Are bullet hells fun? Or is it just ocd?

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Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 04:37:35 No.10309676 [Reply] [Original]

Are bullet hells fun?
Or is it just ocd?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 05:05:13 No.10309735 >>10309676 The only people who play those types of game tend to be autistic.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:05:41 No.10309798 >>10309676 It's for people that thought the souls community wasn't enough of a toxic shitheap. The kind of people that brag about their PTSD and nerve pain after completing the Path of Pain in Hollow Knight.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:06:56 No.10309804 File: 14 KB, 348x320, konami guy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] There's no game design in bullet hells, you're just playing a puzzle game instead of a shooter. Younger japs are infantile and love excess. >wan mirrion burrets wooow

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:07:36 No.10309805 >>10309798 >toxic >souls >hollow knight Consider a rope

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:15:38 No.10309814 >>10309805 zoomer detected

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:20:11 No.10309816 >>10309804 how is there no game design if it's a puzzle? there would be more game design in a puzzle game by definition then dumbass

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:24:24 No.10309819 >>10309814 Only a zoomer would use the term toxic in the manner of your post, and have some sort of intricate knowledge of the “souls community “ or hollow shite. Either that or you’re a homosexual. Kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:30:15 No.10309825 >>10309816 A maze is a puzzle. You can have a fucking randomizer make a million versions that shit in an instant. Same shit with bullethells. Dumb nigger.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:33:42 No.10309828 >>10309819 >don't use elementary language and commit suicide solid advice bro

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 06:57:50 No.10309853 >>10309676 What is this, danmaku for ants?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 07:52:57 No.10309905 >>10309804 all shooters are puzzles, if anything bullet hells are less of a puzzle since you can get away with lucky dodges

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 08:15:11 No.10309931 >>10309798 >toxic I hate how faggots took such a great adjective like this and turned it into the gayest term of all time.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 08:25:11 No.10309948 >>10309853 It's a screenshot of the lost Mushi port for flip phones.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 08:30:48 No.10309952 >>10309676 I've played Mushihime once, liked the aesthetic but fuck me I have no idea how to dodge THAT many bullets. I know that hitboxes are really small but I can barely see myself and boss, not even speaking of moving on screen.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 08:31:38 No.10309954 >>10309676 Yes. Also, yes.

Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 08:36:35 No.10309963

>>10309676
>Are bullet hells fun?

Some of them like Touhuhuhuh, kind of.

I've had a double disc with Giga Wing 2 and Mars Matrix as a kid, that was my first bullet hell game. I didn't like GW2, its Bible-esque motives, ugly character portraits, incoherent plot and soundtrack, everything was off putting. I thought that maybe it's because I wasn't used to anime and bullet hells back then, maybe it's actually good. Replayed it recently and nope, it's still ugly shit.

Mars Matrix, on other hand, was just about right. Played it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 12:19:50 No.10310268 >>10309948 You're shitting, there's no way a flip phone could render that much projectiles. Even DS port of Ketsui got less on screen bullet saturation.

Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 12:34:09 No.10310286

>>10310268
Flip phones had outrageously powerful hardware for what they were supposed to do. People just have a warped sense of capabilities because everything you saw was J2ME trash written by wet-behind-the-ears "programmers" who had only had a video game described to them chinese whisper style.
Every now and then something impressive happens because someone at Motorola gave a company the native API to play with.

Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 12:52:20 No.10310324 [DELETED]

>>10309825
Not exactly.
In bullethells all waves as chaotic as they seem are carefully designed so while maybe being near impossible hard and precise there is always a spot you can hide in. They're predesigned waves.
Random quickly would put you in impossible situations.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 15:33:04 No.10310558 >>10310324 >They're predesigned waves Which a randomizer can also create.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 15:37:40 No.10310571 >>10309676 i think they're fun at first but they get really boring after awhile

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 15:39:31 No.10310575 >>10309676 Meme example Try older ones like Battle Garegga or early Touhou games

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 15:49:20 No.10310605 >>10310324 >Random quickly would put you in impossible situations. Aren’t there a decent amount of targeted shots too that make you move around? That’s sorta random

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 15:50:00 No.10310606 >>10310605 Yes and it's lazy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 18:43:09 No.10310958 >>10309804 tpbp shmups are top-tier action games. bullet hells are lazy derivative slop.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 18:48:35 No.10310965 Fun Cute em ups > 5thgen+ Horizontal shmups > 5thgen+ vertical shmups > 5thgen+ bullet hells > 1st-4th gen non-cute-em-up shmups

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 18:53:45 No.10310981 >>10310965 Spoken like a shitter with zero clears

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 19:09:32 No.10311019 File: 52 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10309676 Bullet hell games are essentially this game at a macro level. But instead of gas you're holding down the fire button.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 19:46:45 No.10311115 >>10309676 When you master about half of in-game patterns and start avoiding them flawlessly, you may sometimes enter that mythical state of flow. It feels nice.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 20:37:41 No.10311219 >>10309676 That's not what ocd means you dumbshit Ocd is when you release a boomer virus because you hate the middle class

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 9, 2023 23:47:39 No.10311630 >>10309676 Just use bombs, lil nigga.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 10, 2023 15:50:42 No.10313165 >>10309676 >133x180 >apple filename bot post

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 10, 2023 17:01:19 No.10313301 >>10309948 No it's not.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 10, 2023 20:41:02 No.10313832

>>10309676
They're great.
After you acclimate yourself to BULLETSBULLETSBULLETS it feels like playing an intense puzzle game.
The goal isn't really to dodge the bullets. It's great if you can do that, but it's much more effective to already be where the bullets aren't. You do that by looking at the pattern and imagining what it will look like in five seconds, figure out what the safest spot will be, and how to get there. Once you arrive, you imagine what it will look like five more seconds in the future and repeat. But you also want to make sure that you aren't backing yourself into a corner, so at the same time you need to be loosely planning the next ten, twenty seconds- and execute all of these plans at the same time under a lot of stress.
It's a thinking game. When I play I feel like I'm working my brain out much more than my fingers.
Some stages feel even more puzzle-like because they're really hard if you face them head on, but really easy if you come up with an out-of-the-box solution. I felt like a fucking genius the first time I had the idea to fly BEHIND the boss to dodge an attack.
Dodging is very difficult and it's the wall that prevents more people from enjoying the genre, but in general you should only need to do a difficult dodge if you've already done something wrong. Once you get good at it though it feels AMAZING when you pull off a crazy dodge.
I really can't recommend the genre enough.

If you're having trouble building up the experience you need to enjoy shooting games because you just keep dying, try looking into level-based games like Shoot the Bullet.
Instead of having a limited number of lives to beat the whole game, you have a level select and overcome bosses one phase at a time, taking as many tries as you want. You don't ever lose progress so it's much more forgiving.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 10, 2023 20:54:18 No.10313871 File: 241 KB, 1871x1863, mbcover.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I always preferred ones like R-Type or Metal Black. Their scenery and set pieces help draw me into them in a way that a screen full of pulsating pink orbs wouldn't.

Anonymous Tue, Oct 10, 2023 21:09:04 No.10313931
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>>10309676
Play ikaruga, reach nirvana, pour mtn dew and gatorade down your mouth and into your asshole, scream as you fondle your nipples after getting through half of the first stage, rinse and repeat.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 00:53:33 No.10314449 >>10313931 ikaruga is an overrated piece of shit and there's a reason why treasure never made another shooter

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 00:56:37 No.10314452 >>10309814 You are the zoomer for talking about games that are not retro on a retro game board. Please take your new faggoty indie shit some place else.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 01:14:29 No.10314493 >>10309676 They're fun, you get in the zone playing them and that feels really satisfying.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 02:05:25 No.10314603 Like a lot of things they're fun until you let it take over your life. Get an arcade stick and some low THC high CBD weed, boot up a Cave game and try not to chop off your dick and have a good time.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 09:16:46 No.10315192 >>10309814 lmao shut up faggot the way you worded your previous comment absolutely outs you as the zoomer here.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 09:35:44 No.10315223

>>10313832
>level-based games like Shoot the Bullet
Do you know of any more games like this? Don't care if they're retro or not. I like these a lot more than the standard shmup that's designed for 1ccing, but I've had trouble finding ones that have proper gameplay. Usually they're just garbage mobile games with babby patterns and a focus on metaprogression at the expense of dodging.
The only ones I know of are the other Touhou scene games and Qute's games.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 09:42:41 No.10315228 >>10309798 how do i delete other people's posts

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 16:06:11 No.10315762 >>10309676 yes

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 16:50:19 No.10315859 >>10309676 shmups are fundamentally very similar to arcade obstacle games like the irritating maze, except that game is at least honest enough to say that’s it’s irritating in the title

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 17:34:30 No.10315929 >>10309798 as someone who's not really into shmups on the level of bullet hells i wouldn't really consider that particular community toxic. autistic maybe but not toxic.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 18:45:50 No.10316067

Ooh, let me move a pixel to the left to get in between these two bullets that are coming at me. Now I'm going to just keep moving ever so slightly while holding down the fire button.

OK, I held down the fire button for 10 minutes and have moved a grand total of 15 pixels during that entire time. The boss is dead. I feel so accomplished.

Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 22:20:04 No.10316603
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>>10315223
You mentioned Touhou, but you might not know of the fangame Moedan by D.N.A. Softwares. I haven't played it in a while, but I remember enjoying it.
Princess Remedy in a World of Hurt is another good one, I've probably played it close to a dozen times. Haven't ever played the sequel though. The same guy made a few other shooting games that might interest you; I particularly like Hero Core.
The PC version of ToHeart2 comes with a very short cute-em-up called Super Sweets Scramble that I'm rather fond of.
There's a DS/Wii game called Geometry Wars Galaxies that's level-based. No cute girls but still very fun.
The Flash RPG series Epic Battle Fantasy made a spin-off game called Bullet Heaven that's level based. It's a moderately entertaining distraction.
I'll also just include a general recommendation to check out PlatineDispositif's games if you haven't already; if you think the stuff I listed is cool you'll probably enjoy his body of work.

That's about everything I can think of. Happy dodging!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 22:22:31 No.10316609 >>10314449 I used to think this until I got good

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 22:38:41 No.10316641 >>10316067 just move to a safe spot

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 22:43:13 No.10316656 >>10313832 >>10313871 shoot the bullet owns. glad to see some appreciation for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 11, 2023 23:02:15 No.10316694 >>10314603 How do you get good enough at them to have fun, if not by letting it take over your life? Sure you're not just in denial?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 12, 2023 16:16:01 No.10318364 >>10316694 very fine line, limit your sessions to 1hr

>>	r Thu, Oct 12, 2023 23:56:56 No.10319312 >>10316694 If you've chopped off your dick you're playing too much. If you haven't you're okay.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Oct 12, 2023 23:58:36 No.10319317 >>10316694 Cut off your benis so that you'll only think with your brain when gaming.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 01:12:50 No.10319442 >>10309676 If you learn the basics like bullet streaming, ir not staying back, you start to have so much fun you dont even notice the ocd kick in. Dont let noreflex seethers stop you from trying.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 01:43:21 No.10319487

Check out electric underground on YouTube: https://youtu.be/No-VfaOzMLg?si=xiBKCr6he8Sc0-2i

Super wholesome down to earth dude who makes decent content without a lot of the awful YouTube bullshit that retro game channels pull. Just likes to talk about hard games that are fun to play, the majority of which are shmups. Also seems like he isn’t politically retarded which is nice

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 11:13:23 No.10320223 >>10309735 they are based enough to try to figure out how to lower input lag, and they obsess over controllers.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 11:26:24 No.10320241 >>10309798 on an unrelated note, why is the writting in hollow knight so fucking gay and insufferable? it takes itself way too serious, i like the game but every piece of dialog just makes me cringe

>>	Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 12:58:21 No.10320339 >>10309931 Corrosive has become my new go to, it's yours for free.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 22:16:18 No.10321472

>>10320241
honestly most indy games are artsy fartsy like that. i don't get why people put them all on a pedestal or treat them as a gold standard when 90% of them try to be some sort of pretentious art house schlock.

and don't get me fucking started on THE STATE of indie horror.

Anonymous Fri, Oct 13, 2023 22:26:48 No.10321495
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>>10309676
i wonder it about myself
there is nothing "RELAXING" about bullet hell shmups
im not sure why i am drawn to them
i like going in blind not 'practicing' maps
i like to try to use my intuition\ESP\skill\reaction time
i enjoy seeing how far i can get without having to quarter-munch
i get in an autistic 'zone' and start going hard as fuck

a few other games get me like this,
tempest 2000, defender on the 2600, gunbird, gg aleste 2, etc
i dont score chase, get competitive
i just enjoy that type of gameplay from time to time

i have a few arcade pcb. superguns
rgb scart to s-video converters, sony pvm
custom arcade sticks
everything you would need
i probably go into shmup mode about 2-3 times a month
beat a shmup on pc engine, saturn, genesis
then its out of my system for awhile

hope that makes sense anon

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 14, 2023 04:58:32 No.10322260 >>10309798 Souls games didnt exist when mushi came out.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 14, 2023 16:41:42 No.10323124 >>10320339 I've been using caustic for a while now, works every time in place of toxic

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 14, 2023 16:55:21 No.10323153 >>10316067 That's how I feel playing JRPGs.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 14, 2023 21:06:46 No.10323739 >>10309676 Its the most pure form of videogame If they arent fun then nothing is

>>	Anonymous Sat, Oct 14, 2023 21:20:13 No.10323762 Pretty sure it is OCD. I only enjoy Touhou for the lore, the art, and the music. And this has been true of me for the past decade and a half. I only played the games for a total of 10 minutes in all this time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 03:04:45 No.10324534 >>10323762 Average Touhou fan

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 03:07:43 No.10324540 >>10309676 >Are bullet hells fun? Not if your brain is healthy.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 03:27:07 No.10324570 >>10323762 >the lore, the art, those are the worst parts of it

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 03:59:11 No.10324632 >>10323762 I bet you don't even read the manga

Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 10:56:29 No.10325221
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> be me
> play donpachi for literally months, sometimes up to 5 times week
> can get to stage 4 with 4 lives remaining
> stage 4 rapes me of all lives
> panic. use bombs
> oh no, silly. you need those too for the boss
> furthest i got to boss is at least 2x screens of map difference between me and boss
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH this is driving me crazy. it's so damn difficult.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 11:02:48 No.10325227 >>10309798 Protip: say "a bunch of fags" instead of toxic when referring to a community

Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 12:37:42 No.10325342

>>10319487
>shilling the /shmupg/-approved wannabe e-celeb
mark is a grifter that milks retards out of their patreon bucks and uses his limited influence to shit on the parts of the genre he doesn't like (everything not vertical/bullet hell, with the ocassional exception), go back to your discord circlejerk and never return

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 17:39:41 No.10325851 >>10325221 I love how you blocked out the name like it means anything with that shitty score

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 19:09:34 No.10326104 >>10319487 shut up mark

Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 22:49:06 No.10326520

>>10319487
This guy is the lowest effort faggot out there right now yet he still has the audacity to charge for a patreon.
I absolutely HATE that shmup junkie guy because he’s so cringe and unfunny but at the very least he puts effort into his content instead of just sitting in his moms office

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 22:55:02 No.10326534 >>10314449 >there's a reason why treasure never made another shooter they knew it couldn't be trumped so they never even tried

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 23:41:17 No.10326598 >>10326520 I can't handle this faggot. What makes you think he's not politically retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Oct 15, 2023 23:58:03 No.10326628 >>10326598 meant for >>10319487

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 00:04:49 No.10326640 >all those nonplayers hating on /ourguy/ mork sasuga /vr/

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 00:19:18 No.10326664 >>10309798 lmao casual faggot >i-if people brag they are good at video games and I'm not.. they are le toxic!! Unironically kill yourself or go back to the le reddit, you don't belong here

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 00:20:20 No.10326665 >>10311019 high IQ take

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 01:33:34 No.10326825 When the fuck is Cave gonna port Futari

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:02:03 No.10326874 >>10326825 Ask M2. Once DOJ comes out this christmas they'll probably do futari next

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:02:51 No.10326875 >>10326874 Didn't Live Wire do the first Mushi? But yeah if Futari is the next ShotTriggers release that'd be preferable, especially since that means it'll get a good physical release

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:05:35 No.10326880 >>10326875 they did, but all the livewire re-re-releases were based on already existing 360 ports iirc.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:06:33 No.10326883 >>10326880 Yeah, I was basically just wondering if we were stuck waiting for Live Wire to do it, or if M2 could swoop in. I feel like DaiOuJou was kind of an exception because the 360 port was so infamously shit that it needed a fresh version

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:09:23 No.10326887 >>10326883 I guess M2 already did it on the 360 wtf? I never knew futari had a console release so even less of an excuse for them not to release it now

Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:13:11 No.10326895

>>10326887
Yeah Futari 360 was one of the bigger releases alongside ESPgaluda 2 because they're both region free. The latter got a port-over by Live Wire, but that's also due to it being done internally by Cave (seemingly).
I genuinely forgot Futari 360 was M2, so yeah I guess it's gonna be ShotTriggers. A bit of a sad day for PC players but I suppose they can just emulate the Switch port (or stick to Xenia)

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 02:16:25 No.10326902 >>10326895 what I don't understand is we got DFK for pc but not the others. It's easy enough to emulate switch though

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 08:33:30 No.10327392 >>10326883 How's the PS2 version?

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 13:53:36 No.10327717 >>10319487 Go to bed mork

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 13:58:24 No.10327726 >>10310286 My old flip phone had devil may cry 3, I shit you not.

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 14:02:52 No.10327729 test

>>	Anonymous Mon, Oct 16, 2023 23:02:25 No.10328919 >>10327392 Very good but it lacks Black Label due to how early it released.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Oct 17, 2023 17:04:00 No.10330780 >>10327392 it's kind of the grail for console cave ports and that's why everyone is so hyped about it coming to ps4/switch

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 18, 2023 02:12:57 No.10332059 >>10326887 That was the era when CAVE went full retard and ported a bunch of arcade shmups to the dudebro console that had interest in Japanese games.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 18, 2023 02:18:08 No.10332068 >>10326887 That was the era when CAVE went full retard and ported a bunch of arcade shmups to the dudebro console that had zero interest in Japanese games.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 18, 2023 05:04:23 No.10332246 >>10332068 I assumed it was because of the online store either subsidizing fees to gain content or just general ease of development compared to ps3.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Oct 18, 2023 11:57:58 No.10332683 >>10332246 the latter iirc

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