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Why wasn't Rakugakids released in North America?

>> No.10166229

>>10166210
It was too Japanese. Wasn't until 6th gen when releases like this became common overseas

>> No.10166243

If 64 can't do 2D without 3D polygons then why does this look so good

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>> No.10166356
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>>10166347
why does europe always get artsy covers?

>> No.10166370

>>10166243
>then why does this look so good
It doesn't look good. Check out Saturn X-Men Vs Street Fighter for good 2d.

>> No.10166375

90's western kids would call this kind of game "gay"

>> No.10166389

>50HZ only fighting game
God almighty

>> No.10166425

>>10166243
Because that was only Capcom's excuse.

>> No.10166590

>>10166210
No idea but I kind of want to play this game and some of the JP exclusives on N64

>> No.10166812

>>10166210
Because N64 controller was too shit for fighting games.
Which is sad, because this game is great.
>>10166375
They played Parappa though.

>> No.10166814

>>10166210
Nintendo fans hate Japanese games. Literally a defining trait of their identity.

>> No.10166827

Konami simply wasn't confident with the game, being 2D for the N64 and all that.

>> No.10166920

>>10166814
Can confirm, as a Nintendo fan, I hate Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, F-Zero and Earthbound.

>> No.10166935
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I'm not sure but I think Rakuga Kids might be one of the 2D games with the most amount of animation frames per character I know. I tried comparing it to other games with lots of animation frames like SF III or Garou and I think Rakuga still has more.
Granted, the sprites themselves are very simplistic, but the animation is quite complex.

>> No.10167389

>>10166590
my biggest gripe with the game is that everyone has shitty range on their normal attacks.

>> No.10167396

>>10166243
>If 64 can't do 2D without 3D polygons
That's the PS1, N64 could do 2D just fine

>> No.10167467

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z_kiAR70mk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqdynPeaspQ

>> No.10167482

>2d gaem on n64
>art style right of a playstation game, looks gay as shit and owning it would get you bullied at school
>just naming it on the playground would designate you as a punching bag for your entire life
There's your answer, you're welcome

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>>10167396
>N64 could do 2D just fine
Then why don't they have good looking 2d games?

>> No.10167490

>>10167482
Kids would pick on you for the silliest things. Even at work I was being picked on for jacking off all over myself and then going to work without showering.

>> No.10167491

>>10166210
>>10166347
My mom took me to a videogame shop and I was allowed to pick one game. I almost chose this one for the box art alone. Thankfully my intuition told me to not choose this and went with Game & Watch Gallery 4 instead.

The MS Paint graphics really stand out though...

>> No.10167497

>>10167484
Because industry wanted 3d, and carts were so pricey, you had to utilize 3d or ultimately it was a waste to have it on n64, a console for 3d games.
You were better off releasing that shit on playstation or even saturn

>> No.10167498

why does this game only have 8 characters? lmao

>> No.10167507

>>10167484
Well for one they insisted on having a shitty blurring filter

>> No.10167517

where are the high level tournaments

>> No.10167523

>>10166920
>BUT NINTENDO GAMES ARE JA-
lol.

>> No.10167542

>>10167523
Best of their games were made in the West, like Donkey Kong Country, Star Fox 1-2 and Metroid Prime.

>> No.10168337

>>10167396
Repent zoomer.

>> No.10168491

>>10167484
Whata the difference between that and something like ogre battle

>> No.10168889

>>10166356
>why does Europe almost generic, bootleg-like covers
ftfy

>> No.10168891

>>10168337
He's right though. PSX' 2D games are unironically all 3D polygons.

>> No.10168898

>>10166814
>>10167523
Nintendo was and will always be the most Japanese company, like it or not.

>> No.10168920

>>10167523
Dumb as a stump, huh?

>> No.10168935

fuck this game, play rakugaki showtime!
i've been playing it every weekend with my friend group via duckstation netplay and it's becoming my favorite arena fighter...

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>>10168491
You tell me.

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>>10168491

>> No.10168978
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>youtube thumbnail

>> No.10168994

>>10168891
Nah you are.

>> No.10169025

>>10168978
Like an amped up SMRPG, delicious. I don't mind the blur here

>> No.10169047

>>10168978
>>10169025
>I don't mind the blur here
Christ.

>> No.10169053

>>10169047
It's unique at least. I bet you play with max sharpness and no shaders

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>> No.10169317

>>10169053
I don't play emulation full stop. I hope one day you realise you've been going about this all wrong.

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>>10167497
>or ultimately it was a waste to have it on n64
A shame that mindset existed because everyone would have bought X-men vs SF or Metal Slug on N64 instead we got a fuckload of awful looking games. They should have known their limits.

>> No.10169330

>>10169317
Get over yourself.

>> No.10169345

>>10166375
They wouldn't be wrong

>> No.10169575

>You tell me.
>>10168968
>>10168971
So one actually came out in the west with an english translation while the other got stuck in japan even to this day.

Note that Princess crown isn't even that great of a game and people are better off to play its 'sequels' on ps2 and wii instead


Real reason was that 2d was not interesting to do on n64 due to the cartspace being expensive. Cheaper to do on psx.

>> No.10169579

>>10169575
The gameplay of princess crown isn't recreated by the later vanillware games. N64s lack of 2D deprived a generation of a vision for the future of the classic side of the medium and likely contributed to the death of 2D games in the following generation. All those kids that grew up with nothing but super nintendo, avoided arcades because no tendo, had no idea of the advances in 2D which is why /v/ adores pixel art from the era they never saw.

>> No.10169585

>>10169579
Nah, people were done with 2d at that point (after being flooded by it on genesis and snes) and were ready to try out new stuff with the transition to 3d. Same for psx and even saturn to some extend (The psx was also advertised as a 3d machine)
Reviewers were giving shit to games like astal for not innovating enough, dispite looking pretty.

>> No.10169587

>>10169585
>people were done with 2d at that point
They weren't, that was purely a marketing perspective. 2D games sold well and remained a cornerstone of gaming. That's why it continues on today after its revival midway through the 7th generation.

>> No.10169592

>>10169587
They (the majority) were.
Myself and friends included. None of us even bough 2d games that period.
Why buy nicer looking genesis games when you can also get stuff like tomb raider
(In hindsight we did miss out on SotN which was a shame)

>> No.10169625

>>10169592
>They (the majority) were.
Nope.
>Myself and friends included. None of us even bough 2d games that period.
You and your no friends are not the majority.
>(In hindsight we did miss out on SotN which was a shame)
A game which sold so well it got a greatest hits reissue.

>> No.10169641

>>10169625
Cope harder and look at the top sold games

>> No.10169646

>>10169641
Look at the thread you're in, pleading for a 2D game to have been released on a 3D focused console.

lol.

>> No.10169676

>>10169646
Exactly, nobody cared about 2d (on the n64)

>> No.10169681

>>10169676
They wanted it, badly, and still do to this day. Anything else is a cope.

>> No.10169692

It's honestly pretty bizarre how weebs pretend they're an oppressed class when most games from the 80s and 90s were Japanese.

>> No.10169703

>>10169681
Symphony of the night on psx sold poorly when it initially came out, and although it picked up later it still sold far less than 1 million.

If what you say is true it should've been a beat seller from the start.

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>>10167484
There were a few, just not as many as Saturn or PS1

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>>10169703
>I-it didn't sell a million in pre-orders!
This is cope.

>> No.10169763

>>10169752
>The PlayStation and Saturn versions sold 225,862 units in Japan,[94] while the PlayStation version sold 477,304 units in the United States,[95] for a total of 703,166 units sold in the United States and Japan.[94][95]

Yeah, absolute monster hit, didn't even make it to the top 100

>> No.10169770

>>10169715
One of the better 2d games on the system, too bad they stuck with that cgi prerendered garbage look instead of handdrawn assets

>> No.10169814

>>10169763
Not him, but that was still moderately successful for a game like that which stuck with mostly 2d assets especially when at the time 2D was heavily frowned upon in favor for 3D. I don't remember many people owning it, but I heard a lot of great things about it, especially when people weren't happy with Castlevania 64

>> No.10169826

>>10169814
But thats is the point, it was a brilliant game with only a moderate sales success.

The claims here that 2d was still in full force and that everyone was still craving for it is not backed by history

>> No.10169838

>>10169826
Purely fabricated by faggot magazines. Journalists were always ass kissers of big corpos.

>> No.10169841

>>10169692
Anime was never popular, still isn't

>> No.10169842

>>10169715
I love Mischief Makers but that game looks like monkey butt.

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>>10169715
I played this game to death at as a teen and I have to disagree with you. Notice the background in the final battle.

>> No.10169857

>>10169715
>>10169770
The art style and music was aweful. Didn't buy it when it was on the discount shelf. Emulated it a decade later, the presentation is so bad I couldn't continue. If you can tolerate the style it is somewhat reminiscent of Bubble Bobble, Rainbow Islands and Snow Bros.

>> No.10169858

>>10169585
>Reviewers were giving shit to games like astal
These people were wrong and most likely not even gamers.
>>10169592
>None of bought 2d games
Everyone I knew who owned a playstation and n64 still loved X-Men vs Street Fighter.

>> No.10169860

>>10169851
Its a mix of 2d and 3d right? Just a pity the artstyle is poor prerendered cgi.

Yoshi's story is full 2d and looks nice, but plays like shit.

2d on n64 is just a no go

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>>10169857
Its not a bad platformer and while I also shit on its graphics it had its moments. Music was definitely not bad.

https://youtu.be/efCa9f6aAj0

>> No.10169910

>>10169763
While not as big as croc (few games are!) that's excellent sales for a time when breaking even would mean moving 20,000 units. Your metric is flawed as is your entire premise. Clearly people had no problem with 2D, only paid actors and coping sour grapers.

>> No.10170453

>>10169860
Yoshi never felt better on the N64. Flutter kicking could carry you so freaking far.

>> No.10170459

>>10166812
Parappa had a miniscule bit of "cool factor" due to it being a game about rapping

>> No.10170467

>>10169860
>plays like shit
Yoshi controls great what the hell

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>>10168898
>NEC
>Jaleco
>Nichibutsu
>Seta
>Pack-in Video
>ASCII Corporation
>Enterbrain
>Human Entertainment
>Love-de-lic
>Hacker International
>Artdink
>hell even Konami now with their pachinko obsession

>> No.10170482

>>10170453
Just more proof that tight controls alone cannot carry a bad game.

>> No.10170487

>>10170482
It's an all right game, you just played it wrong. Cope.

>> No.10170497

>>10169575
>So one actually came out in the west with an english translation while the other got stuck in japan even to this day.
Why does this matter?
>Real reason was that 2d was not interesting to do on n64 due to the cartspace being expensive
Carts have their advantages as we saw with the 32x out performing saurn and PSX with certain games. I feel it has more to do with nintendo being out of touch and moving further and further away from their NES roots.

>> No.10170502

>>10170487
>It's an all right game
64 tendies have so little games they have to champion yoshis story.

>> No.10170507

why is this thread turning into another shitty consolewar thread

>> No.10170512

>>10170502
It's better than Klonoa

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>>10167484
>>10167396
>Then why don't they have good looking 2d games?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZo2kwXEgR0
They do, but
>shitty anti-aliasing that made everything look like it was smeared with vaseline
>especially in western games like Midway's offerings or Turok
>Japs were kind of the only ones still bothering with 2d games on consoles at the time
>N64 was 3rd place in Japan that generation and really only bought by children that wanted the next Mario or Zelda game
>and most of the third-party games were from western publishers like Midway or Acclaim

N64 is one of the few retro consoles that look better in emulation than on original hardware

>> No.10170578

>>10170514
Comix Zone looks better than both your examples.

>> No.10171927

How much of it is emulation that makes 64 text look smeared, sloppy and cut-off, with seams around the visible bordering?Why is this such an issue whereas with 4th gen it wasn't?

>> No.10172017

>>10169857
>>10169885
Some pretty great tracks in the OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPgRACwmGy4