/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10355591]

Holy shit this game’s awesome

[Anonymous No.10355595]

>>10355591
It's pretty awful, that's why it's almost only Playstation fans talking about it. Playing this after Mario 64 is torture

[Anonymous No.10355596]

rayman 2 is "better" but rayman 3 is more fun

[Anonymous No.10355601]

>>10355595

[Anonymous No.10355602]

>>10355591
I loved it as a kid but when I played Rayman 3 I was blown the fuck away and still consider it to be among the best 3d platformers ever. Sadly people like to shit on 3 because of no Ancel

[Anonymous No.10355603]

>>10355595
>Playstation fans

no one likes rayman 2 on playstation
its mostly dreamcast fanboys because its the only good platformer on the dreamcast

[Anonymous No.10355605]

>>10355601

[Anonymous No.10355606]

>>10355605

[Anonymous No.10355608]

Not enough jumping plumbers for ya?

[Anonymous No.10355609]

>>10355595
It's literally the only 3d platformer worth playing that isn't mario 64

[Anonymous No.10355612]

>>10355609
It's more of a collectathon than a platformer. And there are way better collectathons

[Anonymous No.10355613]

>>10355595
>>10355601
Beneath the Sanctuary is a fun level, no idea why you're trying to make it look bad
>>10355605
>>10355606
>ps1 version
that being said Fairy Glade is boring but its expected from being the actual first level.

[Anonymous No.10355617]

>>10355603
Rayman 2 on PSX is still fun and makes up for any shortcomings with better content.

[Anonymous No.10355620]

>>10355609
Mario Galaxy and Rayman 3 are the 3D platformers of all time.

[Anonymous No.10355623]

>>10355613
>Beneath the Sanctuary is a fun level, no idea why you're trying to make it look bad
Because it's mind-numbingly easy, slow and boring for such a late level. Everyone who watches the clips can tell

[Anonymous No.10355629]

>>10355623
its fun to fly around the level and avoid the hazards, plus the music and aesthetics are top notch so it makes for a fun level.
Also Rayman 2 is already an easy game so complaining about the difficulty is dumb.

[Anonymous No.10355646]

>>10355629
>its fun to fly around the level and avoid the hazards
Every gutter tier licensed game has a level like that. It's not fun to fly around at such a low pace and do the obvious, especially with such ugly environments

[Anonymous No.10355647]

>>10355617
>Better content
Such as?

[Anonymous No.10355652]

Some more exciting Rayman 2 gameplay

[Anonymous No.10355660]

>>10355652
this is hilarious in a way

[Anonymous No.10355671]

>>10355647
Better intro sequence, better voice acting (fuck banjotalk), absolutely superior stage select, Rayman 1 demo, no stupid bonus levels that make the story seem like a joke, and a much better final boss battle.
Not to mention the added charm of having all of that on an older console.

[Anonymous No.10355674]

>>10355646
nah, its fun and looks great, you're the first guy I've ever met that's shitting on that level.

[Anonymous No.10355683]

>>10355674
>literally the most generic ugly brown lava level you can imagine
>floating at snail's pace collecting shit
>0 challenge

[Anonymous No.10355685]

>>10355671
>Not to mention the added charm of having all of that on an older console.
Irrelevant

[Anonymous No.10355686]

>>10355652
>Some more exciting Rayman 2 gameplay

[Anonymous No.10355687]

>>10355652
>>10355605
>>10355606
>>10355601
>>10355595
If only they had made masterpieces like tick tock clock or wet and dry world

[Anonymous No.10355691]

>>10355687
>tick tock clock
It's supposed to be a bad level? I thought it was among the best

[Anonymous No.10355692]

>>10355687
Just ignore the Mario stars you hate

[Anonymous No.10355697]

>>10355685
The only console of that generation that didn't create deviants, schizos and mutants.

[Anonymous No.10355698]

>getting hit by lava
>literally nothing happens

[Anonymous No.10355704]

>>10355698
Mario 64 actually deserves props for how it did fire damage. It's legit punishing

[Anonymous No.10355705]

Poopman 2

[Anonymous No.10355713]

>30 posts
>10 posters
Get a fucking life.

[Anonymous No.10355714]

>>10355697
Irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10355715]

>>10355713
he's also posting webms from the ps1 version which is watered down version of the original game, and also he plays like ass too.

[Anonymous No.10355724]

>>10355713
I really hate all the idiotic console wars that happen here, especially considering every console discussed here has been dead for almost 20 years, but sometimes even I have to shake my head at how deranged some Nintendo fans are

[Anonymous No.10355736]

>>10355713
>stop dumping on-topic images on an image board!

[Anonymous No.10355742]

>>10355715
How are the other versions meaningfully different compared to what is shown in the videos posted here?

[Anonymous No.10355767]

>>10355671
>better voice acting (fuck banjotalk)

[Anonymous No.10355775]

>>10355742
The PS1 version has some differences in the way levels progress compared to the original game (and they're mostly inferior outside the final boss battle and a section of sanctuary of stone and fire), and like I said the guy is playing like ass and his webms seem to have slowdown too so it makes the game look worse.

[Anonymous No.10355779]

>>10355697
The PS1 had FFVII so that's incorrect.

[Anonymous No.10355792]

>>10355767
>"Blibbablobba damameley :DDD"
Yes, fuck banjoralk. You goddamn child, I'll give you a swirlie for free.
Also, the PSX version doesn't have forced tutorials, no annoying ship flying sequence, no shitty minigames, and has skippable cutscenes (not press A a bunch of times through the shitty banjotalk).

[Anonymous No.10355809]

>>10355775
Just watched the same levels in the other versions. No difference

Literal gaslighting thread

[Anonymous No.10356079]

>>10355591
it's ok

[Anonymous No.10356098]

Imagine if Rayman stayed 2D. The Rayman 2 prototype looked like it could've been something cool

[Anonymous No.10356117]

>>10355591
It's OK
People really go out of their way to pretend it's some amazing classic, especially the N64 and Dreamcast versions but I think it's because both consoles are starved for titles, in the case of the DC it's titles that are mainstream friendly uguu~.
This goes hand-in-hand with shit talking literally every other version, PS1, PS2, whatever else is out there. Honestly it's all the same game. If you like the Nshitty-four version, you already like the PS2 version, except the PS2 version is improved so you like it more. Pretending otherwise is just pretense for weird fags.

I think it's fine but I don't care much for the focus on set piece designs that mix up the scenario, instead of having strong core mechanics and levels it fartily drops you into a difficulty reset so as not to stir you up too much and gently wafts you along. It feels like there's not much room for expression or mastery, which holds the game back majorly.

[Anonymous No.10356127]

>>10355591
Why not play a real game instead of a lame rip-off?

[Anonymous No.10356147]

>>10355809
liar.
Fairy Glade is different, for example on the PS1 version you have to stop the machine from polluting the water so you can dive in and progress, you dont do that on the original, the swamp section near the first pirate encounter is also lacking on the ps1 version and you can get all lums in one run whereas the og you need to go to echoing caves to get the missing ones
Marshes of Awakening doesn't have the entrance to the Cave of Bad Dreams and its missing the 3 lap around the swamp, instead you go straight into another zone.
PS1 version lacks sanctuary of water and ice, instead it combines whale bay with astral slide (Whale Bay is also missing a good chunk of the og level)
Menhir Hills has another shell riding section (the one before you meet Clark) and the final riding part is much shorter too
On Iron Mountains dont even get to escape from the robot or make him kick those rocks that have lums under them
There's more changes but to name a few you have Sanctuary of Fire and Stone, Echoing Caves, Prison Ship and Tomb of the Ancients are somewhat different (usually much shorter except for fire and stone).
On PC/DC the game also runs far better (60fps) and Rayman also controls better, in the ps1 version he takes like half a second before he starts moving which is annoying, I had to press the strafe button or the shoot button first to avoid that.

[Anonymous No.10356161]

>>10355591
Yeah, Rayperson is the best.

[Anonymous No.10356173]

>>10355591
Breivik's favourite game

[Anonymous No.10356305]

>>10355595
Is this video really supposed to convince us the game sucks? How? Because it has a cool lava level?

[Anonymous No.10356329]

>>10356117
This is the best and perhaps only rational post I have read about Rayman 2.

[Anonymous No.10356389]

>>10356098
>Imagine if Rayman stayed 2D

it did
there are handheld versions of rayman 2 and 3 that are closer to OG rayman

[Anonymous No.10356395]

>>10355595
it's best played on the DC, the controller was perfect for platformers.

[Anonymous No.10356464]

>>10356305
>slow, awful pacing, piss easy, ugly, repetitive
Dunno

[Anonymous No.10356468]

>>10355595
The funniest thing is how literally nothing even happens when he, somehow, flies into the lava

[Anonymous No.10356557]

>>10355595
PS1 is the worst version, I don't know why you would play that

[Anonymous No.10356716]

>>10355686
I can't tell if these videos are part of a for or against argument.

[Anonymous No.10356721]

I like it a bit more on 64 but so much of how rayman controls just feels wrong to me, like they didn't finish tweaking him and just built the game around a rushed prototype

[Anonymous No.10356737]

>>10356305

I've never played any Rayman game but... that level looks extremely boring. Of course I don't trust it as proof that the whole game is bad though. (I mean, it's not a good sign.)

[Anonymous No.10356745]

>>10356557
NTA but nostalgia I guess. I got the PS1 version when I was a kid and replaying it was still very fun. I should try the other versions just to see.

[Anonymous No.10356747]

>>10355591
It's alright but it's too easy and I get the feeling that it would be better played as a kid.

[Anonymous No.10356894]

>>10355595
Is the guy playing this retarded?
Why is he holding back the stick to slow Rayman down?
Why is he still getting hit despite holding back the stick to slow Rayman down?

[Anonymous No.10356897]

>>10355697
Wtf are you talking about

[Anonymous No.10356918]

Showing off footage of the game while getting hit by everything just makes you look bad, not the game.

[Anonymous No.10357145]

>>10356716
that's because there's nothing really remarkably good or bad about them either way, just one autist whose preconceived contempt for rayman 2 has skewed his perception so that it all looks like outright shit to him
rayman 2 is a perfectly average 3d platformer for its time, but we all know hyperbole is what brings in the (You)s around here

[Anonymous No.10357152]

>>10356737
That webm is running at maybe a fifth the speed the actual game runs, you’re out of that hallway in a few seconds.

None of these webms really represent the game.

[Anonymous No.10357195]

>>10355595
eat my ass, faggot

[Anonymous No.10357215]

>>10355595
>playing the objectively inferior PS1 version of a game that even the devs said does not hold up to others
>playing it very badly at that
>intentionally clipping out the most generic and mundane sections of the game, and then editing them to be at half speed
>making this thread from your phone with a pretyped message and set of edited webms all ready to go and be posted within 58 seconds of its creation
>probably all because someone, somewhere, on the internet said this game was better than Mario 64
Unironically, what kind of mental disorder causes this type of behavior?

[Anonymous No.10357217]

>>10355591
mogged hard by 3

[Anonymous No.10357224]

>>10356117
That's exactly right, Ayu-sama.

[Anonymous No.10357368]

Having played Rayman 3 first, I just couldn't get over how much of a downgrade Rayman 2's atmosphere was and just stopped playing it.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcQX9otP_Xk

[Anonymous No.10357373]

>>10356117
>except the PS2 version is improved so you like it more

not really. it's worse
>dogshit hub world
>horrendous load times
>a whole level removed
>robo pirate fights are out the wazoo and take way too long

[Anonymous No.10357720]

>>10357195
This made my eyes bleed. You'll be getting a bill from the hospital.

[Anonymous No.10358043]

>>10355698
>>getting hit by lava
This is actually insane

[Anonymous No.10358047]

>>10355698
>>getting hit by lava
>>literally nothing happens
This is actually insane. It's like the only way to fuck up is handing the controller to your dog

[Anonymous No.10358049]

>Ubishit

[Anonymous No.10358067]

>>10355698
That's not lava, that's fire.
Falling into the lava below instantly kills you and sends you back to a checkpoint.
Dumbass.

[Anonymous No.10358076]

>>10355595
Just wanted to say you're a retard with shit-tier taste if you think Rayman 2 is awful.

[Anonymous No.10358079]

>>10356464
>ugly

Has a better art style than Mario 64.

[Anonymous No.10358127]

>>10357215
I am genuinely curious as well. This guy has been dedicated to this.

PS1 emulation is braindead but maybe something fucked up and he actually played through the game at half speed without realizing and got mad about it?

That or just trolling, but people will just point out these webms are slowed down and he's playing like a retard and then they'll move on.

Weird ploy for attention, if that's what it is.

[Anonymous No.10358195]

So why is the PS1 version considered the worst and which one would be the best?

[Anonymous No.10358202]

>>10357215
honestly the PS1 version is fine, we don't need to pretend it's some great sin against rayman 2.

>>10357373
it's the same game.

[Anonymous No.10358263]

>>10358202
>it's the same game
if you really think this, you haven't played both versions

[Anonymous No.10358278]

>>10358263
It's the same game, I've played all versions. See: >>10356117
stop pretending already, it's gay.

[Anonymous No.10358337]

>>10358278
>it's the same game, all the differences don't count
stop being a fag

[Anonymous No.10358405]

>>10355698
>hit by lava
>clearly fire

What did the aspergers retard mean by this?

[Anonymous No.10358409]

>>10357215
Nintenditis. It's when the Nin-toddlers get uppity at someone not revering their childrens toys as much as they do.

[Anonymous No.10358440]

>>10358337
>ohh its so different! One uses a level select the other uses none!!!
oh wow
who cares?

[Anonymous No.10358712]

>>10358440
>be wrong
>"y-yeah well who cares"
ps2 differences make it worse than the ps1 version, cope gaylord

[Anonymous No.10358953]

>>10355698
Maybe it's made for a very young audience? Keep in mind games are toys

[Anonymous No.10358986]

>>10357368
For me it was the opposite
I couldn't get into 3 and 2 is one of my favorite games from that gen

[Anonymous No.10359378]

Webms should never have been invented.

[Anonymous No.10359861]

>>10355595
>nothing happens even if he gets hit

[Anonymous No.10360876]

I wanted to fuck Ly, pity she never made it to subsequent games

[Anonymous No.10360895]

>>10358195
PS1 version has a bunch of levels cut and shortened, 200 less lums, missing content (like the golden fist powerup and minigames). It is pretty unique though and worth a try for the 2D beta demo and better final boss, but worst overall.
Best is probably Dreamcast or PC (I've only played the former but I hear good things about the PC version). There's an argument for the PS2 version (Revolution), that adds an open world map instead of the level select screen, personally I think it just clogs the game a bit, I would say play DC/PC first, PS2 if you ever want to replay it and PS1 if you ever want to replay it again quickly. From what I gather, N64 is a worse PC port, DS is a worse N64 port, and 3D is a worse Dreamcast port.
DC>PC>PS2>N64>PS1>3DS>DS

[Anonymous No.10360925]

>>10360895
PS2 version from my recollection isn't that amazing and I recall the sound mixing being pretty bad. The overworld was kinda' neat to explore, but players wouldn't be missing out if they skipped this version.

[Anonymous No.10360935]

>>10360925
Yeah I agree, I used to see a lot of people say it was definitive, worth a look but not the best. I forgot about the sound and I think it might run at a lower framerate than DC? Not sure.

[Anonymous No.10361061]

>>10360925
It's the best looking version by a significant margin

[Anonymous No.10361083]

>>10355605
>>10355606
I remember this part hardlocked me out of getting further as a kid. I couldn't figure out the mechanics with my dumb kid brain and low hand-eye coordination, so this is as far as I got until I played the game again years later.

[Anonymous No.10361084]

>>10356716
It's the PS1 version so against

[Lennon No.10361578]

>>10355595
>>10355601
>>10355605
>>10355606
>>10355652
>>10355686
>>10355698
ffmpeg -i rayman.webm -vf "crop=1440:1080" raymanFixed.webm
Not to mention the video is upscaled to pixelated shit. Learn to make webms properly.

[Lennon No.10361597]

>>10355652
>>10361578
example

[Anonymous No.10361601]

>>10359861
He takes damage and is knocked down slightly, that's not "nothing".

[Lennon No.10363314]

>>10355613
I remember The Sanctuary of Stone and Fire being way longer than it needs to be, it takes over 45 minutes to complete first try, and the split paths are really annoying. I think the Menhir Hills does the same thing where you have to play the whole level twice just to deliver a potion to Clark. Not as long though.

[Anonymous No.10364090]

>>10355595
>>10355591
>Less than a minute of time between posts

Hhhhmmmmmmmm.......

[Anonymous No.10364093]

>>10355591
A friend of mine bought this and I bought Conkers Bad Fur Day. I think I made the right choice in hindsight

[Anonymous No.10365407]

>>10355595
>>10355601
>>10355605
>>10355606
>>10355652
>>10355686
>>10355698
>plays the ps1 version where half the levels have been butchered by chinks
>intentionally plays in the slowest and safest way possible and then slows down his gameplay even more in video editor
here, this is what rayman 2 is actually supposed to be like: https://youtube.com/watch?v=OeL0vRSNxIA

[Anonymous No.10365424]

>>10363314
>it takes over 45 minutes to complete first try
only if you go to the optional first temple to collect lums

[Anonymous No.10365427]

>>10365407
All PlayStation haters are deranged and need to doctor evidence and lie about it. Same guy exposed himself lying about time splitters 2 textures months ago.

[Anonymous No.10365442]

>>10360895
N64 version is just as good as the PC version if emulated, what prevented it from being really good on the original hardware were the frequent framerate dips.

DS version is even worse in this regard, I consider it unplayable on a stock DS. It can be improved by playing it on an unlocked DSi and overclocking the CPU to 133MHz instead of 66MHz that games without DSi enhancement run at, but playing it with D-pad is pretty painful nonetheless. The analog slider on the touchscreen were actually meant to be used with the thumb stylus accessory included with the very first DS models, but barely anyone has it nowadays and those touchscreens are only becoming worse with age.

Rayman 3D also suffers from bad performance, but once again that can be remedied by playing it on a New 3DS/New 3DS XL/New 2DS XL, overclocking the CPU and turning on additional cache. The physical analog slider also makes playing the game much more comfortable. So I wouldn't say this version is especially bad.

[Anonymous No.10365454]

>>10365427
I'm not a "PlayStation hater". I love PS1 and PS2 and I love Spyro games that came out on those systems (except Enter the Dragonfly, yuck). Rayman 2 on the PS1 is objectively the worst home console port of the game. There is no reason to play it if you own a PC. Either play the actual PC version (which actually takes more effort to run on a modern PC than emulating console versions) or emulate the N64 or Dreamcast port.

[Anonymous No.10365464]

>>10355595
i played it on PC back then and it was awesome

[Anonymous No.10365465]

>>10365427
>>10365454
Oh and Rayman 3 on the PS2 is a great port that has an awesome opening song missing from other versions. It only shows your fanboyism that you interpreted my justified criticism of a bad port as an attack on a system you like.

[Anonymous No.10365494]

I’m convinced that Ubi has never released a good game in its entire history.

[Anonymous No.10365598]

>people having a melty over scrimbloformer not being kaizo hard

play frogger 1 on psx for real pain

[Anonymous No.10365970]

>>10365427
>Same guy exposed himself lying about time splitters 2 textures months ago.
Still traumatized after falling for the oldest trick in the book I see.

[Anonymous No.10365983]

>>10365970
Here he is, admitting to his dishonesty. Just goes to show you how dishonest fanboys are against playstation.

[Anonymous No.10365985]

>>10365407
>those frame drops at 2:10
>that awful boring """""""""""""""platforming"""""""""""""""
>still 1% damage when hit

Do you really want me to make 10 more webms of the Dreamcast version? This game is trash. Stfu

[Anonymous No.10365993]

>>10365494

[Anonymous No.10366134]

>>10365985
>>those frame drops at 2:10
Look at the year of upload, dumbass. Whoever posted it probably recorded it on a Core 2 Duo PC running Windows XP, frame drops are nothing unusual.
>>that awful boring """""""""""""""platforming"""""""""""""""
Why are you playing platformers if you don't like platforming?
>>still 1% damage when hit
That damage carries over between levels, so it's not as forgiving as it sounds. If you die completely you have to restart the level with only around 1/3 of the health. Rayman 2 is still a much harder game than 3 while not being as hard as to make it inaccessible to a large number of people as 1.
>Do you really want me to make 10 more webms of the Dreamcast version?
Yes, because then you'll actually enjoy it. I know because I've played through the Dreamcast version again this summer and it's just as good as I remember it.

[Anonymous No.10366578]

>>10365985
>Do you really want me to make 10 more webms of the dreamcast version?
Well if you want me to take you seriously that'd certainly help so yeah, I want that.

[Anonymous No.10366617]

Look Rayman 2 is visually aesthetic, it sounds great, it has neat puzzles and good characters.

However the gameplay is not quite that fun for some reason and it's just a bit boring sometimes. It's also fairly easy, but I'm not sure upping the difficulty would have made it better. Collecting all the lums is more an exercise in autism than anything else.

So a good, likeable game with its flaws.

[Anonymous No.10366730]

Never played it because the character looked so half assed

Still don't want to

No offense