/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10222692]

Post the best of seething about 2D games.
https://archive.org/details/playstation-pro-issue-16/page/35/mode/1up

[Anonymous No.10222701]

You just HAD to be there to understand how people felt about 2D games in the late 90s. It isn't seething, it's more like "Ok but we want 3D now", after having lived in a world of only 2D forever.

[Anonymous No.10222749]

>>10222692
Well, he was right. Further console Castlevanias were all 3d.

[Anonymous No.10222756]

[Anonymous No.10223457]

>>10222692
>>10222756
>global rule 2

[Anonymous No.10224603]

>>10222692
every videogame magazine after 1995 or at least european ones

[Anonymous No.10224782]

>>10222692
People still lash out over games with pixel art being sold for anything more than $20 because they're somatotropin-deficient. Nevermind pixel art largely died out because of how ridiculously slow and time-consuming it is.

[Anonymous No.10225589]

>>10222701
Not really. Sure 3D was exciting but only someone whose mom did meth while pregnant actually thought that 3D was better. Just the framerate of 3D games alone was a serious issue for a lot of platformers.

[Anonymous No.10225630]

>>10222701
I was there, I still loved 2D games. But when I saw Mario in 3D I really believed the future was going to be bright
How wrong I was

[Anonymous No.10225663]

>>10222701
I was there, and while 3D was cool, I never grew tired of 2D and would continue to buy games for older consoles. Probably has something to do with being a late 80s born who grew up with the NES and SNES side by side, meaning I never really had the feeling of "out with the old, in with the new" when it came to gaming. Hell, I was actively involved in retro gaming communities and buying old games on ebay by the time I was like 13 or 14.

[Anonymous No.10225753]

>>10225589
T. Wasnt there

[Anonymous No.10225780]

>>10225630
>How wrong I was
Oh shut up, you cynic. You probably haven't had a good meal in your life either. Fuckin' baby.

[Anonymous No.10225786]

>>10225589
>Not really.
You're just wrong. 3D was a whole new world and for awhile we all thought (wanted?) 2D to be done for good.

[Anonymous No.10225796]

>>10222692
That's not seething, that's just the glassy-eyed optimism of late 90's 3D technology enthusiasts. Almost everyone was like that. All 5th gen consoles promoted 3D graphics like it was the hip new thing and like 2D games were old, outdated, and for kids. After having lived through both periods, I think both are acceptable. Art style is really what it comes down to.

[Anonymous No.10225826]

>>10225786
No we didn't. Any game that could be played with 2D graphics was better in 2D.

[Anonymous No.10225962]

>>10225663
Similar for me, though different circumstances. My early gaming was strictly PC and LCD games and the occasional arcade machines when i was at a place that had them. While i still have an incredible fondness for both computer games up until the mid 2000s and LCD stuff, I was always super envious of my cousins and early childhood friends who had consoles like the nes, genesis and snes. When i finally started collecting stuff, it was like a floodgate opening for me. Didn't matter if it was Atari or the Playstation. Every platform was a new universe of games for me and i wanted to play everything of interest on them. 2D vs 3D was never a factor for me, it was just a different experience to play through. Console war shit never effected me either due to this and i never really developed a bias back then against any particular hardware or company.

[Anonymous No.10225976]

>>10222701
2600 was my first console and I had no issues with GTA Xmen Vs Street fighter, Mischief Makers at the time.

[Anonymous No.10225981]

>>10222692
Reinhardtchads...we won

[Anonymous No.10226076]

>>10225962
>i never really developed a bias back then against any particular hardware or company
Yeah, it was always fun to go over to a Genesis kid's house and get to play stuff like Dick Tracy, Vectorman, Sonic, etc. Despite being a Nintendo kid, I remember being amused/confused by a middle school classmate who was such a diehard Nintendo fan that he apparently refused to play games for non-Nintendo consoles (he later softened this stance).

[Anonymous No.10226101]

>>10222749
They weren't, though. You had Chronicles, Adventure Rebirth, Harmony of Despair.
>>10224782
There's a difference between good looking pixel art and the ubiquitous indie pixelshit trendy genre bandwagoner games.

[Anonymous No.10226114]

>>10222692
People are still like this. I know a few who refuse to play anything that's more than a decade old because "it's obsolete"

[Anonymous No.10226198]

>>10222692
I don't remember anyone being mad about 2D games, but the general attitude was like "we did that already". 3D was new and had all these exciting possibilities (at the time).

[Anonymous No.10226485]

>>10226101
>There's a difference between good looking pixel art and the ubiquitous indie pixelshit trendy genre bandwagoner games.
I saw such bitching about Blasphemous II and Octopath Traveler both of which have great pixel art

[Anonymous No.10226552]

>>10225826
except that 3D allowed for new games not possible before just look at stuff like ridge racer, panzer dragoon, mario 64, etc
It may not have had the same finesse as high quality 2D art, but it was an experience not possible in 2D.
After playing nothing but 2D up to that point, the change to 3D was very welcomed.

These days 3D is no longer new and shiny, so people care much less.

>But I still played mostly 2D games on my Playstation!!!!!
You are the exception, not the rule

>But we all played MvC!!!
One 2D game out of howmany?

[Anonymous No.10226563]

>>10225976
There is a difference between "okay, we want to do 3D now" and "Nooo, old 2D crap is for boomers"

Most people were in the first category, cool new shit to play (while still apreciating 2D)

[Anonymous No.10226569]

people don't shit on the 5th gen enough for COMPLETELY killing off 2D gaming outside of handheld and indieslop. but no...everything in the world is the 7th gen's fault.

[Anonymous No.10226570]

>>10225589
This is absolutely not true at all. 3D consoles blew people away. My dad didn't once watch me play Super Mario World but when they got me an N64 he not only sat there and watched me play it but actually played it himself and talked about how we'll probably have virtual reality in 10 years (lol). People were gneuinely impressed by 3D games and once it hit everyone's main criticism of other games released after that was asking why they weren't in 3D - even mega popular ones like Diablo 2. It was less impressive from a technical standpoint but Xbox and PlayStation 2 further cemented 3D's supremacy, everyone in my class had Halo and we were amazed Final Fantasy 10 already looked better than the movie that has just come out.

It wasn't until the 3D stall in the early 10s and the rise of indies on Steam that people started to not care about graphics anymore.

[Anonymous No.10226574]

>>10225796
it's a shame because 2D was perfected by the 5th gen. had the 5th gen remained purely 2D it would've been better than the 4th gen...but instead we got 3D slop which was a clunky mess until the early 7th gen.

5th gen should've remained 2D and the 7th gen should've remained SD.

[Anonymous No.10226584]

>>10226569
>>10226574
Now this is some seething right there, completely ignoring that 2D design hit a roadblock in new possibilities while 3D opened up new paths.
And 2D was never killed off, more like sidelined for a while.

[Anonymous No.10226587]

>>10222692
Pretty much the entire run of Next Generation was grousing about 2D.

[Anonymous No.10226596]

>>10226584
except 3D started way too early. 3D gaming should've started with the 6th gen and HD gaming with the 8th gen. all the early 3D games had clunky controls, ugly graphics (in spite of great aesthetics), and ran at 10fps at 240p. all the great 5th gen games were great in SPITE of being 3D. fuck the industry for trying shit out before they're ready. now they're doing the same thing with the 9th gen and "4K 120fps gaming"

[Anonymous No.10226618]

>>10226596
They weren't early. The clunky shit you describe was the SuperFX kind of stuff.

>all the early 3D games had clunky controls, ugly graphics (in spite of great aesthetics), and ran at 10fps at 240p.
Okay so you don't like it and even feel like seething over it.

[Anonymous No.10226708]

>>10226596
lol pls, just go to /v/

[Anonymous No.10226838]

>>10224782
>pixel art largely died out because of how ridiculously slow and time-consuming it is
That's more a thing to deal with animation frames and "bits". You can compare an NES game with 3 walking frames vs. a PS1 game with 5 frames for standing still. In the 3D realm, you can compare how much easier it is too make 3D, N64-tier polygons compared to 2D fighting games and PS1-tier 2D and our modern giga HD 3D with 300 polygons used to simulate blinking.

[Anonymous No.10227195]

>>10226838
Low poly is even more of a lost art than good pixel art. Modern tools aren't designed for it, and modern techniques are actively harmful to it. "Good topology" is a luxury you can't afford when every triangle counts.

[Anonymous No.10228282]

>>10222692
not everything is "seething"

[Anonymous No.10228285]

>>10222701
this

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[Anonymous No.10228581]

>>10222701
thank god I wasn't a retard
this mentality is on par with console war shit

[Anonymous No.10228764]

>>10222701
As a kid in the 90s, I don't think I actually really cared about 2d vs 3d, fun games were just fun games. I mean, Pokemon was a largely 2d franchise and it was probably the most successful franchise of the 90s PERIOD.

[Anonymous No.10229601]

>>10225780
so you think games haven't gone to shit?

[Anonymous No.10229697]

>>10222701
Yeah, it was pretty bad. It seemed to be the worst in UK magazines.

[Anonymous No.10229704]

>>10229697

[Anonymous No.10229719]

>>10229704

[Anonymous No.10229721]

>>10229719

[Anonymous No.10229741]

>>10229697
video game magazines sucked ass

[Anonymous No.10229749]

>>10229741
Yeah, they do.
There was a period of time in the early to mid 90s where they were pretty awesome, though.

[Anonymous No.10229751]

>>10226114
Even some /vr/ posters are like this. There are now people on this board who claim the NES is outdated garbage

[Anonymous No.10229757]

There's one guy that keeps samefagging for 3D I swear. I don't even care for the debate, it's just funny watching him seethe in denial.

[Anonymous No.10229823]

>>10225589
I never even heard about framerates until 6th gen unless it was in a magazine which you just dismissed as fucking nerd speak