from the show.

Not vidya, but Akage no Anne is also another really good, light-hearted series from the same studio. It's based on Anne of Green Gables, and though I haven't read the books I'm quite certain that it stays faithful to them.

[Anonymous No.10383464]

>>10383326
Another high-quality post from you because of a Zelda boxart

>>10383332
>My point was that if the N64 hardware had been capable, the N64 Zelda games most likely would’ve looked much more like an anime
The N64 has plenty games that look more stylized and more anime than OoT. Not even sure what makes you think a flat toon game is more demanding and requires more complex textures and polygons than a realistic game. Thanks for admitting you just wanted to talk about OoT because of your obsession and nothing you have to say even challenges the fact that WW was a drastic change, though
>Similar to what they’ve settled on with BotW/TotK
Literally the opposite of what you're saying applies to SS and BotW. They decided to go with a toon look (with literal Mii NPCs) because the hardware is weak as shit

[Anonymous No.10383469]

>>10383464
The only way we will ever see a more realistic Zelda again is another powerful Nintendo console

[Anonymous No.10383470]

>Mario Sunshine thread
>derails into a Zelda thread 8 posts in

[Anonymous No.10383474]

>>10383464
>Literally the opposite of what you're saying applies to SS and BotW. They decided to go with a toon look (with literal Mii NPCs) because the hardware is weak as shit
Also the same reason they stylized Okami instead of going with what they initially had in mind

I really hope they dissect a Nintendo shitposter's brain in the future to see what makes them this way

>>10383470
Nintendo shitposters gonna shitpost

[Anonymous No.10383475]

>>10383464
Ocarina of Time heavily used pre-rendered buildings and interiors because of the N64’s limitations. Doesn’t change the fact that the main characters all have big anime eyes.

[Anonymous No.10383482]

>>10383474
But Anon. You're engaging in the Zelda slapfight too.

[Anonymous No.10383494]

>>10383464
Looks pretty toon-inspired to me.

[Anonymous No.10383497]

>>10383475
>>10383494
No one said OoT isn't at least part anime or tries to be hyperrealistic. It's a mix like countless other Japanese games. You're moving the goalposts because losing and unintelligent

>>10383482
You should push back against dishonest bullshit when jannies refuse to do it. Literally self-defense. Ignoring doesn't help because they do it in every thread all the time

[Anonymous No.10383498]

>>10383497
>because they do it in every thread
And by "they" I mean mostly one samefagging freak who literally has no real life

[Anonymous No.10383502]

>>10383497
>No one said OoT isn't at least part anime or tries to be hyperrealistic. It's a mix like countless other Japanese games.

That’s been my argument all along, anon. You’ve been the goofball denying it.

[Anonymous No.10383523]

>>10383249
>>10383297
>>10383469
Just jumping in to say that it’s EXTREMELY dishonest to post these pre-rendered images from tech demos and such rather than from the game itself. For shame.

[Anonymous No.10383580]

Fuck you, it’s really not.

[Anonymous No.10383581]

>>10383470
What did you expect? Zeldurfags are some of the worst autists on this board next to Segatards and Sonicfags. These threads are just full of underaged and speedtrannies.

[Anonymous No.10383585]

>>10383581
Cubies have the thinnest skin of all the console generations, and they will crawl out of the woodwork if you dare to imply their games are badly made, rushed, or not fun.

[Anonymous No.10383594]

>>10383585
>50 % of posts made by people who don't like nintendo
>in a nintendo thread
>heh, they are so thin skinned
faggot

[Anonymous No.10383598]

Sunshine = kino
Wind Waker = kino

Simple as.

[Anonymous No.10383603]

>>10383581
>>10383585
You guys need to stop posting like this.

[Anonymous No.10383604]

>>10383594
You can like Nintendo and still think Wind Waker is a soulless rehash of OoT.

[Anonymous No.10383606]

I like that cool water shotgun move you can do by clicking R down and pressing A. I chain that shit in the air and wipe out a lot of sludge in a hurry.
Being able to slightly wet the ground and then dive onto it to rocket forwards is also good.

[Anonymous No.10383607]

>>10383604
it doesn't get more soul than wind waker

[Anonymous No.10383616]

>>10383607
This is hands down one of the best things ever in a Nintendo game:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XDQLQpEAP3w&pp=ygUQV2luZCB3YWtlciBpbnRybw%3D%3D

[Anonymous No.10383624]

>>10383607
>trying to trick people who don't know Link will look in whatever direction you're tilting the analog stick when pressed against a wall
Now show his eyes doing that when he's not pressed against the wall.

[Anonymous No.10383627]

>>10383624
How is that a trick? You need to calm down, friend.

[Anonymous No.10383628]

>>10383502
>That’s been my argument all along, anon
Yeah, that's what I'm pointing out. You bring up N64 Zeldas here >>10382807 in reply to a post about WW just so you have an excuse to take shots at as many Zelda games as you can and spam your OoT NPCs again, something you literally made a thread for just a few days ago >>10354118

>>10383523
When someone says OoT would look anime or close to WW if not held back by limitations, there is indeed merit in sharing official Nintendo renders that show what Nintendo has in mind if not held back by limitations

You could just read one of the countless Nintendo interviews in which they clearly differentiate between more realistic Zelda games and WW. Hell, even Miyamoto was absolutely opposed to the toon overhaul at first

[Anonymous No.10383635]

>>10383627
The image is trying to imply Link's watching the shadows on his own, not that the player is making him do goofy eyeball tricks. There's no soul here.

[Anonymous No.10383636]

>>10383616
real. for me its the title theme though. did you know shiggy played the mandolin in it?
>>10383624
tf are you talking about? it just looks full of life

[Anonymous No.10383640]

>>10383628
>there is indeed merit in sharing official Nintendo renders that show what Nintendo has in mind if not held back by limitations

Nah, I’m calling bullshit. Those renders are from well after Ocarina of Time was released. You need to apologize.

[Anonymous No.10383641]

>>10383636
Still the best Zelda mobs. TP was also good but then everything after is trash

[Anonymous No.10383651]

>>10383604
>Wind Waker is a soulless rehash of OoT
Are you confusing WW with TP? It doesn't even make sense to call WW a clone of OoT, they're nothing alike. The way I see it, there are two styles of mainline Zelda games, one prioritizes exploration (TLoZ-WW-BotW-TotK), the other puzzles and combat (aLttP-OoT-MM-TP-SS).

[Anonymous No.10383660]

>>10383651
He’s also ignoring the fact that every 3D Zelda game up to Skyward Sword followed the template set by A Link to the Past, ie:

>Forest/Fire/Water dungeons first
>major story event
>More dungeons

[Anonymous No.10383662]

>>10383641
>zombies rocking leopard print undies

[Anonymous No.10383695]

>>10383628
I think you’re better off posting Link’s model from Melee, which is based on his OoT look. I’d say it looks like Nintendo’s typical anime fantasy style shared by Fire Emblem.

[Anonymous No.10383739]

>>10382676
>it's a good game
but not good enough

[Anonymous No.10383759]

>>10383739
Sunshine gets too much hate. Super Mario 64 has its fair share of clunker stages too.

[Anonymous No.10383776]

>>10383640
>Nah, I’m calling bullshit.
You're the only one posting headcanon bullshit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUBIjbYYNg
>they initially wanted WW realistic like OoT and had a prototype ready
>even Miyamoto was opposed to toon Zelda
>settled on WW's style because they didn’t have the staff to create a realistic-looking Zelda and a toon Zelda could be made in a fraction of the time
Toon Zeldas are the cop-out, not the other way around. Nintendo didn't accidentally stumble into realistic backgrounds and color palettes. That you're allowed to go on and on with your disinformation campaigns just because you can't afford a psychiatrist is flabbergasting

>>10383651
To call any 3D Zelda (that isn't TotK) a rehash is fanboy derangement. Zelda is all about exploring overworlds and dungeon crawling. They all have a completely different overworld and dungeon layouts and add their own unique gameplay elements and flair. There is a reason why there is so much infighting in the Zelda fandom

[Anonymous No.10383781]

>>10383776
What I’m calling bullshit on is you posting renders from years after Ocarina was released. See >>10383695

[Anonymous No.10383789]

>>10383776
Miyamoyo legit has horrible instincts sometimes. Koizumi should’ve been put in charge of Zelda instead of Aonuma.

[Anonymous No.10383807]

>>10383776
Wait, wait, I just reread this post and NOPE. If you’re referring to the Space World Link vs Gandondorf tech demo, that is NOT a prototype. Dishonest post.

[Anonymous No.10383809]

>>10383386
>>10383438
>>10383457
Funny, Conan's an even bigger inspiration on Megaman Legends, that series wears the similarities on its sleeve. And once you know what it's about, you can piece together the similarities between it and Wind Waker. It also happens to feature the oldest Goku-type anime protag, the sequence of events of the first episode and Conan himself is damn near identical to Dragon Ball's beginning.

[Anonymous No.10383823]

Wind Waker has been vindicated by history as a masterpiece that easily stands alongside Ocarina of Time. It’s okay to love both.

[Anonymous No.10383834]

>>10383781
I already explained that to your samefag >>10383628
>When someone says OoT would look anime or close to WW if not held back by limitations, there is indeed merit in sharing official Nintendo renders that show what Nintendo has in mind if not held back by limitations

And besides Smash always changing characters to make them blend in with Mario and talking animals, you still have relatively normal proportions and details. No one denies that OoT is a blend between realistic and stylized, like countless other Japanese or even western games. Nowhere near fully toon or WW levels, though. You're just derailing Nintendo-related threads with negativity for the sake of it (also mental illness, nothing to play on your systems)

>>10383807
>If you’re referring to the Space World Link vs Gandondorf tech demo
I did not. Though I love that you are no longer even trying not to sound like a troll and go wild with the all-caps. Telling

>>10383789
>predicted that WW won't sell well
Yeah, horrible

[Anonymous No.10383835]

>>10383776
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUBIjbYYNg
>a klabautermann snuck in and finished the golf island at night
The only thing that makes zelda more soul is looking up how it's made

[Anonymous No.10383837]

>>10383834
Okay then what were you referring to when you said they had a prototype ready? You’re a fucking slimeball, dude. You’ve been fudging stuff this whole argument. And again, your excuse is not valid. Posting pre-rendered images from years after OoT came out is bunk.

[Anonymous No.10383839]

>>10383834
Fact Check: Wind Waker still sold well, just not as well as Ocarina.

[Anonymous No.10383849]

>>10383834
>You're just derailing Nintendo-related threads with negativity for the sake of it (also mental illness, nothing to play on your systems)

Buddy, this whole argument boils down to you liking Ocarina more and me preferring Wind Waker. Why do you keep accusing me of being anti-Nintendo?

[Anonymous No.10383887]

>>10383837
>>10383849
>Okay then what were you referring to when you said they had a prototype ready?
The interview addressed in the DYKG video
>Why do you keep accusing me of being anti-Nintendo?
I explained that here >>10383628

Going to reply to you less now because I'm not a janny so I don't have to be here and you disgust me on multiple levels

>>10383839
It officially sold below expectations and half as much as LA, which had a shoestring budget

[Anonymous No.10383891]

>>10383759
SM64 was a revolutionary game.

[Anonymous No.10383897]

>>10383887
So I guess to sum everything up: Do you like Wind Waker or not? I like Ocarina of Time, dislike Majora’s Mask and adore Wind Waker. Miyamoto was wrong.

[Anonymous No.10383910]

>>10383891
Still doesn’t mean it’s above criticism for some bad level design at times.

[Anonymous No.10384018]

>>10383776
That Tetra game looks much better than I thought. Shame about the GBA shit

[Anonymous No.10384213]

>>10383809
I've never played Megaman Legends, but I'd say the exact same about Wind Waker. I imagine both simply pulled different elements.

>oldest Goku-type anime protag
Man I'm pretty sure the hero's journey archetype has existed a lot longer than Future Boy Conan. A Link to the Past was much later, but it's also very similar in how it opened, and you're going to find the pattern in all kinds of stories across literal millenia. The archetype always begins with the hero having to leave his cloistered, comfortable life, optionally with his attachment being severed somehow---which death does perfectly.

[Anonymous No.10384316]

>>10382676
Shit compared to SM64 but still the second best retro platformer

[Anonymous No.10384842]

>>10384213
No I don't mean hero's journey, I mean the quintessential shonen MC. Meaning some super powered strong retarded boy from bumfuck nowhere that doesn't understand what's going in the story he gets thrown in and beats everyone up with his abnormal powers to protect the other MCs who do care because they're his friends. Also see Naruto, Luffy, Gon.

As a bonus both Goku and Conan grew up with their grandpas and their journeys are kickstarted by a fateful meeting with a girl after hunting a big fish hmmmm.

[Anonymous No.10385273]

>>10383759
This