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Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:37:19 2023 No.10339203 [Reply] [Original]

>all this variety in a cohesive 3D world filled with awesome sidequests, minigames, a dozen big dungeons, horror elements, avant-garde combat and one of the best and most memorable vidya OSTs which is even a gameplay device, similar to how time travel is used for story as well as exploration
>Majora's Mask only one year later, arguably on the same level
>when half the 1998 games still had pre-rendered backgrounds or completely samey levels and gameplay like MediEvil
Unironically how did they do it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:41:19 2023 No.10339212 >>10339203 Ocarina of Time is not a good game and you have bad taste if you like it

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:43:08 2023 No.10339214 >>10339203 Shinto magic >>10339212 The whole world disagrees with you. You might have mental illness

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:44:23 2023 No.10339216 >>10339214 Nope, the whole world has no taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:46:42 2023 No.10339218 File: 88 KB, 197x288, GrogOoT3D.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339212 >>10339216 >LARPing as Grog

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:47:46 2023 No.10339220 Right time and place has a lot to do with it. If the remake of this game is anything to go by, the look and feel is an accident of the system specs. They wanted it to look goofy and disney like.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:50:02 2023 No.10339227 Yeah, walking across empty open fields is so fun...

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:52:19 2023 No.10339229 >>10339227 Helped making the world feel bigger. That's like complaining sea games have some emptiness between islands. Didn't feel too empty when exploring the game for the first time anyway

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:56:45 2023 No.10339235 File: 299 KB, 615x647, 6363.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >avant-garde combat

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 22:58:22 2023 No.10339240 >>10339235 >literally one of three games that have this kind of target lock >easily does it the best while switching between items and melee and ranged Yes? Retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:06:51 2023 No.10339253 >>10339214 >Shinto magic ding ding ding ding

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:08:22 2023 No.10339260 File: 763 KB, 620x499, 1455436154751.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339203 Not my cup of tea anymore but I can acknowledge it's the game that deserves the GOAT label the most of all the games out there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:13:03 2023 No.10339273 FPBP

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:15:12 2023 No.10339281 File: 111 KB, 400x240, guide-mm-keatonquiz-overview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339214 >Shinto magic /thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:21:53 2023 No.10339292 >>10339212 Should've said overrated or nothing special or something. Now you just look like a low-IQ shitposter who wanted to make the first negative post in a Nintendo thread

Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:25:28 2023 No.10339302

When I first played it 5 years ago I didn't feel it was anything special or even that good, just an ok adventure game. But when I play games nowadays I always notice little things OOT did perfectly, it's very subtle. I guess you never notice them until they're gone.

Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:27:12 2023 No.10339304

>>10339220
There are tons of gaudy N64 games and Twilight Princess (a sequel in many ways, same artist) doesn't want to look like Disney either. At least think before you shitpost
>>10339273
And stop acting like your samefagging isn't obvious just because you change your IP. I pray that you aren't actually a janny here, even if it would explain why you're browsing the catalog 24/7

Absolute mongoloid kek

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:30:24 2023 No.10339313 File: 61 KB, 500x500, artworks-000061362312-bynuoc-t500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339304 tp could've dethroned ocarina without miyamoto's autism

Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:32:08 2023 No.10339316

>>10339203
I feel like zelda games can only impress you if you only play like 2 games in a decade. Like you need to be a hyper casual and you play these once every 5 years to see "how far video games have come." Like you went from space invaders to zelda 1 and ocarina of time to twilight princess with nothing in between. If you actually play games they just don't hold up, remotely.

Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:35:20 2023 No.10339320

>>10339302
I always recommend people to play some other action adventure games of that era before playing OoT, like Tomb Raider, Alundra or Brave Fencer
>>10339313
Or it was going to be a catastrophe and Miyamoto saved it. We literally don't know shit other than Miyamoto did thing

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:36:25 2023 No.10339323 >>10339316 >all the critics who gave it 100% haven't played games before

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:36:49 2023 No.10339324 >>10339302 I was initially put off by it because I was a LttP fanatic and wanted more 2d games. Over time, OoT's unique immersive world has completely won me over and I definitely would more likely replay it than LttP.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:36:55 2023 No.10339325 >>10339323 Clearly lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:37:56 2023 No.10339328 >>10339316 No, it's just really good and a nigh perfect 3D interpretation of ALTTP which people already loved

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:38:57 2023 No.10339329 >>10339328 deserves even less praise for being an unoriginal concept

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:45:53 2023 No.10339342 >>10339316 Please post these other games. The open world adventure games from 1998 with 10/10 art design, world building, dungeon design, etc.

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:51:25 2023 No.10339348 >>10339218 I always tried to figure out this guy's family tree in Kakariko. Is the witch actually his mother? She seems too ugly for the carpenter boss

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 20 23:53:41 2023 No.10339353 >>10339342 As someone who pretty much played every single game there is; there's nothing that comes close. People like that or especially this retard >10339212 (probably the same person) are just buttmad console warriors

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:04:56 2023 No.10339381 >>10339203 >avant-garde combat What's avant-garde about waiting for your opponent to reveal their weakness 3 times?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:08:22 2023 No.10339389 >>10339203 I still remember a magazine being blwon away by the camera AI and how it looks up like that when climbing ladders. We take a lot of things this game did back then for granted today.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:25:03 2023 No.10339419 >>10339203 the night time ambience in this game is seriously unparalleled. it's just so comfy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:33:09 2023 No.10339434 File: 2.95 MB, 3507x2865, Brightis643.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339203 Unlike OoT, Brightis (1999) had zero pre-rendered backgrounds.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:34:36 2023 No.10339437 >>10339434 Looks ok…

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:46:50 2023 No.10339461
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>>10339381
The fact that no one cared about FromSoftware before they copied Zelda and then became the most popular action RPG devs. Or that even Devil May Cry is inspired by OoT's combat and not by MediEvil or Xena or whatever you played on your Goystation then

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 00:55:43 2023 No.10339479 File: 442 KB, 640x480, dosbox-2012-09-29-19-34-41-93.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339434 >everything outside a 10-foot radius is either white or black Never understood why the PS1 got away with it while "N64 fog" became a meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 01:03:31 2023 No.10339493 >>10339212 Nice bait

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:03:28 2023 No.10339728 File: 87 KB, 796x661, IMG_2594.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Imagine shitting on this >>10339203 and then posting this >>10339434 Snôynism is a psychiatric conditon

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:18:07 2023 No.10339771

>>10339348
She's presumably his grandmother, the carpenter's wife is the fat woman with the weird mouth.

>>10339220
The remake looking all "goofy and Disney like" is a fault of the remake and doesn't indicate the original game was supposed to be like that. Like, we have full scale background pre-renders showing that it was modeled semi-realistically. The original game just has much more tasteful lighting.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 03:28:52 2023 No.10339790 >>10339212 He's right. Nobody in my friend circle ever talked about oot once we all beat it. Its so strange how this board won't shutup about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:01:19 2023 No.10339912 >>10339292 it's not low IQ if it's the truth OoT is literal dog shit of a game

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:06:16 2023 No.10339919 >>10339790 >>10339912 Mention a superior game then, if you are so great.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:10:56 2023 No.10339925 File: 218 KB, 835x560, XZ4Aq.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339919 Dragons trap.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:15:13 2023 No.10339930 >>10339479 All 5th gen consoles were well known for draw distance limitations in the day, zoomers call it N64 fog because they've only seen it in Turok.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:31:41 2023 No.10339947 File: 52 KB, 500x500, artworks-77qQ1fpVDyk5DtMW-Dnhe6Q-t500x500.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339925 Based.

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 05:51:22 2023 No.10339971
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>>10339930
Panzer Dragoon didn't have this problem. N64 put out lazy games where it was easier to say a mad scientist filled their games with fog rather than fix it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 06:10:12 2023 No.10339986 >>10339434 Tried this a while ago. Unpolished and obviously not as ambitious as Ocarina but nice vibes and snappy controls. Maybe the only PS1 game that attempts a real 3D Terranigma/ALTTP

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 06:52:22 2023 No.10340049 >>10339461 MediEvil = sovl Zelda 64 = default-as-shit fat cat slop

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 07:06:09 2023 No.10340067 >>10339203 MM a little under 2 years later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 07:09:55 2023 No.10340071 >>10339919 Majora's Mask

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 07:16:14 2023 No.10340076 Majora Mask is different since you are not in Hyrule Ganon is not the Villain Zelda only appears in a single flashback Link Awakening even has a references to Ganon but Majora Mask feels like a different Game like its not a Zelda Game

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 07:19:54 2023 No.10340081 File: 178 KB, 600x250, rabbitholes.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10340076 It's an Alice in Wonderland game

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 07:21:11 2023 No.10340085

Majora Mask is different since you are not in Hyrule Ganon is not the Villain Zelda only appears in a single flashback Link Awakening even has a references to Ganon but Majora Mask feels like a different game like its not a Zelda game Majora Mask is a unique game similar to Adventure of Link

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 09:36:42 2023 No.10340256
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>>10339947
what is that abomination from? the only thing i can find is this: https://soundcloud.com/poloschiptuneemporium/sonic-1-game-gear-medley-genesis-style

in return, here's something i found using google reverse image search

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 10:35:08 2023 No.10340323 >>10339971 >Panzer Dragoon didn't have this problem Shit pops in five feet away in Panzer Dragoon. Not counting the times it renders a literal infinite plain of nothing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 10:57:33 2023 No.10340337 >>10339479 Because the N64 did fog in a distinct way that has a characteristic look to it when it covers things. It's not that N64 games didn't have crazy draw distances where you could see hundreds of feet out, like its best games do.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 11:01:38 2023 No.10340343 >>10339212 it is a good game, is not a master piece like some people claim though but it is a good game you are just a faggot and more than likely a zoomer

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 14:02:52 2023 No.10340585 >>10340343 >is not a master piece like some people claim There is no game that deserves being called a masterpiece more than OoT. And you can't even spell masterpiece

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 15:58:38 2023 No.10340808 >>10339461 are you roleplaying as dante? >>10339728 Are you roleplaying as penis right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 16:21:43 2023 No.10340886 >>10340808 We call those reaction images here, newfag

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 16:25:44 2023 No.10340896 File: 694 KB, 867x554, best pre dungeon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Level design peaked here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 16:27:46 2023 No.10340898 >>10340896 Skyward Sword is like this for an entire game but people shit on it

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 16:45:35 2023 No.10340935 >>10340896 Looks kinda simplistic compared to what id Software did in Doom and Quake

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 16:52:57 2023 No.10340950 File: 463 KB, 724x380, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10340886 for my role i'll be sesshomaru kills u

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 17:16:51 2023 No.10340996
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>>10340935
Because it is. A hint of level design but not so much it's no longer but sinuous or organic. Transitory places like Death Mountain, anywhere before the forest temple, Zora's Domain, the ice cavern, the desert and all those shortcuts in the overworld stuck with me more than the dungeon crawling.
>>10340898
Skyward's problem is that 2/3 of the game is volcanoes and deserts. Not comfy. The forest is excellent and perhaps peak Zelda.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 17:48:14 2023 No.10341080 >>10339771 >the carpenter's wife is the fat woman with the weird mouth. hey, leave my mother out of this

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 17:56:34 2023 No.10341104

>>10339214
>Kabuki theater
I didn't know gimped hardware was magical.
>The whole world disagrees with you. You might have mental illness
Hot shit to say for someone living through Dada 2.0, keep following the lemmings.

>>10339313
TP is revenge for Wind Waker

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:15:27 2023 No.10341152
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>>10339203
Still the best game ever and probably easily so. Realized this recently
>play through the entire game (Master Quest)
>always get an error literally before the final cutscene
>fuck it
>use a different rom but the base game
>play through the entire game again and enjoy it just as much, taking note of all the differences in dungeons
No other game of this size I could do that with

If anyone's interested I can post my thoughts on base OoT vs. MQ. I think tl;dr would be that the combat really shines in MQ with all the strong enemies everywhere but dungeon design is just a bit too weird and random in MQ and sometimes actually easier and more linear

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:19:03 2023 No.10341164 >>10339790 Your friend circle is dumb

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:21:14 2023 No.10341172 >>10341152 Particularly the first half simply has a very addictive sense of progression. Everyone can speedrun the first dungeon. Rest is dominoes.

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:28:53 2023 No.10341187
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>>10341152
I used to think I liked OoT for its atmosphere before I played Master Quest and realised how fucking integral the dungeons were. The whole game turned into a piece of shit, still finished it though. Didn't have fun at all. Same thing goes for the 2nd quest in Zelda 1

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:38:55 2023 No.10341220

>>10339203
I love OoT and have since I was 10, but I've never tried to play MM. Even as a kid the idea of being on a timer turned me right off, I'd spend hours just exploring Hyrule field and checking out all the corners of the map. Being on a deadline just sounded awful.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:44:36 2023 No.10341235 >>10339316 What kind of cope is this lol

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 18:54:51 2023 No.10341272

>>10339342
Alundra has more interesting and creative puzzles, better dungeons and a more intricate map than Zelda's OOT desert.
What you said about world building surprises me, given that Zelda is precisely one of the fantasy series with the simplest stories and characters. Even the most minor jrpg has a more creative plot and more defined characters than Zelda.

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 19:03:53 2023 No.10341292

>>10340585
Well, obviously you're already cumming as soon as you see the Nintendo logo. Other people might be disappointed by the unoriginal plot and plain characters, the atrocious framerate, the mediocre and easy puzzles, the desertic map, the easy battles, the mysterious forest being just a bunch of corridors, the midi songs, the excessive number of automatisms, the grotesque designs of a lot of minor characters (and it wasn't intentional, Zelda Twilight or Skyward give us a clear image of what they wanted to accomplish)...

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 19:11:49 2023 No.10341308 File: 117 KB, 372x241, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10341292 I always thought the character designs in oot and newer zeldas was "what if mario, but realistic+ugly?" and this is the result idk this just gave low poly a bad name.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 19:32:04 2023 No.10341357 >>10339790 This is true, I don't remember anyone talking about it until they were in their 20s

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 20:37:05 2023 No.10341509 >>10339220 The remake was outsourced.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 20:38:31 2023 No.10341514 >>10339235 It was avante-garde in the literal sense.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 20:43:52 2023 No.10341527 >>10339216 based self-confidence enjoyer

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 20:51:01 2023 No.10341542 >>10339313 I thought this screenshot was from Shadow of the Colossus before I opened it

Anonymous Sat Oct 21 23:41:56 2023 No.10341892

>>10339790
You are a zoomer or third-worlder then. Every single pixel and musical note in this game was discussed ad nauseam. No really, actual pixels
https://secretsofgaming.fandom.com/wiki/Ocarina_of_Time_-_Steal_the_fisherman%27s_hat
and musical notes
https://danbruno.net/writing/ocarina/
You can literally just type random shit into Google and will find lively discussions about it many years after release
https://zeldauniverse.net/forums/index.php?thread/91027-gerudo-valley-confusion/
https://virtualbastion.com/2015/03/24/overlooked-pointless-giant-things-in-ocarina-of-time/
https://www.reddit.com/r/zelda/comments/jdpeqg/oot_something_i_noticed_about_the_ocarina_songs/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-sound-design-of-n64-era-zelda-has-never-been-topped.717052/

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 23:44:18 2023 No.10341897 File: 595 KB, 1329x1800, perfection.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10341292 >Other people might be disappointed Only the people in your head. And nice wall of buzzwords

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 23:45:30 2023 No.10341898 >>10341220 You unironically need to be a bit autistic to love MM as much as OoT. Definitely a good game either way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 23:54:50 2023 No.10341917 >>10340081 Realizing this is what made me appreciate MM a lot more.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 21 23:59:37 2023 No.10341929 >>10341898 Does the game keep interrupting you while playing or is the 3 day gimmick somehow non obtrusive? I've never even tried to play it because I thought I'd hate it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 00:25:00 2023 No.10341976 >>10340896 Peak level design is Jabu Jabu. It's almost 100% open and the only challenge is for you to find the red thread. Most underrated dungeon

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 00:35:18 2023 No.10341991

>>10339203
OoT is a fine game, but I'm beyond sick of this ridiculous notion it's some masterpiece. It's a fundamentally sound, well designed game with an intended audience of 6-14 year olds. If you're still in your late teens, or even worse your 30s and 40s and still pretending this game is unparalleled, I would genuinely ask what the hell is wrong with you?
The Z-taegeting was absolutely revolutionary in its quality, especially for it's time, but other than being mechanically sound what about the combat in this game is actually good? The enemies have 2 attacks max, they're all dumb as fuck with barely any AI, all the attacks are slow and telegraphed and the game as a whole has no difficulty or depth at all.
Same with the "exploration" which at the end of the day is walking around a pretty empty Hyrule field, and maybe you blow up a rock and find a cow in a hidden well, or a patch of grass that gives you 5 deku nuts you already have 30 of.
If like most Nintendo fans youve never played more than 5ish games in your life not made by Nintendo, I can see how this might still be amazing to you, but considering games like Fallout, Baldurs Gate, Tomb Raider, Resident Evil, System Shock 2, Duke 3D, all came out around the same time, I dont know how anyone who exposes themselves to games that dont exclusively involve Hyrule or the mushroom kingdom can seriously hold this game up in such high regard to this day.
It's not a bad game at all, but it's also like saying your favorite meal is a bowl of cereal.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 00:45:34 2023 No.10342006 >>10341892 >giant crows This is the kinda shit I love replaying the game for. You always discover random antics you never knew

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 00:53:33 2023 No.10342017 >>10342006 I always loved going back and forth between times and picking out all the things that changed over the 7 years, notably how Kakariko Village added buildings that were under construction when you were a kid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 00:54:48 2023 No.10342020 >>10341991 >OoT is a fine game, but I'm beyond sick of this ridiculous notion it's some masterpiece. must suck for you

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:24:33 2023 No.10342064
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>>10342006
>old witch always turning her ear to you because she's blind
>stealing the fisherman's hat
>bats always dropping hearts (vampirism)
>3 types the ocarina notes if you keep z or r pressed, allowing for complex melodies for fun (or secrets?)
>can cut off a stalchild's head/blind it
>Ruto implying sexy time
>can swim faster tapping B
>Salia asking why ocarina sounds different
>Z-targeting sounds depend on location/context
>fairies in Kokiri Village gathering around you if you do nothing
>graveyard ghosts implying Link has royal roots (Link and Zelda = relatives? Would explain the lack of romance)
>10/10 sound design, example is how you can hear Talon snorring from miles away, getting incrementally louder
>lots of audio cues: Lost Woods, Phantom Ganon, Wallmasters, chickens, grottos, etc.
>Hyrule Field theme adapts, more relaxed if just chilling
>secret Bombshu shop
>shadows stretching as the sun moves across the sky
>lots of ignored minor lore like bomb bags made of Dodongo stomach linings, red tunic out of its scales
>Epona crying if shooting her while galloping
>can get milk from cows
>only need iron boots like 7 times in the Water Temple--shows how many people got filtered by it for the boots to become a meme
>Gossip Stone behind Deku Tree says someone left the forest and lives on (could mean Link, but then why hide it so well?)
>upgrading deku sticks early is worth it
>inaccessible(?) underwater cave in Zora's Domain
>that grotto in Lost Woods
>Navi isn't nearly as annoying as memes have it--shows how much people loved ambling/exploring in this world
>only Volvagia is evil of the three--manga might be onto something
>directional sword attacks have their purpose
>mountains behind Jabu-Jabu look just like Dueling Peaks in BotW, geographically not far off
Was my last run but there's probably countless more and the obvious like crouch stab or dying soldier. Didn't even know you actually find that mail man out in the fields desu

>>10341991
Unironically meds

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:27:13 2023 No.10342072 File: 2.14 MB, 1440x1080, dueling peaks.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10342064 >>mountains behind Jabu-Jabu look just like Dueling Peaks in BotW, geographically not far off

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:29:41 2023 No.10342078 >>10342064 I always wanted to see what was behind the caged shark in the Lake Hyrule lab pool.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:32:29 2023 No.10342082 >>10342064 i didn't even know the eel thing is real and not just /x/ shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:33:09 2023 No.10342083 >>10342082 eel thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:33:41 2023 No.10342084 File: 1.30 MB, 1440x1080, wadda.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10342064 >inaccessible(?) underwater cave in Zora's Domain Probs just worldbuilding tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:41:51 2023 No.10342092 >>10339203 This is crazy for 5th gen

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:43:21 2023 No.10342095 >>10342083 that unique fish in the fishing pond

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:51:06 2023 No.10342108 >>10342095 >fishing pond Nothing as satisfying as catching a fish that's bigger than Link. Fuck speedrun autists reverse engineering everything and trying to take the magic out of things

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 01:59:47 2023 No.10342116 >>10342064 The ox demon skeleton outside Ganon's castle. Doesn't look like any of the other bones in the game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 05:09:59 2023 No.10342392 >>10339212 I forgot to mention that I'm trans

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 05:20:23 2023 No.10342414 >>10339212 I just got warned for clowning on this troll and shitposter. It's 100% a janny, if there was any doubt

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 05:30:05 2023 No.10342438

>>10342064
Meds for what? What amazing and intense battles are there to be had in OoT? What fantastic secrets are there to be found?
I mean look at the total absurdity of your list for the type of weird mental illness that supposed grown men posses over this game. Bats drop health pickups, and you can push a button to swim faster!
I would genuinely love someone who basedfaces over getting a milk item from a cow to play Ultima 7 or Fallout.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 05:36:22 2023 No.10342459 >>10342064 >>stealing the fisherman's hat tried this a million times and came to accept it's just a hoax

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 05:40:22 2023 No.10342464 >>10342459 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns5BG-zKPYI

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 05:44:24 2023 No.10342469 File: 359 KB, 640x348, 20061297981633623845.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10342464 >modders do what devs don't sovl

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 06:34:32 2023 No.10342536 File: 3.59 MB, 742x2118, ludorf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10342116 That's a King Bulblin

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 06:57:29 2023 No.10342571
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>>10342438
>Meds for what?
For trying to convince people that the game that probably sat on more GOAT lists than any other game is nothing special post after post. To even care so much instead of letting people enjoy what they enjoy
>I would genuinely love someone who basedfaces over getting a milk item from a cow to play Ultima 7 or Fallout.
Wasn't supposed to be impressive per se, just some things I noticed on my last playthrough. You're lucky I got cucked by the character limit

I'm convinced I even know the true meaning of the claw marks now

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 07:14:16 2023 No.10342585 File: 1.00 MB, 850x1486, 1628463571294.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339214 >Shinto magic Shota magic

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 07:17:57 2023 No.10342590 >>10342064 Nintendo really went all out with zelda on the 64. Too bad later entries ended up rushed and lazy

>>	Dave Sun Oct 22 07:18:58 2023 No.10342591 Zelda trannies posting the same shit again...

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 08:28:11 2023 No.10342675
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>>10341164
>Your friend circle is dumb
We moved onto other single player games or played games with replay value like GE or anything by AKI. No normal individual wants to replay OOT to get a bigger wallet. Bomberman 64 got more discussion out of us than OOT ever did.
>>10341892
>Every single pixel and musical note in this game was discussed ad nauseam
On this website today, sure but when it launched we talked about it until we beat it then went back to discussing good games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 08:32:21 2023 No.10342681 The world sucked though. It was mostly empty and meaningless since most of the places didn't have a real backstory. And the N64 can't render a landscape that doesn't look like shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 08:49:31 2023 No.10342694 >>10342681 its a early 2000 non rpg game for the N64

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 09:19:07 2023 No.10342742

>>10342681
These are the most bassackwards complains I've honestly ever seen about the game. Like, it was especially notable for having an actual coherent world with its own self consistent lore and immersive, connected 3D landscapes, because there was genuinely nothing quite like that beforehand.

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:18:09 2023 No.10343180

>>10342681
>It was mostly empty and meaningless since most of the places didn't have a real backstory.
What does this even mean? Since when does a lake ned to have a "backstory" to be fun or relaxing to explore and help a world being believable? Do you make these posts with ChatGPT?
>>10342694
You're replying to a samefagging retard who made 20 posts in this thread saying the same shit but with different wording

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:23:09 2023 No.10343187 File: 368 KB, 650x976, fact check.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339212 Adding a community note to this very quick because there could be impressionable kids here Ocarina of Time is in fact universally seen as one of the bes games ever

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:42:47 2023 No.10343231

>>10342742
>it was especially notable for having an actual coherent world with its own self consistent lore
You had all this before and much better done.
OOT just represents incremental technological progress by pushing the old Zelda formula into 3D.

>>10343180
>What does this even mean? Since when does a lake ned to have a "backstory" to be fun or relaxing to explore and help a world being believable?
A lake is just a blue blob on your screen. It's when you have it connected to the larger world through events, environmental storytelling, history, or characters, etc. that make the world come alive.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:43:54 2023 No.10343235 >>10343187 why are half the reviews from sites with nintendo in their name

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:48:32 2023 No.10343245 >>10343187 >GTA 4 and 5 on second and fifth >SA not even on the list That's why you never listen to reviewers.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 14:55:51 2023 No.10343254 File: 52 KB, 1080x770, messi (2).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10340996

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:03:06 2023 No.10343267 >>10343235 >typical Nintendo magazines like Famitsu, IGN, Gamespot, Game Critics, EGM, GamePro >>10343245 >That's why you never listen to reviewers. *Post-retro reviewers. Though all the games in that image are at least good

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:05:09 2023 No.10343274 >>10343267 It has completely worthless shit like NFL the hundred millionth

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:06:09 2023 No.10343278 Zelda died when it went 3D Change my mind You can't

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:07:41 2023 No.10343284 >>10343278 >Change my mind Change my mind that your mind doesn't matter

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:08:44 2023 No.10343285 >>10343187 Anything with a metascore above 90 is unrealistic and cringe.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:09:08 2023 No.10343287 >>10343274 Maybe NFL 2k1 is a good game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:09:28 2023 No.10343289 >>10343274 which was amazing for what it was

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:10:58 2023 No.10343293 >>10343278 Zelda died when it turned into a sidescroller. And then it died again when it went back to top-down-view but forgot that it was supposed to be open world.

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:11:18 2023 No.10343294

>>10342571
I love how your entire argument is that no one should analyze anything ever. It really shows the kind of 80IQ dipshit you are that seems typical with the type that fawns all over this game 20 years past it's target age range.
If the game is such a masterpiece than why can't a single person talk about the amazing combat experiences available in it, or the incredible exploration?
I already said on a tech level the game is fine. Z-targeting was brilliantly done, and having an open world game was fairly new to consoles. Beyond the tech aspects what does the game actually provide? The battles aren't engaging, the exploration isnt rewarded, and the story isn't captivating.
You can run down all your deep headcanon about reused assets and trash mobs drops actually being some immaculately crafted lore because you have developmental disorder all you like, I'm talking about the game itself.
>just let people enjoy things
the calling card of a lemming who has never once had an introspective thought in his life. I don't even dislike the game, I just have to ability to actually have critical thoughts. What about this game is engaging to you? Are you really having a blast hitting a lizard man and having him hop away to hit his brother in an endless cycle? Does using the lens of truth to see a cracked wall with a guy who sells you 30 arrows you're capped out of really fill you with some indescrible glee?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:12:31 2023 No.10343297 >>10343274 That's the one pink elephant in the room. Also a Dreamcast game so a bunch of reviews are from Sega mags >100% from DC Swirl

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:14:29 2023 No.10343308 >>10343294 This better be pasta

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:15:34 2023 No.10343309 >ZELDA LE DIED WHEN I SAID SO >literally sells better than ever before >every maingame becomes GotY

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:17:09 2023 No.10343314 >>10339203 >pre-rendered backgrounds or completely samey levels and gameplay like MediEvil wat

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:18:10 2023 No.10343318 >>10339461 >The fact that no one cared about FromSoftware before they copied Zelda wat

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:20:33 2023 No.10343321 >>10339203 >>Majora's Mask only one year later, arguably on the same level wat x3 Majora's had 4 temples. Nowhere near as much variety as OOT. Most of the focus was on the town.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:22:52 2023 No.10343327 >>10339203 with low detail bury textures and uninspired design >>10339212 i agree >>10339214 >The whole world nope

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:25:47 2023 No.10343334 >>10339203 Sheik was such a cool character. Also male btw

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:27:56 2023 No.10343337 >>10339320 >action adventure >Tomb Raider what about lara croft makes nintentrannies seethe so much?

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:29:56 2023 No.10343340

>>10343294
>If the game is such a masterpiece than why can't a single person talk about the amazing combat experiences available in it, or the incredible exploration?
People do all the time even in this thread. It's just that you're shitposting in it since the very first post and replying to people with autistic text walls

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:30:03 2023 No.10343341 >>10339434 >Implying pre rendered anything is bad. It's all soul

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:31:41 2023 No.10343346 >>10339925 Kek Wonderboy is a shitty grindan and backtrackan series. Adventure Island is the superior successor.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:32:59 2023 No.10343349 >>10343327 >>The whole world >nope True you agree with yourself, that's one person

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:39:20 2023 No.10343361
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>>10343294
If it's so bad why do you have to try so hard making people see how bad it is? Wouldn't they realize on their own? Except the Nintendo fanbyos whose mind you can't change anyways?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:42:02 2023 No.10343364 >>10343294 >I don't even dislike the game Are you the turbo autist shitting on Mario 64 in every thread? He also admitted actually liking the game after 100 posts of saying it's bad

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:52:42 2023 No.10343385 >>10343364 You can criticize a game and talk about its flaws without having to hate it you know.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:55:21 2023 No.10343390 File: 130 KB, 499x499, 1694614518186170.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339203 You're overexaggerating as per usual, Tendie

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:55:47 2023 No.10343392 >>10343284 No

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:58:22 2023 No.10343398

>>10343308
No reasons given, can't even form an opinion.
>>10343340
No reasons given can't even form an opinion.
>>10343361
It's not bad. I've literally said in all 3 posts it's not a bad game. It's a game intended for 6-12 year olds and everything about it from a mechanical level is fine. The only thing I'm sick of is people pretending like it's an unquestionable masterpiece. The battles hold no difficulty or tactics, the game has absolutely no challenge, the puzzles are toddler friendly, moving blocks and hitting eye switches and the most depth involved are redirecting light beams. The dungeon layouts aren't actually interesting, or require any thought beyond using the item you get in them. The world exploration doesn't actually hold anything exciting or interesting.
And so for the 4th time, since no one can actually answer this. What makes this game so special and above all the others?
What makes it better than Duke Nukem 3D? What makes it better than Baldurs Gate? What makes it better than Deus Ex? What makes it better than GTA3?
Is the combat so much better? The immersion and exploration? The storyline and characters? The level design? What is it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 15:58:40 2023 No.10343401 >>10343318 King's Field sold like 80k copies in NA

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:00:07 2023 No.10343406

>>10343385
In the very same post you say that there's nothing rewarding/engaging/captivating about it. And that's ignoring that there is a very high chance you are this guy >>10339212 who is shitposting here since the first second on. Nothing you say is coherent or makes any sense. You sound insane and just keep spiraling >>10343398
>What makes this game so special and above all the others?
Read any of the countless reviews about it if you actually care instead of asking random people online why the sky is blue like a schizophrenic hobo

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:02:23 2023 No.10343409 >>10343398 >What makes it better than GTA3? Probably that you don't just drive to mission marker, shoot car, drive to mission marker, shoot care, drive to mission marker, shoot car

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:05:37 2023 No.10343412 >>10343390 >tendie bros....we lost the loli pedophile endorsement

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:07:15 2023 No.10343415 >>10339203 By being not ironic.

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:07:24 2023 No.10343416

>>10343364
I don't care about Mario 64 at all. I don't like platformers. I played OoT when I was 11 and had a great time. I literally wanted an N64 explicitly for OoT because I saw a GamePro issue with Link and Shiek fighting a monster on the cover and thought the game looked cool as fuck. I was digging through cleaning shit out of the house in my 20s and found my N64 and games, in my 20s I hooked it up and played through games I had. The wrestling games were still fun, Mario Kart was still fun. Conker was still fun. OoT was boring. There was no challenge, their was no fun factor or exciting elements. Nothing made you think, and the world design was just generic fantasy medieval. I genuinely don't understand what about the game is so incredible if you're past the age of 12-13. I'm in my 30s now, what appeal does OoT hold? What am I missing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:10:54 2023 No.10343426 >>10343416 >I played OoT when I was 11 and had a great time. Then stop seething and trying to make it sound like it's bad for days like a demented madman just because your favorite game gets shit on as well and you think it's the Zelda mafia

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:12:21 2023 No.10343428

>>10343406
You literally can't even form a opinion about the game. Have you ever played it? I already know what reviewes said about it, I read them when they were current. Z-targeting, and an open world, and totally solid game mechanics.
I'm asking what about the game is actually good. Z-targeting was revolutionary, but the combat doesn't do anything with it. The enemies aren't reactive or interesting or difficult. I'm not grading the mechanics of the game, it's not 1998. Are you still blown away when you hit Z and lock on to something? Does that make the game for you?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:12:45 2023 No.10343430 >>10343412 Tendie stock will nevr recover

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:13:58 2023 No.10343434 >>10343428 >I'm asking what about the game is actually good. Reviews explain this. No one enjoys discussing why water is wet with one poor madman 1%er who clearly isn't very intelligent but throws "IQ" around

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:14:56 2023 No.10343438

>>10343426
What are you even talking about? What Zelda mafia? Are you even capable of having a discussion without constructing a bunch of oogeyman or "others" you think are attacking you? Do you have a mental illness?
Literally just answer any questions I have asked of you

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:16:22 2023 No.10343440 >>10343434 Do you find the combat of OoT enjoyable and full of interesting mechanics and depth with memorable encounters?

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:19:39 2023 No.10343447

>>10343440
>Do you find the combat of OoT enjoyable
Yes
>and full of interesting mechanics and depth with memorable encounters?
More so than every other real time sword combat in a big adventure game back then yes. OoT has like five times the enemy variety of Zelda BotW which came out just a few years ago and is seen as one of the best games ever as well

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:22:27 2023 No.10343451 >>10343447 >More so than every other real time sword combat in a big adventure game back then ok

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:22:29 2023 No.10343452 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ33141qwcE

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>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:29:24 2023 No.10343470 >>10343452 Good but too piraty

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 16:49:51 2023 No.10343497 File: 36 KB, 680x383, EIxcLcgXsAAwGMn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339212

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 17:23:49 2023 No.10343571

>>10343398
>Is the combat so much better?
In principle it should be, as it's mechanics are fantastically solid, it could easily have had better fights compared to Souls and even Devil May Cry purely based off what's possible in it, but unfortunately this is instead the game's biggest weakness, as the enemies are too passive to put up a real fight.

>The immersion and exploration?
The game's absolute strongest merit. No other game is immersive in the same way. In fact, I'd say immersion doesn't really do it justice, being in it and exploring it it feels almost hyper-real, as in it raises your level of conscious awareness while playing it in a way that you don't normally experience in every day life, and which no other game really accomplishes, at least to close to anywhere near the same level. You actively feel the various unique *relationships between things* in space and time of what you are presented and which you engage with in its world. This is what really gets people and what convinces them that this is the absolute best, not just something fairly great.

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 17:27:50 2023 No.10343584

>>10343571
>exploring it it feels almost hyper-real, as in it raises your level of conscious awareness while playing it in a way that you don't normally experience in every day life, and which no other game really accomplishes, at least to close to anywhere near the same level. You actively feel the various unique *relationships between things* in space and time of what you are presented
Jesus fucking Christ.
I had no idea OoT fanboys were THAT schizo

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 17:31:43 2023 No.10343594
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Reminder that even beloved PS2 games play like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbOwjdiUz8c&t=1516s
Saying Ocarina wasn't ahead of its time or at the very least very, very good for its time is peak zoomerism

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 17:32:11 2023 No.10343595 the n64 zelda are still amazing in fact, the problem is both games are so good they make everything else on the n64 except mario 64 and banjo kazooie look like shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 18:17:21 2023 No.10343689 File: 424 KB, 1920x1440, dc2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339479 ps1 games hid their limitations better

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 18:21:58 2023 No.10343712 The only thing more timeless than OoT is house of the rising sun by The Animals and both go together surprisingly well

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 18:24:58 2023 No.10343724 >>10343594 Kings field 4 really is a leap beyond what nintendo could ever achieve. No wonder from is so successful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:02:15 2023 No.10343953 File: 1.12 MB, 1417x1280, official art.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339214 >Shinto

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:03:16 2023 No.10343954 >>10343724 It's like what if Metroid Prime but shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:04:20 2023 No.10343958 >>10342571 please tell us the meaning of the claw thing

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:05:09 2023 No.10343959 File: 2.63 MB, 2750x1758, zelda characters.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10341308 A lot of the characters are quite expressionable and charming actually

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:06:19 2023 No.10343961 File: 227 KB, 505x509, brighthis npc.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10343959 Meanwhile the average NPC in Brightis which someone compared to OoT earlier

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:07:40 2023 No.10343968 >>10343689 behind jpgs

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:08:55 2023 No.10343970 File: 310 KB, 1296x978, kf npc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10343961 Or the above-mentioned KF

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:10:47 2023 No.10343975 >>10343959 >malon actually has giant milkers

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:11:44 2023 No.10343976 >>10343959 >>10343961 I'm more used to games like this as the benchmark https://streamable.com/ikwhgw oot feels so ugly and hostile, anti-humanity.

Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:18:20 2023 No.10343987

>>10339328
Its not "nigh perfect" it's a good game, above par, sure. There's just not actually as much as people claim there is. It's got a great atmosphere and an easy to play rhythm of combat. It's gets boring doing literally the same puzzles nearly every dungeon, but the dungeons themselves are well made aesthiclly, and I personally like the water temples change of pace, easily the best dungeon, puzzle wise. There's something great about the atmosphere, aesthetic and fun personality of the world, but it loses its luster after playing it a few times. I think it's because the combat, while it feels nice, is too easy. I'd rather play tomb raider or daggerfall, personal choice, I just get more enjoyment from the complexities of the game mechanics for obviously different reasons. I'm also a fan of daggerfalls dungeons, you never know what you're going to get. The average IQ is average for a reason, it's fine to have an average IQ and have the taste and opinions of the median, it doesn't mean popular thing is always the best thing. In oots case, it's a mix of both. It definitely has great aspects to it, but it bottlenecks in depth and mechanics, and relies on its aesthetic to carry it. Then you get literal mouth breathers who getting angry like you offended their personal God and start ranting and raving at the first sign of actual criticism, it's insane.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:18:43 2023 No.10343991 >the psychopath is back

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:20:03 2023 No.10343995 File: 1.48 MB, 1323x767, alundra 2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10343976 >oot feels so ugly and hostile, anti-humanity

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:20:27 2023 No.10343997 File: 28 KB, 432x329, IndianaJoe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10343970 that's a mario reference

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:21:01 2023 No.10344000 >>10339434 All this time of seeing this game on /vr/ I thought it was an N64 game does it have a translation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:22:59 2023 No.10344008 >>10344000 No, Snoys rather translate flavor of the month loli b8 games. Really speaks to their refined taste >>10339216. Brightis is a solid dungeon crawler

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:25:56 2023 No.10344013 >>10343976 >I'm more used to games like this >Alundra 2 >while pretending Zelda isn't good enough for you in every Zelda thread That's why no one can take you seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:27:04 2023 No.10344016 >>10344013 But it has South Park face animations!

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:27:46 2023 No.10344018 File: 9 KB, 256x256, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10344013 Zelda games are just so devoid of humanity. They have no soul, they're inherently hyper products for big capital.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:28:07 2023 No.10344019 >>10343287 All sports games are bad. Just go outside and play the actual sport

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:29:35 2023 No.10344023 >>10344019 All shooting games are bad. Just go outside and shoot some animals or targets at the range.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:32:46 2023 No.10344027 File: 198 KB, 1080x810, F47f7FKagAEKVfE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10344018 Not every game wants to be anime (thank god)

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:34:34 2023 No.10344031 It really always is that Mega Man and Tomb Raider autist

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:35:13 2023 No.10344034 >>10344018 >Zelda games are just so devoid of humanity. >posts a game about robots

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:35:53 2023 No.10344036 >>10343970 Cartman?

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:35:57 2023 No.10344038 >>10344027 Zelda is very anime.

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:38:22 2023 No.10344046 >>10344023 Almost all the good shooting games mostly involve things you can't do irl without getting yourself locked up

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:39:23 2023 No.10344048 >>10344046 So do the majority of retro sports games

>>	Anonymous Sun Oct 22 20:40:05 2023 No.10344049 >>10344048 Stop @ing me you're dumb

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 02:00:46 2023 No.10344791 File: 435 KB, 889x1500, dark-Zelda-Sheik-Retro-Studios-Cancelled-Game-1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10343334 This would've been amazing.

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Anonymous Mon Oct 23 04:34:00 2023 No.10345121
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>>10343385
On this website? Not bloody likely. Oot is another easy nintendo game with zero replay value but its got a lot of charm with its cute waifus and fishing.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 04:36:13 2023 No.10345127
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>>10343398
>What makes it better than Duke Nukem 3D? What makes it better than Baldurs Gate? What makes it better than Deus Ex? What makes it better than GTA3?
Ocarina of Time has more exciting proprioception than those games; it has better *3D depth*. Nothing in any of those games you listed have anything remotely close to the Water Temple's *scale* with its immense verticality and player repositionment. Aesthetically, it enables the player to more pleasantly look out at the world using *varied camera angles* and *vantage points*, especially striking when the world is full of colors and delectable-looking itemry than an ever-present dystopian city or gloomy street or dinky avatars screen-scrolling. So in short: OOT's mechanical techniques and mystical world design make it more *visually commanding* than any of those games you listed.

Always these pint-sized arguments from PC players who just expect that everyone who plays consoles will roll over because their games are slightly more challenging (i.e. more restrictive) or nerdy (i.e. more menu shuffling). I've never read any of them actually go into depth of why [Duke Nukem 3D, Baldurs Gate, Deus Ex, GTA 3] is a better game than OOT. 100%, you put two monitors next to each other with one showcasing the Water Temple and the other showcasing whatever part from those computer games you listed and any 6-12 year old is gonna tell you OOT is more impressive. Because it simply is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 04:43:38 2023 No.10345137 >>10343571 >>10345127 Are these posts really elaborate jokes or are Nintendo fans actually this deranged?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 04:48:06 2023 No.10345146 >>10345127 OoT Water temple is just a series of rooms connected to each other like in NES Zelda. Average Quake map is more impressive in geometry and sense of place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 04:48:18 2023 No.10345147 >>10345137 Non-argument as expected.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 04:52:44 2023 No.10345152
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>>10345127
>and any 6-12 year old is gonna tell you OOT is more impressive.
OOT fans are constantly complaining about the water temple. I don't even know if these people have played the game or just parroting what is said online but my take is its just another forgettable oot dungeon. Forest temple is better.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:01:54 2023 No.10345172

>>10345127
>I've never read any of them actually go into depth of why [Duke Nukem 3D, Baldurs Gate, Deus Ex, GTA 3] is a better game than OOT.
Duke 3D has incredible level design, and tons of interesting power-ups and weapons along with a diverse cast of enemies to use them on. Compare a game like OoT where every enemy simply exists as a single gimmick and must be defeated in the same fashion continuously, or that has dungeons that are rigidly designed with no secrets or experimentation possible beyond simply using the item you find in it.
Deus Ex expands on this to a degree that makes the comparison comical. You can stealth, talk, shoot, or any combo of that through truly wide open levels. Comparing entering a room, getting locked in it until you hit an eye switch or defeat 2-3 completely harmless enemies to magically spawn a chest with a small key, to being able to tranq a guard, stack boxes to crawl into a vent, falling down and hacking a computer, and then taking a shotgun and blasting your way back out of you want to is simply laughable.
Baldurs Gate has genuine exploration and immersion. Towns are fully featured and don't simply revolve around you, characters have actual personalities and writing, and exploring random backwoods paths or investigating every corner of the world can get you new weapons or accessories, have you stumble into demanding and difficult encounters, or lead you into entirely new quest lines all together. In contrast the most OoT offers is a fetch quest to get the one singular alternate weapon in the game, a sword that isn't even useful, and a bunch of fairy grottos to make the already childishly easy game even simplier.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:06:07 2023 No.10345176

>>10345146
An average Quake map where you shoot around in dim-lighting is not more visually impressive in showcasing geometry and sense of place than the serene Water Temple. Obviously that PC game is more cramped both mechanically with the tighter staircases and enemies as obstacles as well as visually with the aforementioned moodier dim-lighting despite what high speed is possible in them. Love that you think the most 'advanced 3D dungeon' is *just like the 2D* Zelda games. I cannot believe a Quake mentioner who should have an appreciable depth perception is even attempting to diminish the grandiosity of the Water Temple as if it's something average or common place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:11:48 2023 No.10345185 >>10345176 Unreal and Turok 2 both came out the same year as OoT and have level design that dwarfs the water temple. All you're doing at this point is revealing how little you've ever played games that don't have Nintendo on the box.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:14:03 2023 No.10345190 >>10345176 There is nothing grandiose about a series of connected rooms

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:20:48 2023 No.10345196 >>10342459 it's real but what i didn't know until yesterday was that you can throw it in the lake and he'll make you give him 50 rupees, he never buys another hat though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:31:39 2023 No.10345225 >>10341929 you can slow down time and there's warps right before a dungeon so you can reset before tackling one. aside from having to get arrows and bombs in the grass each cycle it's no big deal really.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:53:15 2023 No.10345262 File: 67 KB, 800x649, pepe-the-frog-holding-a-cigarette-meme-e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10345225 >so you can reset before tackling one. What fun.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 05:53:19 2023 No.10345263

>>10345137
Thousands and thousands of people--including the magazine reviewers who also rated other well praised games of 1998 very highly, but recognized this game as still being better than everything else--each independently played and experienced the game and found it to be exceptional in a way that astonished them, and then, when trying to explain what it is that seems to be so exceptional about it, each tend to come up with similar explanations of what it specifically does (i.e. it *presents space* and contrasts in it to you in particularly rich and striking ways, compelling you to explore it) that makes it, to them, stand out from other things, and overall agree on this in general, even though each person will describe this in different terms and find it difficult to properly convey to people who didn't experience it in this particular way exactly why they value this so highly.

If this is the case, then call it 'collective delusion' all you want, because I'd understand why someone would be skeptical that the game really is capable of providing this level of experience that people claim it can, but having experienced this myself, and given that other people who love it as much clearly feel the same particular kind of richness in it, all I can do is honestly describe what it feels like to me. When someone does this, their descriptions are going to come off as *excessive* to others, because this kind of rich experience is exceptional.

I can understand someone really loving, say, Balder's Gate and being deeply excited by it, as it is absolutely a fantastic game that deserves so be seen as something great. But at the same time, despite being as good as it is, it just isn't do the very specific, delicate things that OoT does.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 06:15:05 2023 No.10345304 [DELETED]

>>10345263
What does oot do? It makes you feel like you're saying a Disney movie, that's why people love it. If you're not into to Disney movies or children's fantasy stories, oot doesnt hit any of the same marks. It's barren, there's literally 2 towns(3 of you count the islamd of misfit midgets) with 5 NPCs accumulatively that actually have more than one line of dialog. The dungeons are pretty, but riddled with same face puzzles. The fighting is streamlined, which is fun at first, but wears pf when you reakuze yiure not realky dku g a ything and the z targeting is doing eveththing for you. It doesn't get much better not using z targeting. Idk what to tell you guy, it's not everybody's cup of tea for a lot of reasons, and liking a popular thing is not indicative of said popular thing actually being good.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 06:18:58 2023 No.10345309

>>10345263
What does oot do? It makes you feel like you're playing a Disney movie, that's why people love it. If you're not into to Disney movies or children's fantasy stories, oot doesnt hit any of the same marks. It's barren, there's literally 2 towns(3 of you count the island of misfit midgets) with 5 NPCs accumulatively that actually have more than one line of dialog. The dungeons are pretty, but riddled with same face puzzles. The fighting is streamlined, which is fun at first, but wears iff when you realuze youre not really doing anything and the z targeting is doing everything for you. It doesn't get much better not using z targeting. Idk what to tell you guy, it's not everybody's cup of tea for a lot of reasons, and liking a popular thing is not indicative of said popular thing actually being good.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 06:41:07 2023 No.10345338

>>10345172
>Compare a game like OoT where every enemy simply exists as a single gimmick and must be defeated in the same fashion continuously, or that has dungeons that are rigidly designed with no secrets or experimentation possible beyond simply using the item you find in it.

One thing I want to make clear here is that I *completely* agree that OoT has exactly the faults you identify here, and that these specific problems are exactly as serious as you make them out to be. It really does suck horribly that the enemies are punching bags, and that the dungeons have few compelling secrets.

I do agree that the way Deus Ex allows you to approach and solve dangerous situations is greatly more compelling than any equivalent in OoT, and that most of its puzzle box rooms are individually bland and lacking substance in contrast. I'm saying this to make it clear to you that I'm not mistaking the elements of OoT that ARE simplistic, and done far better in other games, as things that are better than they are because I lack the ability to appreciate the complexity and difficulty of other games.

Rather, I'm going out of my way to explain how, despite this, OoT is still far and away more compelling to me than anything else for the merits that I do perceive it to have, and that I regard it as having a level of refinement and sophistication above other games even acknowledging its flaws.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 07:03:59 2023 No.10345398

>>10345304
>>10345309
>it's not everybody's cup of tea for a lot of reasons, and liking a popular thing is not indicative of said popular thing actually being good.
I understand what you are saying and why you would think this, I understand that not everyone is going to experience it the same way and don't fault anyone for this. But, regardless of how it appears, I'm not simply arguing "the game is popularly liked, and therefore good", rather I'm saying:

- I personally experienced something I felt to be uniquely rich and compelling in it that, subjectively, dwarfs what other games offer, even though I very much love a number of other games
- Other people, including those who recognize the exceptional merits of other games at the time, felt that OoT was even greater still and would be seen in the same light even decades in the future, which is the case
- People, when invited to try to explain what it is that make the game so great on the whole, often find it difficult to really do so, given how the most compelling aspects of it are 'spread out' among the combinations of things that it does working together in tandem to create a greater experience, the workings of which are hard to pin down and identity, and so resort to saying it is "greater than the sum of its parts" for lack of a better explanation as to why they perceive it to be so awesome
- Despite this, aspects of the game that stand out as greatly and uniquely contributing to the richness of it are frequently identified, "unique use and presentation of space" being the aspect that is commonly valued the most highly by those who adore it, which we can attest isn't achieved in the same way in other games (even those with otherwise very compelling and sophisticated design in their own right)

I can say at least that I've never experienced anything like the kind of 'imagination' of OoT in a Disney movie, even as a young child.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 07:24:26 2023 No.10345440 >>10343959 >The "absolutely disgusting" guy he's literally me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 07:47:01 2023 No.10345473 >>10345262 it takes like 10 seconds to reset time dood it's not long

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 08:01:03 2023 No.10345494
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>>10345147
You don't have arguments either. Everything you said could be applied to Duke Nukem 3D or other games and then you end with "anyone could tell OOT is simply better" (a non-argument, as expected).

You talk of scale and vantage points but the only room where that applies in your example is the center room. Every other room is a giant square room, that you access through samey rectangle corridors. Even as far as the center room is concerned, its size and layout makes it hard to get any real "vantage point" from the player's perspective, pic related, no matter where you stand you will NOT have a good look of the room and the navigation possibilities it offers, without manually moving around the room. This, coupled with the lazy square-ness and symmetry of the room, makes it hard for the average player to get his bearings and remember where things are without bringing up the map (there is a reason why most people consider that dungeon to be the worst in the game)

Meanwhile even a level like Duke Nukem 3D's spaceport has a much greater sense of scale of 3D because each room is layered on top of the other one and they'll interconnected in various ways, letting the player drop down or fly up directly from room to room without having to go through bland rectangle corridors; all while the rooms themselves have a more interesting design than the simple square-ish cubes of varying sizes of your terrible example.
As for scale and vintage points, DN3D also has levels like The Abyss, Fusion Station or Flood Zone, all levels with actual sense of scale, actual vantage points that allows the player to get his bearing and see ahead of time the places where he's supposed to go (something OOT never has) or places he's been to with a more favorble point of view, and all of it is more interesting to navigate due to movement possibilities the game offers like flying or even swimming at a pace that isn't a snails pace.

All this and DN3D isn't even "true 3D"

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 08:15:34 2023 No.10345518
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Now this is "scale" and "vantage" points, and level design with an actual sense of 3D. The irony is that DN3D uses teleporting effects at times, like for the underwater of Flood Zone or some of the rooms in that building in Fusion Station, but it's done to seemlessly the player never notices. On the contrary, all the square and rectangle rooms in this example >>10345127 or so disconnected from one another that as far as the player is concerned he may as well be actually teleported from one room to the other and it wouldn't make a difference.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 08:35:53 2023 No.10345551 >>10339203 >variety >6 of the "varied" locales use the same textures Unironic brain damage.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 09:31:38 2023 No.10345601 File: 1.82 MB, 3328x2990, 1670452433633.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Picrel is a map from 1994 game. Now that was impressive for its time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:16:03 2023 No.10345818 >>10344795 >all the girls have jersey shore/emo hair yeah no surprise nintendo axed this >>10345121 it got endless replay value

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:17:19 2023 No.10345821 >>10345494 Even comparing Duke Nukem with OoT makes you mentally retarded

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:19:05 2023 No.10345824 >>10345121 Is every Zelda hater a pedophile? Starting to notice a pattern.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:20:06 2023 No.10345827 >>10345309 >What does oot do? It makes you feel like you're playing a Disney movie, that's why people love it. what the fuck am i reading

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:22:32 2023 No.10345830 File: 37 KB, 500x211, FTgFmWQXwAEUorO.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10345827 /vr/'s Zelda shitposter is one of the most brainbroken people on the internet

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:23:51 2023 No.10345834 >>10345152 >forgettable >literally one of the most remembered one

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:28:09 2023 No.10345838 >>10339203 Lol most overrated game ever. OOTrash

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:30:59 2023 No.10345843

>>10345601
You can't tell if this is good level design just by looking at the map without knowing the progression and how rooms or puzzles are interlinked. You could give a chimpanzee the tools and he would make a complex-looking map. You just say random shit and don't know anything about anything

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:34:40 2023 No.10345850 >>10345843 What stops you from playing Doom?

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:37:15 2023 No.10345853
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>>10345551
>>variety
>>6 of the "varied" locales use the same textures
Not a contradiction, besides not being true. There are unique textures everywhere. Takes two minutes to verify with Dolphin
>Unironic brain damage.
That's what you have? Explains why you can't see the variety in that picture compared to most games in terms of tone, color palette, atmosphere, worldbuilding. Both N64 Zeldas range from Sunday-morning cartoon to Raccoon City but all in their own unique style

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:43:32 2023 No.10345860

>>10345850
I did. You mean right now in this moment? That the core gameplay is hovering your cursor on ugly demon sprite and pressing the shoot button in a world where one million games have more satisfying gunplay and I can join a Counter-Strike or Halo server in under a minute

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:45:43 2023 No.10345865 >>10345834 >literally one of the most remembered one Yeah I said that. I found it just another forgettable dungeon I breezed through similar to the lava, graveyard and sand dungeons.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:47:25 2023 No.10345869 >>10345860 >in a world where one million games have more satisfying gunplay and I can join a Counter-Strike or Halo server in under a minute Doom is still popular. You don't even like the platforming?

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 12:47:49 2023 No.10345870

>>10345860
You said you don't know what the progression of this Doom 2 level is.
>one million games have more satisfying gunplay and I can join a Counter-Strike or Halo
Aren't we talking about level design? There is one million games that have more satisfying gameplay than OoT as well.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 13:15:19 2023 No.10345896
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>>10345870
>You said you don't know what the progression of this Doom 2 level is.
You said the ugly map you posted is impressive and I told you it's not
>There is one million games that have more satisfying gameplay than OoT as well.
You can't even pinpoint what OoT's gameplay is because there are uncountable aspects that make it what it is. You don't play Zelda if you want to do 'the thing', which is a reason people love the franchise and also why an ugly handheld demake still got 94% on Metacritic while Doom 2's 360 rerelease barely 70%

Keep digging that hole and bringing up shit most people today wouldn't play for 100 bucks while pretending OoT isn't good enough for you, though

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 13:23:57 2023 No.10345917 File: 1.89 MB, 498x498, tenor (4).gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10345896 >and also why an ugly handheld demake still got 94% on Metacritic while Doom 2's 360 rerelease barely 70%

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 13:27:36 2023 No.10345923 File: 1.17 MB, 320x240, mario opens vlc.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10345917 zelds are incredibly deluded

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 14:37:13 2023 No.10346046 >>10345923 Knowing review scores makes me deluded? And stop samefagging

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 14:39:59 2023 No.10346049 >>10339203 i tried to play if but i got bored before i got past the parts where things just talk at me

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 14:40:50 2023 No.10346056 >>10345896 >You can't even pinpoint what OoT's gameplay is because there are uncountable aspects that make it what it is. KWAB

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 14:42:21 2023 No.10346059

>>10345896
>You can't even pinpoint what OoT's gameplay is because there are uncountable aspects that make it what it is
Holy fuck this is the nintendrone on oot-aid. Not only is it impossible to have uncountable aspects of gameplay, oots mechanics are streamlined lock on targeting, projectiles and bombs. That's, there not even a jump button, fucking retard.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:13:59 2023 No.10346132

>>10345398
>I can say at least that I've never experienced anything like the kind of 'imagination' of OoT in a Disney movi
Oot ripped so much of from the sword in the stone and phantasua destroys anything imagination wise in oot, what fuck? You're just a delusional nintendrone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:14:59 2023 No.10346138 >>10346132 Fantasia*

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 15:35:29 2023 No.10346180 >>10346132 >>10346138 >OoT ripped off Fantasia Genuinely curious, why do you think that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:18:20 2023 No.10346250 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbgcVkPkLqc Why are there helicopters? Is there a real OoT 2D without this crap? And is it actually decent or just window dressing? A real 2D OoT à la ALTTP made by Nintendo would be dope

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:29:26 2023 No.10346271
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>>10346180
I think the limited knowledge of tendies on their favorite games and developers combined with their desire to massively overblow their significance while the industry puts said limited perspective on a pedestal is the funniest thing. The history of games and its creators is a lens best viewed as a punchline.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 16:45:16 2023 No.10346301 >>10346271 I asked about Fantasia

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:00:12 2023 No.10346334

>>10346132
>Oot ripped so much of from the sword in the stone

Yes, you pull a sword out of a pedestal, like you do in LttP, and obviously this takes influence from Arthurian legend, just like the Kokiri take from Peter Pan. This is a very superficial thing to take account of though, these are ripoffs of basic tropes that don't take much of anything away from the game for simply not being original. It's the execution that matters.

>phantasua destroys anything imagination wise in oot
I can see you're trying to select the most prestigious seeming thing that Disney has done to put up against Ocarina, but Fantasia was originally never regarded by musicians as anything more than a nice way to introduce children and midwits to musical classics with pretty visuals to make it more digestible to those without much experience with them, and it's the music that is the main driver, which Disney had no part in writing. It being come to be seen as something of high regard was largely driven by hippy boomers who liked to watch it while tripping balls. It's good at being what it is but it's not really uncontroversially a masterpiece despite the impression the company tries to give of it. Centaur tits though

I may come off as being excessively harsh here, but I do respect Disney and what his company had done, but I just do not consider any of his creations to be on the level of OoT or MM, and I say this having just watched a modern Disney movie last night that I hadn't seen before (Princess and the Frog).

>>10346301
He didn't say it 'ripped off' Fantasia, just that he considers it to be 'more imaginative', though I definitely find it to be much more superficial than Zelda on the whole.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:04:14 2023 No.10346348 >>10339229 yes...i love it when games waste my time

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:04:57 2023 No.10346353 >>10339229 The only game you've played with a boat in it is wind waker.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:05:53 2023 No.10346358 >>10346334 >it to be 'more imaginative' Ah. Why would anyone compare animation and film to video games

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:23:37 2023 No.10346396

>>10346358
From what I gather, he understands that OoT fans are claiming that it's "the effect of the game on the player's imagination", as opposed to purely the gameplay, that makes it really exceptional, and so he's question if the way people enjoy the game is similar to the reasons why people, and children in particular, enjoy things like Disney movies.

I'll respond by saying that the way I appreciate OoT, and other Zelda games to a certain (though generally lesser) extent, in a way that's closer to being impressed by architecture than to something like a fantasy cartoon, it's the way the game organizes and plays with structure, creates a sense of spacial awareness within your mind that encourages you to be aware of contrasts between the places you exist in and how they exist within their larger world, presents different perspectives on things, creates associations between music and various aspects of the game, and invites you to think about what might be possible in these spaces as they vary (in different times etc). OoT's special quality is the way it carefully invites you to develop this particular kind of awareness of the things in it and how they are part of the whole total experience of the game. This is really much more delicate and subtle, and involves more actively engagement of imaginative ability, than what you'd typically get from Disney.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:28:51 2023 No.10346417

>>10346180
I didn't say that, I said fantasia destroys all the imagination in oot.

>>10346334
Yeah, it also ripped off the talking owl and a bunch other shit, because not actually as original as you think. You think it deserves praise for being a derivative of a derivative? I had already experienced pulling the stone from the sword from other movies, cartoons, books and videogames, it wasnt that big of a deal by the time oot did it. What the fuck is wrong with you people?

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:35:00 2023 No.10346437

>>10346396
It's a fuckin simple game where all the magic is in the aesthetics, your imagination doesn't really need to fill in the blanks, it's all right there for you to indulge in and it's not some delicate subtle experience, it has some cool nuanced in spots, other than that it's pretty barren, with secrets sprinkled here and there

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:37:26 2023 No.10346442 >>10346437 Such amazing gameplay mechanics for the final boss, which is just Mario tennis staring link and ganondorf, what a fucking joke.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 17:41:08 2023 No.10346450 >>10339203 This exudes soul.

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 18:21:33 2023 No.10346582 >>10346417 >I had already experienced pulling the stone from the sword from other movies, cartoons, books and videogames, it wasnt that big of a deal by the time oot did it I laughed out loud. Wtf I hate OoT now

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 19:17:07 2023 No.10346783 Does guarding with the big sword do anything? Gamefag says it helps with some element attacks which would make sense because you get it where you fight a fire dragon. Forgot to test it against Volvagia though

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 19:43:40 2023 No.10346859

>>10345896
>You can't even pinpoint what OoT's gameplay is because there are uncountable aspects that make it what it is
What the fuck does this even mean? Outside of the targeting system, which as I've said was mechanically great, but not actually used to make any of the combat engaging there's nothing separating OoT gameplay from a game like Nightmare Creatures or Castlevania 64.
This is the exact type of thing I was talking about when I said I'm beyond sick of this stupid narrative the game is an unparalleled masterpiece. If the game gives you a brain orgasm like it does for >>10345338 then I can't really dispute that, or tell you you're wrong. You do you. But totally asanine statements like the gameplay or level design of OoT being this incomparable and never replicated level of perfection is laughable. Play a game without a Nintendo logo on it dude.

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 20:48:16 2023 No.10347056 [DELETED]

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>If Hyrule’s silent savior taught me anything, it’s that we’re all better off reverting to our childhood form on occasion.
https://retrovolve.com/how-my-journey-through-hyrule-made-me-a-better-person/
this made me cry

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 21:28:00 2023 No.10347157 File: 1.79 MB, 498x334, 1677900705987885.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10343975 Anon...

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 21:35:29 2023 No.10347173 >>10339203 >when half the 1998 games still had pre-rendered backgrounds or completely samey levels and gameplay like MediEvil yep it's bait

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 22:14:27 2023 No.10347279

>>10346859
>What the fuck does this even mean? Outside of the targeting system, which as I've said was mechanically great, but not actually used to make any of the combat engaging there's nothing separating OoT gameplay from a game like Nightmare Creatures or Castlevania 64.
You are an extremely unintelligent person and have absolutely no clue about game design

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 22:22:20 2023 No.10347313

>>10346348
Atmosphere and feeling part of an actual world is important for Zelda. You can't just line up puzzles and minigames. BotW and TotK are the emptiest Zelda games to date and also the most popular. Some emptiness and an open loop is also key for the Zelda principle. If there is a game that can justify an "empty" overworld, it's a game like Zelda with huge spooky dungeons that are packed with puzzles

You are probably just an anomaly, though, so your taste/opinion actually really doesn't matter

You are unimportant

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 22:27:50 2023 No.10347328 >>10346180 >Genuinely curious, why do you think that? He's mentally ill. A couple weeks ago it was still the movie Legend, but he moved on from that after everyone made fun of him

>>	Anonymous Mon Oct 23 23:01:07 2023 No.10347418 >>10339203 any must have mods since it's on PC?

Anonymous Mon Oct 23 23:48:24 2023 No.10347521

>>10347279
Damn, you couldn't even think of one single thing that separates the gameplay of OoT from any other third person adventure game.
I'm really beginning to think OoT is The Godfather of video gaming in the sense that people who listed it as their favorite or the best movie would then admit they also never even watched it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 01:32:06 2023 No.10347701 >>10347418 dunno about mods for the port but here's a solid qol romhack for it https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/5138/ mm has one too, made by the same guy

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 03:51:08 2023 No.10348062
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>>10347521
>insinuating that there is no meaningful difference between Zelda and rotten swamp ass like Nightmare Creatures and Castlevania 64
You haven't said one thing that's even worth deboonking in this entire thread. It's just self-defeating autismo noises that will make everyone with a brain (not /vr/'s target clientele, mind you) regard OoT even more highly because it has haters as retarded as you. Don't let anyone stop you

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 04:10:08 2023 No.10348129 >>10347418 Mods for Project 64 are a thing

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 06:03:14 2023 No.10348362 >>10347418 People are really just starting to make them now. There are a few that change how enemies behave, or add leveling systems to the game that you might be interested in.

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 06:48:43 2023 No.10348421

>>10348062
Still can't think of anything lil buddy? Considering you were the one who said OoT has an unparalleled level of gameplay it should be easy to list off the reasons. I mean, you are able to form your own thoughts and then contextualize them aren't you? You have played all those games right?

Anonymous Tue Oct 24 06:57:16 2023 No.10348432

>>10348421
Not him, but OoT lets you interact with things in its world in such a variety of distinct ways, and where exactly what a given interaction between two things will result in won't be immediately obvious. Most games either have a more limited, set series of possible interactions, or (like the bulk of RPGs) have a large number of mostly generic ones. On top of this it's mechanically solid and 'feels right' to do mos things. Wacking something with a hammer feels strongly impactful for instance.

>>	Anonymous Tue Oct 24 14:37:19 2023 No.10349029 >>10343497 Most posters here are zoomzooms now. Time flies. Only few really remember the 90s or let alone the 80s

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 04:39:05 2023 No.10350963 >>10348362 They should just merge base OoT and MQ. OoT dungeons but MQ enemies. There, perfect game. And even purists can play it because it's basically all officially Nintendo

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 04:47:26 2023 No.10350986 >>10339212 typical /vr/ contrarian. >>10343497 classic, dunking on a zoomer using a zoomer meme.

Anonymous Wed Oct 25 05:17:49 2023 No.10351050

>>10350963
MQ uses the same enemies but just in odd/out of place ways. It's honestly worse than random fan hacks because there's so little motivation for most of what it does, it's just weird without being substantially more challenging and the changes it makes are so limited given it's just moving actors around.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 05:52:27 2023 No.10351094 >>10351050 Master Quest forces you to visit previous Dungeons to obtain all Skulltulas Master Quest is a Good experience if you want to play more Ocarina of Time

Anonymous Wed Oct 25 06:19:04 2023 No.10351134

>>10351094
Base game does that too, you need to revisit the first two child dungeons later to get everything in them because they have unmarked sections you can't access until you have more items. You also need optional things like the scarecrow song. How do you not know this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 06:28:45 2023 No.10351148 >>10351134 Master Quest items are in different places than the Normal Version

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 07:06:38 2023 No.10351202 >>10339313 >>10341542 same, thought it was SotC forest

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 13:53:53 2023 No.10351649 >>10341991 >food analogy

Anonymous Wed Oct 25 14:56:18 2023 No.10351753

>>10351050
Thought so too at first, but if MQ does one thing better it's exhausting Ocarina's combat potential. It keeps throwing knight and lizard dudes at you, often multiple or in tiny corridors or even underwater. But yeah, some changes are just weird and the dungeon design is usually worse

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 14:59:27 2023 No.10351758 File: 102 KB, 800x600, G2 forest_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10351202 >google SOTC forest

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 15:11:28 2023 No.10351780 You retards spent this whole thread getting baited by the janny.

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 17:45:16 2023 No.10352086 File: 245 KB, 857x482, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10351202 >>10341542 likewise, there's an awkwardness to a lot of things in it that show it's not

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 21:05:29 2023 No.10352489 >>10339203 Man I wish there was a boss rush mode like in SS

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 21:06:31 2023 No.10352493 >>10352489 Or something like the cave of ordeals

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 21:16:42 2023 No.10352508 >>10339212 Hi Arin Hanson since when did you browse 4chan?

>>	Anonymous Wed Oct 25 22:33:56 2023 No.10352665 File: 1.52 MB, 1264x938, no botw slowmo.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10339203 >avant-garde combat Shame BotW ruins it with slowmo nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 04:06:07 2023 No.10353361 >>10352489 >>10352493 Both the 3DS remake and Ship of Harkinian have that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 16:12:17 2023 No.10354614 >>10353361 I wish they'd just port the 3DS remake to Switch without the stupid handheld aspect ratio and maybe tone down the lighting a bit

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 16:59:00 2023 No.10354729 >>10339313 twilight princess looked good before the wolf shit was introduced

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 23:12:19 2023 No.10355781 File: 29 KB, 220x220, 1696333552473216.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10354729 Could have been the next 99% game, instead we got a 95% game

>>	Anonymous Thu Oct 26 23:15:47 2023 No.10355793 >>10347313 Damn...I guess I just don't understand the atmosphere and feeling gained from holding forward...what a great use of your time...

Anonymous Thu Oct 26 23:26:06 2023 No.10355823

>>10355793
>I guess I just don't understand the atmosphere and feeling gained from holding forward...

Yes, exactly and completely unironically. If you took away the field that would cripple the game atmospherically compared to what it is. You aren't supposed to want to explore the field properly until later in the game, and this in part is another thing that helps it to feel big. Likewise the way it has meaningful secrets, but they are sparse and cleverly hidden in ways that you're unlikely to easily uncover quickly, results in a space where you feel like you are exploring it out of your own desire to dig deeper, instead of something with x content per a given space that you feel you should pick up because its there.

Anonymous Fri Oct 27 01:12:25 2023 No.10356009

>>10355793
Fallout 3 is the most immersive game ever and the world is mostly empty and you don't even have to press a button to move. Ambience, worldbuilding, your own imagination, etc. Not sure how this is hard to get unless you're new to video games or actually just hate them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8JlQV_y4Hc&t

The field in Ocarina isn't even huge and if you stray without Epona and have to walk a while, it's your fault. People like you are the reason why games today let you fast-travel to every pixel

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 27 08:49:49 2023 No.10356803 >>10353361 >Ship of Harkinian Why did they give it such a random name that has nothing to do with the game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 27 20:00:55 2023 No.10357902 >>10356803 Le wacky Reddit memes

>>	Anonymous Fri Oct 27 21:03:03 2023 No.10358105 >>10356009 >Fallout 3 is the most immersive game ever and the world is mostly empty and you don't even have to press a button to move. >fallout 3 zoomers were a mistake.

Anonymous Fri Oct 27 21:13:43 2023 No.10358125

>>10343571
>being in it and exploring it it feels almost hyper-real, as in it raises your level of conscious awareness while playing it in a way that you don't normally experience in every day life
the absolute fucking state of nintentoddler,raising their conscious awareness with the help of a video game made for kid.
wait until you learn about philosophy and meditation.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 28 00:27:16 2023 No.10358545 >>10339203 Legendary intro

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 28 02:33:29 2023 No.10358778 File: 89 KB, 1166x960, 64858_4_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10358105 >look do I fit in?

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 28 02:37:38 2023 No.10358784 >>10358778 Yes, this is /vr/. Fo3 isn't vr, numbskull.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 28 03:23:55 2023 No.10358841 >>10358778 i wasnt the one to mention fallout. and if you think fallout 3 is the most immersive game ever you are a certified moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 28 04:51:23 2023 No.10358967 >>10339218 So did he dieded? Is the gossip stone talking about him? Idk why the game would be so cruel to kill him off when he clearly suffered his whole life. Please tell me someone asked in an old interview somewhere.

>>	Anonymous Sat Oct 28 05:12:06 2023 No.10358998 >>10358841 >and if you think fallout 3 is the most immersive game ever you are a certified moron. It's certainly up there and denying that would mean you are the moron or probably some zoomer fuck who was 10 back then

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