/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10316784]

My thesis is that retro games will remain dead (and boring) unless they get rebooted with online leaderboards, online achieves and online pvp where possible. Basically active online communities where good players can trash talk scrubs is imperative

Without competition all retro games lack authentic replay value and we are forced to only play a few fighters on fightcade

[Anonymous No.10316794]

Correct, and it's already here and called speedrunning.

[Anonymous No.10316796]

>>10316784
Most people here think retro achievements are gay af, myself included. But I would t mind having a bi monthly rts /vr/ competition. Aoe/c&c/sc/ee but gat kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.10316814]

>>10316796
That would be fucking rad. I'd love to play AoE 2 and some Tib Sun with /vr/. I'd lose because I don't play a lot of RTS but it's good shit either way.

[Anonymous No.10316819]

Online shite is not important for retro games, it’s a load of crap. It just makes you wound up and pissed off. You don’t need to show off or compare, you just need to play for yourself. Retro games are about having a good time and remembering the old days, not about being a big shot and having a big head.

[Anonymous No.10316821]

>>10316784
i'm good playing games by myself or my friends. why do i need you?

[Anonymous No.10316834]

>>10316784
Cool, and I'll keep helping myself to those "dead" games. You can go away now.

[Anonymous No.10316873]

>>10316784
>online leaderboards, online achieves and online pvp where possible.
why would I want to play games with others?

[Anonymous No.10316884]

>>10316821
Because we're friends

[Anonymous No.10316894]

>>10316884
uh, my moms here to pick me up. bye.

[Anonymous No.10316901]

I want to punch pissheads whose only comment is WE NEED A REMAKE on fucking everything

[Anonymous No.10316904]

>>10316784
>be me
>play retro games with friends
>have fun with my friends, no matter what we play
>game is nice enough to let the day decompress
>love my bros
>go online
>zoomers complaining
>ask if they play with friends
>0 responses
every single time

[Anonymous No.10316962]

>>10316904
This. Niggas need to go outside and make friends

[Anonymous No.10316965]

>>10316904
>obsession with zoomers out of nowhere
>pretending you have friends
lol
lmao even

[Anonymous No.10316970]

>>10316784
>Muh score
>Muh cheevos
You mongrels and your useless trinkets...

[Anonymous No.10316974]

Rereleases already do this. The Namco Arcade Collection and the SEGA AGES releases has an online leader board for those games. If you want to compete for Outrun time or Pacman score, you can do it. The SEGA AGES ones are cool since you can check out the top players replays.

[Anonymous No.10316985]

>>10316784
You are wrong. Online is no different then bots. Play in person or get cancer.

[Anonymous No.10317073]

>>10316819
>I can't handle losing and getting good is too hard
Back to jrpgs then?

[Anonymous No.10317206]

Shmups have leaderboards and a thriving online community full of people all over the spectrum, from novices getting 1ccs and no-misses to good players getting decent scores

[Anonymous No.10317314]

>>10316784
Online connectivity is literally what killed gaming. Go back to /v/.

[Anonymous No.10317354]

>>10317314
This. Fuck off OP.

[Anonymous No.10317357]

>>10316784
zoomer take
As expected from the generation raised on achievements and trophies

[Anonymous No.10317421]

>>10316784
why would i need replay value when there are so many good games to play. unless you're a neet that plays games 24/7, you will never run out of good games in your lifetime.
i like online pvp in some games and especially like online leaderboards, but they don't need to be shoved into everything.
>we are forced to only play a few fighters on fightcade
theres a lot of sixth and even fifth gens with revived online modes, most aren't fighters. though most of those games aren't particularly active, so you might actually have to go out of your way to talk to people and organize sessions (terrifying i know).
Project Gotham Racing 2's multiplayer is fun. Return to Castle Wolfenstein is great if you get a good lobby going and can work well as a team. theres still a bunch of south americans who play Halo 2 regularly.
apparently you can hook up the Saturn netlink adapter and play online, works on broadband too. though, its a very small group who actually use them.
doesn't fightcade have non fighting games anyway? i remember trying to set it up to play puzzle bobble/bust a move online.

[Anonymous No.10317430]

>>10317073
Yes, I will play JRPGs and enjoy the story and grind and watch number get bigger and you will seethe

[Anonymous No.10317434]

>>10316784
18 year olds look like THAT?

[Anonymous No.10317450]

>>10316970

Leaderboards are kinda cool for some kinds of games, and achievements are GREAT for many games, if they're done well. Adding a new goal to a game turns it into a new game, in a sense. It unlocks depths that many players wouldn't explore otherwise.

But it has to be done well, and of course there's nobody who can be relied on to consistently do it well across a large library of games. So yeah it's probably a bad idea for the most part.

[Anonymous No.10317451]

>>10317421
"getting good is too hard, I'll settle for mindless superficial game hopping"

[Anonymous No.10317458]

>>10317451
Unless you play competitively or use gaming as a way to train memory/reflexes/persistence/whatever, as in you simply play as a way to blow off steam, then yeah, game hopping is fine. Why force yourself to keep playing a game far beyond your skill level if it just leaves you frustrated?

[Anonymous No.10317480]

>>10317451
while you put 5000 hours into that one game you're good at, i will continue to play many games and have a variety of experiences. i get that once you put so many hours into a game, it becomes hard to leave that comfort zone, but i believe in you anon! you can explore and enjoy the large variety of games out there!

[Anonymous No.10317803]

>>10317451
>getting good is too hard, the game needs leaderboards and achievements to motivate me and give me validation

[Anonymous No.10317859]

People who cry about every game needing leaderboards absolutely seethe and dilate if you just tell them “no, I’m not going to participate.” They do this funny thing where they try to shit talk you into, I guess, guilting you in to playing their game so they have a larger pool of individuals to be a faggot around. You see this with the absolute nuclear seethe around that elden ring mod that lets people play with no invasions. So I hope people don’t play this just to make the handful of spergs who are absolutely drooling at the thought of high score bragging in discord (a totally soulless homunculus of what arcade high scores represent) come on here and try to reverse psychology shitpost people into playing these “online” versions, just to promptly be told to fuck off

[Anonymous No.10318029]

What a hidden gem of a thread. Sagely words.

[Anonymous No.10318186]

While OP is obviously bait, I do think it's a bit of a shame that the only retro multiplayer games that get any attention are fighters and the odd arena fps.
Like I'd love it if there existed some ladder/community/whatever where I could go play PVP Star Control 1 or Gravity Power or Spy vs Spy etc. etc. it's literally just the punch kick games that anyone cares about.
Sad.

[Anonymous No.10318308]

>>10316784
Remove internet access from zoomers and watch them suicide one after another.

[Anonymous No.10318318]

>>10316814
Yeah I'm not that great either but it does sound fun

[Anonymous No.10318452]

>>10316784
Yes, and this is exactly what I like about them and I want them to remain that way. People who play games for brownie points deserve to be seen as freaks. Just go back to grinding your battlepass/MMR/whatever and don't post here ever again.

[Anonymous No.10318953]

>>10317458
>>10317480
>>10317803
>>10317803
>>10317859
>>10318452
From my experience people who like retro games actually get good at some. Sure everyone hops around, to find something new, but good games are worth replaying. If a game isn't worth replaying for a hundred plus hours it's forgettable trash

[Anonymous No.10319965]

>>10316965
Sorry fagboy, but it’s clear that only a Zoomer would make a thread like this. Sorry you feel so called out.

[Anonymous No.10319969]

>>10316784
Jesus Christ, you are such a fag. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.10320225]

>>10316784
Battle royale style reboot for every retrogame when, also fuck leaderboards they're just going to be dominated by autistic neets with ocd.

[Anonymous No.10320228]

>>10316904
I'd be in the same boat as zoomniggers but I just force my gf to play videogames with me. She liked pocky and rocky but was losing her shit on goof troop, also I can say that not all bitches like kirby.

[Anonymous No.10320258]

>>10316965
>lol
>lmao even
just hang yourself

[Anonymous No.10320498]

>>10317314
/thread

[Anonymous No.10321429]

>>10319969
Not an argument

[Anonymous No.10321584]

>>10316784
>My thesis
>is retarded nonsense\drivel
every FUCKING TIME
academia is a scam
what a joke kek

[Anonymous No.10321886]

>>10317314
>>10317354
>>10320498
t. Autists who lost their IRL connections and can't into making friends online

[Anonymous No.10323110]

>>10321584
Games (all games) are more fun with others than alone. Solitaire is gay, football, tennis, karate, tag, hide n seek, and chess all benefit from multiplayer

[Anonymous No.10323115]

>>10316784
>my retarded low IQ anecdote happens to me so it must be universal truth
funniest part is you probably think you're very smart for making this thread

[Anonymous No.10323137]

>>10316784
my thesis is that ur a fag

[Anonymous No.10324414]

>>10316784
>My thesis is that retro games will remain dead (and boring) unless they get rebooted with online leaderboards, online achieves and online pvp where possible.
Wait... retro video games are dead? Well, then make sure to tell that to the market, because these prices tell me otherwise... in a way I wish it was more dead so I could actually buy stuff more often. It's alive, perhaps more than ever, take your online PvP leaderboards with you back to /v/ and don't come back.

[Anonymous No.10324882]

i agree, fightcade isnt cutting it, there has to be something bigger and more dynamic, like the parsec arcade community without shit limitations

[Anonymous No.10324996]

>>10316784

Online leaderboards would be cool, but there are already websites where you can post your highscores and such and compete against other people in that way. You don't need le online leaderboards just post your score on highscore.com or other such websites.

As for online play, yes this is desperately needed; I want to be able to play old games that aren't the standard Capcom arcade shit, but kusoge Genesis and SNES fighters I grew up with. I miss it man; all my friends moved away and none of the acquaintences I have are into retro games.

[Anonymous No.10325054]

>all of these anons positively seething at the thought of retro games being tied to online gaming in any way

I know this is a retro board and all, but Jesus Christ what the fuck is the matter with you people? Opportunities to engage with other people in the spirit of lighthearted competitiveness is one of the greatest things about vidya as a medium. Not everyone is going to be a tryhard, turbo speedrun autist if the features suggested by the OP get developed.

[Anonymous No.10325060]

>>10316784
They ain't dead.
They ain't boring.
Everything in your post is not my problem.

[Anonymous No.10326048]

>>10324996
Matchmaking would probably help a lot of old multiplayer games, though for certain games it would probably be hard to play with randoms.

Melee for example has rollback netplay and matchmaking thanks to Slippi, and it's got a pretty decent community that isn't all just tourney players.

[Anonymous No.10326065]

>>10316784
That's a lot of baseless assumptions for such a short OP text...

[Anonymous No.10326338]

>>10316784
Retro games are comfy because it's just you and the game, no online oversocialization ""features""

[Anonymous No.10326348]

Why play the classics when indies exist?

[Anonymous No.10326994]

>>10316784
eat a dick and die

[Anonymous No.10327002]

>>10316784
My theory is that youre a faggot and you suck enormous cock for fun

[Anonymous No.10327348]

Man that would be cool
Streets of rage 2 online coop and leaderboards wow

[Anonymous No.10327371]

>>10325054
I like how the mongs here seem to ignore that retro PC games were multiplayer is the focus exist

[Anonymous No.10327449]

>>10316784
This only works if the servers are decentralized, if anyone can host their own server. Otherwise delusional males will collude to get all the staff and moderator positions and gatekeep anyone that isn't also delusional.

We need to teach zoomies how to talk shit and prank each other online.

[Anonymous No.10327456]

>>10327449
I forgot to add this: every online modding community that is centralized is now infested and ruled by delusional males who get off on spreading their bizarre sexual fetishes. If we teach zoomies and alphas to haze one another for being fags, then that shit is nipped in the bud.

FFHacktics is filled with delusional males. Every admin but Elric and I think Nyzer is a troon, all the mods are troons, pretty much everyone who released a mod in the past 5 years is a troon. Ditto for RHDN, FF6hacking, NGPlus, SMW Central. They don't post much useful modding info on their respective forums because if it's kept in discords then they can bring people in there, vet them, boot everyone that doesn't tolerate their fetishes, and harass those who think they're acting in good faith. Not to mention they get access to underaged teens who they can groom into their fetishes.

I'm astounded no one has collected all the weird sexual fetishes (including pedophilia, furries, BDSM, forced exposure to porn/BDSM) that go on in modding and especially romhacking and emulation communities. We could fill dozens of Kiwi Farms threads with individuals from these communities, to say nothing of the communities themselves.

[Anonymous No.10327463]

>>10316784
Anon buy yourself a doctorate from one of the many reputable pay-to-graduate online 'universities' . You won't get one this way.

[Anonymous No.10327701]

>>10327449
>>10327456
>get into autistic hobby
>get mad when people are autistic in other ways
i'm sorry you got kicked from whatever discord you got kicked from. have you tried not obsessing over trannies constantly? tends to help.
>rest of the post
meds

[Anonymous No.10327716]

>>10327701
A delusional male typed this post.

Also I have receipts going back to 2007, back when your single mom first dumped you in your room with a tablet as your babysitter.

[Anonymous No.10327724]

>>10327716
>>10327701
hope this helps

[Anonymous No.10327801]

>>10327724
You should go back to r eddit.

[Anonymous No.10328347]

>>10327348
You can do that on the switch, not sure about leaderboards as that never interests me, most people cheat their ways to the top anyway

[Anonymous No.10329401]

Retroachievements has leaderboards and they're mostly ignored. Mostly due to all the cheaters getting top scores, but still.

[Anonymous No.10329953]

>>10329401
This is why I don't understand why people want leaderboards when the top 100 are usually the ones who have cheated

[Anonymous No.10329967]

I propose an opposite thesis: moving forward AI will play a much larger role in game creation, to the point where entire games are made with AI. Retro games, by existing before a world with AI, will maintain a certain level of interest like caveman paintings or hieroglyphics.

[Anonymous No.10329986]

>>10329967
machine learning can only remix what it already knows, not make something new. "ai" games cannot truly innovate, only a human can make a truly good game.
maybe once "ai" is able to make something like that, soul vs soulless will actually mean something instead of being a useless buzzword.

[Anonymous No.10330872]

>>10327456
modding communities were always filled with drama queens & divas. trannies have nothing to do with that any more than being terminally online does.

trannies didn't make graf almost quit the internet over a mod winning cacowards nor did they put malware DRM in a sonic fangame or server jacking root kits in a L4D map (btw valve never banned the guy who made that map). and the guy on the frontier dev team who was outed as a pedophile was ironically the one telling them to cut out all the sex pervert shit.

>>10327716
if you have receipts then post them and watch the world burn

[Anonymous No.10331613]

>>10316784
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No.

[Anonymous No.10331618]

>>10331613
Based

[Anonymous No.10331637]

Awful thread.
Parsley

[Anonymous No.10331647]

What an awful thread.
Rosemary

[Anonymous No.10331665]

>>10316784
>My thesis is that retro games will remain dead
Good.
>unless they get rebooted
No longer a retro game.
>online leaderboards, online achieves and online pvp where possible
Emulators and websites have had these options since the 1990s/2000s. ZSNES had only multiplayer, during the dialup era. No internal code changes were necessary.
>Without competition all retro games lack authentic replay value
False. Most retro games are good, because they don't have these features. You get rewarded for playing the game, not letting others know.
The day NamcoBandai takes the PacMan CEdx+ leaderboard servers down, won't change how fun the game is to play.

[Anonymous No.10331670]

>>10331665
Because that was worth the bump. You tell OP, anon! He's probably still here seething!

[Anonymous No.10331693]

>>10331670
It was already on page 1. If anything, you should be thankful that I helped push it closer to the bump limit, faggot.

[Anonymous No.10331694]

>>10329967
AI will be created to play the 2nd player of any game you want and talk to you. The bot will also call you a nigger, just like player 2 does in real life!

[Anonymous No.10331705]

>>10331693
>You should be thankful I contributed to keeping this shitpost thread alive instead of ignoring it or saging my gay post
Weird cope, but kill yourself.

[Anonymous No.10331740]

>>10316784
>zoomer has an opinion about retro games
Nobody cares, and you shouldn't be playing these games at all. Zoomers trying to be part of Millennial/Gen X communities is cringe as fuck and we hate you. Any zoomer who tries to be into old school fighting games is just a poser/wanna be.

[Anonymous No.10331747]

>>10331740
see >>10331670

[Anonymous No.10331750]

>>10316794
fpbp

[Anonymous No.10332161]

>>10331740
OP sounds like a 60 year old super players desu

[Anonymous No.10333812]

If you care about popularity then you care more about chasing and influencing trends rather than genuinely engaging with the games you're choosing to play

[Anonymous No.10333846]

>>10333812
Like it or not, but having a high score requires genuine engagement with a game. Casual players will never engage with the game as substantially as someone who is seeking to perform at a level that provides social validation.

[Anonymous No.10333854]

Speaking of retro games and leaderboards, sometimes I think about how weird it was when MGS2 Substance incorporated a scoreboard for player rankings but only if you plugged in a password the game generated into a certain website. Almost ties into the themes of the game itself in a weird unintentional sort of way.

[Anonymous No.10333904]

>>10316784
>My thesis is that retro games will remain dead (and boring)
Good. Stay away from my retro games. If you can't enjoy them on their own terms then go the fuck away.

[Anonymous No.10333906]

>>10316784
I hope they remain "dead".

[Anonymous No.10333940]

>>10316784
I love retro games and I only ever get a sense of satisfaction when I accomplish something for my own improvement because I think that time commitment is enjoyable. I get my sense of accomplishment in real life so I really don't care about competitive anything, I just want valuable enjoyable games I can immerse myself in. I don't even mind replaying them because the person I was yesterday is different than the person I will be tomorrow, and that will paint my thoughts and experiences. So I'm glad I have a little corner for myself to just enjoy things in my own pace, as long as they're well preserved. There's so much art out there to consume multiple lifetimes and I don't need to prove myself with solely video games, I can simply just enjoy them just as I can enjoy many other things.

[Anonymous No.10334143]

Even as someone who loves games with good scoring systems, general online leaderboards are often not very interesting because my shitty score is easily drowned out by a giant mass of people people either demolishing the game, flat out cheating, or just getting a single score and moving on, and the lack of communication or interplay between ranks means it's not satisfying to try and climb. I have no idea who the people around me are and if they're even still playing the game, so it's functionally equivalent to just trying to beat my own score over and over, which doesn't interest me much.

The only game with leaderboards I really enjoyed was Nex Machina, and that was because of how they got around the problem of "who cares about all these random people". You first get XP for cosmetics by getting a gold/silver/bronze score. After you get a gold, you're given a "rival" score on the leaderboard that's just close enough that you could plausibly beat them soon, but just far enough that you'd need to try. If you beat your rival, you get some XP and they give you another rival. It was shockingly engaging for how simple the idea was, and I'm disappointed I've never seen it since in another game.

I used to run a /vr/ leaderboard for Star Wars Episode 1 Racer when it got a revival for a little bit, and I ran a couple week-long caravan shmup /vr/ competitions. Those were fun as fuck because the active communication and the sense of everyone trying to git gud made even being lower on the board still fun: people are trading tips and videos and giving their thoughts, and it's fun to duel with others around your skill level, each of you forcing the other to push your boundaries a little further, hoping the other one finally has to give in and let you have the higher spot. Community and communication is the only way to make leaderboards interesting. Someday I'll probably do another 4chan Caravan, though fewer people participated as time went on.

[Anonymous No.10334296]

You can stop bumping the thread now.

[Anonymous No.10334307]

>>10334296
Okay.

[Anonymous No.10334315]

>>10334307
Ha ha, so funny, troon. You're still shitposting. Karma will be done onto you for your cheeky behavior.

[Anonymous No.10334323]

>>10334315

[Anonymous No.10335332]

>>10316784
> My thesis is that retro games will remain dead (and boring)
why are you here?

[Anonymous No.10337472]

>>10333846
Internet connections and leaderboards aren't needed when you're playing a game you intrinsically enjoy. Using extrinsic motivation for achievement is the attitude of a casual more concerned with popularity and status, these casuals will either give up quickly or stubbornly stick with a game they're no longer enjoying simply for this fake social accreditation.

It's okay to be a casual. It's how everyone starts. If you decide a game isn't for you at any time, I encourage you to stop wasting your time and try something new that you intrinsically enjoy.