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Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis. Holy fuck this is terrible. How could they screw up a port so badly. The games laggy as crap, the jumping, oh god the jumping, and the music has been downgraded, they litterally used the GameGear's sound effects when hitting Dr. Robotnik..

How did this even squeeze by Sonic Teams quality control.

>> No.1022965

>>1022961
>Sonic Teams quality control

That's a good one

>> No.1022967
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1022967

>>1022961
>Sonic Team
>quality control
you got me

>> No.1022972

It really took some talent to fuck up a port on a more powerful system.

>> No.1022975

>>1022972
Apparently 2006 was not a good year for Sonic.

>> No.1022981

>>1022975
Yeah apparently both Sonic the hedgehog Genesis and Sonic the Hedgehog came out on the same exact day.

But seriously this had to be the worst thing ever created. I mean fuck, recycling Game Gear sound effects? Thats just plain terrible. And that slowdown, not to mention the screen gets all buggy when you attemp to move.

>> No.1023000

Stealth created a perfect port of GHZ for a hacking contest that also included Tails and Knuckles by using a decompiler and porting it.

>> No.1023615

>>1022972

It's not actually a port. The original source code of Sonic the Hedgehog is lost, so they had to build this game from the ground up. They just completely fucked up everything.

>> No.1023618

>>1023615
>The original source code of Sonic the Hedgehog is lost
They lost that TOO?!
You know that Panzer Dragoon Saga is lost too?

>> No.1023625

>>1023618
Kingdom Hearts is also lost.

>> No.1023630

>>1022981
Don't forget that some random guy outdid them in a few weeks of work. Remade GHZ on a GBA so it wouldn't lag, had better music and sound effects, and added not only the spindash/spike glitch fix but also the ability to play as tails or knuckles.

It really demonstrates how much they didn't try with Sonic Genesis, or were rushed or something. How anyone could blunder that hard is difficult to comprehend.

>> No.1023637

>>1022972
More powerful the GBA may be, but the Genesis outputted a resolution of 320x224 while the GBA is stuck at 240x160.

I don't see how a good port could ever have been done.

>> No.1023646

>>1022961
This game is your reminder that Sega is owned by a Pachinko company that is only interested in a quick buck and doesn't give half a shit about quality control.

>> No.1023645

>>1023625
No one relevant gives a fuck about Kingdom Hearts.

>> No.1023647

>>1022961
They didn't had the source code.

>> No.1023652

>>1023646
>Sega
>Quality Control
>any system post-Megadrive

top lel

>> No.1023654

>>1023652
>post Model 1 Megadrive
Fixed.

>> No.1023661

Reminder that the Sonic classic collection on DS is literally a homebrew Genesis emulator that Sega paid to use running Sonic ROMs.

And it runs about as well as a homebrew emulator.

>> No.1023671

>>1023661
Because Sega can't code or port their own games for shit so they get other people to do it for them. Just like all those Genesis clones with their name on it with horrible emulation.

>> No.1023672

People are still impressed most GBA ports are bad?

>> No.1023689

The physics issues are the engines fault. They used the Advance engine iirc

>> No.1023731

>>1023654
Comix Zone and Vectorman would have a word with you.

>> No.1023742

GBA is not retro

>> No.1023753

>>1023637
The final fight port was awesome.

>> No.1023792

>>1023615
>>1023618
>>1023625
Someone needs to go to japan and remind these people to making fucking back ups of source codes.

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1023815

>>1023792
Remember that losing the source code is apparently why we never got this?

>> No.1023823

>>1023815
I would have fucking bought that too.

>> No.1023856

>>1023815
I just don't understand how you lose the source code on a game you are currently working on.
I mean I get it for something like sims 2 where the everything caught on fire but still.

>> No.1024224

>>1022961
>sonic team
>quality control
pick one

>> No.1024245

Man that's one disappointing 15th anniversary celebration

>> No.1024286

>>1023654
> post early Model 1 Megadrive

Fixed.

>> No.1024296

>>1023689
This. The game runs off of the advance engine, which is essentially built to handle less enemies and moving objects and more momentum. Sonic 1 has lots of enemies and moving objects compared to Sonic Advance, and it has issues rendering everything going on, so the lag happens. Also, Sonic 1 is more platforming based and less speed based, so that's why the Advance engine fucks up the momentum.

>> No.1024297

>>1024286
>post non-TMSS Model 1 Megadrive

Fixed.

>> No.1024314

>>1024297
Thanks.

>> No.1024315

>>1023645
>Nobody gives a fuck about one of the most well-received, best-selling, and top-rated games of the entire PS2 era
Whatever you say, bro.

>> No.1024323

>>1024315
>most well-received, best-selling, and top-rated games of the entire
See: Gone Home, Bioshock Infinite, The Last of Us, Fez

They all fit that criteria and they're still shit.

>> No.1024330

So you're a speshul shnowflake who hates things for being popular and pushes that around without any elaboration on why. Got it.

>> No.1024357

>>1024330
I don't think you understand what the OP is referring to.

>> No.1024375

I find it weird that they had to port it at all. All genesis Sonic games are rerererererereleased every year, on every available console and format. What was the point of making a new one?

>> No.1024402

>>1024357
To be fair, the game is titled "Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis". I can see why someone who somehow missed the whole debacle could get confused.

>> No.1024417

>>1024323
He wasn't talking about the quality of the games though, he was talking about their reception.

No matter what you think about kingdom hearts, people definitely give a shit about it.

>> No.1024436

>>1024375
At the time it was the first handheld port. No I don't count the J2ME port.

>> No.1024457

>>1023792
Not only do they love losing source code but they also seem to hate the idea of open source code.

>> No.1024481

>>1023625
>>1023618
>>1023618

The House of the Dead 1 source code is ALSO missing.

>> No.1024501

>>1023792
I don't remember the exact story, but a SE employee working on localizing the final fantasy games basically did that, after learning that they didn't bother to archive any of their work. Ever wonder why they haven't released an HD version of FF 7-9? They would have to remake the entire game from nothing.

>> No.1024528

>>1024481
This is really infuriating. Someone really needs to slap the idea of backing up source codes into game developers

>> No.1024548

>>1024528

I read someplace that entire computers with backups just go missing when moving offices and such. That, or they vanish from vaults.

>> No.1024593

>>1024548
It has to be time travelers.
Someone is going in to the past to retrieve lost source codes accidentally causing the source codes to be lost in the 1st place.

>> No.1024597

>>1023637
All of the snes nintendo ports were worse than the originals, but they were bearable. This is just... terrible.

>> No.1024601

>>1024548
There was a picture somewhere of a warehouse they moved/shuffled around, basically gigantic stacks of GDR Dreamcast betas. And by huge stacks I mean thousands.

>> No.1024613

>>1023661
They say it is Kega Fusion, but we probably will never know.

>> No.1024641

>>1023792
Not only that, but also keep the source for FMVs and pre-rendered backgrounds.

>> No.1024690

>>1024613
Kega Fusion came out years later.

They did however use KGen (predecessor to Kega) in one of the PC Smash Packs released in the late 90s.

Then they wanted the author to write a DC emu for another compilation, with a deadline of like 3 weeks, which was impossible. They ended up getting another guy to do a MD emu for the DC (it ran like shit), and the guy explicitly left instructions for hacking groups on how to load any rom on the emulator.

>> No.1024717

>>1024690
>They did however use KGen (predecessor to Kega) in one of the PC Smash Packs released in the late 90s.

What, the one where they accidentally managed to put a previously-undumped Revenge of Shinobi ROM onto the disc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxZGkN7oL4g

>> No.1024879

>>1024330
He didn't say he hated em because they were popular. He said that they were popular but sitll happened to be shit.

And this is true with Kingdom Hearts. For hardcore Disney and FF VII/VIII fans its the best thing since sliced bread, but some people see past the web of deception, this fan service they call Kingdom Hearts.

>> No.1024896

>>1024879
I liked the 1st KH. Then it became a convoluted mess quickly.

>> No.1024908

>>1023856
Sega lost a lot of shit due to piss poor management and non-stop reorganizations.

However you can always have accidents. One of the Saturn games, I think Magic Knight Rayearth by Working Designs, took like 3 years to localize into English because they lost the sourcecode in a HDD crash and had to re-do the entire game.

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1024915

>>1024417
>No matter what you think about kingdom hearts, people definitely give a shit about it.

The original quote was
>No one relevant gives a fuck about Kingdom Hearts.

And yes, that includes much of the yes-man industry as well that closet faggot Nomura.

>> No.1024923

>>1024908
I understand accidents happen but it seems to be or has been a common problem.

>> No.1024920

>>1024896
Yeah like making Sephiroth a secret boss and calling Squall Leon because thats so edgy.

>> No.1024935

>>1024920
Yeah i never got the squall being called leon thing. Then again i just wanted to hit things with a giant key. It's been forever since I played it so i don't know how well its held up.

>> No.1024974

>>1024915
I dont know how anyone could actually think all those belts and straps were cool. We always made fun of kids who wore "goth pants" when I was in school.

>> No.1024982
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1024982

>>1024974
You mean you don't like the dress made entirely of belts?
It is pretty silly.

>> No.1024984

>>1024982
holy shit no wonder all the loners go so crazy for that goofy shit

>> No.1024992

>>1024974
The goth kids obviously like them. And there are more perceptions of clothing than "cool". Sometimes something is just mentally comfortable in a way that you can't really explain. What's cool or fashionably acceptable changes from generation to generation and is entirely subjective to the beholder. You should be more humble about how your younger self was too quick to judge people.

>> No.1025002

>>1024992
I judge whoever the fuck I want, and I am making a conclusion that since that person wears heavy baggy stupid fucking pants its that they enjoy making their own lives more difficult. If thats one thing they do to themselves there are probably more which means they are all attention starved loners and there isn't a single one I would like to meet the end. Same goes for popular people too they wear stupid shit because its trendy and they think people will like them for it, fuck them too. I judge whoever I want nigguh.

>> No.1025006

>>1024992
>Heavy fucking baggy pants = comfortable

and you see this is why I don't take them seriously

>> No.1025012

>>1025006
>I can't read

>> No.1025024

>>1024982
No but I like those legs

>> No.1025026

>>1025006
Their more comfortable then the normal tight ass pants I see teens wearing.
I like baggier pants because I overheat in the summer with others,and their the only pants I can find that have big enough pockets to fit my camera or phone in.

>> No.1025062

>>1023000
i played stealth's port after reading this thread and it was pretty neat.

>> No.1025080

>>1025012
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>> No.1025237

>>1023792
I don't know about programming, but can't you just disassemble, dismount, or do anything like that to compiled programs?

>> No.1027563

>>1024593
Pure fucking genius.

>> No.1027565

>>1023661
The thing is, they didn't even pay for it, nor did they ask the developer.