Shining thread

[Anonymous No.10146018]

What the FUCK was his problem?

[Anonymous No.10146028]

>>10146018
>floor has more high contrast popout pixels than the walls

[Anonymous No.10146182]

>>10146018
The future is now, old man.

[Anonymous No.10146354]

>>10146018
Ever see Logan's Run

[Anonymous No.10146425]

>>10146018
Learned Jap recently and the thing that struck me the most is how much Japs despise the elderly. They genuinely hate them.

[Anonymous No.10146553]

>>10146425
In samurai times they would often leave the elderly to die of starvation on a mountain top. It was considered noble for the elders to willingly die a slow agonized death for the good of the young.

[Anonymous No.10146583]

>>10146028
Hey, cleaners are trying their best to keep it shining everyday.

[Anonymous No.10147187]

>>10146553
they could at least offer to chop their heads off quickly damn

[Anonymous No.10147226]

>>10146583
So, they're actual Shining Force? The true protagonists of the game?

[Anonymous No.10147243]

>>10147187
That's reserved for Samurai who need to retain their honor despite failing on some pointless meaningless yet impossible task.

[Anonymous No.10147439]

>>10146354
I don't watch the Olympics.

[Anonymous No.10147956]

>>10147226
>The true protagonists of the game?
I wouldn't go that far. Still, their hard work shines throughout the whole adventure.

[Anonymous No.10148476]

SF2 Sarah is best elf.

[Anonymous No.10148509]

I wouldn't mind servicing her orally

[Anonymous No.10148556]

>>10148476

[Anonymous No.10148561]

>>10146553
>In samurai times they would often leave the elderly to die of starvation on a mountain top. It was considered noble for the elders to willingly die a slow agonized death for the good of the young.
Just like the weebs of today then

[Anonymous No.10148640]

>>10148476
Sarah is the fourth best after Masqurin, Pyra and Wendy.

[Anonymous No.10150023]

>>10148640
Masqurin is lovely

[Anonymous No.10150141]

Best healer in any tbs.

[Anonymous No.10150251]

So wasn't there supposed to be some PHONE game?

[Anonymous No.10150281]

>>10146553
No i said they hate old people as in they hate them. They think they're annoying, stupid and should just die already.

[Anonymous No.10150295]

For me it's Anri

[Anonymous No.10150310]

>>10150251
It got cancelled cause the Korean company sega licensed it to went bankrupt

[Anonymous No.10150571]

>>10150295
She is a cutie.

[Anonymous No.10150576]

Sarah also best fighter.

[Anonymous No.10150584]

>>10150251
Yeah. Hopefully the assets get reused for an actual sovl console and not the life leeching phone “console/handheld”

[Anonymous No.10150620]

>>10150141
she isnt even the best in her own game. she's literally the slowest and most worthless compared to the others who gain exp far faster than her and they have better healing/utility spells for the team too.

[Anonymous No.10150623]

>>10150576
>sarah
thats a funny way to spell "peter"

[Anonymous No.10150641]

>>10150571

[Anonymous No.10150646]

>>10150623
Peter is a bird. Therefore it is a jet fighter.

[Anonymous No.10150657]

>>10150620
You usually get the others late, by then sarah can hold her own weight well and does the job well. I’m sure there are some ltc strats w/o her but idc about that. Sarah is still my fav.

[Anonymous No.10150660]

>>10150641
Nice. Moar.

[Anonymous No.10150824]

>>10150660
There is a depressing lack of non Sonic sega game fanart.

[Anonymous No.10150914]

>>10150657
she falls behind early game pretty easily. if you baby her and feed/cater to her, is her stat growth ok? sure, but i really dont see how its remotely worth the effort when fighters do the fighting job better and she's objectively outclassed by the other healers.

[Anonymous No.10150937]

>>10150914
You have to baby her less than you have to baby Kiwi or Slade, who are squishier to boot.
Just keep her around the front and use her to soften the enemies healing whoever needs it the most, even if just for 1 HP around the end of the battle.

[Anonymous No.10150942]

>>10146425
Sounds based>>10150281

[Anonymous No.10151005]

>>10150937
Based.

[Anonymous No.10151172]

>>10150937
even with the power ring, kiwi falls off. but then again, kiwi is useless in the long run anyway, because he gets hard countered by magic due to his abysmal health pool. other than magic, kiwi is not "squishier" than sarah. slade needs a LITTLE help at the start, but by the time you leave grans, he should be just as good as the rest and keeps up just fine.
>just keep her around the front
she is by no means a tank, and very easily gets obliterated. especially if you play on the higher difficulty, enemies target the fuck out of her.
>use her to soften the enemies
oh yeah, that 1 damage really softened the enemies. also, her speed is pretty low, especially as she falls behind. also, if you're taking the turn to attack, you arent taking the turn to heal, which is generally her fucking JOB. she doesnt even get blast 1 until level 10, which is what, bedoe? if you baby her and feed her 1hp monsters to finish off, then you're taking experience away from fighters. if you're redoing fights just to keep her up, is she REALLY worth it? her mana pool is pretty small in the early game, so casting blast means less healing. you have to baby her SO much, on top of generally NOT healing in order to get "le epic master monk" with super stats, when literally all 3 other healers reach epic stats with better support spells and less effort. they can earn 49 exp a turn forever, even if you autistically grind. sarah only gets 10 for heal. even if you want to autistically grind, how is that difference in rate and utility worth it?

[Anonymous No.10151408]

i will never understand redditor autism with srpg where they treat playong with bad/suboptimal characters as a bad thing
you are literally good at the game if you win with shit units instead of looking up a minmax guide on gamefaqs like a fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.10151585]

>>10151408
I agree. Min/maxing makes for very stale gameplay. I’ll get to it when I want to, and if I plan on competing with the big boys I’ll get into it. But its a TBS. Literally who cares? Enjoy the game the way you wan’t to play.

[Anonymous No.10151893]

>>10151408
theres a difference between min/maxing and "its really just not worth the effort".
also its not "min/maxing" when somebody is gushing about how "great" a character is, but they get called out on how they really arent that great and are also objectively outclassed by others.
by all means, make your own choices and whatever feels the most fun for you, but these faggots are objectively wrong in their assessment of putting sarah on a pedestal.

[Anonymous No.10152369]

>>10150641
>Shinig Force

[Anonymous No.10152759]

>>10151408
I just beat SF1, and a couple of the characters are literal newbie traps whose stats are unusable shit if you don't hold off on promoting them.

[Anonymous No.10152865]

>>10152369
It glows

[Anonymous No.10152881]

what did sega mean by this

[Anonymous No.10152884]

>>10152881

[Anonymous No.10152885]

>>10152881
>erotic

[Anonymous No.10152887]

>>10152881
but is that sega or not some fansite twitter?

[Anonymous No.10152894]

>>10152887
SEGA Forever is operated by SEGA, yes. Didn't mean to crop the handle out in the first image like a retard, fucking double-clicking mouse.

[Anonymous No.10152901]

>>10152894
I don't even want to think about what sort of retarded replies it's getting.

[Anonymous No.10152946]

>>10146553
Samurai Jack wouldn't do that to his pops

[Anonymous No.10152962]

>>10151172
Skill issue.
>Pictured: status screen before Polka fight, no egresses
Sarah currently got least kills among the Force members, except for Peter and May who joined later, but the most experience points, being just a step away from level 14.

[Anonymous No.10152982]

>>10150141
the original video game cuckquean.

[Anonymous No.10153029]

>>10152982
Phantasy Star III predates it by 3 years.

[Anonymous No.10153080]

>>10152962
you are disingenuous as fuck. i have a file where everyone is level 8 landing at grans, i happen to have catered to her where she actually has the MOST kills, just to ensure she kept up. at level 8, she had 14 kills there. to get to your location and screenshot, there are 5 more battles. 500 more experience, with no kills, across 5 battles, and you want me to believe that you only used heal and occasionally damaged some monsters? i dont believe you for a fucking second.

[Anonymous No.10153086]

>>10146018
The problem is he's old and he's going to die anyway.
It doesn't matter.
What's the problem here?

[Anonymous No.10153096]

>>10153080
One day, when I'm not buzy or lazy, I'll make a early game walkthrough video just to shut you up.

[Anonymous No.10153156]

>>10153080
>14 kills
>still just level 8, meaning you got ~200 exp max from healing, which could be achieved by 20 turns of the most inefficient healing in terms of exp gain
I assume you haven't milked enemies for more exp overkilling them, nor let your force members to accumulate some damage before healing them for more exp.

[Anonymous No.10153213]

>>10151893
It’s really hard to deduce that on the first run when sarah is your only healer to begin with for a long time. After a play through, i can understand what you mean by how shit a character is but its also normal to like a character just cause.

[Anonymous No.10153215]

>>10153029
Phantasy Star 3 unnecessarily hated.

[Anonymous No.10153218]

>>10153215
how blown out is your asshole

[Anonymous No.10153228]

>>10153218
I loved phantasy star 3. I don’t get why people hate it. That’s a thing. Phantasy star 3 was pogs.

[Anonymous No.10153246]

>>10153215
It plays janky and doesn't really follow the tone of the first two games. Out of all classic Phantasy Star games, it needed the remake the most.
I really love the ambition and the story bits though. It certainly beats Square and Enix games of the time period in that regard (though the same can be applied to the whole series, honestly).

[Anonymous No.10153256]

>>10153228
You haven't answer my question

[Anonymous No.10153263]

>>10153256
Hmmm. I won’t respond to that. Kinda gross.

[Anonymous No.10153269]

>>10153246
Honestly. I fee like Final Fantasy stopped being good after 7. That and Phantasy Star series ended on a good note. Which is something publishers refuse to do these days and milk the title series longer than they should.

[Anonymous No.10153275]

Final fantasy 4 interlude and after years were complete dogshit. Sucks cause its My favorite final fantasy game.

[Anonymous No.10153317]

CliMAX Shining > Camelot Shining

[Anonymous No.10153318]

>>10153213
which is totally fine. im not saying anybody cant like anything. im just saying its flat out wrong to call them great when they arent.

[Anonymous No.10153347]

>>10153318
Yeah. But I still think Sarah is an amazing healer because I only plan on playing SF2 Hardest mode once and she saved my butt more than once.

[Anonymous No.10153349]

[Anonymous No.10153396]

>>10153156
honestly, i havent touched it in years, and i dont really remember how it actually played. i just loaded up the savestate to check and get an idea. i dont remember what level it happens at, but there is a point where the amount of damage you actually recover stops factoring in to the experience gain from healing, and i think its pretty early.

14 kills, at an average of probably 30-40exp (first gizmos only give like 20s), thats 420-560. thats level 5-6. thats 200-300 from healing to reach 8. 10exp per heal, thats 20-30 heals. there are 7 battles on grans. thats 3-4 heals per fight to hit the quota. sarah starts out with 10mp, so she can easily do 3 per battle, so if you feed her the kills and level her, she can get to 4 in short order.

i honestly dont recall if i ever redid any of the fights on that file for the sake of anyone else, but for sarah's math alone, it checks out for that stage of the game perfectly. if i redid any of the fights, i feel like sarah's total would be higher due to healing on the side.

[Anonymous No.10153407]

>>10153347
yeah, when the game doesnt give you any other healer for 50-80% of the game (depending on choice at creed's) healing can seem pretty impressive even when it comes from a dumpy character. you could have also achieved the same results by keeping everyone stocked with healing seeds. you can think she's "amazing" but thats just a laughably inaccurate opinion. you can have some anecdotal "amazing" memories and moments, and im happy for you, but that doesnt make the character actually amazing or undo the fact that she's objectively outclassed by others.

[Anonymous No.10153412]

>>10152759
Bleu was the trap for me. Everyone said that the dragon was super strong and that was only true when it got a critical with that flame breath, other than that he was complete shit.

[Anonymous No.10153431]

>>10153412
Yep, him and Arthur are the big ones. I thought Arthur was an underdog that got better if you just raised him consistently, but it turns out you have to wait until level 20 to promote him, or he turns out like shit either way.

[Anonymous No.10153445]

>>10153407
Yeah.

It’s like when I meet a Padre’s Fan. They are a bad baseball team, but at least I’m a decent person to not tell them they are awful. Especially when they buy and wear their t-shirts. I just say “yeah, they are pretty neat.”

[Anonymous No.10153617]

>>10153412
bleu is fine, he just starts off WAY too low. once you catch him up with the team (which does take an absurd amount of dedicated feeding) he is a pretty solid character
>>10153431
while bleu needs like 10+levels of catering, arthur needs like 2 or 3 to catch up, and then he's perfectly fine and its not hard to stay level with the rest of the team. arthur is consistently an absolute rockstar for me. he's solid pre-promotion, and afterwards he fucking EXPLODES in stats. the only thing he can be a bit short on is defense, but he has good health to make up for it. his attack stat is incredible.

[Anonymous No.10153627]

>>10153445
theres a difference between "i root for this team" for whatever reason/connection they have for the team, and "this team is a amazing! the best there is!". its cute that you admit to being a social cuck though.

[Anonymous No.10153678]

>>10153407
So she's the only free option for healing for the half of the game, after which you promote her into a powerful character (even if you picked up Karna and gave her a Vigor Ball, that leaves an overpowered at this stage of the game Goddess Staff for the other one). Yay.

[Anonymous No.10153835]

>>10152982
I need to check something. Yep. Still furious.

[Anonymous No.10153947]

Karna!

[Anonymous No.10153993]

>>10153627
I’m just glad that I’m not as miserable as you are. Sarah is still an awesome healer.

[Anonymous No.10154034]

[Anonymous No.10154043]

>>10153993
your autism must be crippling.

[Anonymous No.10154052]

>>10154034
Based.

[Anonymous No.10154080]

>>10154043
>Acts like a fag every time someone bring up a cartoon elf every thread
>Calls anyone else autistic

[Anonymous No.10154104]

>>10153947
Cute!

[Anonymous No.10154146]

nibble ears

[Anonymous No.10154156]

>>10154080
>praises garbage every thread
>admits to being a social cuck
>cant understand simple concepts
>still thinks he has any credibility

[Anonymous No.10154169]

>>10154156
>Is really mad.

[Anonymous No.10154219]

Evil or misguided?

[Anonymous No.10154259]

>>10154169
i didnt realize this thread was in imax, because you sure are projecting, lol.

[Anonymous No.10154276]

>>10154259
At least im not imad

[Anonymous No.10154284]

>>10154276
after how defensive you've been? suuuuure you're not buddy. whatever you say.

[Anonymous No.10154573]

>>10154146
>Wiggle wiggle

[Anonymous No.10154590]

>>10154573
Lol did you make that? Cool!

[Anonymous No.10154595]

>>10153317
I agree because I love FEDA-style tech mashups and Climax focused more on that then the more fantastical sequels, where the tech was present but not showcased.

[Anonymous No.10154625]

Shining force 3 full translation when

[Anonymous No.10154638]

>>10154625
thot it was already fully translated tho

[Anonymous No.10154689]

>>10146018
this is ugly. you need shaders.

[Anonymous No.10155081]

>>10154043
Stop posting already.

[Anonymous No.10155908]

>>10150295
The Anon with exquisite taste.

[Anonymous No.10155918]

>>10154625
Like 10 years ago?

>>10155908
That manga was weird, man. But I do like a nice big pair of.... pauldrons.

[Anonymous No.10157528]

>>10155918
Max was a fool to pass that up.

I still can't believe the USA defeated Dark Dragon with nuclear missiles, though.

[Anonymous No.10159359]

>>10154595
Yeah, it was more inspired too.

[Anonymous No.10159361]

>>10159359
>>10159359
this stupid furry cunt was so cool looking. Also love the not-Gamera guy in SF2.

[Anonymous No.10159991]

>>10148476
>>10150141
>>10150576
>>10151005
>>10151585
>>10152962
>>10154080
Good to see you guys here, Sarahbros.

[Anonymous No.10160185]

>>10150620
>>10150914
>>10151172
>trying too hard on a piss easy game like Shining Force II
Original formation is the ideal way to play.

[Anonymous No.10160243]

>>10160185
you can play however you want. some people like working harder for less returns. do you.

[Anonymous No.10160295]

>>10159991
Sarah is best healer.

Here is American Sarah. I think.

[Anonymous No.10160312]

>>10160295
Looks more like Bowie, Taya, and Eric, even if that makes less sense.

Side note: I generally hate on American box-art, but I just learned that the Phantasy Star IV art was done by Boris Vallejo. Presumably they just gave him barely any guidelines to work with. I wonder if any Shining covers were actually done by big-names.

[Anonymous No.10160315]

>>10160295
Very tasteful art.

[Anonymous No.10160317]

>>10160312
For some fucked up reason I adore the PSII burger cover.

[Anonymous No.10160349]

>>10160295
as we've already established, she isnt even the best healer in her own game.

[Anonymous No.10160367]

>>10160295
Hey for 1990s game art it's amazingly accurate.

[Anonymous No.10160375]

>>10160295
Feels like it belongs to an alcohol bottle.
>>10160367
>american art
Chaz looks like a fully grown man
>japanese art
Chaz looks like a girl
This game deserves a better cover.

[Anonymous No.10160519]

>>10160315
What game is this from?

[Anonymous No.10160525]

>>10160367
90s box art is awesome

[Anonymous No.10160531]

Shining in the Dark was the awesomenest name for an RPG
then I found out the original japanese title was Shining AND the Dark
braah miss me wts

[Anonymous No.10160646]

>>10160519
Shining Force 3 Premium Disc, It's from the model viewer. If you didn't know the entire SF3 trilogy and premium disc have been translated to english, and is fully playable.

[Anonymous No.10160715]

>>10160312
Oh wow thats cool. Who do you think drew the shining force 2 box art?

[Anonymous No.10161461]

>>10160715
>>10160312
Valjo did a few Sega boxes during those days. Golden Axe probably being the most obvious.

[Anonymous No.10161473]

>>10160715
>Who do you think drew the shining force 2 box art?

I know the first game, as well as a few others was by Mick McGinty. He did some of the Streets of Rage as well as Street Fighter boxes.

[Anonymous No.10161889]

>>10161461
>Thunderhead even has a Golden Axe
Respect to Boris for putting in effort.

[Anonymous No.10163450]

>>10161461
neat shit

[Anonymous No.10163552]

>>10146028
Surely you are not refering to bezel overlay added by whatever emulator he is using (MD Mini ?) as "walls", do you ?

[Anonymous No.10163575]

was thinking about replaying SF2 again
but then I remembered I really struggled with the difficulty when I was younger

I wonder if it's one of those games that's much easier when you play it as an adult

[Anonymous No.10163581]

>>10151172
>NOT healing in order to get "le epic master monk" with super stats
what's this now?

[Anonymous No.10163672]

>>10153947
never played SF2, her portrait i saw years ago online made me think she was a little girl with how cute her face is. please tell me she is really older looking like that and is smoking hot

[Anonymous No.10163789]

Should I start with Shining Force 1 or skip to the cool-looking Saturn versions?

[Anonymous No.10163825]

>>10163789
The only games you can skip are Gaiden 1+2 since their content is remade in Shining Force CD anyway. Play in the order
>SF1
>SF:CD
>SF2
>SFG:FC
>SF3 (All three parts)
I would recommend to emulate them in Bizhawk so you can set a fast-forward button to speed through the enemy turns. Bizhawk happens to be able to play Mega Drive, Mega-CD, GameGear and Saturn games.

[Anonymous No.10163843]

>>10163825
Thanks for the order, anon.
Regarding the emulator, I think I'll stick with my old Gens, which might have turbo hotkey, IIRC.

[Anonymous No.10164356]

>>10163825
>>10163843
After 2 battles in SF1 I think I'll skip the games up to the Saturn.
The first game looks like a solid, pretty, average and stiff tactical with a limited gameplay.

[Anonymous No.10164362]

>>10146018
>weird-ahh border
>game uncentered within border
>non-integer unfiltered scaling
What's YOUR fucking problem?

[Anonymous No.10164721]

>>10164356
SF1bros...

[Anonymous No.10164728]

>>10163575
its definitely a lot easier than you think. also, you can just egress and redo a fight if you feel like you're struggling and behind, so you can grind exp. i can think of 3 spots where things might be difficult.
1) the kraken fight, but mostly only because you skipped the other 2 fights to the east of it on accident
2) the chess fight. this one is comes at an awkward time where you may have hit 20 and wanted to promote already but havent really gained levels afterwards, or you're pushing past 20, and again, dont have the jump in stats from promo weapons or levels. also the setup can be a bit daunting.
3) northern parmecia, but pretty much only if you havent promoted yet.

[Anonymous No.10164734]

>>10164728
egress-grinding always felt so awkward to me
(also remind me, were there a small number of re-doable fights, or is my child brain making that up)

How far to I play the promotion min-maxing thing? How hard is it to make it to 40 before promotion

[Anonymous No.10164763]

>>10164734
you can egress at any time during a fight with either the angel wing item or using the main character to cast egress. fights are either "kill them all" or "if you kill this one general dude (who might be a regular goon, not necessarily a unique character with a portrait and stuff) all of the enemies die and you win". if you leave at least one monster, or the general dude, alive you can egress and walk back to the battle. there are a couple of battles that you can manually retrigger by walking over certain tiles in the overworld.

at level 20, you can promote. and you keep leveling up to 40 if you want, slowly gaining stats. WHATEVER level you promote at, the game will internally reset its perception of the character to level 20 (stats stay the same though). what this does is allow you to earn more experience from monsters. if you are pushing level 25, but monsters are only giving 1-5 experience, if you promote, the game treats you as level 20 again. so you can farm that same fight for a good 5 levels again until you've "caught up" with the game. reach level 40 (which is around the nazca ship and return to grans) and you have 20 levels of catch up you available to you. it can definitely be pretty hard to do it. the game kind of "expects" you to have promoted, so it expects the increased stat growth (and new weapons) that comes with that. monsters hit harder, have higher defense and health. its definitely doable, but its pretty tough. i dont think its doable without egress grinding to stay pushing the experience limit though.

[Anonymous No.10164776]

>>10164763
so would you recommend just promoting at 20?

[Anonymous No.10164797]

>>10147439
But I do! Logan ran proudly, carrying his heart and all of the nation's, he ran, far, tirelessly, he did it all for us. Just for ingrate fools like you to disdain him.

[Anonymous No.10164846]

>>10164776
i've played the game enough times that i know what im doing, what characters dont suck, and what to expect out of the battles. i usually push for at least 30.

however, what kind of stats do you even gain on a level up? pre-promo, you gain just about 1 to everything across the board. occasionally 0, and occasionally 2. so really, we're only talking ~20ish extra in stats if you push to 40, on top of the massive hassle. it doesnt exactly make the game "easier" to push ahead without promotion. if you hit the cap and then promote, and then grind the fuck up, THEN its a lot easier, but you still put in a LOT of work to get that far, you know what im saying? i wouldnt bother pushing more than 25-30 if you just want to play the game and enjoy. if you really enjoy the grind and min-maxing, have at it though. if you want to do it early-ish, just dont bother promoting AT creed's, because theres no weapon shop there to take advantage of. either do it before you go in, or wait until after.

[Anonymous No.10164852]

>>10164776
>>10164846
oh also, you cant even reach 40 until like 75-80% of the way through the game.

[Anonymous No.10164921]

>>10164797
lol nigga plz be quiet

[Anonymous No.10165082]

>>10164921
I will, but because Logan taught me to win my enemies not with words, but with heart. I would appreciate now if you shook your head and said: "What us humans have been doing all this time?!"

[Anonymous No.10165097]

>>10160646
Does this mean I HAVE to get a Saturn now?

[Anonymous No.10165228]

>>10163581
He says that a turn spent bonking someone is a turn not healing someone. Which is dumb, as MP pool is limited early on and often it's better to heal someone later, both for conserving mana and netting more experience out of it. Though later on, it's better to heal someone every turn even if for 0 HP, because you won't get to use up all of the mana during the battle, so it's basically free 10 exp every turn.

[Anonymous No.10165253]

>>10164356
The second battle is a notorious slog due to the chokepoint in the mountains. You should give it at least another two battles and get to Rindo. IMHO the game gets good late Chapter 2/Early Chapter 3, about an hour of play.

[Anonymous No.10165595]

How much hp should tort have before I promote him?

[Anonymous No.10166057]

>>10165228
>it's better to heal someone later, both for conserving mana and netting more experience out of it
getting more experience out of it stops happening eventually, but even then, the extra experience is like 4, so you get 14 instead of 10.
whats ACTUALLY dumb about using sarah, the fragile healer, the healer with shit for attack and damage options, to attack a monster, is taking up an adjacent slot to a monster instead of letting an actual fighter do the work. you cuck your own fighter out of the ONLY means they have for experience, and you risk letting the monster get a second turn before dying.

[Anonymous No.10166073]

>>10165253
there are a LOT of battles in sf1 with stupid chokepoints, and slogging through whole maps of forest/mountains. sf2 has like... 2 deserts. every other map can pathways for quicker advancement, or least breaks up the forests with open bits, so you arent stuck for 6+ consecutive turns just trying to push forward.
>>10165595
kiwi (the default name of the tort) isnt really that good. i dont think his hp ever really gets higher than like 40, so he can pretty easily just get 1 shot by magic for most of the game. promoted, he does get a neat little "i dont care about terrain" semi-flying movement, while still taking advantage of land effect defense modifiers, and he will occasionally belch flames for a magic attack of his own, but its really just not worth it. its entirely your call when to promote him, because the real limiting factor is his attack growth, which just isnt good enough pre-promo, even WITH the power ring (unlike peter and gerhalt).

[Anonymous No.10166076]

>>10166073
I suppose there are, now that I think about it. I still think it's worth it, though.

[Anonymous No.10166085]

>>10166076
yeah, i still like the game. it just has some unfriendly flaws, like item management and map design. all of that is fixed in 2 though. one thing about playing the first one is that you appreciate it being fixed in 2 all the more!

i think the tone of the music, the enemy design, and some of the unique locations (especially near the end of the game) give it much more serious feel, while the second game is a lot more cartoony feeling.

please dont bring up character differences though. they are almost equal, and 2 arguably has MORE variety, depending on how you characterize things. both have great rosters.

[Anonymous No.10166172]

>>10166057
Wow.

You must really like Sarah as a character with all that pent up criticism.

[Anonymous No.10167321]

Need more Sarah

[Anonymous No.10167365]

I just started the first game and had one of my guys get instant killed in the first battle.
Does this game have permadeath?

[Anonymous No.10167367]

May is the cutest by far

[Anonymous No.10167371]

>>10167365
no. whether you egress or win, you just talk to the priest and raise them. costs like 10gp (maybe 100? i forget) per level they are.

[Anonymous No.10167412]

>>10167367
Horsefucker

[Anonymous No.10167528]

>>10167412
at least she's cute, unlike some dumpy elf.

[Anonymous No.10167535]

>>10161461
Always liked this one, and in this case it matches the style of the game.

[Anonymous No.10167563]

>>10167367
>>10167528
For me, its Janet. Fuck what you guys think.

[Anonymous No.10167757]

>>10167528
Don't like about Karma like this!

[Anonymous No.10168072]

>>10148509
I NEED her honut

[Anonymous No.10168182]

>>10148509
max is either a faggot or there is something super wrong with her to have faked his death to avoid getting that horse pussy

[Anonymous No.10168202]

>>10160295
Wrong. Freja is the best healer. He learns aura 4 all he does it just stand still and heals the full force effortlessly.

[Anonymous No.10168503]

thinking about buying the sega genesis classics collection but heard that the input lag is terrible

I know this is an SRPG but

[Anonymous No.10168507]

>>10167563
Shining has such good girls you really can't go wrong

[Anonymous No.10168519]

>>10168507
Why were so many GBA games interested in adding card shit

[Anonymous No.10168543]

>>10166085
I would agree that both have great rosters, I just personally prefer SF1's design. Not sure why. So long as you don't try to defend Neo's designs, we're good.

[Anonymous No.10168545]

>>10168519
Executive mandate.

[Anonymous No.10168616]

Ahem. Allow me to introduce you to the best girl in the series.

[Anonymous No.10168753]

>>10168616
its just a shame that you get her so late and it takes SO FUCKING LONG to max out her spells.

[Anonymous No.10168840]

>>10168519
Yugi-oh and Pokemon card boom.
Sega at the time was also making a ton off their own arcade card games (Key of Avalon, Mushiking, Love and Berry, etc)

[Anonymous No.10168876]

>>10163552
Damn you are fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.10169823]

>>10163552
>MD Mini ?
Nah I wish. It's the crummy Megadrive collection on Steam. Worse than using my own emulators, but it was cheap and some of these games I've never legitimately payed for so I felt like I had to play in it at least a bit.

[Anonymous No.10170168]

>>10168616
>Zoophile opinion
Into the trash it goes.

[Anonymous No.10170398]

[Anonymous No.10170984]

wtf

[Anonymous No.10171365]

>>10152369
>Shinig

[Anonymous No.10171713]

is there a guide that shows missable items/secrets in chronological order

[Anonymous No.10171780]

>>10146425
Not anymore

[Anonymous No.10171789]

>>10171780
wot do you mean

[Anonymous No.10172007]

>>10171713
i dont think theres anything missable in sf2 since you can backtrack whenever. if you want a guide for all items anyway, you can use https://sf2.shiningforcecentral.com/guide/game-walkthrough/ and cross reference with any of these: https://sf2.shiningforcecentral.com/items/

for sf1, this guide seems pretty good. http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/genesis/shiningforce/walkthrough.shtml
it might miss some of the secret and useless items though, but you can specifically check for them here: http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/genesis/shiningforce/items.shtml
you can also use https://sf1.shiningforcecentral.com/guide/game-walkthrough/ and cross reference with https://sf1.shiningforcecentral.com/items/

[Anonymous No.10172009]

>>10171789
Ok tranny

[Anonymous No.10172019]

I wish the Tengu Project team (Pocky & Rocky Reshrined) would be given full reign to remaster the original Shining Force series. It needs nothing more than a simple visual refresh, and native support for modern platforms. Literally the only RPG series worth a damn.

[Anonymous No.10172173]

>>10171713
>>10172007
The guides misses out on something very important in SF1. You have to buy Power Spears ahead of the time for Kokichi, Vankar, Guntz and Earnest if you plan on using them. You can't get back to the weapon store after they join. Same with a Guardian Staff for Alef but a mage can possibly get by without weapon.

[Anonymous No.10172178]

>>10172173
You can always swap a weapon from one of your knights they would end up replacing, unless you are doing a challenge of using all of them.

[Anonymous No.10172209]

>>10153269
10 was good though imho.
8 is one is don't like much... i guess it's ok for some casual OP plays, but to me it is the weakest of the PSX era...

[Anonymous No.10172289]

>>10146028
from this perspective, the floor is more likely to be lit than the walls are

[Anonymous No.10172712]

>>10172173
thats not missing any secrets or items though.

[Anonymous No.10174441]

[Anonymous No.10175820]

>>10174441
So iconic he went to Mugen.

[Anonymous No.10176984]

okay but for me? it's the monks.

[Anonymous No.10177238]

Tfw you gotta conserve MP.

[Anonymous No.10177781]

>>10177238
I fucking love when Sarah does critical hits in the game. Its fucking hilarious.

[Anonymous No.10177884]

I kept saying no to this question when I first played SITD.

[Anonymous No.10178051]

>>10148509
best girl

[Anonymous No.10178716]

What is the Mithril item in Shining Force CD for?

[Anonymous No.10179698]

Kino.

[Anonymous No.10179773]

How's that SFII 3D remake coming along?

[Anonymous No.10179837]

>>10171365
god damn this made me laugh, anon

[Anonymous No.10179991]

>>10179698
>give chicken sitting on box on left some feed & sneed
>follows me around the train until the battle starts
>battle completes, start chapter 3
>he's fucking there hanging out with crew in our base
utterly, disgustingly based tbqh. why did I wait so long to play this masterpiece

[Anonymous No.10180694]

[Anonymous No.10181045]

>>10179991
>>give chicken sitting on box on left some feed & sneed
Because you're a fucking moron.

[Anonymous No.10181998]

cute horse

[Anonymous No.10182503]

>>10181998
"mae" is the knight from the first one. "may" is the centaur archer from the second one, in your picture. you might want to change your file name.

[Anonymous No.10183712]

In my first playthrough of SFII Karna got so ridiculously overpowered that all of her stats were ?? and she basically soloed the last few fights (and the bonus fight)

Sarah was significantly worse but still like, top five

[Anonymous No.10183995]

>>10182503
Meh

[Anonymous No.10184050]

>>10183712
if you did that much grinding, the massive difference between them is because karna earns exp at like 5x the rate sarah does. frayja and sheela can do it do, all earning 49 experience a turn. sarah is stuck capping out at 10 once monsters no longer give experience. sheela takes a little bit more of a deliberate setup, but it can still be done.

[Anonymous No.10184081]

>>10153215
Damn we just found the single phantasy star 3 fan in all of existence

[Anonymous No.10184096]

>>10184050
I did actually zero grinding. I was just diligent about buffing.

[Anonymous No.10184108]

>>10184081
I like it too...

[Anonymous No.10184345]

>>10184096
if you apply boost, yes the stats can easily go over 100. i thought you meant base stats being that high, which takes a ridiculous amount of grinding.

[Anonymous No.10184387]

Funny horse legs

[Anonymous No.10184452]

>>10184081
Possibly!

[Anonymous No.10184481]

>>10184452
>>10184081
I don't know if I'd say I like PS3 so much as I like the idea of and ideas around it. It's a very fascinating topic and on paper it sounds like it could have been amazing. It's also a prime example of why I'm so annoyed when I see people asking to remake 4, because 4 is already a great game, you don't need to redo 4. Remake 3 and actually give it the time it needs to cook. Well, Mieu is cute anyways. I wish she were my robo milf nanny potential love interest.

[Anonymous No.10184625]

>>10184387
Looks like Tenchi Muyo art

[Anonymous No.10184626]

>>10184481
I still wanted a Generations IV but II wasn't so great. Idk, I love IV so much I wanted it anyway

[Anonymous No.10186205]

Missed opportunity.

[Anonymous No.10186370]

Am I safe to promote at level 15 in Shining Force 3? Or should I go further?

[Anonymous No.10186491]

>>10186370
Only if your brain can handle reloading over and over again for a non guaranteed single stat point for 5 more lvls.

[Anonymous No.10186985]

>>10184345
I did mean base stats. Her base stats got that high because I was diligent about buffing, which gives a ton of experience. She was gaining like two or three levels a fight; I had her capped at level 40 for awhile because she hit 40 well before I was able to promote her to MM and then she ended the game at level 41 (pic related).

Her stats were high enough that I had to stop buffing her because she'd get the agility bug if I did. I actually had a couple of characters with this issue, but it happened to her first.

[Anonymous No.10187027]

>>10186985
Damn, congrats.

[Anonymous No.10187240]

Centaur monk when

[Anonymous No.10187275]

>>10186985
you pushed to level 40, and then you pushed to level 40 AGAIN. sir, that is the definition of grinding. to you either redid fights a lot, and/or extended them SOLELY to burn out her mana. you can get a vigor ball in the elven town (before even getting her), or wait until sheela's dojo (which is right around when fighters can hit 40). assuming you missed the elven town vigor ball and waiting for the dojo one, to grind out to level 41 during the remainder of the game means that you gained 41 levels over the next 9 fights, which would mean 4.5 levels per fight if done evenly. that is not a normal amount. that is not "diligence", that is deliberately extra.

[Anonymous No.10187296]

>>10178716
Nothing, there's a handful of useless items in the third scenario like that

[Anonymous No.10188180]

>>10187275
This argument plays out so often in the discussions on SF2 and it always goes the exact same. New players end up with Karna being absolutely busted at the end of the game and people who have played the game fifty times wonder how that's possible. It's very simple: If you don't already know the path of least resistance through the game (i.e. you have played it 50 times) you end up using Karna for a lot of stuff, which means she gets several levels per fight basically no matter what. That's also true if you are forced to abandon a fight because she gets a whack of experience at the start of every fight.

As I said, I didn't push to level 40. By the time I was able to promote her - I'd already promoted Sarah - she was level 40 and would have been a few levels higher had she not been capped.

Towards the beginning I was definitely burning out her resources every fight on purpose but that stopped being feasible towards the end. One big flaw in your math is that I definitely repeated at least a couple of the fights towards the end of the game because it was my first time playing and I didn't really know what i was doing. I know for sure that I had to do the last boss at least twice, for example.

[Anonymous No.10188309]

>>10167321
I just realized that only the Japs design their Elf chars with these strange sideway ears, is there any reason for them doing this in such way?

[Anonymous No.10188875]

>>10188309
they're handles.

[Anonymous No.10189294]

>>10188180
i accept your concession.

[Anonymous No.10189525]

>>10188309
It makes them more immediately visible

[Anonymous No.10189587]

>>10188309
Was really common to have different ears in the 80's and 90's anime stuff. See Ryoko.

[Anonymous No.10190107]

[Anonymous No.10190170]

>>10190107
I wish we had a higher quality version of this.

[Anonymous No.10190323]

>>10190170
I wish we had higher quality of a lot of the art.

[Anonymous No.10190654]

>>10150641
FUCK YOU YOGURT
USELESS PIECE OF SHIT
I WASTED SO MANY HOURS AS A KID TO UNLOCK YOU
AND YOU'RE A FUCKING TROLL CHARACTER

REEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.10190751]

>>10190654

[Anonymous No.10190884]

Sarah at least is an actual character.

[Anonymous No.10191010]

>>10190884
which really isnt saying much. lemon, peter, rhode, frayja, slade, and zynk all have more actual character and plot relevance. jaha has just as much. kazin, sheela, luke, and screech come in just behind. the rest of the cast dont really have a special presence. her character is just an annoying bitch too.

[Anonymous No.10191025]

[Anonymous No.10191107]

I just want to say that I great appreciate /vr/ for managing to have Shining threads on a fairly consistent basis that live for multiple days before dying, often coming with new content I don't find anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.10191201]

next time, lets talk about odd-eye.

[Anonymous No.10191219]

>>10191107
The Sarah fan boy mostly kept this thread alive lol.

[Anonymous No.10191324]

So, any good romhacks for either game?

[Anonymous No.10191329]

>>10191219
mae/may fanboys are more tolerable because they're actually attractive, unlike dumpy sarah.