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[Anonymous No.10219162]

In my restless dreams, I see that thread.
Silent Hill

[Anonymous No.10219175]

>>10219162
Wonder if remake is gonna be any good

[Anonymous No.10219178]

>>10219175
>Bloober Team
No, play the original instead.

SH1 NTSC DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk

SH2 DDL:
https://mega.nz/file/v051yYiJ#uhPrTo7YtB6KUodji5G9KSbVCOoVG-ACUVsljj1ezOw (Fully Extracted version)

>SH2:EE project's home page:
http://www.enhanced.townofsilenthill.com/SH2/

SH3 DDL:
https://mega.nz/file/ytBGFa4D#UDInLgWTv2Xx-6k6OadS2hDcPbApHMxj07Aiw1jS2bc (Fully Extracted version)

SH4 DDL (Also available on GOG):
https://mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc

Virtual disc app is no longer needed because the SH2&3 are now fully extracted!
Don't install under C:\Program Files\ ! This will cause issues.


For SH2, just download the Enhanced Edition mod's installer, and run it. It's that easy now!
The "Enhanced .EXE" is also the no-CD crack.

SH3 & 4 don't really need much fixes, per se, but do check the Guide and the PC Gaming Wiki for some neat tweaks.
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.
I recommend the DuckStation, but most emulators work OK as well.

>Protips
-Play in the release order.
-Start with Normal difficulty! Don't do hard on 1st run (espec. SH2).
-Replaying them all is recommended; tons of replay value.
-Turn down the ingame Brightness setting, for better gamma & colors!
-Leg it, or sneak! No need to kill everything.
-Turning OFF the flashlight can really help w/ stealth!

Reference Guide:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=488899

PS2 Emulation:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=41885960&postcount=82

Silent Hill HD Collection (Twin Perfect Review):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wya4XhTPMcc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYkNUyBhS4

[Anonymous No.10219258]

>>10219178
>pc versions

[Anonymous No.10219273]

>>10219175
Remakes are never good

[Anonymous No.10219280]

>>10219178
Nice anon.

Thread theme:

https://youtu.be/TQs2svOTiaQ?si=cduvUPDfom-bkuv-

[Anonymous No.10219337]

>>10219175
I won't lie here gameplay and combat wise it could and likely will be. Everything else though is going to be a downgrade. Yes even including the visuals. I don't expect them to do a great job on that despite the obvious polygon upgrade they have at their disposal compared to 2002. There is no way they will match the atmosphere of the original in the visuals the trailer they put out already proved that.

[Anonymous No.10219489]

>>10219175
I'll tell you what's going to happen, the game will be identical to SH2 in nearly every department but people will find a way to bitch about it and hyper fixate on it's inevitable flaws which SH2 also suffers from but people gave a pass back then cause it's SUCH A MASTERPIECE.
tldr : SH2 cultists are clueless retards, we'll let time judge the truth of my words.

[Anonymous No.10219520]

[Anonymous No.10219912]

>>10219258
The PC versions are good now.

[Anonymous No.10219946]

>>10219258
I love playing on my PS2 but the PC port sold on GOG seemed fine. Bar the missing hauntings, its perfect for playing on x86 handhelds.

[Anonymous No.10219957]

>>10219178
One of these days I hope they release all 4 games on 1 Switch cart or something like that. I'll keep it with me for the rest of my life. Just want all of my favorite games to be readily available without any patches and all that shit. Last time I replayed 3 on PC I could barely make my controller work with it and even then it wasn't perfect

[Anonymous No.10219962]

>>10219178
>Don't do hard on 1st run (espec. SH2)
Why? SH2 is ez pz

[Anonymous No.10220007]

>>10219962
Its probably to make it as welcoming as possible to newcomers reading the guide. Plus with SH2 in particular, just clearing the game once on normal will unlock a chainsaw to make your hard modo run that much easier.

[Anonymous No.10220038]

>>10219273
Resident Evil 2/4 remakes were good

[Anonymous No.10220045]

>>10219178
I just play on me PS2 with me original discs on a CRT.
Simple as.

[Anonymous No.10220058]

>>10219178
disregard this wall of garbage, this is the factual guide

[Anonymous No.10220068]

>>10219962
>>10220007
SH2 hard mode is infamous fpr being bugged, it's not impossible but unless you know the necessary exploits it will genuinely feel impossible.

[Anonymous No.10220114]

>>10219175
I hope it's commonly seen as good and seen as a gold standard for remakes.
SH2fags completely ruined the "SH community" several times over. They deserve a taste of their own medicine.

[Anonymous No.10220118]

>>10220058
It's a 3D game. Muh scanline thickness does not apply here

[Anonymous No.10220128]

>>10220058
It's a 3D game. Muh scanline thickness does not apply here
>>10220114
How is it "SH2fags" fault? The original creator basically gave away he had no idea wtf he was doing with the series. Part of the reason most people like the game is because they read their own nonsense into the series

[Anonymous No.10220157]

>>10220128
>How is it "SH2fags" fault? The original creator basically gave away he had no idea wtf he was doing with the series. Part of the reason most people like the game is because they read their own nonsense into the series
I was actually there, and you want to know the types of people responsible for every bit of drama or retarded fan theory making the rounds? Some fuckhead with "Sunderland" in their username or a pfp of pyramid head, typically trying to make a theory that puts their chosen game as the center of the universe, or projecting some deep insecurity they have onto everything.
It was a big joke when Downpour was in production and the devs constantly talked about SH2.

[Anonymous No.10220158]

>>10219175
It's gonna be GOTY of all years

[Anonymous No.10220162]

>>10220114
You're assuming the "SH2fags" are actual SH2fags, which they're not. Genuinely I think it was the 2006 film that made the fanbase such shit. Normalfags saw the film and assumed the series in itself was just a schlocky but imaginitive horror story but when finally doing some actual research into the series (meaning watching a SH2 lets play) they become amazed by the fact that SH2 actually has anything resembling a semblence substance unlike the film and jerk it off. The film is the second worst thing to happen to this series, only thing worse was being owned by Konami after they became pants on head retarded in the early 2000s.

[Anonymous No.10220169]

>>10220162
>You're assuming the "SH2fags" are actual SH2fags, which they're not.
Don't try to pin this shit on other groups.
What part of the SH community was obsessed with "muh inner demons"?
What game concentrates the highest amount of pseudo intellectuals? The type of people who wrote off the games featuring the cult?
The film skewed the public perception of the franchise, but that has fucking nothing to do with actual discussion of the games.

[Anonymous No.10220174]

>>10220157
I'm sorry you had some shitty experiences with Undertale tier fans. Would you hate SH2 less if they had dropped the 2 and considered it a side story instead?

[Anonymous No.10220175]

>>10220174
I don't hate SH2, I just hate the fans. They absolutely deserve this remake, and I hope it gets absurd amounts of praise.

[Anonymous No.10220181]

>>10220114
I just think the SH2 remake will just be the same as the recent REmakes, just with worse optimization due to using Unreal Engine 5.
It'll be mostly similar but different to the originals with cut content in some aspects. To compensate for the fact that there's a third person camera angle and the player can freely aim everywhere, enemies will turn into massive damage sponges. There's probably going to be shoe-horned "moral choices" to compensate for the fact that the devs probably have no clue how to implement SH2's multiple endings. And every time James misses a shot he'll probably say something like "DAMN" or "FUCK" and never shut up just like the REmakes.

[Anonymous No.10220182]

>>10220162
>Normalfags saw the film and assumed the series in itself was just a schlocky but imaginitive horror story
But that's exactly what it is.

[Anonymous No.10220185]

Niggers no one gives a fuck about Silent Hill in this day and age. You can chill with that
>muh SH2fags
>muh normalfag secondaries who watched the film
bullshit. It's just the fans now. SH is not relevant enough for people to pretend to be fans of it. All people who say SH2 is their favorite have also played the other entries, it's just that it resonates with them the most. Just like some Zelda fans who GENUINELY like OoT the most. You can also look at the sales of the series, it was relatively niche even when it wasn't dead. I honestly don't understand why they are suddenly trying to milk it now

[Anonymous No.10220187]

>>10220181
>It'll be mostly similar but different to the originals with cut content in some aspects.
I honestly doubt it based on the ethos of the two other notable Konami remakes, those being Zone of the Enders 2 MARS and the upcoming Metal Gear Solid Delta. Those are pretty faithful contentwise (ZoE2 honestly straight up looks the same as the PS2 version at times).
The biggest changes will probably be related to what Masahiro Ito and Akira Yamaoka would want to change, so maybe a bit of additional narrative, some updated creature and character designs (as has already been seen), and new/remixed compositions.
>To compensate for the fact that there's a third person camera angle and the player can freely aim everywhere, enemies will turn into massive damage sponges.
That's already describing SH2 lol.
> There's probably going to be shoe-horned "moral choices" to compensate for the fact that the devs probably have no clue how to implement SH2's multiple endings.
SH2's ending system is not that intricate. It's just a basic series of triggers based on player choices, essentially no different from the UFO Ending of 1. Look at the knife and listen to conversations with/about Mary, and you kill yourself. Protect Maria, you leave with Maria. Just sort of play the game casually like a normal person, you get Leave.

[Anonymous No.10220190]

>>10220175
The sad part is that will probably eat that slop up, since only complete retards and people who don't actually like video games (v, r/games, etc.) enjoy remakes

[Anonymous No.10220191]

>>10220185
>bullshit. It's just the fans now. SH is not relevant enough for people to pretend to be fans of it. All people who say SH2 is their favorite have also played the other entries, it's just that it resonates with them the most.
You're genuinely retarded if you think that.
Silent Hill, and mainly 2, has lived on through ecelebs. The same way that, overnight, suddenly a bunch of dogshit N64 games became the favourites of children on forums everywhere.

[Anonymous No.10220193]

>>10220182
>"thing I like is...actually not good!"
I don't know why retards take on such a pessimistic view of stuff but its fucking annoying.

[Anonymous No.10220202]

>>10220193
I never said it wasn't good. There's absolutely nothing wrong with being a schlocky and imaginative horror story. A bunch of authors and film directors have built very successful careers on that basis.
Trying to pretend Silent Hill was ever anything more than that is where the faggotry starts and eventually ends up with autistic meltdowns over circumcision and refrigerator cords.

[Anonymous No.10220212]

>>10220128
>It's a 3D game. Muh scanline thickness does not apply here
early 3D games benefit the most from a CRT, retard
>scanlines
way to out yourself as not knowing what you're talking about

[Anonymous No.10220231]

>>10220202
It's not though. The dev team obviously meant for the games to be taken as genuinely as possible, even if they're terrible at this at times. There is nothing schlocky about the original series of games, even as stupid as SH4 is there's a clear artistic vision that is both memorable and distinct. The art design of the first four games alone is more powerful then a number of narrative driven games, the actual experience of the games is amazing. Nothing about these games was or is intended to feel cheap or tongue in cheek. Is it Shakespeare? Of course not, but trying to dismiss any kind of critical thinking or interpretations about the series because some people are pretentious is just juvenile.

[Anonymous No.10220256]

>>10220212
>early 3D games benefit the most from a CRT, retard
Silent Hill 2 wan't an early 3D game
>way to out yourself as not knowing what you're talking about
That's all I've read about when it comes to 2D games specifically. Is it not true that most (if not all) of these games were designed around old CRTs having scanlines? That's why a lot of detail is lost when you play on a flat screen television or monitor. Something that should have little to no effect on 3D games

[Anonymous No.10220264]

>>10219946
>playing SH on a handheld
Every time I come here it gets worse and worse

[Anonymous No.10220269]

>>10220212
>early 3D games benefit the most from a CRT, retard
Silent Hill 2 wasn't an early 3D game
>way to out yourself as not knowing what you're talking about
That's all I've read about when it comes to 2D games specifically. Is it not true that most (if not all) of those games were designed around old CRTs having scanlines? Isn't that why a lot of detail is lost when you play on a flat screen television or monitor? If so, then why would it have any effect on a 3D game? I'm willing to take the time to read if you can explain or link me to something that explains why those games would benefit from a CRT

[Anonymous No.10220283]

>>10219258
Works fine on my machine. Besides the Enhanced Edition is the definitive way to experience SH2.

https://youtu.be/Sj72PDYuOYg?si=mAeehkKwFsdLIpz8

[Anonymous No.10220339]

>>10220202
Silent Hill 2's story was a good deal deeper than most video games, and fried the brains of people who played it but had never read a book or watched a decent film. To this day, it magnetically attracts retarded takes and imbues the entire series with the same aura, as a new generation of e-celebs and high school sophomores try to reveal the esoteric secrets of Silent Hill that were never there in the first place.

[Anonymous No.10220782]

>>10220283
No version of SH2 is a worthwile experience

[Anonymous No.10220816]

>>10220782
I don't think that's true. It has a lot of problems, and is worse than 1 in some ways. But I thought the final parts of the game were really good.

It feels like the game was designed backwards where all the effort was put into the end, and then as you get closer to the start a lot of it is just filler. It feels like there's so much time spent just running without even a bit of combat to break it up and it really drags down the early parts.

[Anonymous No.10220824]

>>10220114
I mean I hope it's commonly seen as good because I'd rather have good remakes exist than bad ones.

[Anonymous No.10220875]

KONAMI TONGUE MY ANUS

[Anonymous No.10220954]

>>10219957
>One of these days I hope they release all 4 games on 1 Switch cart

Not in million years.
Remember when they release the HD collection which are filled with bugs/glitches and questionable changes that no want ask for. All because the studio use the unfinished Source Codes as a main assets.

[Anonymous No.10220984]

The problem with 2 is that none of the enemies provide any real challenge so once you get past the atmosphere it becomes a snooze fest. SH1,3,4 all have enemies that are credible threats that will fuck your shit up if your not careful.
>1
has dogs, flying shit, shit that can run faster than you and fuck you up
>3
the flying spinning things and asshole with swords for arms that can deflect bullets
>4
ghosts are always threat

SH2 has like four enemy types and 90% of the enemies are the retarded armless thingies or crawling dudes you can walk around. Fuck Silent Hill 2.

[Anonymous No.10220995]

>>10220984
Then play it on hard mode.

[Anonymous No.10221013]

>>10219946
>Bar the missing hauntings

There is a fix to adds all the hauntings and fixes the brightness levels to match the PS2 version.

[Anonymous No.10221039]

>>10220954
The worrying part is that even IF Konami were to try something like a "Silent Hill Master Collection", it may be half-backed if the upcoming Metal Gear Collection.
>1080p resolution cap even on higher end consoles, who knows if the PC version will have the same issue.
>MGS2 on Switch has a bizarre 30fps cap that I'm not sure was even the case on Vita. SH games are capped to 30fps anyways but will Konami's porting team fuck up the framerate somehow?
>MGS Master Collection is based on the PS3/360 versions made by Bluepoint, which is fine at least if underwhelming.

There's also too many questions that would be raised with a potential SH Master Collection, like would they bother including all games on the cart/disc, would they base 2 & 3 off of the poor HD Collection conversions or actually hire modders/a different studio to work on it, how would they handle porting SH1/4 to Switch/new platforms, ect. The anon you replied to should keep trying to get the games working on PC, since it's doubtful Konami has any interest in starting such a project.

[Anonymous No.10221060]

SH2 > SH3 = SH1 > SH4

they are all good but 2 is superior in every way

[Anonymous No.10221085]

>>10221060
>2 is superior in every way
2 has a massive downgrade compared to 1's enemy roster. Also, lots of space to explore outside but less to find.

[Anonymous No.10221097]

>>10220202
even as someone slightly disappointed with SH2 after playing SH1, I still find the story and its execution to be very good and warranting its share of reviews and analysis. Its the naysayers who have retarded meltdowns when you suggest its got a charming Lynchain quality with strong symbolic motifs.

Idk, this pessimism is the kind of reaction you see for any strong, abstract or avant garde media whether its painting, film, music or vidya. Midwits hate not understanding or connecting to something that others can. It's cope. But then again the 4chan npc loves to hate everything and bring everyone down with them so it could be just that.

[Anonymous No.10221103]

>>10221085
Instead of a 2 remake they just need to expand and upgrade its enemies. Just such a huge whiff by the team despite nailing everything else, its a bummer.

[Anonymous No.10221113]

>>10221039
>MGS2 on Switch has a bizarre 30fps cap
I'll wait for proper analysis but I feel like they're emulating it on some level (like those pikmin remasters) and switch can't keep up

[Anonymous No.10221116]

>>10221097
>suggest its got a charming Lynchain quality
Not surprising considering the main plot is plagiarized from a Lynch movie.

[Anonymous No.10221117]

>>10221097
I think that started happening more because some people would say how 2 is perfect and 1 is complete shit that shouldn't even exist. It's become a meme to just shit on 2 now, but those people who tried to shut down appreciation of 1 were bad for the community for a while.

[Anonymous No.10221119]

>>10221060
1 = 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3 not even trolling

[Anonymous No.10221128]

>>10221116
i've seen all his movies, not a single one of them is plagiarized.

[Anonymous No.10221494]

>>10221060
I've only played 1 and 2 but I felt 2 was a straight downgrade from 1. The story, puzzles, environments, and enemies were all less interesting.

[Anonymous No.10221495]

>>10219175
It is very unlikely

[Anonymous No.10221501]

>>10221128
It borrows some imagery and shot composition from Lost Highway and Blue Velvet, but the media-illiterate pseuds around here have repeatedly proven they can't distinguish homage from plagiarism.

[Anonymous No.10221714]

>>10221097
I love getting lost in surrealistic dream nightmare mysteries where I have to read a lot from other people and think about it to try to understand. The point isn't even to understand if the fun is in wondering about it becuase some things will never be solved or at least spelled out.

[Anonymous No.10221720]

>>10219520
Jesus heather what the fuck os your problem

[Anonymous No.10221826]

>>10221119
I also like SH4 but SH1 is better.

[Anonymous No.10221906]

>>10219258
There's nothing wrong PC SH3

[Anonymous No.10221923]

>>10220158
classic

[Anonymous No.10222012]

>>10221501
Nah, the central James/Mary/Maria shit is just a dumbed down ripoff of Lost Highway. It even has Robert Blake's character, except now he's a slasher movie killer with a huge sword because subtlety is a completely foreign concept to Japanese writers.

[Anonymous No.10222145]

>>10220038
As i said, they are never good

[Anonymous No.10222148]

>>10221116
Looks a lot more like Solaris to me

[Anonymous No.10222163]

It's a shame Reddit Hill 2 and 3 basically ruined the first game and what it strove for. The devs of later games basically turned what was supposed to be an external, demonic evil and subverted it into a purely psychological one. Into what is essentially an allegory for "MUH DEPRESSION" and "MUH WOMANHOOD". It doesn't help that literally every developer post-SH4 copied from S-oylent Hill 2's playbook. Suddenly every character was a scumbag or flawed soul with a traumatic past, who is punished by some neutral and impersonal spiritual force for some past misdeeds.

SH1 and 4 are the only good installments because they depict ordinary men facing a dark force of universal evil and countering it with their good nature. Harry does what he does because he loves his daughter and wants to escape with her, Henry does what he does to escape his apartment and stop Walter from killing Eileen and using her soul to manifest a demonic entity. They aren't suicidal, they don't mope around, they aren't consumed by despair, and they didn't kill their wife.

[Anonymous No.10222241]

>>10222148
Shitposters wouldn't know. They haven't played the game nor have they watched a single Lynch movie. 'It steals from Lynch' is just the general consensus when you want to shit on Silent Hill 2 (or any Silent Hill game for that matter) on /v/ and /v/ 2.0

[Anonymous No.10222281]

>>10222241
Yeah, the movie about a sexually frustrated guy in a state of deep denial about killing his wife who is pursued by the manifestation of his guilt in the guise of an executioner figure, meets a sexually aggressive double of his dead wife, is confronted with the reality of her murder by his hands via videotape of him doing it , and is ultimately fated to return to a hotel room where it all got started has absolutely nothing in common with Silent Hill 2.

[Anonymous No.10222339]

>>10222281
Lost Highway was just one of the many inspirations. Honestly the movie itself isn't ENTIRELY original as well, love it though

[Anonymous No.10224134]

Bump

[Anonymous No.10224773]

Today I will remind them.

[Anonymous No.10224810]

>>10220128
>It's a 3D game. Muh scanline thickness does not apply here
For 3d games its more about the blur and fuzz of the image (which of course depends on your CRT) the lower and more blurry the resolution the better the emersion for the most part.
>That's retarded, why not play it crisp and clean
Well, it's mostly preference but having played SH1 both emulated and on console there's something different about it. Perhaps it's the fact that the enemies and character models are harder to see, or the fuzziness of the fog that adds to the emersion and dream like feel of the place. Or it could be the setting of flipping through static in the dead of night and hearing the slight whir of the TV that makes it all the more unnerving. Something about it though REALLY pumped up the experience for me.

[Anonymous No.10224967]

>>10221060
SH3 > SH1 > SH4 > SH2
As a game, SH2 it's a mess.

[Anonymous No.10225050]

>>10224773
It always seemed pretty obvious to me that Silent Hill was mostly taking place in the real world with occasional shifts into the nightmare world. Then that pic happens and it's more like the nightmare overwrites reality around you. They had to retcon that and staple a bunch of dumb explanations onto it to allow for a sequel though.

[Anonymous No.10225746]

>>10225050
It's interesting man. I reckon since the main dude left after silent Hill 1, things just changed as they went. In 1, with Cybil saying that the neighboring town Brahms had lost contact with the town, it's definitely real world all the way with the nightmares being like entering a dream or something, since Harry wakes up with Lisa etc and wakes up after the first boss in the real basement, etc etc etc. Very interesting. Just not sure how in the 80s a whole town could drop off the map and not have more than cybil investigating lol.

[Anonymous No.10225835]

>>10225746
Have you ever seen Phantoms or read the book? I think SH1 was heavily inspired by that. Way more than Jacob's Ladder even. It's almost an identical situation where contact with a small town is suddenly lost and everyone has mysteriously vanished. Some cops from the next town over come to investigate and find out what happened and run into all kinds of bizarre stuff. It's a fantastic setup but the explanation for what's going on is so unbelievably stupid it retroactively ruins the rest of the book.

[Anonymous No.10225946]

>>10222339
These people don't understand how unoriginal literally every single piece of media is. They only latch onto what they see as unique because they have no awareness of what they took inspiration from.
Everything is borrowing from something else, the only distinction between them is whether you're aware of it. There is literally no such thing as an original idea.

[Anonymous No.10226237]

>>10222163
>Reddit hill 2
Why are you still shitposting this

[Anonymous No.10226251]

>>10224810
It also helps that with SH1, the dithering isn't as bad on a CRT with composite only.

[Anonymous No.10226254]

>>10222163
tldr. Stop posting like you're underage, unless you're actually underage, in which case kill yourself, nobody cares. Also, have sex (children are out of the picture, clearly).

[Anonymous No.10226264]

>>10221060
1 > 2 >>> 3

[Anonymous No.10226298]

I just finished SH2 a couple of days ago. I finished SH1 a couple of years ago and absolutely loved every part of it, so was looking forward to SH2.

SH2 made me want to finish it but overall it felt like a complete mess game design wise. Also I never felt unsafe at all, there was always plenty of ammo, health and the enemies weren't a threat. Each section (apartments, hospital, prison etc.) had exactly the same formula, and the puzzles were pretty straight forward in most cases.

The tragic elements of the story felt incredibly pretentious. James kills his wife (who was going to die anyway) because he hated looking after her? It felt so handwavy as an explanation. You learn so little about the characters until the very end because the story is needlessly cryptic and mysterious. And there's all this backstory to Silent Hill that serves literally zero purpose. And then because there's no canon ending, its up to you to decide what you think the ending should be, which is lame.

It surprises me that lots of SH fans consider it the GOAT silent hill. Is it just because nothing was quite like it when it came out? Maybe if I played it back in 2001 I would have a different opinion, but it felt like a typical depressing 'beautiful but tragic' story. In a way it's a very Japanese way of story telling. Maybe it just doesn't hold up like it did.

I really wanted to like it but found it very underwhelming. I'm currently playing SH3 so hoping that will be better.

[Anonymous No.10226342]

>>10226298
I had almost the same experience as you, but sh2 has grown on me a lot and I appreciate for what it is despite detracting factors. You will be disappointed with sh3 story and some characters, but its gameplay and enemy variety is on point. All the games are great in their own way, but sh1 is a true masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.10226357]

>>10226298

I feel the same. SH1 was tight and focused because of the limits of the hardware and budget, and it helped immensely. SH2 feels like a sudden directionless expansion of the formula to include all the stuff they left on the cutting room floor during the development of the first game. But, trimming the fat is a positive. A lot of the stuff that doesn't make it in wasn't good enough. SH2 is cluttered because of that. I compare it to the first Alien film, vs. something like Prometheus or Alien Covenant, where they just included every idea when the first film was so powerful because of its purity and narrow focus

[Anonymous No.10226360]

>>10226298
>And there's all this backstory to Silent Hill that serves literally zero purpose.

The town's lore is important to make the player understand that Silent Hill is a place where fucked up stuff has been happening for centuries and the imagery that James sees may or may not be related to those events.

[Anonymous No.10226364]

>>10226298
Gameplay wise SH2 is the worst one. And narrative wise it gets put on a pedestal by bandwagoners that never seen a Lynch movie or read a good story before. It does a lot of cool things with its influences, contextualizing them in a game sense, like the surreal elevator section. It's a very good product all things considered, but things that get hyped this much *never* live up to it because there's no way they could.

[Anonymous No.10226626]

>>10226298
I agree with a lot of what you said. I did start to really like the story near the end though. I had a hard time appreciating that the first time I played because I really didn't enjoy the gameplay. When I replayed it, I was able to just get through the boring parts faster and that made me appreciate the story more.

If you ever feel like replaying 1 then try to give 2 a replay after. 2 is still going to have the gameplay flaws, but it still does have some good parts worth appreciating.

I think 1 still has a lot of symbolism to appreciate, almost as much as 2, but it's not told you to you as directly. You actually have to replay it to fully appreciate the symbolism of the school, the hospital, etc. and what they mean to the characters. 2 kind of spells things out for you a bit more, and because it's easier, that might give it a wider appeal.

[Anonymous No.10226842]

>>10226626
I'll definitely give it another run through for the second play through, maybe even when I finish SH3. I got the Leave ending on my first playthrough, I'm wondering if its better to get the In Water ending, since most people think that's canon. I really want to enjoy SH2 and understand why people like it. I actually did enjoy the game, but felt like I was missing something that other people got when they played it.

>>10226360
Perhaps, I was just hoping it would serve a higher purpose than "Silent Hill is fucked up". But I can accept that being the reason in any case, it was still enjoyable to read the newspaper clippings etc.

>>10226342
Im hoping this is the case for me eventually. SH1 really set the bar for me.

>>10226357
That's a good analogy.

>>10226364
I did notice this a fair bit with a lot of SH fans. SH2 seems to be in the basket of most people liking it, but a lot of people also not liking it because a lot of people like it. Like you said, something being hyped that much will fail to live up to it.

[Anonymous No.10226847]

>>10219178

Is silent hill 2 enhanced edition any better than ps2 on a crt?

[Anonymous No.10226856]

>>10226847
Well see for yourself.
https://youtu.be/CiyNH1OnuWE?t=945

[Anonymous No.10226867]

Why do americans have fully abandoned towns and nobody just moves into those for free housing? Why are americans so wasteful?

[Anonymous No.10226903]

>>10226867
Some towns in rural area are abandoned for many reasons.
Just like Chernobyl, either the place couldn't recover from the disaster or were not economically viable to have a stable community.

[Anonymous No.10226924]

>>10225746
Affleck was the bomb in Phantoms.

[Anonymous No.10226925]

>>10226867
They're called ghost towns for a reason, nobody wants to get spooked.

[Anonymous No.10226935]

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Have you seen my umbilical cord? Small, dank smell...

[Anonymous No.10226951]

>>10226867
They'd rather shoot you than let you live for free in a house so irradiated that you'd die in a week

[Anonymous No.10227009]

>>10226842
>I was just hoping it would serve a higher purpose than "Silent Hill is fucked up".

But it did, when SH2 released, when people first played SH2, they went in blind, so every newspaper clipping might gives clue as to what the main character is experiencing or give an idea of what might happening around the town. Now zoomers start playing SH2 as a "LOL PYRAMID HEAD 'N BOOBIES!" or "facing your trauma" type of game and get pissed off those things are actually a small part of some design choices for the game and not the main theme of the game.

[Anonymous No.10227467]

>>10226842
>something being hyped that much will fail to live up to it.
I think the apartment section also did a good job filtering people. It does a good job giving players an idea of what to expect from later levels, it slowly introduces new characters and Pyramid Head, but its also a huge slow burn.