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10157394 No.10157394 [Reply] [Original]

What were they THINKING?

>> No.10157403

>>10157394
They were telling you that now you're going to play with power for years. Don't say you weren't been warned.

>> No.10157514

>level with water
>no matter how much damage you get, as long as you aren't completely dead you can get full health back if you get into water for a few seconds
I always found it funny that SM64 was some kind of complete opposite of GTA3 with its instakill water.

>> No.10157536

>you can restore your health by jumping into water and... breathing?
I always thought it was funny. It felt like an oversight.

>> No.10157557 [DELETED] 

>>10157394
Is this an AVGN or Third Rate Gamer reference?

>> No.10157569 [DELETED] 

>>10157514
did you never notice your breath meter is separate from your health meter? did you actually play the game, or just watch like a cuck?

>> No.10157571

>>10157394
Why is it made out of wood

>> No.10157580

>>10157394
Early 3D games relied on power bars to cushion the novelty of 3D gameplay (and also the potential lack of polish in hit detection, character and camera control etc). The "free health if you go into the water" bit was probably going overboard though

>> No.10157595

it's quite a bit of an oversight, there's not that much water but there are two levels centered around it. so i think there must have been a last minute change regarding the breathe thing. maybe it was possible to just swim underwater endlessy?

>> No.10157612

>>10157580
>The "free health if you go into the water" bit was probably going overboard though

It was a nice mechanic. Water is refreshing. It makes kind of sense to be healed by it, even if you don't necessarily drink it.

Walking around the desert with low health and then finding an oasis was always cool.

>> No.10157613 [DELETED] 

>>10157394
Regaining health by swimming is a SOULFUL Secret Trick (urawaza)
>nooo it's not heckin logical!
Go cry about it to the GM, oh wait you can't

>> No.10157618 [DELETED] 

>>10157394
>"This will scare zoomers, and make them have panic attacks, which is good, because the more dead zoomers the better."

>> No.10157624

>health bar
soulless

>Mario shrinking/growing in size to indicate health
SOUL

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>>10157618
Isn't the knee-jerk narrative about zoomers demanding easier games? Why would a mechanic that's there to make gameplay as easy as possible upset (them)?

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>>10157613
It's kind of amazing how the fact that you consider that a "secret trick" isn't even remotely the stupidest part of your post

>> No.10157683 [DELETED] 

>>10157536
>>10157624
>Water restores Mario
>Money also heals him
When did you realize Mario 64 was a Wario game?

>> No.10157829 [DELETED] 

Swimming seemed to be either a late addition or else not very well developed in general. There's a couple weird things about swimming in SM64, your health bar doubling as an air meter only scratches the surface.

>> No.10157991

>>10157829
Your health bar doesn't double as an air meter. After your air meter reaches zero, your health bar starts draining, because you are fucking drowning.

>> No.10158008

>>10157991
Wrong game, that seems from some FPS like Quake. Later Mario games added a separate air gauge for swimming.

>> No.10158013

>>10157991
Anon have you even played the game? There's only one meter

>> No.10158037

>>10158013
Just because it's not on screen doesnt mean ít doesn't exist
Takes a while before health starts falleng, and once it does it does so rather quickly. there is a main air timer even if you cannot see it.

>> No.10158241

>>10158037
Seriously anon if SM64 is even the game you're talking about, you may want to replay it. There's only one meter and even if that wasn't obvious from direct observation, internally there's actually only one variable as well (which isn't actually 0-8, it's a wider value range than that).

>> No.10158396

>>10157394
>jump in water to heal
yeah, not too sure about that one

>> No.10158581

>>10158037
There is an internal health counter separate from the visible counter, yes, but being underwater simply drains the internal counter. There is no separate "water timer". Watch the pannenkoek video on it.

>> No.10158591 [DELETED] 

>>10157557
you really needed to ask that? are you autistic, a dumb zoomer, or some third world foreigner?

>> No.10158884 [DELETED] 

>>10158591
I'm from the fourth world... You people don't even know it exists.

>> No.10159227

>>10157571
because that's what was in the tree

>> No.10159316

>>10157514
>>10157536
>>10158396
It's meant to tell its players to take a shower.

>> No.10159684

This mechanic was obviously intentional since they had the one level where that trick explicitly didn't work.

>> No.10159765

>>10157394
*Gets hit*

HUULGH

>> No.10159797

>>10159684
what stage would that be?

>> No.10159945

>>10157991
Lol now I'm trying to rack my brain trying to figure out what game that actually was. It was definitely a major N64 game. Don't think it was Banjo or Zelda.

>> No.10159956

>>10158037
>>10158581
I swear you people are being obtuse just to piss everyone else off.

>> No.10160450

>>10157571
Mario 3 had a lot of wooden textures too.

>> No.10160480

With Miyamoto being as involved as he was, how did they get away with the morbid realistic presentation on stuff like mario's death animations?

>> No.10160604

>>10159956
There is no air meter in SM64, internal or abstract

>> No.10160656

>>10160604
In fact there's 3 breath counters, one updated before each logic cycle, other after, and the third averaging both values with a random chance (generated by a fourth temp value) of a fifth counter updating and factoring in as well.

>> No.10160682

>>10157612
I just thought they didn't want to bother creating a separate Oxygen bar for diving so they just had being on the surface restore HP as a means of "gaining air."

>> No.10160687

>>10159797
>what stage would that be?
The 2nd snow level where the water is cold and hurts you but doesn't heal you at all.

>> No.10160903

>>10159945
Happened in Conker's Bad Fur Day and Grunty's Revenge. I'm sure there are others though.

>> No.10161864

>>10158396
>collecting coins refills your health
What did nintendo mean by this

>> No.10161883

>>10157394
They were thinking "let's make a great game".

>> No.10161913

As someone who only played Mario 64 for a little while, is this necessary for game completion?
The obvious "fix" to me here would be to have the game remember the Power level when the player enters water, and coming back to the surface would then restore the gauge only up to a maximum of that value (minus any damage taken while underwater, of course).

But since presumably there are sections where Mario has to spend a certain amount of time underwater to progress, you'd be soft-locked if you don't have enough Power to make it through that section and there is no way to restore the gauge. Being able to dunk your head and resurface guarantees players can do these underwater stretches regardless of prior injury.
But, as stated, this is only relevant if Mario lacks other ways to heal. However, even if he can, it still probably involves having to backtrack to restore it, which disrupts the gameplay flow. I'm sure they thought the awkwardness of it was justified by allowing the player to keep moving forward and not wasting their time.

Obviously, they should have just created a separate air gauge in the first place, which would circumvent all of this. Strange decision.