/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10136996]

Is it actually worth it to get into shmups?

[Anonymous No.10137003]

>>10136996
>viper phase 1
>layer section
>stellar assault
>gunbird2
>sengoku ace
>blazing mother fucking star
>literally ANY cute em up
yes

[Anonymous No.10137004]

Fuck off with this thread faggot you autistically post this thread dozens of times on /v/ with this exact same picture KILL yourself with these cross board posting troll threads

[Anonymous No.10137009]

>>10137004
that image is the first image that comes up when you search shmup..

[Anonymous No.10137012]

>>10136996
No, nothing is actually worth doing.

[Anonymous No.10137029]

>>10136996
yes if you like them. no if you don't. /thread

[Anonymous No.10137030]

Donpachi is pretty easy to clear but one of the hardest to chain.

[Anonymous No.10137048]

Worth playing a little for fun, not worth sinking tons of hours into

[Anonymous No.10137101]

STGs are really fucking fun.
Flying around in a spaceship to awesome music, blasting the shit out of everything, never being more than an inch from death but somehow surviving. So cool.
The initial learning curve is really rough but if you can get past it you'll have some of the best gaming of your life.

[Anonymous No.10137274]

>>10136996
They're ok, I'm sure you'll find a couple you can tolerate playing long term. I did

[Anonymous No.10137638]

>>10136996
i think 1943 nes was the first one i ever played and ive been hooked ever since

[Anonymous No.10137645]

yeah they're fun They're the only games I deem safe to play in public. real crowd pleasers

[Anonymous No.10137652]

>>10136996
>Is it actually worth it to get into shmups?
It's amazing watching someone play it live in an arcade. Pure skill.

[Anonymous No.10137658]

>>10137012
based

[Anonymous No.10137667]

>>10136996
Hey OP. You may want to check the current /shmupg/ thread to see if any of the games interest you >>>/vg/441309323

What I can say from experience is shmups are a fun genre, but not every single shmup is going to be a slam dunk. If anything they are more of a fun distraction from your mainstream platformers and action games, not the main course. Recommend starting with something simple and easy like Twinbee or Gun Nac, or maybe one of the Touhou games.

>>10137003
Best thing here is Sapphire imo. Also Stellar Assault is a very good game but it's not really a shmup

[Anonymous No.10137675]

>>10137004
based

[Anonymous No.10137701]

>>10136996
Anyone who uses autofire in these games is pathetic. True Champs play it in original format.

[Anonymous No.10138109]

>>10136996
Play them casually, pick the easier ones for starters. Maybe you'll fall in love with teh games

[Anonymous No.10138117]

>>10137701
What if the game already has autofire as a default?

[Anonymous No.10138123]

>>10138117
Then that's fine, they clearly intended for you to use it.
>inb4 muh autodemo [citation needed]
>inb4 muh real Nipponese use autofire
>inb4 "shitter shitter shitter noclears shitter"

[Anonymous No.10138134]

>>10136996
it's worth playing the few good games the genre has to offer yes, but dedicating yourself to that and playing shpoops more than any other genre is cringe

[Anonymous No.10138136]

>>10138123
Fair enough.

[Anonymous No.10138847]

>>10137701
arcade games in general, but especially shmups, were designed with autofire in mind. it is pretty obvious to all here that you don't actually play shmups if you rebuke autofire.

[Anonymous No.10138852]

>>10136996
run and guns are where it's at brother

[Anonymous No.10139928]

>>10138852
shmups are harder and have more interesting mechanics and actual scoring

[Anonymous No.10140148]

>>10138852
I wish there were more of them outside of the usual Contra and Metal Slug games. My favorite is probably The Terminator for SEGA CD, but I also really like what I played of Rapid Reload on PS1.

>>10139928
I agree that they're harder for sure. It would be really cool to see some of these mechanics (like bonus points for grazing a bullet) in other genres like platformers.

[sage No.10140161]

people need to read at least the first couple replies before they keep bumping >>10137004

[Anonymous No.10140293]

>>10140148
Some other good run and guns:

In The Hunt
Gunforce 2 (1 is okay)
Blue Dolphin
Demon Front
Tiger Road
Sunset Riders and Cowboys of Moo Mesa
Makaimura and Daimakaimura
Mercs
Aliens Arcade
Out Zone and FixEight
Shock Troopers
Spin Master

[Anonymous No.10140491]

What are your (honest) thoughts on Dangun Feveron?

[Anonymous No.10140497]

>>10140491
Overrated. CAVE trying to relive their glory days, but it's just soulless slop. Just stick to Toaplan if you want that gameplay style.

[Anonymous No.10140560]

>>10136996
as opposed to what? improving your social life? exercising? playing an instrument? living life? no obviously not even close.

[Anonymous No.10140985]

What is it with trannies and bullet hell games? The bullet hell community is absolutely infested with them and they cause endless drama. They're also massive pieces of shit that won't share rare games online when they come into possession of them so no one else can get a higher score than them.

[Anonymous No.10140996]

>>10138134
So is your entire generation worshipping billionaires that dont help anyone in America, yet you dumbasses do it anyway

[Anonymous No.10141016]

>>10138117
>What if the game already has autofire as a default?
If the original version released has no autofire then that's fine. But the almost all schmup games in the 80s and 90s didn't have autofire. Only hackers added then later.

[Anonymous No.10141030]

>>10140985
Wtf am I looking at. Troon t cells fighting off an infection in the mutilated space they call a vagina

[Anonymous No.10141032]

>>10140560
Playing an instrument is the exact same kind of autistic bullshit that's pretty much useless in the real world.

[Anonymous No.10141037]

>>10137667
you did NOT just talk shit about seibu bitch
viper phase 1 SLAPS
dont @ me

more recs:
nebulas ray
metal black
aleste series
silpheed
kolibri
dodonpachi daioujou

[Anonymous No.10141204]

>>10140985
>they won't even share r@re games online
The fuck you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.10141213]

>>10141204

[Anonymous No.10141272]

>>10141213
You fucking idiot

[Anonymous No.10141291]

>>10141204
He’s probably referring to how the ROM of Saidaioujou hasn’t been released except in that butchered romhack form. If I recall, this is because they don’t want to devalue the few PCBs that still exist (even though it’s a moot point because at this point any retard could get a modded 360 and play the game on there for less than $200)

[Anonymous No.10141320]

>>10141291
卍

[Anonymous No.10141337]

>>10138847
>arcade games in general, but especially shmups, were designed with autofire in mind. it is pretty obvious to all here that you don't actually play shmups if you rebuke autofire.

If it doesn't have autofire in the game, then it obviously wasn't "designed with autofire in mind". Obviously.

[Anonymous No.10141345]

>>10141291
The non hacked SDOJ ROM was released ages ago.

[Anonymous No.10141363]

>>10141345
I thought that was a restorative romhack using 360 assets?

[Anonymous No.10141381]

>>10141363
No, the proper ROM is out there, rename it to the Daifukatsu one to play it in MAME

[Anonymous No.10141392]

>>10140985
>What is it with trannies and bullet hell games?
I don't know, I don't interact with communities, instead I just play the games and enjoy myself

[Anonymous No.10141718]

>>10141363
Actually based on NESiCA

[Anonymous No.10141728]

>>10141718
SDOJ wasn’t released on NESiCA.

[Anonymous No.10141789]

While most old shooters, especially 80s shooters, were designed for mashing, not autofire, mashing is a literal health hazard, so fuck that. Even for some of those 80s games, when they were brought to home console had autofire added. Hellfire's port is as early as 1990 and has autofire.

[Anonymous No.10141803]

>>10137667
>shmupg
the last time i visited that general, it was just discord drama and no shmups

[Anonymous No.10141814]

I'm the only one on /vr/ who prefers classic shmups (Galaxian, Scramble, Phoenix) over the flashy shit we have today.

[Anonymous No.10141882]

is gradius a good shooter to start?

[Anonymous No.10141909]

>>10141882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inx4lgjmLHg

[Anonymous No.10142019]

>>10141337
Japanese cabinets had autofire circuits. You are a clueless shitter with zero clears, just leave.

[Anonymous No.10142035]

>>10142019
>Japanese cabinets had autofire circuits.
Those were third party hack add-ons made by no name companies looking to make quick money. Sega, Namco, SNK, etc...never endorsed them. They were NEVER part of the original design of the cabinet.

[Anonymous No.10142086]

>>10142035
Which is why all the record keeping authorities in Japan allowed autofire? And why external autofire was used in attract screens? And why almost all arcade ports had autofire?

You're a dumb shitter, just leave. The autofire "debate" was settled over 30 years ago.

[Anonymous No.10142094]

>>10141814
no. a lot of people like both types but there's has always been a subset of players who only like classic shooters or maniac shooters only.
i'm not that case but by the demographics here there is people here who only like older shooters.

[Anonymous No.10142156]

>>10142086
>And why external autofire was used in attract screens?
Prove it

>And why almost all arcade ports had autofire?
We aren't discussing ports.

[Anonymous No.10142216]

>>10142156
I'm not wasting my time spoonfeeding a nonplayer troll. Ports needed autofire because they didn't have it at home. PC Engine had autofire by default, NES Advantage (literal stick for shmup/arcadey games) had autofire, almost all supergun sticks had autofire, etc.

[Anonymous No.10142235]

>>10142156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1-hz3ZixGE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0etDXNTMAzE
super players (real ones on real arcade machines while being accepted by the devs as legit) use autofire, if that isn't enough proof that autofire was the norm then you are a retard.
this is a 1998 game, here's an attract screen of a 1990 game which is a reflection of autofire use: https://youtu.be/6Co0l0bzNu0?t=74
raiden fighters jet and fireshark doesn't have autofire normally so you would have to break your finger to play them without the autofire, these games are literally designed to use autofire modified by the arcade operator to increase or decrease difficulty and by knowing that most of them had these devices on their machines they wouldn't waste dev time programming the function.

[Anonymous No.10142242]

>>10136996
Back in my day we'd just play the god damn spaceship game instead of asking on the internet first

[Anonymous No.10142308]

>>10142235
sorry for putting a shitty video of the attract screen, i will put a real version which shows proof: https://streamable.com/iyn557

[Anonymous No.10142343]

>>10142235
don't*

[Anonymous No.10143605]

>>10136996
yeah it's pretty good genre. You don't have to be insanely good at them. The genesis and pc engine are a good place to start with stuff like Gleylancer, thunder force 3/4, and musha, and for pc engine air zonk, blazing lasers, or soldier blade. It's okay to use continues and autofire just starting out and try to have some patience. Stick with the game for a couple hours before trying the next one.

[Anonymous No.10143608]

>>10142235
We are not talking about games that already have autofire built in where you hold the button and it shoots for you.

We are talking about games that do not have autofire installed.

[Anonymous No.10143635]

>>10143608
both of those games don't have autofire installed, they have two button inputs.
retard

[Anonymous No.10143640]

>>10136996
SHMUPS get better the older you get. When you want to sit down and play a game for a little bit while getting the full experiece out of a game. It's the genre to do that with.

[Anonymous No.10143642]

>>10143608
Not him but you should stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.10143653]

>>10143635
Raiden has autofire.

[Anonymous No.10143670]

>>10142235
You are wrong. You hold down the fire button and it continuously shoots for you. That's part of Raiden. Even I did that in the arcade version of Raiden. I remember many hours playing in the landromat Raiden arcade cabinet with holding the fire button down.

>>10143608
>We are not talking about games that already have autofire built in where you hold the button and it shoots for you.
>We are talking about games that do not have autofire installed.
Exactly. We are talking about games that specifically didnt have autofire and you had to tap the button manually to fire. Raiden is not one of those games. That anon must haven't played Raiden in a long time. His memory is bad.

[Anonymous No.10143674]

>>10143653
>>10143670
no dude. raiden fighters jet and raiden og are different games, in raiden fighters jet when you do that you charge an special shot, in raiden fighters jet there isn't an autofire.

[Anonymous No.10143686]

>>10143674
here's proof: https://streamable.com/yunyhl

[Anonymous No.10143689]

>>10142235
Nothing in those videos say autofire. You can tap the button quickly to shoot fast.

[Anonymous No.10143705]

>>10143689
dude, i was holding the entire
>>10143689
retard, that level of fire is only achieved by literally using autofire at 15 hz, the main game even if it let's you shoot some consecutive shots they don't go to the level that dvd has, mixing this with the time they are doing this speed consistently and without changes shows that those dvd use autofire.

[Anonymous No.10143710]

>>10143705
sorry for the double message, i was thinking that you were talking about the video i sent.

[Anonymous No.10143723]

>>10136996
check this game out, you'll thank me later!

[Anonymous No.10143725]

>>10143723
excellent game.

[Anonymous No.10143746]

>>10142235
>Toaplan
There's an interview where one of the devs explicitly states that V.V/Grindstormer was the first game they made with autofire. Autofire completely breaks Zero Wing by making green homing comically overpowered.

[Anonymous No.10143772]

>>10143746
Zero wing has autofire on his home versions made by toaplan, toaplan themselves wanted to have autofire, it's just that they fucked the green power up, the destruction of green is caused by it having fucked shot limit values rather than being the cause of autofire (other shots have shot limits, green can be spawned infinitely), in general saying that zero wing having a bug with autofire means that they didn't intend to use it would be like saying that because same same comes to a point where the game instakill you means that all toaplan games should have light speed bullets and was their original intention.

[Anonymous No.10143780]

>>10143772
wanted the use of autofire*

>>10143705
this with the fact that he is doing this shot speed*
shows that the dvd uses*

[Anonymous No.10143808]

My children, let me show days of old with the NES (or Famicom) game, GUN NAC!

[Anonymous No.10143812]

>>10143808
awesome game, pretty sad that the game is so rare tho

[Anonymous No.10143958]

This one autofire anon is missing the point. He said these 1980s ane 1990s games were designed with autofire in mind by the developers. That is simply not true. Many 1980s games malfunction with autofire running.

And even if the game can forced to use autofire with Mame that doesn't mean "it was designed to use autofire". It simply means you are forcing the game to shoot that fast. Either through Mame, another emulator, or a 3rd party device that is NOT endorsed by the developer.

Sure autofire became a thing later on (like with ports), but the developers themselves during the 1980s and 1990s (up to the mid 90s) did not make their original releases for autofire.

The only way anon can disapprove this is by providing us direct interviews from the 1980s with developers making their games with autofire. Preferably from a name brand studio.

[Anonymous No.10143962]

>>10143958
>Many 1980s games malfunction with autofire running.
citation needed

[Anonymous No.10143968]

>>10136996
How do i know what is the optimal way to play them with arcade rules? Infinite lives is a mindless bore and trying to 1CC them is not an option.

[Anonymous No.10143969]

Any other casual console shooter gamers? I consider them beaten when I beat the default difficulty on 1cc. I might play hard if I REALLY like the game.
I don't care if the arcade version is considered better by someone who has thousands of hours put into the game.

[Anonymous No.10143980]

It's a slippery slope that starts with ikaruga and ends up with you trying to speed run bullet hell shooters while you're high on estrogen and poppers.

[Anonymous No.10143983]

>>10143958
Autofire became increasingly prevalent in the mid-late 80s with autofire circuits in Japanese arcades. Autofire wasn't the only way to play the game, but developers knew that a large portion of the Japanese playerbase (and vast majority of superplayers) were using autofire and they balanced their games around it, showed autofire in attract screens, and controllers for shmup/arcadey games had built-in turbo. By the 90s, autofire was basically universal.

And regardless of developer intent, the shmup and arcade community has collectively decided that mashing is awful for numerous reasons, so the collective decision was to allow autofire in all forms.

[Anonymous No.10144032]

>>10143958
only space invaders or games with limited shot limits break off, everything else after 1984 was made for autofire thanks to those games and people using it for certain fun experiences, the first games broke off then they were balanced thanks to autofire being a quality of life enhancement which makes the game more comfortable to play for both devs and players.
the single fire games couldn't be cheated most of the time tho, most of them have 1 shot limit and are based on having a lot of damage in one shot rather than being based around constant focus, they are different experiences which use different points and in both cases in most machines didn't affect the experience and made it better, even if it was to a much lesser extent on classic shooters.

[Anonymous No.10144035]

>>10144032
i should have removed space invaders, that game doesn't break off with auto, it's just a very situational tool.

[Anonymous No.10144047]

>>10143983
>Autofire became increasingly prevalent in the mid-late 80s with autofire circuits in Japanese arcades
Prove it.

At best you can prove autofire add ons existed.But you don't have evidence of them being wide spread or "prevalent". That requires hard data which you don't have.

[Anonymous No.10144050]

>>10137003
Is Sapphire that good? I feel like people elevate it because it's a rare, expensive game

[Anonymous No.10144061]

>>10143958
a) mashing is not a relevant skill for anything besides party games.
b) mashing is not a fun or enjoyable game mechanic for vast majority of players.
c) mashing is awful for your hand, your wrist, and your input device.
d) mashing is exhausting especially for longer sessions.
e) mashing is less viable on controller and keyboard compared to a stick/cabinet.
f) vast majority of games have fire rate caps well beyond human levels (15Hz, 20Hz, 30Hz).
g) many games feature shot limits which are only relevant at speeds which can only realistically be achieved with autofire. getting in close proximity to an enemy allows you to pointblank them, leading to risk/reward gameplay.
h) many Japanese cabinets even in the mid-late 80s had autofire circuit and developers knew this (attract screens would feature inhuman levels of autofire). Also, PCE (shmup-heavy platform) and NES Advantage had built-in autofire in the mid 80s
i) autofire is the Japanese standard (and has been for many decades) adopted by vast overwhelming majority of the Japanese arcade/shmup scene, and even a large majority of western players.
j) emulation, along with almost all future ports, support autofire.
k) autofire creates consistency across runs and consistency within competition.
l) autofire is openly stated when a run is recorded, and mashing scores are separated (depends on the game, many have scores merged).
m) mashing is an unfortunate relic of the western shmup scene. western arcade gaming was viewed as a mindless quarter muncher and featured stand-up cabinets, low-quality sticks and buttons, button mashing gameplay, non-default dip switches, and oftentimes neutered/unbalanced western ports. in comparison, Japanese arcade gaming was viewed as an art-form and a display of mastery with sit-down candy cabinets, high-quality sticks and buttons, autofire circuits (many with dials for different autofire rates), default dip switches, and the authentic Japanese version the developers intended.

[Anonymous No.10144063]

>>10141789
This. There's a reason why NEC started including turbo on the included controllers in 1989. Even in the 80s people knew continuously mashing a button 10 times a second for hours isn't fun

[Anonymous No.10144065]

>>10144047
As a former part time arcade worker when I was high school, we definitely didn't use these things in Western arcade cabinets. And we probably provided most of the revenue for Japanese arcade companies.

[Anonymous No.10144069]

>>10144047
>heh, autofire was prevalent on consoles, was prevalent throughout arcades with autofire circuits, was shown in attract screens, and was the standard for all WRs logged by JHA, but you don't have yearly autofire audits of thousands of arcades from the 80s so you're wrong!

[Anonymous No.10144071]

>>10144065
>And we probably provided most of the revenue for Japanese arcade companies.
lol delusional. arcade scene (especially for shmups/run and guns) was way, way bigger in Japan.

[Anonymous No.10144075]

>>10141789
>While most old shooters, especially 80s shooters, were designed for mashing, not autofire, mashing is a literal health hazard, so fuck that.

Finally someone admits that old shooters were meant for mashing. I personally don't care if you use autofire. But at least you know gaming history.

[Anonymous No.10144079]

>autofires in you are path

[Anonymous No.10144080]

>>10144071
During peak of the arcade era Worldwide sales far surpassed Japan-only sales. This was both true for Japanese consoles and arcades.

[Anonymous No.10144090]

>>10144050
The first stage is ridiculous fun and has a Bladerunner cyberpunk theme. It’s a good game.

[Anonymous No.10144105]

>>10144080
Yep. The only reason Sega became so huge was because of sales from North America and Europe.

[Anonymous No.10144106]

>>10144080
maybe for goyslop games, but run and guns and especially shmups were much bigger in Japan, and had a much more serious scene than the mindless quarter muncher throwaway entertainment mentality of western arcade gaming

[Anonymous No.10144112]

>>10144105
They did pretty decently in Japan during 5th gen considering the Saturn outsold the N64. But of course both got BTFO by the PS1

[Anonymous No.10144115]

>>10144071
>lol delusional. arcade scene (especially for shmups/run and guns) was way, way bigger in Japan.
This is such a lie. You don't know anything about gaming history. The Western Market was vastly bigger than Japan.

[Anonymous No.10144124]

>>10144115
Not for the games we are discussing here. West was big in the golden era, and then in the 90s a lot of fighting games, a lot of lightgun games, a lot of racing games. Ask a western player about an arcade shmup, and like 90% of them have only ever heard of Raiden (and like 1% of them could even get past stage 2 on a single credit)

Run and guns, shmups, and beat em ups were much bigger in Japan, and the serious community was like 50x bigger in Japan, whereas western players just viewed it as disposable entertainment

[Anonymous No.10144139]

>>10144124
>Run and guns, shmups, and beat em ups were much bigger in Japan
The shmup community may have been more concentrated and together in Japan due to the country being smaller. But they were not bigger than America and Europe put together. Western markets were vastly bigger and operated on a completely different scale. The West could buy cabinets faster than Japanese companies could make them. Shortages happened often due to Japan not having the infrastructure to fully mass produce cabinets to meet Western demand.

[Anonymous No.10144141]

>>10144139
citation needed

[Anonymous No.10144146]

>>10144139
not for the genres we are discussing you stupid fucking retard. shmups were an extremely niche genre in the west. Japan and the west played totally different genres.

[Anonymous No.10144181]

>>10144141
>citation needed
You need a citation for the West buying more than Japan? You don't need a Citation. You need a history book. You arent qualified to even be in this discussion. Do more research anon.

[Anonymous No.10144185]

>>10144181
lol, you're a fucking dumbass

[Anonymous No.10144268]

>>10144061
>mashing is not a relevant skill

stopped reading there
Get good

[Anonymous No.10144272]

>>10144268
saying "button mashing is not a skill" is the exact same thing as zoomers make all them stupid claims thread after thread because through the years the standards got lower

[Anonymous No.10144307]

I've played all sorts of Famicom SHMUPs, early and late ones, and the only one that felt like it was designed for auto-fire was Hector 87, which coincidentally was released at the same time as the first Famicom auto-fire controller and was advertised alongside it.
In that game, during the vertical segment, when you know what's coming, you have JUST enough time to get by killing half of the enemies WITH auto fire.

this also means that any Famicom SHMUP before Hector could not have been designed with autofire since it didn't exist

[Anonymous No.10144313]

>>10144272
>>10144268
And then in 1987, NES Advantage came out, PC Engine came out (a true shmup machine with a controller with built-in autofire), and PCB autofire circuits started gaining popularity in arcades.

Japanese did this out of necessity, but as soon as autofire came out, it quickly gained traction and they never turned back. Very strange that western players pride themselves in mashing like a spastic. It's so funny when you see stuff like Tetris and Contra NES records being about who is able to mash fastest instead of who actually has good routing and strategy.

[Anonymous No.10144320]

>>10144313
We aren't talking about consoles ya dumb butt.

[Anonymous No.10144325]

>>10144313
Because autofire was a thing doesn't mean all games after that were designed for it. If you keep on the Famicom example, for the longest time only 1-2 companies factured the autofire controllers, so it's not like other companies would want to sell products for their competitors.

Being able to press buttons fast, consistentally and for a long period, is a skill that used to be the norm for those games so they were designed around the idea that any SHMUP player should be able to do at least 8-9 BPS.
The modern take is to think this means "it was designed for auto fire" because that skill has been long lost long the years, it's the exact same thing as people claiming "this action sidescroller was made bullshit on purpose because of rentals", that is to say a revisionist cope, a generalization made out of a couple of examples

[Anonymous No.10144326]

And the autofire autist ruins another perfectly good thread. He's like the KOOL Aid man. You mention the word autofire and he shows up and yells at everyone who doesn't use it

[Anonymous No.10144357]

>>10144325
It was a skill for a few years in the early-mid 80s, and then there is 30+ years of precedence that it is no longer a relevant skill. There are still some separated leaderboards if you feel inclined to mash like a spastic.

the thing is autofire players have zero issue acknowledging they use autofire and separating the leaderboards. it's only mashing retards that screech and cry about how autofire is cheating and it shouldn't count at all. It's just a coping mechanism for being shit at the game so you latch onto any advantage you can, even if the other players literally don't even care at all about how good they are mashing, so it's basically just a competition with yourself.

[Anonymous No.10144360]

Using autofire when the developers did not intend can allow you to skip mechanics and phases of battles that would be far more odious without it. I’ve looked up videos for plenty of “high scores” by well known YouTubers that have runs that are simply not possible in the arcade because they used autofire.
Autofire should not exceed what is humanly possible with your body.

[Anonymous No.10144363]

>>10144357
Irrelevant. We are talking about official arcade releases of games that did NOT have autofire. Games required pure skill. Then you came jumping into the thread screeching about autofire and insulting everyone who didn't use it. Everything else you are talking about is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10144391]

>>10144357
If companies wanted their games to have autofire then they would put autofire in them. Unofficial Mods don't count. It's like saying Street Fighter 2 Rainbow Edition is the best version of Street Fighter because of autofire. So dumb.

[Anonymous No.10144395]

>shmups :\
>shmups, cute anime girls with funny hats :0

[Anonymous No.10144421]

>>10144363
>>10144391
you have zero clears lol

[Anonymous No.10144462]

I'm definitely not trying to go for world record scores, so for me it totally depends on the game. For Darius Gaiden, the default fire rate is more than enough to get you through the game if you know what you're doing, so for me I don't need Turbo to beat the game. That goes for a alot of run n gun games like Metal Slug. The game is totally beatable without autofire.

[Anonymous No.10144691]

>>10144421
You talk like a person with autism. Have even beaten a Shmup or Run & Gun without autofire?

[Anonymous No.10144696]

>>10143808
I leaned about this game through the Famiclone handheld from Five Below, sadly it's not in the newer version but it's super fun

>>10144395
Cute 'em ups are easily my favorite shmups, whether it's Twinbee, Parodius, Cotton, Keio Flying Squadron, or Super Air Zonk. Just so much more fun to look at imo

[Anonymous No.10145467]

>>10144691
Autism is still insisting on mashing tens of thousands of times an hour when everyone else already moved onto autofire. And then you're so proud of mashing like a spastic, you go online and troll dozens of threads about how autofire is cheating. Get a life man, do something productive

[Anonymous No.10145775]

>>10145467
Half the thread is telling you that you are wrong. We know it's you samefagging because as soon as you go to bed, the thread goes back to normal and all samefagging stops.

[Anonymous No.10145798]

>>10145775
>one samefagging spammer
>half this thread
Lol, lmao even

[Anonymous No.10145821]

>>10145775
You can tell it's the same anon because he always says autofire circuit and gets upset when anyone insults Japan.

He's a weeb.

[Anonymous No.10145827]

Another thread proving that shmupfags are deranged

[Anonymous No.10145858]

>>10136996
The only shmup series I got into is Touhou, everything else is way too hard.

[Anonymous No.10146224]

Yea

[Anonymous No.10146239]

>>10145827
Why are you trying so hard to dab on one genre? Did you get bullied by shmup fans in school?

[Anonymous No.10146248]

>>10145858
>>10146224
Try Star Parodier or the Twinbee games on lowest difficulty

[Anonymous No.10146251]

>>10146239
Nah I like shmups, I just don't make it my personality like some insane furry.

[Anonymous No.10146270]

>>10146248
No, thanks, for me it's the bug princess.

[Anonymous No.10146281]

>>10146224
>>10146270
What's that, too tough 4 u?

[Anonymous No.10146291]

>>10145858
Touhou is harder than quite a few console oriented shooter series. Have you played the Aleste games?
Though for a bullet hell series, I guess not too many are easier than Touhou.

[Anonymous No.10146296]

>>10145821
Yep. He always says the same thing.

1. Autofire circuit
2. Random Button mashing insult
3. Japan is best
4. Random Boomer insult

Then he'll fill a thread with samefag insults.

[Anonymous No.10146320]

>>10146281
I 1cc'd it, retard.

[Anonymous No.10146326]

Mushihimesama Futari is really fun on normal difficulty.
>>10146224
>>10146270
This sort of thing is an eyesore though. I like graphics in my shooters.

[Anonymous No.10146332]

1CC claims on this board are the lmao 3plate of /fit/

Everyone says they do it, no one ever proves it

[Anonymous No.10146342]

>>10146332
It is pretty funny how many hardcore shmup masters there supposedly are on this board. It isn't hard to grab a screenshot if you've done it. For the record, I've never 1cc'd an arcade shooter in my life.

[Anonymous No.10146345]

>>10146332
Cope. The first Mushihimesama isn't even that hard unless you go with ultra mode.

[Anonymous No.10146352]

>>10146342
It took me a about year of playing a round or two daily. Anyone can do it. Just play the damn game.

[Anonymous No.10146385]

>>10146352
I plan on giving one or two I really like a serious go in the near future.

[Anonymous No.10146427]

>>10146385
It's very rewarding, I still remember the first time I got to the credits. Just pick a game you like and stick to it. I played some other games to mix it up sometimes but only occasionally. A round or two a day for a year is barely 200 hours total, totally doable. I'm not even very good at video games.

[Anonymous No.10146471]

>>10146427
Yeah, I've 1cc home console shooters and touhou games before, and it feels great to win. I just haven't had the dedication to seriously try an arcade one yet. The difficulty increase is not insignificant. Will likely be something easy (though not just because easy, I love the graphics and aesthetic) like Batsugun.

[Anonymous No.10146742]

>>10146342
>>10146352
>>10146385
>>10146427
How the fuck are you this incompetent? I can understand having few clears due to lack of play because the games are boring, but a whole damn year for a fucking shitclear? Get outta here

[Anonymous No.10146770]

>>10144061
based

[Anonymous No.10146868]

>>10137003
Translation NOW

[Anonymous No.10147168]

>>10146742
We have a videogame savant here.

[Anonymous No.10147192]

no wonder this genre is dead lol

[Anonymous No.10147827]

>>10146742
>1-2 runs a day
>why does it take a year
hurr

[Anonymous No.10147829]

>>10146742
get a job

[Anonymous No.10147857]

>>10147827
30 minutes of practice a day for a year is still 180 hours you dumb shitter retard

>>10147829
I have a full time job, and yet somehow it still takes you retarded neets way longer to do basic shitclears.

[Anonymous No.10147903]

>>10147857
I already did the math, nigger. You sound srlty mad. Are you OK?

[Anonymous No.10148214]

>>10145467
No one cares about Japan.
No one cares about your YouTube channel with no subscribers.
No one in Japan cares about you.
You will never live in Japan.
You will never be Japanese.

[Anonymous No.10148224]

>>10148214
no one cars about you smashing a button and causing you injuries, because nobody cares it's much better to enjoy the moment and use autofire.

[Anonymous No.10148236]

>>10148224
cares*

[Anonymous No.10148237]

>>10148224
Stop trying to tell people how to play a game.
If they want to use autofire then fine.
If they don't want to use autofire then fine.
Let people enjoy things the way they want.

[Anonymous No.10148243]

>>10148237
i'm telling you that you are a retard by causing yourself an rsi that you can stop by using autofire.

[Anonymous No.10148267]

>>10148243
They're probably just trolling. No one who isn't mentally ill in some way wants to repeatedly mash a button literally 30 000 times per hour

[Anonymous No.10148281]

>>10148243
>>10148267
What are you? The button police? Stop telling people how to play the game. This is why no one likes you.

[Anonymous No.10148353]

It's fun to watch these threads. I get to see all the old /shmupg/ baits, that haven't been effective there in years, posted by the exact same tired losers, used on people who haven't seen them yet. It's like watching a new generation of kids discover old video games, only tragic and sad instead of hopeful and nostalgic.

[Anonymous No.10148362]

>>10148281
we aren't telling you to do it just that you are a retard by your choice.
>>10148353
i just like to answer these things just in case it isn't ironic, i know that it can be dumb but it's still useful when there's a case when someone really believed the things they were saying.

[Anonymous No.10148441]

>>10148362
>we aren't telling you to do it just that you are a retard by your choice.
>we
YOU spent half the thread insulting anyone who doesn't use autofire. Stop lying. And stop telling people how to play games. Let people enjoy what they want.

[Anonymous No.10148582]

>>10137701
For fuck sake. Why did you bring that up? Nobody was talking about auto-fire. You've basically summoned the autist.

>>10138847
>>10142019
>>10142086
See. Here he is. He's on every thread and always derails it because he has to defend his 1cc collection. It always ends up being 40 people arguing with him and he thinks it's one guy.

He always says "you've got zero clears", and "but what about Japanese record keeping authorities" and has the Hz fire rate of every shmup memorised. Its ridiculous how any time anything arcade/shmup related comes up, he will inevitably pop up and start arguing about auto fire. If he doesn't bring it up, someone else will.

I wish he'd just fuck off, but in the meantime, you guys could just also shut the fuck up about auto fire. Who fucking cares? I want to talk about shmups.

[Anonymous No.10148946]

>>10148582
>I wish he'd just fuck off, but in the meantime, you guys could just also shut the fuck up about auto fire. Who fucking cares? I want to talk about shmups.

I'm not going to be a coward just because of one retarded anon. I refuse to treat him like the boogie man. He's an idiot. If he monitors every thread like you say then there's no point in using your strategy either.

[Anonymous No.10149041]

go play mars matrix

[Anonymous No.10149048]

>>10136996
Consider the following:

No.

[Anonymous No.10149091]

>>10137012

[Anonymous No.10149354]

>>10148582
>I wish he'd just fuck off, but in the meantime, you guys could just also shut the fuck up about auto fire.
We don't negotiate with t3rror1sts.

[Anonymous No.10150353]

>>10148441
i'm just telling you that you are retarded for not using autofire, in general getting angry by that is like getting angry when someone tells you not to drink bleach when you are trying to, it's just an advice from a retarded practice except on certain games like space invaders or galaxian (just like using bleach on a toilet, not on your mouth)

[Anonymous No.10150369]

>>10150353
>i'm just telling you that you are retarded for not using autofire,
No one else here cares.

[Anonymous No.10150720]

>>10150369
ok. if you want to improve tap firing use two fingers and tap by doing a swiping motion to shoot if you are playing on an arcade stick, if you are playing on a controller you are shit out of luck.

[Anonymous No.10151436]

>>10148237

[Anonymous No.10153206]

>>10150353
>>10150720
Fuck off loser. Noone cares about what you think, noone cares about your clears.

Fucking kill yourself, noone will miss you, your family will dance on your grave. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.10153351]

>>10137004
LOLMAO

are you just now noticing that OP here is always an annoying ass idiot?

[Anonymous No.10153604]

>>10149041
I prefer Mars/Deimos rising to that.

Also Parodius.

[Anonymous No.10153673]

>>10153604
You wouldn't if you played Mars Matrix.

[Anonymous No.10153692]

>>10151436
Wtf is this nigger tier cropping

[Anonymous No.10154775]

>>10145858
Try GG Aleste, it's a bit simple but you should be able to handle it as long as you've got the right weapon. It's fun!

[Anonymous No.10154790]

>>10145827
We are, potentially even worse than fightanfags.
Constantly at war with each other, mouthbreathing retards as you can see for yourself.

[Anonymous No.10156845]

>>10136996
Always

[Anonymous No.10157209]

What are some cute shmups?

[Anonymous No.10157227]

>>10157209
Twinbee!

[Anonymous No.10157480]

But how do I acquire proficiency at the execution of the gameplay activity?

[Anonymous No.10157540]

>>10137003
>sengoku ace
more like sengoku blade. sengoku ace is gay and one of the worst psykio games.

[Anonymous No.10157545]

>>10157540
Sengoku Ace mogs the shit out of Blade. Blade is ugly, slowdown ridden, retarded second loop design where you don't even kill enemies, and it's a hori that utilizes zero features of a hori.

[Anonymous No.10157946]

>>10157209
Twinbee series, Parodius series, Cotton series, Star Parodier, Air Zonk and Super Air Zonk, Harmful Park, maybe a few others like Twinkle Star Sprites and Captain Tomaday

[Anonymous No.10157950]

>>10157946
And somehow I forgot my favorite one

[Anonymous No.10159382]

>>10157480
Use save states, multiple per level, learn every section and a good route through them, practice a lot, only play one game, until you've met every goal you wanted to and move onto the next, but don't do another game until you have at least 150 hours into the first one, of course find a game you really like first, if you can do all that then you can worry about scoring system strategies.

[Anonymous No.10159402]

>>10157480
Also, practicing for an hour or two here and there is a lot easier if you turn the sound down some, and listen to your own music, or watch a movie or something, I suppose its like practicing a part on an instrument. You just have to put the work in. Console shmups make this easier too, with more options and difficulty levels, but no save states. Although some have good training modes. Also there is no shame in pausing and writing down notes. This can help expidite the whole routing thing.

[Anonymous No.10159413]

>>10157480
Also, study into the game a bit, Battle Garegga will seem impossible if you don't read up on it first. Its like if From Soft made a 2d shmup. You are punished for everything.

[Anonymous No.10160054]

>>10136996
So is this the official "you start a shmup thread using this" pic? I see it all the time starting these threads.

[Anonymous No.10160101]

>>10160054
thankfully the /vg/ autism has been quelled compared to how bad it was a few years ago.

[Anonymous No.10160362]

>>10159382
>>10159402
I'm not gonna play for score.
Just to be able to finish something harder than the easier dariusburst route,.
Will not be playing on emu, so savestates are a no go.
Current target is just managing to survive well in tf ac

[Anonymous No.10160364]

>>10136996
Yes

[Anonymous No.10160815]

>>10136996
>Is it actually worth it to get into shmups?
fuck yes.
> donpachi
it took me such a long time to get good at this game

[Anonymous No.10161623]

>>10146427
Your gif reminds me of those color switching Hot Wheels. I liked those

[Anonymous No.10162041]

>>10146427
Sauce for the gif?

[Anonymous No.10162107]

>>10146427
>>10162041
Nvm found it: https://www.deviantart.com/ssack11/art/Hijiri-Byakuren-646649647

[Anonymous No.10162732]

>>10137003
was playing gunbird 2 on my dc earlier today,
loved it, wish i could play it more but i only have a vga crt monitor atm.

[Anonymous No.10163625]

Space Harrier is liked here right?

[Anonymous No.10163639]

>>10136996
get into pinball instead

schmups are long dead

the current GOAT pinball table is less than two years old, and more are being made

[Anonymous No.10163692]

>>10157950
Could this get released today? Imagine how journalists would react to a game with a cute little girl wearing a playboy bunny costume

[Anonymous No.10163795]

>>10163692
The second game is worse in that regard if you watch some of the later cutscenes (some very weird dialog in there which is assuming why it never got a North American release). If they can get away with giant mermaid breasts in Shantae though then it should be fine

[Anonymous No.10165710]

Any shmups with RPG elements?

[Anonymous No.10165720]

>>10165710
>>10165710

[Anonymous No.10165735]

Can anyone point me to a working ROM for Dodonpachi III? Also apparently Daioujou isn't the master ROM anymore

[Anonymous No.10165751]

>>10165710
Not many, thankfully.
Keep jarpig cancer away from good genres.

[Anonymous No.10166810]

>>10136996
Truxton, Truxton, we want Truxton.

[Anonymous No.10166825]

>>10165710
Radiant silver gun

[Anonymous No.10166891]

>>10165710
Guardian Legend, if you count Zelda as an RPG. It was similar to Zelda but with shmup levels instead of dungeons.
Sigma Star Saga had shmup random encounters which were pretty bad. It was an ok game but not worth it from a shmup perspective.