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Why was this allowed?

>> No.10242110

>>10242068
Probably to keep some element of tension. Let's face it, once you know how the game works, it's virtually impossible to lose otherwise. That said, if you're going for a fastest time high score, it is indeed bullshit.

>> No.10242142

Life is unfair, sometimes you just can't win under any circumstances.
Minesweeper is like that too.

>> No.10243285

>>10242110
I doubt it's intentional, but I'm curious as of whether some tweaks to the generation code would allow creating guaranteedly solvable puzzles with no guesswork, or if it's just a kink basically built in and it'd require a different code built from scratch.

>> No.10243305

>logic game
>forces you to make a 50/50 guess
Minesweeper was never good

>> No.10243343

>>10242068
Underage posting isn't allowed. You just get away with it sometimes.
>>10242142
b-b-but my mommies told me I can active anything I put my mind to.
>>10243285
It doesn't generate an unsolvable puzzle every time, so obviously it's possible to "tweak" the code to only offer solvable puzzles. A simple way to do this is just build a solver, run it each time a puzzle is generated, and discard it if it's not solvable. I've done this, and I'm sure many other people have.
But the entire idea is just autistic snowflakeism. To start the game you must make a guess. You can lose the game on your first try. Even this can cause meltdowns. So to fully snowflakeproof the game you need to generate the puzzle after the player has selected their first square, define that square as not being a mine, and confirm that the puzzle is solvable from that point. I've done that as well.
All this is relatively easy and requires only minor additions to the code. The original puzzle generation code doesn't need to be touched.

>> No.10243345

I first started thinking most people are retarded when I learned nobody could figure out how to play minesweeper.

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>>10243343
I'm sure all that sounded less embarrassing inside your ass where your head is, what with the natural soundproofing and all

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>>10243345
Everybody else's basic inability to extrapolate safe choices from very obvious information may finally get you laid some day, be grateful for it.

>> No.10243376

>>10243364
>basic inability to extrapolate safe choices from very obvious information
No, Most people can't even figure out what the numbers mean and think it is all random chance.

>> No.10243692

>>10243343
>You can lose the game on your first try.
Actually, you can't. The puzzle is only generated after you make the first try.

>> No.10243694

I got into a heated argument with a friend once over whether Minesweeper would automatically make your first click not a bomb or not. Apparently the og version wouldn't and you could just insta-die first click.

I was so mad when I experienced that for my first time in some Sonic Advance minigame with Knuckles minesweeping. He could hit a bomb first turn.

>> No.10243695

>>10243343
Are you okay?

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>>10243694
Apparently it's from Sonic Battle, I falsely remember it being from Pinball Party or a Chao Garden minigame.
>>10243692
Yes you can, it depends on which version. I almost had a friendship end arguing over it.

>> No.10244151 [DELETED] 

>>10243692
>Actually, you can't. The puzzle is only generated after you make the first try.
Only if it's programmed that way kiddo. Imagine being too young to have ever played windows minesweeper.
>>10243351
>>10243695
>waaahhhh! mommies!

>> No.10244165

>game about sweeping mines
>dont know where the mines are
>if you fuck up once you fucking die
highly immersive gameplay 10/10
git gud opie

>> No.10244187

>>10243305
spider solitare was the best tbdesu

>> No.10244254

>>10244187
*3D pinball

>> No.10244280

>>10243694
Were you like 8 or something when you had that argument? I can't imagine two healthy adults getting into a HEATED discussion about minesweeper.

>> No.10244369 [DELETED] 

>>10243343
damn, what a petty tranny

>> No.10244384

>>10242068
i dont get it. the answer is obvious

>> No.10244389

>>10244384
The issue is that there are 3 potential solutions.

>> No.10244390

>>10244151
Windows version of Minesweeper won't instakill on first click alongside with the update to prevent it, happened between Windows 95 and 97/98.

>> No.10245793

>>10244390
>happened around the time millennials started playing minesweeper
This tracks. I wrote a version that generates a guaranteed solvable map after the first click in the late 90's. I think the client was worried they'd be on the hook for the cost of the emotional support hampsters for kids who couldn't solve the puzzle every time.

>> No.10245881

>>10243285
yeah there's lots of minesweeper clones that have "no guessing" modes

>> No.10245893

the vast majority of versions, even old ones, have a function where you can hold ctrl or something while you click and it'll override one of those leap of faith situations