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[Anonymous No.10237943]

This is the best final fantasy period.

[Anonymous No.10237950]

>>10237943
It's the kinda game that you had to be there to fully appreciate it. Does that objectively make it the best Final Fantasy game?
Probably not. but it is the best FF game for me, and that's all that matters.

[Anonymous No.10238032]

>>10237943
It's a good one. Lots of fun systems.

[Anonymous No.10238216]

>>10237943
Its def top 5 for me. Especially after another Anon pointed out how broken it is and how easy it is to cheese the game. For example, right before last boss you can use Card to refine Bahamuts card for 100 megalixers. All that stuff makes game really fun to play

[Anonymous No.10238293]

Which final fantasy tactics romhack is this?

[Anonymous No.10238301]

>>10237943
No, this was your first final fantasy period.

[Anonymous No.10238780]

>>10237943
Being a loner in school, this game was immensely appealing. It's not like Harry Potter where only dogshit people flock to it.

[Anonymous No.10238783]

>>10237943
But which is the breast final fantasy?

[Anonymous No.10238801]

It’s one of the best card games, even comes with a free RPG

[Anonymous No.10238837]

>>10237943
I respect it. It's false and ff7 and ff6 are better but I respect it.

Best OST of all time
best world building
Best system if you include triple triad (to break, materia is better overall)

Worst:
Most meaningless cast outside squall rinoa
Story in general is wack after disc 1

[Anonymous No.10240165]

>>10237943
indeed.

[Anonymous No.10240181]

>>10238783
7

[Anonymous No.10240229]

When I was a kid my dad let me have the day off school. We drove to the city and got only that game. I got Mcdonalds on the way back. I played it the rest of the day. Think I completed the Dollet mission and Quistis shot down the spider before I went to bed. One of the happiest days of my life.
I think FF7 is better though.

[Anonymous No.10240235]

>>10237943
Growing up is realizing that Laguna is the best character in Final Fantasy and possibly video game history. What a beautiful backstory.

[Anonymous No.10240318]

>>10237943
Really? Because I always thought that high school special forces was fucking gay and dumb. Also six party members after part 6 and 7 was a let down.

[Anonymous No.10240330]

>>10240318
You didn't think it was believable that a few 16yo rookies got contracted by large militaries to fight demons and time witches, because they got amnesia. Does it now if make sense you to?

[Anonymous No.10240810]

>>10240330
That's a good point actually, maybe it's not as stupid and gay as I originally thought.

it's far far worse

[Anonymous No.10240814]

[Anonymous No.10240821]

>>10240235
I only played the game in 2020 as an old and Laguna was my favourite part of the game. I read on interviews for the remaster and tons of Laguna flashbacks and story had to be cut for some reason which made me wish they had more time. He even had an unused car in the game data.

[Anonymous No.10241018]

>>10240821
Someone in Square really, really wanted a road trip themed game and only managed to get it 15 years later

[Anonymous No.10241102]

>>10238301
Identical method of all "this final fantasy was the best" theories. Fair enough. Just wait till FFXIII fandom grows up.

[Anonymous No.10241108]

>>10238301
My first FF was Final Fantasy Mystic Quest and then FF2 (US release). FF8 is my favorite.

[Anonymous No.10241147]

>>10240814
He's been at it for weeks

[Anonymous No.10241173]

>>10241147
Try years, unironically.

[Anonymous No.10241189]

>>10238780
This is the formula Atlus really struck gold with in Persona 4. A huge part of its appeal is being a high school anime friend simulator.

[Anonymous No.10241901]

>>10240821
What I love about Laguna's story is how it's the antithesis of a typical RPG protagonist. I played FFVIII back in high school and the Laguna stuff seemed weird and boring to me. Revisiting it as an adult though completely changed my mind. The guy who drifted apart from an old flame, who's life didn't turn out quite like he planned, but found a place to call home and was forced to say a premature goodbye to someone he loved while finding bittersweet joy in the memories? That hits like a fucking truck.

[Anonymous No.10241905]

>>10240181
This is a good answer.

[Anonymous No.10241916]

>>10241901
I remember always liking Laguna more than squall. Squalls kind of trash as a character on comparison.

[Anonymous No.10241978]

>>10241901
I like Laguna in the beginning, but when you step back and think about him near the end he's kind of a shit father. He could have at least sent for his son after he became president of the most powerful country in the world after the rebellion. Maybe Squall still needed to be raised to be a SEED because of time travel/compression/killing the socrcess story stuff, but there's no reason why he shouldn't have had some presence in his son's life. Also they didn't handle them reuniting very well, either, if you ask me near the end. Would have been much more kino if Laguna joined the party, as well.

[Anonymous No.10242012]

>>10241978
He didn't even know Squall existed, Raine never told him she was pregnant.

[Anonymous No.10242042]

>>10240821
>Laguna was my favourite part of the game
He felt like such a cool change. Squall and his gang had that "cool plucky heroes" feel to them, but I loved the weight Laguna and his group had with how their lives turned out and the shit they put up with.
Would've been kino to actually spend a game with them instead of Squall. VIII was still a solid game, but still.

[Anonymous No.10242058]

>>10242012
Can't be. Ellone even knew of Squall, and was in his protection.

[Anonymous No.10242075]

>>10242058
Ellone didn't learn about Squall until she was sent back to Winhill after Laguna saved her from Esthar. Squall wasn't even born yet at the time. He's a shit dad, but he didn't know about Squall.

[Anonymous No.10242112]

>>10240235
>soldier in army
>do some stuff with the boys
>decide to get out of the army
>bad accident, get separated from the boys
>recuperate and one of your boys shows up
>go look for the other guy and your step daughter
>get into trouble in foreign land
>be charismatic and stick up for the little cute orange animal
>damn bro you should lead our revolution
>leads revolution and becomes president
I love VIII and started writing that with the intention of diminishing Laguna, but now that I think about it, you might be right.

[Anonymous No.10242118]

>>10242075
>Ellone didn't learn about Squall until she was sent back to Winhill after Laguna saved her from Esthar
And that's the thing, that's when he should have learned about Squall. Why wouldn't Ellone tell her step father Laguna that she has a half brother living at an orphanage. You have to write some ridiculous reason as to why she wouldn't tell him and he wouldn't find out. At the very least when Ellone, Squall, and Laguna were all united at last there could have been something, but it's more glanced over. But really I feel this is more of a result of cut content.

[Anonymous No.10242129]

>>10240814
>me sitting here enjoying 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 12
I dont understand the appeal to doing this kind of shit.

[Anonymous No.10242141]

>>10242118
>Why wouldn't Ellone tell her step father
How? They weren't in touch, that's the whole reason they got sent to Edea's orphanage.

[Anonymous No.10242149]

>>10242141
Laguna wouldn't just give up Ellone without keeping tabs at her, proven in the game with how he does save her from Edea later on with that ship.

[Anonymous No.10242179]

>>10242149
Okay, but that's exactly what he did. He didn't know about Squall and he didn't even know Raine died, which is why they both got sent to Edea's orphanage.

[Anonymous No.10242185]

The relevant dialogue.

[Anonymous No.10242230]

>>10242185
The president of the most powerful country sends his step daughter away that he just rescued, which is fine the country was just getting out of war, an uprising, and Ellone was a sorceress candidate. Seems reckless sending Ellone away without even a body guard since they knew she was a sorceress candidate. When he rescued Ellone and arranged to send her back home to Winhill to Raine, there would have been communications unless he just shipped her back with no return address. As soon as Ellone got back to Winhill sshe would have discovered Squall. I just don't see how Raine didn't leave him a letter, there wasn't some town record of a child being born, and so much other ways. I don't remember there being motivation for Raine to hide it since they were in love and he just literally saved Ellone.

[Anonymous No.10242239]

>>10242230
You can argue how smart or stupid it is all you want, all I'm telling you is that's how it happened. There were no communications, read the fucking dialogue.

[Anonymous No.10242252]

>>10242239
Well the point of this whole reply chain is about him not being there for his son. It's fine that you set the record straight on exactly why, and I'm telling you why it's still poorly handled even with all of that accounted for. If you were just here for pedantry, then okay.

[Anonymous No.10242280]

>>10242252
There's nothing insignificant about the entire basis of your entire argument. You can call him a bad dad for how he treated Ellone or a bad husband for how he deserted Raine, but you called him a bad dad for deserting a son that he didn't know existed.

[Anonymous No.10243161]

>>10237943
correct
FF8 is the king of JRPGs, no other game has been able to surpass it yet. It's been 24 years

[Anonymous No.10243252]

>>10238216
The thing is, people talk about VIII like it's hopelessly broken right out of the gate but unless you really, really go out of your way to do some autistic shit like getting Lionheart in disk 1 you mostly break it gradually as part of the natural progression. Ultima is broken as a junction but it's also not just laying around everywhere. Aura is broken but same thing, you don't get a ton of it until late in the game.

Card modding is probably *the* most broken mechanic because high-level cards give you crazy items and often in large quantities but again, the prerequisites are having learned card and then card mod, having found the GF that has the ability to convert the items into magic, and having found the card itself. Yeah, 100 megalixers is basically cheat code but you only get the Bahamut card by beating , Bahamut, which means you have to go all the way through the deep sea research facility. So you can break the game with but only after you've beaten arguably the hardest part. I don't see how this is worse than just grinding until you're overleveled like you would in a more conventional FF game. I'd rather use the game mechanics intelligently than just brute force my way to victory by accruing exp.

[Anonymous No.10243258]

>>10242129
>and 12

[Anonymous No.10243273]

>>10243252
Even junctioning 100 waters to your attack, something you can do as soon as you get Ice Magic Refine as you'll almost certainly have fish fins which are 20 waters each, completely breaks the early game apart.

[Anonymous No.10243297]

>>10242112
You completely missed the parts where he inspires a singer to make her hit song that propels her to stardom before he is sent off to war never to be seen again, then after his injury he meets and falls in love with Raine in the forgotten town of flowers, adopts an orphan who loves him so much she uses world-bending powers to try to change the past, and to rescue this orphan he defeats a terrible sorceress on the verge of world domination and imprisons her in space. And I can't forget, along the way he gets a starring role in a movie that inspires a generation as a cult classic and crashes an ancient doomsday relic into the ocean.
Honestly I'm not doing it justice; hearing about it is one thing, seeing Laguna goof his way into greatness is another.
Oh, and finally, with Raine he father's Squall, a child of fate who saves the world.

I wish they weren't forced to cut the Laguna content when they made FF8. The game was 4 discs and loaded. It could have spanned 7 discs if they could've completed their original vision.

[Anonymous No.10243301]

>>10242185
The real crime of this dialogue was that it was introduced late in development to resolve the rest of the planned Laguna flashbacks. We were supposed to play through these bits and more.

[Anonymous No.10243396]

>>10243273
Atk, really? I junction them to HP and then spam limit breaks.
Anyway, the average player won't "certainly have fish fins" early game, unless they're running around on that beach outside balamb which there is literally no reason to do. And honestly your average player won't even get refine abilities or use them until way later, if ever. Let's be real.

[Anonymous No.10243409]

>>10243273
The average player won't "certainly have fish fins" early game, unless they're running around on that beach outside Balamb which there is literally no reason to do. And honestly your average player probably won't even learn Refine abilities until way later too.

[Anonymous No.10243534]

>>10237943
So with only 2 common household cleaners, you can create a magic potion

[Anonymous No.10243607]

>>10243409
>unless they're running around on that beach outside Balamb which there is literally no reason to do.
Exploration? You're playing a game where every monster can give you different magic, wouldn't you want to go see what kind of monsters there are around?

[Anonymous No.10244269]

Nooooo we need to interrupt this assassination to make a lame-ass apology to someone irrelevant. No it can't wait until tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.10244363]

>>10243273
Yes but at that point in the game you won't have str-J for every character. And you would have had to deliberately learn Ice-Mag rf instead of the default abilities the GFs are set to learn. And you would have had to go out of your way to fight fastilocalons on the beach.

And even if you do all that and Junction 100 waters to STR early game that just makes you strong enough to pwn regular enemies during random encounters. You're not just plowing through the Elvorlet and X-ATM fights like you have a win button or something. It makes those fights more manageable, sure. But if doing everything possible to minmax your character in the early game thanks to an encyclopedic knowledge of the mechanics makes boss fights slightly easier, I'm not sure that's indicative of a hopelessly broken game. In a normal JRPG if you ground out a bunch of levels before the boss fights they would be slightly easier, too. This is just an alternative to grinding. FF8's level scaling makes leveling up less impactful and the junction system is what allows you to outpace the level scaling. You're *supposed* to be finding combinations that bump your stats up considerably. Congratulations on figuring out how to play the game correctly.

[Anonymous No.10244364]

>>10243258
Do people really hate on XII? It’s one of my favorites because it’s Final Fantasy meets Star Wars/Dune.

[Anonymous No.10244378]

>>10244364
>Do people really hate on XII?

[Anonymous No.10244537]

>>10243409
The original criticism of FF8 was that level scaling had made the game too hard and confused the average player on why when they tried to level up to be strong enough to defeat something they weren't actually getting stronger.
It's crazy that this argument has now evolved to be the other direction; that the average player will now break the game and make it too easy without even trying.

[Anonymous No.10244565]

>>10244537
You're attributing everything you read to one person, it's a bad habit of 4channel posters. And in this whole reply chain the only person who ever said anything about the brokenness of FF8's effect on the game's quality was the first guy who said it made the game better to him, so there's no criticism happening here either.

[Anonymous No.10244626]

>>10244565
What I find really hilarious is how square rendered this all completely moot when they remastered the games and introduced a god mode cheat as a default feature. They literally gave people a win button because apparently even the "broken" game was too hard for zoomers

[Anonymous No.10244642]

>>10244626
Baten Kaitos's remaster just released today and it has a literal auto-win button in battles you can use to just kill enemies outright. Developers have no faith that their old games can stand on their own.

[Anonymous No.10245123]

>>10244642

[Anonymous No.10246316]

>>10241108
figures you'd have developed a taste for shit if you cut your teeth on it

[Anonymous No.10246334]

>>10241018
I was imagining Laguna, Wart and Kiros going on a Lupin III style treasure hunt / adventure in that thing than a roadtrip