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10345441 No.10345441 [Reply] [Original]

What if 80% games weren't attempts to simulate low-quality 3D?

>> No.10345454

>>10345441
they're not though?

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10345679

>>10345454
I'm assuming OP means isometric games as there are only a handful of actual 3D games on the system. Still not sure 80% is accurate though

>> No.10346000

>>10345441
I been playing metal slug advance.

>> No.10346006

>>10345679
Even those are a minority on the system. In fact it's hard to think of many.

>> No.10346029 [DELETED] 

>>10340726
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>> No.10346040

What if 80% of your posts weren't some shit you pulled out of your ass?

>> No.10346994

>>10345441
Why not?

>> No.10347058 [DELETED] 

>>10345441
I just want to tell you you're a retard. GBA is more often criticized for having too much 2D, not the opposite. most 3D games were shitty yuro racers, and some games used isometric perspective because it'd be hard to do them otherwise (see Banjo & THPS).
if you didn't take your opinions from discord and reddit, you'd know that GBA had a very impressive library. Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow, Rhythm Tengoku, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, WarioWare (Twisted), Metroid Fusion & Zero Mission, Mother 3, Wario Land 4, Mario & Luigi, Golden Sun, FFT Advance, Kirby & The Amazing Mirror, Sonic Advance 3, Mega Man Zero 3 & 4 are all excellent games, and there's more if you're actually willing to dig (see: RCR EX, Guru Logi Champ, Kururin, & more). your shitty post is just another take in the vein of "GBA was… le bad" from people who have only played spongebob games and pokemon on the school bus in 2003.

>> No.10347082

I miss the GBA got a ton of free games as a kid including Golden Sun because some other kid left their mesh cartridge holder thing behind for over a week at the place my mom volunteered at and she called dibs.

>> No.10347090 [DELETED] 

>>10347058
The GBA is beloved on Reddit and presumably most of Discord. It's a complete mystery how OP could've reached the conclusion he did.

>> No.10347131 [DELETED] 

>>10347090
OK. I just meant that there is a lot of retards with absolutely surface level knowledge of GBA, who think that just because other people played garbage on it, it means the platform was a shovelware machine with no gaems. sadly, this is still a prevalent attitude to Nintendo handhelds, even today. this is also made worse by the fact that the best GBA games weren't THAT well known; most just know Pokemon and the SNES ports.
even the known games are often underrated, like there's a whole breed of tards who think Aria didn't compare to SotN, Fusion is hated by speedtrannies because muh linearity, Advance Wars and WarioWare get closer to memory hole every year, no one even knows Rhythm Tengoku, and even Pokemon gets shit because pokemania wasn't cool anymore in 2002, so tards conclide that Ruby & Sapphire killed the franchise.
I agree though that many zoom zooms fetishize GBA because of muh Y2K.

>> No.10347156

The 3d sprite look works on the correct resolution lcds or any such simulation. Unfortunately it looks like shit on one of those ips screen mods or plain jane vanilla through an emulator

>> No.10347434

>>10347131
it's basically a portable SNES. It's fantastic, and it has one of the best libraries of any handheld

>> No.10347491

>>10347058
there are many instances of devs foregoing a reliable 2d top down design in favor of experimenting with 3d, either through literal terrible 3d gameplay or ugly ill suited isometric presentation. It' doesn't delegitimize the platform or anything like that but it's not a made up meme either.

>> No.10347502

>>10347491
>many instances
wow, great argument with no examples whatsoever.

>> No.10347505

>>10347058
It's not so much "too much 2D" as "too many inferior ports of SNES titles"

>> No.10347513

>>10347502
no just a statement of truth.

>> No.10347518

>>10347513
buddy, give at least 3 examples. that's what I meant but you didn't get it

>> No.10347532

>>10347434
that's the problem though. GBA is a weird case of a platform where the best sellers were almost all ports. Mario Advance, ALTTP, DKC, NES Classic, hell, even Namco Classics. this and Pokemon is all 90% of people know, give or take stuff like Mario Kart.
today these ports are mostly pointless, so naturally those who don't know any better might start to think that GBA had no games.
>>10347505
there are some people who still believe GBA was capable of 3D but Nintendo "forced" devs to go 2D. they all believe that because of that one demo of RE2 and the fact that GBA was 32 bit (true but it had no 3D acceleration, so it wasn't like PS1 at all).

>> No.10347541

>>10347532
>there are some people who still believe GBA was capable of 3D but Nintendo "forced" devs to go 2D. they all believe that because of that one demo of RE2 and the fact that GBA was 32 bit (true but it had no 3D acceleration, so it wasn't like PS1 at all).
GBA had a number of fully or nearly fully 3D games.

>> No.10347546

>>10345441
There's a big difference between 80% on a console with shit tons and shit tons of games vs one with a handful of games.

>> No.10347560

>>10347541
true, but those were clearly a minority. I don't think anyone like Nintendo or Capcom / Konami / etc. made any 3D games for it except for "mode 7" kart racers.

>> No.10347568

>>10347560
megaman battle network series? mario and luigi superstar saga?

>> No.10347576

>>10347568
how the fuck is this "3D"? is 2D Zelda also 3D then?

>> No.10347580

>>10347560
>true, but those were clearly a minority. I don't think anyone like Nintendo or Capcom / Konami / etc. made any 3D games for it except for "mode 7" kart racers.
True. It just annoys me when people say stuff like "GBA could not do 3D!" when it could. I should know, I worked on V Rally 3 for the GBA.

>> No.10347607

>>10347580
>I worked on V Rally 3 for the GBA
really? very nice.
it's not like "it couldn't do 3D". it could… at a very low framerate and resolution. some people even ported Tomb Raider 1 to GBA, not sure how they managed this though.

>> No.10347618

>>10347576
>game has three dimensions
>objects within it have meaningful height, width, and length
>THAT'S NOT 3D!

I suppose I'm a fictional character straight out of flatland because I have no idea what your concept of a sphere is

>> No.10347627

>>10345441
the max payne game looks neat but plays like ass, true lies on the snes mogs it.

>> No.10347630

>>10347618
Literally not 3D.
Also, explain what is wrong with isometric perspective, and why you just can't play all of the games that don't use it.

>> No.10347632

>>10347560
Cause 3D games on the GBA are kind of shitty.
They're there if you want to play them though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10XvFEwoCE4

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>>10345441
2D was considered old by then. 5th gen came and went, so 3D was the standard not a novelty any more.
My retarded kid self didn't know the difference between real 3D and prerendered sprites.

>> No.10347653

>>10347632
Top Gear Rally is a genuinely excellent game. It uses tricks to accomplish its 3D-looking track to play smoothly instead of being a slideshow.

>> No.10347656

>>10347607
>really? very nice.
Thanks. Warms my heart to see Anons talking about it sometimes. A lot of hard work and love was put into making the GBA version. A thing I'll immediately say is that I am not Guillaume Dubail, but I did work with Velez & Dubail Dev. Team on the game as a Infogrames contractor.
>it's not like "it couldn't do 3D". it could… at a very low framerate and resolution. some people even ported Tomb Raider 1 to GBA, not sure how they managed this though.
It came down to money, mostly. In 2003-4 the team I was working with at the time gained early access to a larger GBA carts that would be used for GBA Video carts and we had a fully 3D FPS partially completed, but Infogrames had us can the project due to the overall cost.
>>10347653
You are 100% correct, Anon. TGR is easily one of the best made games on the GBA. It uses a bit of 2D in clever ways that most people never notice. I have a great respect for the lads from Tantalus who made such a great game. I also fondly, vaguely remember meeting some of the staff for a show and them drinking my team under the table. Absolute stellar lads.

>> No.10347660

Monkey Ball Jr is an impressively done port
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHIUp5s1WE
Why you would not just play regular Super Monkey Ball though, I don't know.

>> No.10347662

>>10347653
car games besides the full retard literal 3d ones are fine, there's no alternative in 2d that doesn't also have drawbacks. it's the non car 3d games that are the issue.

>> No.10347667

>>10347662
There's probably literally hundreds of games on the GBA that aren't doing anything 3D. I don't understand what your problem is.
Did you just exclusively play The Urbz when you were a kid?

>> No.10347670

>>10347630
they usually had ugly psuedo 3d graphics and it often made judging perspective in action games difficult. I would not complain about a jrpg with sprite art being isometric.

>> No.10347679

>>10347667
I'm not saying it's some huge issue or that the gba is shit like op. it's just a bad trend on the console

>> No.10347682

I play gen 3 like an MMO but yeah if you have a SNES there ain't much else

>> No.10347684

>>10347670
>usually
>often
still not a single example. ok retard. just as expected from a shit take like this. I can only guess you mean games like Max Payne, in which case what the hell did you expect even.

>> No.10347685

>>10347670
What's wrong with these?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaLtX6PTcKo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTdCeGOjd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1oq7hgZBx4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8m8iUxoWnmo

>> No.10347793

>>10347632
Crazy Taxi: Catch A Ride is actually not bad imo, same with Super Monkey Ball Jr.

>> No.10347810

>>10345441
What if THQ didn't exist and this thing's library wasn't full of cartoon tie-in shovelware?

>> No.10347816

>>10347810
Then there would be less games on it.

>> No.10347841

>>10347810
I never get arguments like these. Why are you so butthurt about games EXISTING? How does this affect you? You won't be playing them, right? So why bother?
>but they are in muh library
And?? Are you just playing every GBA game in order or something? Or a random release every time? You don't like these games—don't play them, end of story. No one even cares about those in 2023.

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>>10345441
It needed 4 face buttons and a lit screen and no tendie seething can convince me otherwise, Nintendo blew it...

>> No.10348057

>>10347434
It's between a SNES and a PS1. It's more powerful than people give it credit for.

>> No.10348065 [DELETED] 

>>10348013
Gotta be eighteen to post here, kid.

>> No.10348084

>>10348013
i completely agree with that except i believe the GBA SP had a backlit screen
4 face buttons would've been really nice though, it would've been a handheld SNES but better

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>>10348065
I'm way over that, grew up with a GBA and even then as a kid these issues bothered me, I ain't no kid, I just have standards, and always had them, unlike fanatic tendies.

>> No.10348101

>>10348084
I know, the GBA SP was awesome when it came out... but I had the OG one and the screen absolutely sucked, I've never forgiven Nintendo for it. I feel that the GBA SP is 2 face buttons short of being the perfect handheld, it's got a fantastic library still, but it could've been an even more amazing device if Nintendo didn't mess this up...

>> No.10348104

>>10348101
yeah, i 100% agree

>> No.10348109

>>10347434
It only had two buttons, but what are the comfiest games?

>> No.10348205

>>10347841
>emubabby thinks games were free in 2003 and everyone who owned a GBA had Ninja Five-O and Golden Sun
It shows that you never actully had a GBA back in the day.

>> No.10348278

>>10346006
GBA probably had the most isometric games out of any console.

>> No.10348281

>>10348205
why are you arguing about the "library" then? you had money to buy the whole library? or you're just saying that licensed games were what everyone played? again—how is that GBA's fault?
every platform had lots of licensed games, the amount of disney cart racers alone on PS1 was insane. so?
I bet the issue was simple: GBA was made for kids first and foremost. kids like cartoons and they and their parents have no clue about what games are good.

>> No.10348331 [DELETED] 

>>10348281
I don't recall the shovelware being anywhere as bad even with the Gameboy and GBC i could easily find fun games to play. Even today with full romsets and "/v/'s|/vr/'s recommended GBA games" guides i still struggle to find anything on the GBA that isn't basically Atari 2600 tier gameplay mixed with pseudo-3D SNES graphix.
And i'm also saying this because i find it funny that Nintoddlers who bitch about PS1, PS2 and Computers being full of shovelware will sòyface over this purple piece of shit and act like it had more than eight games worth playing when you stray beyond the first party Nintendo stuff. The hypocrisy is wild.

>> No.10348341

>>10347082
Your mom is dishonest and low-class, at best.

>> No.10348357

>>10347505
>inferior ports of SNES titles
How else were you going to play those games at work? You say it like it's a bad thing. No one gave a fuck about your consoomer hindsight.

>> No.10348428

>>10348331
see
>Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow, Rhythm Tengoku, Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, WarioWare (Twisted), Metroid Fusion & Zero Mission, Mother 3, Wario Land 4, Mario & Luigi, Golden Sun, FFT Advance, Kirby & The Amazing Mirror, Sonic Advance 3, Mega Man Zero 3 & 4 are all excellent games, and there's more if you're actually willing to dig (see: RCR EX, Guru Logi Champ, Kururin, & more).
but of course I don't think you're actually looking for games, because you said "Atari 2600 tier gameplay mixed with pseudo-3D SNES graphix". you just want to be retarded because GBA fucked your mom or something. I hope it was that tattoo edition SP.
and btw—I'll admit that personally I don't think GBA library has THAT many good games. but I can name at least 20 really good ones, I mean original titles, and that's not counting Pokemon. not bad for a system that lasted 3 years and where Nintendo didn't work too hard and mostly just ported stuff.
GBA brought Advance Wars and Fire Emblem to the West, it gave start to some great series like WarioWare, Rhythm Tengoku and Mario & Luigi, and was home to some pure 2D kino like Aria of Sorrow and Metroid Fusion. this alone makes it at least decent.

>> No.10348429

>>10345441
GBA had too many pre rendered sprites

>> No.10348763

>>10348205
Even as a kid, if you were exclusively buying Spongebob and Hana Montana games, you were a moron.
At the time, I pretty much had a lot of Megaman games, a lot of Sonic games, a lot of Nintendo franchises like Zelda and Metroid, because you could rely on those to be good. I had one Scooby Doo game that someone gave me as a present, and it was okay.

>> No.10348926

Can we share our favorite GBA titles here?
My favorites are Astro Boy: Omega Factor, WarioWare, Inc.: Mega Microgame$!, Super Mario Advance 3 and 4, Kirby & The Amazing Mirror, Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land, the Densetsu no Stafy trilogy, Mr. Driller A (probably my favorite), Hamtaro: Ham-Ham Heartbreak, and Bomberman Tournament.

>> No.10349668

>>10348763
GBA wasn't hard to figure out, as usual anything 1st party Nintendo and Mega Man / Castlevania / Sonic was good, and ports of FF / Double Dragon / RCR were also pretty obvious choices. and even if you got something like THPS / Crash games, they were decent.

>> No.10349713

>>10348357
That was perfectly fine logic for the time.
Just don't recommend GBA ports over SNES originals. They are almost never better.
(And, if Nintendo had shipped hardware with slightly better specs this wouldn't be an issue).

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10349718

People keep shitting on the GBA not having 4 face buttons but Mario World on GBA had the superior control layout.
Spin jump on R is so good, I always remap my buttons that way when I play hacks.

>> No.10350337

>>10349718
I agree anony, having the spin jump on R is very nice and comfy.

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>>10348964
>>10350336
>>10349726
>>10348737

>>10350712
>>10348223
>>10350513
>>10347732
>>10348339
>>10347787
>>10346341

>> No.10352098

>>10348428
Notice also that poster's last statement
>And i'm also saying this because i find it funny that Nintoddlers who bitch about PS1, PS2 and Computers being full of shovelware will sòyface over this purple piece of shit and act like it had more than eight games worth playing when you stray beyond the first party Nintendo stuff. The hypocrisy is wild.
It was never about honest criticism, it's about pissing off an imagined enemy and him putting an imagined viewpoint into your mouth. It's just consolewar faggotry AGAIN.

>> No.10352107

>>10349718

No

>> No.10352124

>>10352098
It's a legitimate response when someone comes out of the gate saying "3000 games released! Best console ever!", because then you have to account for the fact that at least two thirds of those games are going to be trash on such a level that they should hardly be counted at all.
That doesn't mean the console is suddenly tainted though. You just don't play the shovelware, or you play it to laugh at it.

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>>10345441
I think isometric video games are often fun and there's nothing wrong with them fundamentally at all, it's how they could pull of "3D" on the GBA and its hardware, but to each their own I guess...

>> No.10354202

>>10353676
There literally are 3D games on the GBA though.
>>10347660
Isometric graphics, in the case of Megaman Battle Network or something, are a stylistic choice.

>> No.10354576

>>10354202
2.5D
that's why he used quotation marks

>> No.10354582

>>10354576
How is Monkey Ball Jr not just straight up a 3D game?

>> No.10354589

>>10354582
You are correct, it is 3D

>> No.10354593

>>10345441
The GBAs biggest problem is the sheer amount of shovelware actually makes it hard to find good games.

>> No.10354598

>>10354593
It's pretty easy to avoid licensed games anon

>> No.10354606

>>10354593
No it doesn't. It never did.
People bought franchises they knew like Castlevania and Megaman, and new stuff like Golden Sun actually had a pretty decent marketing push. I remember the advertising inserts/posters that came with games used to show all of that stuff off.
Were you people even alive back then?

There's going to be "hidden gems" that slip through the cracks, sure, and that's true of literally any system.

>> No.10354991

>>10354598
shovelware doesn't necessarily mean licensed game. For example there's two Medal of Honor games, is the good one the handheld version of the excellent PS1 title, Underground? Or the no-name handheld only title with the generic subtitle: Infiltrator.

>>10354606
Faggot there's like 8 mega man battlenetwork games alone, and most are not worth bothering with unless you're a slave to the series and want to mind-numbingly grind them to completion because the gameplay is so lackluster and trivial after a point they are barely worth acknowledging.

>> No.10355105

>>10354991
Why would you play a Medal of Honor game on the GBA? This sounds like a you problem, more than anything.
I had a pretty good inkling of what was going to be good on the GBA, and I had a good time playing it.

1. you buy Nintendo franchises, because it's a Nintendo console, and those are bound to be high quality games (no shit)
2. you buy games in established franchises that are likely to translate well to the system. Castlevania, Megaman, Sonic, Metal Slug, etc
3. you buy miscellaneous games you heard were good from friends, or by reading magazines. This might include Turok Evolution, or a Wayforward game or whatever.

Why is this hard?

>> No.10355123

>>10355105
>1. you buy Nintendo franchises, because it's a Nintendo console, and those are bound to be high quality games (no shit)
I'm well aware of the poor quality of nintendo releases at the time to know this will result in disappointment.
>2. you buy games in established franchises that are likely to translate well to the system. Castlevania, Megaman, Sonic, Metal Slug, etc
See above, megaman was a mess on the console. Play Mega Man & Bass and you'll think it's a piece of shit on GBA.
>3. you buy miscellaneous games you heard were good from friends, or by reading magazines. This might include Turok Evolution, or a Wayforward game or whatever.
Wayforward makes dogshit, they aren't worth the time. Medal of Honor Infiltrator is better than all the games you've listed and you don't even think it's worth playing.

Why is this hard? Why do you think? I don't think it's worth wasting my time with the shitty mario advance demakes.

>> No.10355131

>>10355123
I don't think Medal of Honor games are worth playing in general.

>> No.10355146

>>10355131
How unrefined.

>> No.10355642

>>10348341
Autist

>> No.10355817

>>10347656
>we had a fully 3D FPS partially completed, but Infogrames had us can the project due to the overall cost.
Any chance the prototype could ever surface? Was there anything concrete about the project, like the setting?
An Alone in the Dark on GBA by Infogrames would have been top-notch. But I don't know how successful the GBC one was.

>> No.10355834

>>10345441
What if they gave the gba 4 face buttons?