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[Anonymous No.10331940]

Which half is the best? Sonic 3 or Sonic & Knuckles?

[Anonymous No.10331974]

>>10331940
Sonic 1

[Anonymous No.10331979]

>>10331940
Sonic 3 as knuckles, duh. Who the fuck enem plays s&k by itself?

[Anonymous No.10332085]

sonic 3, even though marble garden zone aint hot

[Anonymous No.10332589]

>>10331940
notice how you can only see the whites of knuckles eyes, this was to imply that knuckles is canonically black.

[Anonymous No.10332619]

>>10331940
S&K is better.
The only good zone in S3 is Icecap and maybe Hidrocity.

[Anonymous No.10332794]

>>10331974
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10332834]

&K

3 has too many stinkers (Marble Garden, Casino Night, Launch Base)

&K's only stinker is Sandopolis act 2.

[Anonymous No.10332841]

>>10332834
Carnival Night*

always confuse them

[Anonymous No.10332901]

I've always felt like Sonic 3 was better. The music and graphics in &K remained fantastic, but some of the levels felt a little worse. I'm not the biggest fan of Lava Reef, or Death Egg. The presentation is very good, but the gameplay is slightly underwhelming. And Sandopolis is clearly the weakest link in the whole game. 3 wins, but &K is definitely not bad no matter how you look at it.

[Anonymous No.10332903]

>>10332901
Lava Reef is kino, and Death Egg feels like a Sonic final zone unlike the awkward Launch Base for those kids who had to wait until &K

[Anonymous No.10333676]

>>10332589
But anon, Sonic is the black one. He always smokes menthols after all

[Anonymous No.10334139]

>>10331940
What about Sonic 2 &Knuckles?

[Anonymous No.10334163]

>>10334139
Sonic 2 & Knuckles could have been improved if it offered save files. It'd be neat if it offered saves to play as Sonic & Tails, Sonic, Tails, or Knuckles just like S3&K did. Sadly, S&K itself has no save files, that's all on S3.

[Anonymous No.10334249]

>>10334163
S&K should have had a password system in it

[Anonymous No.10334382]

>>10331940
The bottom half, because that's where the pussy is.

[Anonymous No.10334390]

The ampersand.

[Anonymous No.10334396]

sandopolis zone was a disaster

[Anonymous No.10334447]

Both feel incomplete without the other, but SK probably more so. That being said, both have some great levels and some duds. If you switched Flying Battery with Carnival Night I'd probably say Sonic 3.

[Anonymous No.10334838]

Bump

[Anonymous No.10336003]

Lava Reef is the greatest zone in all of Sonic

[Anonymous No.10336006]

>>10334396
music is killer tho

[Anonymous No.10336009]

Kino

[Anonymous No.10336013]

>>10331940
First half because watching egg man set the stage on fire in the first level is kino

[Anonymous No.10336019]

Second half feels smaller that's what she said and they knew it when removed the saving feature from Sonic & Knuckles alone.

[Anonymous No.10336707]

>>10331940
I had &k before and I felt that 3 was a necessity.
I was a kid so &K was quite hard for me, not labyrinth and scrap brain tier but generally harder than 2 and almost as long with Sonic, saving was a huge feature. Iirc I finished only Knuckles story and while hard it was also very short, around 4 proper zones.

[Anonymous No.10336801]

I'm 50/50 just because my bro and I played the hell out of 3 on 2 players. Yes, we got stuck on the carnival level. I thought the original ending to 3 was neat. &k was just cool because we had no idea there was a sequel until some other guy in the neighborhood told us about it. It seemed like the graphics for the levels were improved or they were just more memorable.

[Anonymous No.10337168]

>>10336707
>Iirc I finished only Knuckles story
He won

[Anonymous No.10337182]

>>10331940
>angel island
based
>hydronomy
ultra based
>marble garden
ultra based
>clown world
awful
>hard times
fairly based
>lunch base
annoying

>mushroom hill
based
>flying butthole
pretty cool i guess, but i can't unhear james bond in the music.
>sandplopolis
act 2 a shit
>firey dungeon zone
kind of annoying
>firey dungeon zone (blue version)
too long
>green sky zone
fine
>death egg
pretty fun

i'll go with the sonic 3 half.

[Anonymous No.10337187]

>>10337182
The only thing I don't agree with is marble garden. For me it's the "this part" zone

[Anonymous No.10337203]

>>10337187
i can understand why. it has a lot of things that, on paper, should annoy me. i can't explain it.

[Anonymous No.10337220]

>>10337182
>angel
really cool
>hydro
meh
>marble garden
I'd rather play 5 acts of marble zone
>carnival
comfy minus the dark water part and the you know what
>ice world
starts fun but gets too annoying, act 2 is a joke and reminds me of the game gear boss stages
>launch base
cool, nice and open, good midgame breather :^)

>mushroom hill
okay
>flying battery
cool but drags on a bit
>sand
hell no
>lava reef
awesome
>too long
lol'd
>sky sanctuary
awesome
>death egg
awesome, makes challenger shuttle launch zone look like total ass by comparison
If 3K could save it wouldn't even be close for me, but then again that also makes it more like the first two sonic games where you have to get gud

[Anonymous No.10337425]

>>10331979
Me. I only had S&K as a kid, so I knew Mushroom Hill Zone like the back of my hand.

[Anonymous No.10338071]

Marble Garden felt so otherworldly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qw10LYqye4
kino

[Anonymous No.10338424]

>>10334382
And that's why Sonic Onahole is best compilation.

[Anonymous No.10338518]

>>10331940
Sonic 3 is WAY better. And it can stand on its own. S & K is literally left over levels.

[Anonymous No.10338543]

How are you supposed to play this game anyway? Are you supposed to start with Sonic 3 Plugged into &Knuckles and that's the complete experience from start to finish?

[Anonymous No.10338627]

>>10338518
S&K works much better as a standalone

S3:
>you start out flying around
>some red guy steals your shit
>suddenly robotnik, now everything is on fire
>red guy dumps you in atlantis sewer
>you go to a bunch of random places
>end up at some place where they're building a giant rock or something in the middle of a lake
>do a hit and run on the red guy
>giant rock starts flying, you fight the tittygrabber 2000 while hanging from giant rock's pubes
>giant rock ball asplodes as you fall to your death or maybe fly away

S&K:
>Title opens with huge mechanical object with a face crashing into a mountain, perhaps this is that death egg from sonic 2 falling from space
>Knuckles immediately named on start menu and shown next to sonic, obvious he will be an important character
>Knuckles trying to sabotage sonic but they are both heading heading towards the same place, which is of course the ominous giant crashed space station from the title
>Robotnik first revealed doing long range communications while his machines gather resources, he is clearly scrambling to do something, probably also related to the large interesting object from the title screen
>They first cover the distance to the crash site, then travel underground to get to where Robotnik is working on it, then chase it into the air as it becomes fully functional and powered by the thing knuckles was trying to protect all along. Knuckles is forced to put his trust in Sonic. As sonic you must finally enter this huge mysterious death star which has demonstrated its dangerous powers.
>After defeating Robotnik, you are saved from falling to your death by Tails flying a plane
>Knuckles has to deal with the aftermath of the robot army and you can see that without the object he was protecting, the island is totally unstable.
>You are saved from falling to your death by Sonic flying a plane

[Anonymous No.10338660]

>>10338543
Pretty much, all you'll miss out on is the Sonic 3 final boss in Launch Base.
You're meant to play through it as Sonic before Knuckles, they're two slightly different sets of levels and I'm pretty sure the story goes in that order if you care about that.

[Anonymous No.10338737]

>>10331940
I think Bottom, S&K is most fun

[Anonymous No.10338926]

>>10338543
>Are you supposed to start with Sonic 3 Plugged into &Knuckles and that's the complete experience from start to finish?
Sonic 3 vanilla, and S&K vanilla both play differently as stand alone games.

When you combine them, the combined version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles not only combines both games but also changes certain things about the games, effectively making it a different version of the game, not the same as just playing one after the other.

[Anonymous No.10339205]

>>10338424
Finally, someone who knows what's up.

[Anonymous No.10339223]

>>10336009
Absolutely kino. I always felt like this sequence from Lava Reef to Hidden Palace Zone to Sky Sanctuary to Death Egg was under-appreciated.

[Anonymous No.10339230]

Never played these. What's the difference? How could one that's just unfinished be better than the completed full version?

[Anonymous No.10339442]

S&K is always consistently forgettable for me, so I'll say Sonic 3.

[Anonymous No.10339558]

in sonic 3 I liked Angel Island, Hidrocity and Ice Cap zone. in sonic & knuckles I liked every stage except sandopolis. I also liked the music of S&K more, including the mini-boss and boss themes, so sonic and knuckles is an easy win for me.

[Anonymous No.10339606]

>>10339558
>including the mini-boss
Really? It's the only changed track where I like the original better

[Anonymous No.10341503]

>>10339230
Sonic 3 alone has a soulful Knuckles/miniboss theme that was lost, and arguably better title screen/invincibility music. Also another boss phase in Launch Base.
S&K alone starts off slightly differently with the Mushroom Hill layout, but I think that's it.

[Anonymous No.10341647]

>>10341503
The S3 Knuckles theme is literally just a percussion noise loop, and the invincibility music is grating as fuck. Only the miniboss theme is superior. Big Arms is also incredibly overrated and makes Launch Base drag out for too long, so it's good that it was relegated to the de facto hard mode that is Knuckles' story.

[Anonymous No.10341951]

>>10339606
what is this screenshot of

[Anonymous No.10341964]

>>10341951
Sonic 3 AIR
https://sonic3air.org/
It says you need the Steam version of S3&K but in reality all you need is the Genesis ROM

[Anonymous No.10341970]

>>10341964
thanks bradda

[Anonymous No.10344232]

Will we ever get the STH3D proto?

[Anonymous No.10345970]

>>10344232
Hopefully a build is somewhere out there. Only problem is it needs the SVP so if there are copies of it must be in minimal quantities

[Anonymous No.10347008]

SHCS dropped a lot of bangers this weekend