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Working Designs thread?

>> No.1030551

They're not really a studio, they just did localizations and a lot of weeabos have problems with the liberties they took with games but back in the day that logo was a good indicator that you were going to get a pretty sick game that no other company would have given your white ass enough credit for wanting to play to release it in your region.

>> No.1030571
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>that feel when no tall handsome magic swordsman boyfriend

>> No.1030609

Yes their jokes were hit or miss (mostly miss) but they were the best when it came to translation. I personally love them and was actually sad when they were gone. I know it became something new but I have so fond memories of it.

>> No.1030630
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Lunar 4lyfe.

Actually I loved the jokes.

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>>1030609
>>1030630
Jokes hit or miss? Prepare your childhood...

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>>1030640

>> No.1030661

>>1030646
How is that even a joke? She's literally just saying "hey, I'm great at sucking dicks!"

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>>1030661
She giving you her head to stand on.

>> No.1030671

>>1030667
Oh, I see that now.

>> No.1030674

>>1030646
I can't even imagine the context of this,

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>>1030667
Oh shit

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I like Fuu the best. She's a nerd, but she's also totally badass. It kinda depresses me that her dream job is "systems analyst" though. I guess I'm not as big a nerd as I like to think.

>> No.1030691

>>1030676
Classic line...

I really did enjoy the translations and Japanese omake packaging. But I also greatly disliked their tinkering with the mechanics of games. They really made Silhouette Mirage nearly impossible unless you take (punch) the money out of every single enemy. Sega CD's Lunar 2 "point" system was also annoying... And Popful Mail... Ugh. Why, Vic?! Why?

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>>1030691
>classic line
Sorry forgot the accompanying picture...

>> No.1030694

>>1030540
What happened to them?

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>>1030694
Dragon Force is actually my favorite game ever.

As far as I know the company went under, though Vic Ireland still lurks on NeoGAF and sometimes has a AMA thread every so often. I think he has a new company now.

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>>1030692
Never forget

>> No.1030836

Is it just me, or are prices on Rayearth going through the roof on ebay. I passed it up for $80 a year ago because I didn't have a Saturn yet. Now I've seen them go for $140-180. Then again almost everything Working Designs made is getting really expensive now.

>>1030683
My nigga

>> No.1030840

>>1030836
magic knight rayearth has become my favorite saturn game. I really love it. I'm considering dropping the big bone on it, just because I like it so much and would love to have it in my collection, but, yeah, you're right. it's fucking ridiculous.

>> No.1030849

>>1030840
Hey, OP here. Yeah, actually I have never played Rayearth and the screens in the thread really shock me... I live in Japan actually so I think I will get the Japanese version from S Potato tomorrow, but that translation certainly makes me curious!

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>>1030849
if i recall correctly, the japanese version isn't anywhere near as expensive. man, I want to go to Japan. cool stuff man. hope you enjoy it over there.
certainly try Rayearth. to me, it feels like quite a simple RPG, but the characters are fun, and I enjoy the dialogue and gameplay. You don't level up like a normal rpg however. you kind of just progress Zelda-Style and as you get upgrades, you get stronger like that. also, you'll find Health and Magic crystals that increase a character's max of whichever, so, yeah.

Umi's my favorite character.

>> No.1030897

>>1030694

Vic Ireland threw a massive manbaby fit at Konami for not giving him Goemon, combined with his absolute hatred of the DS/GBA, meaning he refused to follow his bread and butter franchise (Lunar) to keep his company funded. He bankrupted the whole company by not getting it any goddamned work. I'm forever pissed at him for putting his selfish whims above the needs of his goddamned people.

>>1030691

I actually loved how goddamned difficult Silhouette was. Honestly a lot of the games WD brought over were middling at best before they tooled around with them, balance or translation-wise. Honestly, Lunar's just a very generic fantasy RPG without their work.

>> No.1030923

>>1030897
>Vic Ireland threw a massive manbaby fit at Konami for not giving him Goemon,
This is not what happened at all.
What happened was they had procured the rights to Goemon, and were working on the PS2 Goemon, and were denied releasing the game by Sony because it was so late in the PS2s life, and Sony didn't want the game out in the US. Because of the money threy had sunk into the translation project, and unable to release the game they were out a fuckton of money with no way to recover it.

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>>1030923
What could have been I wonder?
Vic? You out there? Got any feedback?

Well, anyway, regardless of the story... the Goemon project is what really killed them? I had no idea... Do you know what Vic's company is doing now?

>> No.1031002

>>1030997
Base on Wikipedia they are now Gaijinworks. Seem they are mostly publishing digital PSN games from the PSX era. Guess we will find out if they are going to get actual work.

>> No.1031004

>>1030897
Not true... WD were working on Goemon already. It had nothing to do with Konami. I think it had more to do with Sony, but I was not aware that it was the Goemon project that bankrupt the company...

>> No.1031019

What I really missed was the bloopers in the end. I always laughed at those and wish more games had those. Like an unlockable after beating the game. To me Working Designs really stands at one of the best publishers of all time. Yes their humor was almost cringe worthy but when they worked on a game they did their best to make it enjoyable. And those extra stuff with the games were always a treat to have.
>>1030897
Lunar was fairly generic but no one knew that at the time. We didn't really have much in the ways of RPGs. And I still say the voice acting was fairly good especially in 1992. And for a RPG that was actually legible was amazing since Final Fantasy 4 was just a year later and no one could understand what was going on in that game.

>> No.1031034

>>1030691
>They really made Silhouette Mirage nearly impossible unless you take (punch) the money out of every single enemy.

Man, I can't help but feel that people are waaaaaay over exaggerating the difficulty of Silhouette Mirage. I mean, this is a medium length action game that lets you save frequently, and always right where something big is going to happen. None of the boss patterns take long to learn either...

>> No.1031048

>>1031019
Wait a minute!! Lunar 1 and 2 are in no way as generic as any other SNES Final Fantasy game, which they did come out at around the same time as. Stop this poopoo right this instant, please.

>>1031034
Yes, I understand this and I beat the game multiple times, but now, after playing the Japanese Saturn version, I think the game's fun factor was significantly reduced by having to grind for money if you want better weapons (which again you don't need to beat the game, but god damn it...)

>> No.1031060

>>1031048

Okay, you do have a good point now. It's pretty obvious that this 'work for your fun' sort of gameplay wouldn't appeal to a lot of people. However, crazy as it may sound, rewarding the player for minimalism can be a pretty interesting flavor if you're up to it. The only true problem with SM would be that the difficulty settings were locked away preventing use of more standardized play.

>> No.1031068

>>1031019
Lunar TSSSC was "generic" or old school in a time when we had the RPG cliches of emo, slikey haired protagonist that were emotionless douchebags wearing fur jackets. Frankly Lunar TSSSC's "genericness" was a breath of fresh air from having to select Draw or play Track and Field whenever we summoned a GF.

>> No.1031071

>>1030646
>>1030736
These remind me of the bow maker in Wakfu/Dofus.

("So you want a bow job? I see you have your wood ready.")

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>>1030691
Their worst offender was Exile 2.

>> No.1031082
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Sony is probably part of the reason Working Designs died. They forced Arc the Lad into translation hell and ended up only letting them release it as a complete collection, Growlanser Generations was original going to be budget seperate releases but Sony said they couldn't release a 2D PS1 game on PS2 without putting them together, and then they denied Goemon despite the fact that most of the work was done already.

One of their biggest money pits ever though was Magic Knight Rayearth. Part of the source code was lost before WD got their hands on it and as such some of the game had to be rebuilt from scratch causing tons of delays.

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>>1031071

>> No.1031108

>>1031082
Sounds like WD dug its own grave and actively knew it wouldn't make any money. But still
I dont think it is as simple as Sony cockblocking them. But this was evidently going to happen eventually...

>> No.1031276

All the "3D is the Only Way!" policies of the late 90s/early 2000's really killed/kept away a lot of great stuff.

>> No.1031290

While I do like Working Designs for the most part (looking at Silhouette Mirage), what I really miss is the SPAZ label they had which brought over a few excellent shumps.

Plus, they localized Elemental Gearbolt, which is one of the best light gun games ever made in my opinion. How can I hate that?

>> No.1031529

>>1031034
I have to agree - the game is nowhere near as unplayable as its detractors make out, and several early spots in the game give you more money than you'll ever really need, especially if you don't buy the fully-powered up shot and boomerang weapons in the first level, which makes any other items redundant.

The game is still plenty fun and I feel that you miss out on some charming, humorous atmosphere and dialog if you skip out on the English release.

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If you like Magic Knight Rayearth you should watch the anime. The world of Cephiro is beautiful!

>> No.1031607

>>1031561
Avoid season 2, though. The first season included a bunch of JRPG tropes and was like an anime trying to be a video game. But, S2 had none of that. It didn't even have a setting. It was just character drama in empty hallways.

Also fuck ebay resellers for making it so hard to complete my Working Designs collection.

>> No.1031645

>>1031607
The character drama was my favorite part though. I loved how Hikaru and Lantis interacted.

>> No.1031654

>>1031645
You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making! Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>> No.1031776

>>1030923
>and were working on the PS2 Goemon, and were denied releasing the game by Sony because it was so late in the PS2s life

God damn it. I know it would have sold like shit especially on playstation, but fuck.

>> No.1031795

>>1031654

Go back to /v/.

>> No.1031892

>>1031795
Yes that's exactly what tripfags should do.

>> No.1032320

My WD collection stands at 22 of 29 games. I hope to complete it soon.

>> No.1032325

>>1030698
Gaijin Works it the company that rose from the ashes of Working Designs.

>> No.1032331

The goofy dialog of Albert Odyssey: Legend of Eldean really elevates what is otherwise a standard RPG (with beautiful graphics).

It's been a while since I've played it, but I do remember a dragon warrior dying at your party-member Gryzz's feet, and he says "It appears that he is dead" to which your gal-pal says "Well that's some excellent sleuthing there, Gryzz. Good job."
That's a lame example but I can't remember any specific jokes at the moment.

>> No.1032375

>>1031607

It's funny you think that, because the reason why the price is high is because everyone else is doing the same thing.

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So where can I find this Alex puppet?

>> No.1032469

>>1032464
Vic Ireland's house.

>> No.1032474

>>1032469
stashes them in a box in the garage under the dirty rags

>> No.1032491

>>1032469
You mean to say Vic is the only one who has them? We're they never publicly available?

>> No.1032492

>>1032491
Only a prototype was made. That picture is the prototype.

>> No.1032505

>see that logo
>think of this
>http://www.ebay.ca/itm/JETSONS-FLINTSTONES-PRINT-KIT-PC-EXCELLENT-COMPLETE-/181192188860?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2a2fe563bc
>then think of this
>http://www.mobygames.com/game/daffy-duck-pi-the-case-of-the-missing-letters

Youth.

>> No.1032510

>>1032492
How much do you want for it, Vic?

>> No.1032535

>>1030630
How do you not have the art books? Or the japanese guidebooks? "4life?" not convinced.

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>>1032535
>implying that image wasn't just taken off the first page of a google image search

Vay 4 lyfe, screw Lunar.

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>>1032492
You serious bro? So there's no real puppet out there?

>> No.1032613

>>1032610
There is one puppet. Victor Ireland has it if he hasn't sold it off eBay like a bunch of other Working Designs goodies when the company folded.

>> No.1032627

>>1032613
So we gonna pull an
Oceans 11 on this or what?

>> No.1032637

>>1032627
>implying the guy that knows the only puppet is at Vic's house isn't Vic himself

Mission FAILED

>> No.1032749

I have punching puppet ghaleion how ya spell that again?

>> No.1032763

>>1031004
It wasn't entirely the goemon project, they hadn't made good money off a game in a while, but the goemon project was what pushed them over the edge.

>> No.1035665

>tfw you have a huge crush on Luna and her sweet voice
>tfw Luna's voice actor is a horridly fucking ugly middle-aged woman, not a qt teenage girl

>> No.1035697

i wonder how much crossover there is between people on this board and SA's retro games thread, cause all of a sudden there was this thread and the SA one was talking about Magic Knight Rayearth I DUNNO

>> No.1035716

>>1035697
Most likely a lot due to the game center thread is hawked by them.

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>>1031071
>>1031107
The game also has things like testicles as powerup items. gotta love the French.

>> No.1035809

>>1031004
It wasn't Goemon, it was Sony's insistence that they package three(?) Arc the Lad games together and sell them as Arc the Lad Collection. That was pretty much the final nail in the coffin, but as the guy you're replying to pointed out, it was Vic Ireland's lack of business acumen that precipitated the company's doom.

>> No.1036742

>>1031034
I just wish someone could find a way to splice the English script into the Saturn version

>> No.1036747

>>1031082
Speaking of Sony and localizations, they blocked Atlus from localizing Soul Hackers, as well as the PSP port of Devil Summoner 1, because not enough content was added, nevermind the fact that it never got released here