/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10310910]

*Ruins JRPGs*
Heh, nothin' personnel kid

[Anonymous No.10310923]

Don't know what you're talking about, I like plenty of JRPGs on the thing with more that I haven't played. There are some that are very average, but that can be found on other consoles as well.

[Anonymous No.10310925]

All it did was flush the toilet.

[Anonymous No.10310927]

>>10310910
what? ps1 was the golden era of jrpgs along with the snes.

[Anonymous No.10310934]

Hi op. You are clearly mistaken.

[Anonymous No.10310938]

Jarpigs were never good

[Anonymous No.10310939]

>>10310910
Someone sounds bitter that SquareSoft hit their prime on the PlayStation and all they're best games were released there, gee I wonder what company you're a fan of. I'm going to assume you're a big fan of games made in RPG Maker?

[Anonymous No.10310959]

>>10310927
/thread
op is a faggot as usual

[Anonymous No.10311004]

>>10310927
This.
HOWEVER, I find psx jrpgs more difficult to go back to because of the load times.

[Anonymous No.10311086]

Sour grapes n64 fan?

Sour grapes n64 fan.

[Anonymous No.10311103]

Dumb console war thread. Kill OP

[Anonymous No.10311105]

>>10310910
Well, it did make them fully popular in the mainstream, so by the core rules of /vr/ that bluntly stupid statement is 100% true.

[Anonymous No.10311108]

>>10310910
>cds
yeah that sounds about right. we went from 15-20 hour epics like dragon quest 5 to indulgent snobbery like xenogears. japan never understood the proper way to use the extra storage space other than pointless content, text and load times. oh well. panzer dragoon saga is pretty clever. plenty of good ps1 rpgs sure, but it really was the beginning of the end.

[Anonymous No.10311125]

>>10310927
The SNES perfected JRPGs and then the PS1 took it too far.
-drab, overblown stories that overstay their welcome by like 10 hours
-too many cutscenes
-minute-long attack animations
-lots of unappealing 3D models

[Anonymous No.10311243]

>>10310939
>all they're [sic] best games were released there
>uses a SNES game as an example
I guess you technically didn't say "only" released there, but that doesn't really demonstrate the PS1's supposed RPG dominance.

[Anonymous No.10311245]

>>10311103
This wasn't meant to be a console war thread. I've enjoyed some PS1 games, but the JRPGs have been very disappointing.

[Anonymous No.10311256]

>>10311243
>uses a SNES game as an example
Of RPG Maker shit, yes. Reading comprehension. PlayStation RPG's look, sound, plays, and has far more depth than anything to be found on the SNES.

[Anonymous No.10311265]

>>10311256
I assumed you were giving it as an example of a good PS1 JRPG because it's better than any of the original FFs for the system.

[Anonymous No.10311295]

>another anti PS1 thread
I take great pleasure in seeing that, almost 30 years later, N64 kids are still beyond buttblasted about losing that gen.

[Anonymous No.10311304]

>>10311245
The people that yell 'console war' or 'n64 lost' are coping hard in here.
This is about 5th gen ruining a genre, keep your personal brand preferences out of this please.

[Anonymous No.10311327]

>>10310910
Compared to 16 bits jrpgs, PSX jrpgs have better plots, more defined characters, more varied gameplay, less grinding and more varied graphics.

[Anonymous No.10311343]

>>10311295
They will forever hold grudges. They still do so over Sonic and continually say the same canned line about the Genesis.

[Anonymous No.10311368]

>>10311343
It's always tendies. It's invariably, every single time, tendies. We desperately need a /vrn/ containment board to make this place decent again.

[Anonymous No.10311541]

JRPGs are good as a genre but it's like playing the same game by the same team just slightly remade each time. Sure as technology progressed things got better and you have the odd standout which distinguishes itself with a gimmick or two, but really they're basically all the same fucking game. Characters are bland and are more created to fulfill some need for an archetype in the mish-mash of Jung and Shinto that guides all JRPG writers. Their personality exists solely in how their hair style and outfits are depicted.

Tactical RPGs saved Japanese gaming really. But even that innovation was old, simply a transplant of ancient western CRPGs to the Japanese console. Japanese don't really innovate, they are more content to honor tradition and perhaps carve a table in a very slightly different way, so that an expert alone could see their unique style. Same is true in vidya.

[Anonymous No.10311549]

This bait is good and has 500 replies potential

[Anonymous No.10311591]

>>10311108
>japan never understood the proper way to use the extra storage space other than pointless content, text and load times.

And at that time at least, they also didn't understand how to use 3D graphics hardware other than tedious, time-devouring, gaudy, meaningless spectacle. The SNES was the ultimate platform for JRPG makers then. Give it more storage, and they fill it with aimless story convolutions and other clutter. Give it more speed, and they use it to run 3D graphics engines and incompetently indulge their fantasies of directing movies instead of making games (because they don't even like games all that much). It's as powerful a tool as they can handle without making at least one ruinous mistake.

What you'd need is a single person with actual decent taste in charge of an otherwise Japanese team of highly experienced developers. Probably a non-Japanese person then, somebody to pick out an actual good writer who won't make the story a giant tangle of shallow details, and to command the others to make combat (or whatever you mainly do in the game) go by as time-efficiently as possible and with as much interactivity as possible, and to somehow innovate beyond the standard system of letting players grind XP to surpass absolutely any challenge with zero skill having been required. Although that SaGa guy or someone else like him could probably suffice instead. Not all JRPG developers are absolutely obsessed with making shallow, stylish, non-interactive spectacles. Just... most of them.

[Anonymous No.10311637]

>>10311368
Meds

[Anonymous No.10311651]

>>10310939
>RPG Maker
ludo

[Anonymous No.10311974]

>>10311368
Nah he's probably a Segachad. Everyone knows that Sega lowkey had the best jrpgs

[Anonymous No.10312003]

>>10311295
These men are bald and still fighting about shit from a time you could smoke on an airplane. I had an N64 but PS1 would have been the better option.

[Anonymous No.10312005]

>>10311974
>panzer dragoon saga
>shining
>eternal arcadia
>phantasy star
>dragon force
>sakura taisen
you might be onto something anon.

[Anonymous No.10312019]

>>10310927
PS2 was 5he golden era, at least in terms of gameplay

[Anonymous No.10312027]

>>10312019
you dont even know what gameplay means kid, go home.

[Anonymous No.10312202]

>>10312005
I've never played lunar. Is it bad?

[Anonymous No.10312963]

>>10312202
>lunar
>game arts
not sega developed at all. game arts was a good developer and the lunar games are not overly indulgent. you can clear them in a weekend. grandia smells its own charming shit but the battle system is clever.

[Anonymous No.10312978]

>>10311125
Yeah this, limitations of cartridges required devs to write concise stories. PS1 they took it way too far and filled their games with bloat and meaningless bullshit. Its not entirely the PS1's fault since its on the devs to understand that filling the story with pointless dialog is bad writing, but its nearly 30 years later now and they still havent learned.

[Anonymous No.10313007]

>>10310910
Check out Game Boy maybe. Not every console excels in one particular area, some are more jack of all trades (and in some cases master of none). There are still plenty of solid action-adventure games on PS1 like Tomb Raider, Metal Gear Solid, and Mega Man Legends.

[Anonymous No.10313010]

>>10312202
Lunar is a SEGA CD thing. There is a Saturn/PS1 version but it's more of a remake afaik. I usually recommend playing the SEGA CD version because, well, it's SEGA CD.

[Anonymous No.10313029]

>>10311295
Nah. I've been over it for well over a decade. I even like the PS1 now.

[Anonymous No.10313080]

>>10310910
Nigger are you high?
There were so many sleeper JRPGs on that thing

[Anonymous No.10313132]

>>10311974
>>10312005
Based. Both Sega and NEC had far higher quality JRPG output than what was offer on the SNES, which was almost entirely SquareSoft's shovelware scraps. Everyone calls the SNES a "JRPG powerhouse" solely because it had quantity, speaking nothing for the quality of those games, which were largely lackluster.

[Anonymous No.10313135]

>>10313007
ChatGPT moment

[Anonymous No.10313142]

>>10312202
Yes
Not by SEGA and is vastly overrated by Evatards who loves Shinjiface or Smash Bros Brawl

Play this game instead

[Anonymous No.10313195]

>>10310910
but how could it ruin JRPG when it had THE best jrpg.

[Anonymous No.10313241]

>>10313142
What does Brawl have to do with Lunar?

[Anonymous No.10313430]

i like legend of dragoon

[Anonymous No.10313431]

>>10311368
I keep hearing "tendies" being thrown around. WTF do people mean by that these days? Sure as hell has nothing to do with chicken tenders.

[Anonymous No.10313449]

>>10313431
It's a way Nintendo fans are called, and it's always used by /v/fags when they want to shitpost, then again, this is a bait thread that should be deleted in a better world.

[Anonymous No.10313465]

>>10313449
Makes sense. Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.10313990]

>>10310923
So what did you, the player, do while this animation played? If you interacted with the game then that actually looks pretty fun.

[Anonymous No.10314043]

>>10313449
>this is a bait thread that should be deleted in a better world.
Uh-oh. I hear the Mod's fat flaps thundering down the hall...!