/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10132885]

Are there any PAL games superior to the NTSC versions?

[Anonymous No.10132886]

Yes.

[Anonymous No.10132893]

>>10132885
>25fps
Anyway, PAL ISS 2000 has a campaing mode

[Anonymous No.10132904]

>>10132885
Only if they're PAL60. Standard PAL with 50hz output is trash by default.

[Anonymous No.10132916]

>>10132885
Wipeout3 comes to mind

[Anonymous No.10132917]

>>10132885
Ico
Shadow of the Colossus had some tweaks and added details too but it didn't make a huge difference, but it's why they used the PAL version when doing the remaster

[Anonymous No.10132919]

>>10132885
Ape Escape, the anglo dub. Specter is cool and the voice clips for the double jump, taking damage, and capturing the monkeys are satisfying as hell

[Anonymous No.10132929]

>>10132885
>Are there NTSC games superior to the PAL versions?
That’s how the question should’ve been since almost all PAL games are superior

[Anonymous No.10132934]

>>10132929
>50hz
cringe

[Anonymous No.10132935]

Reminder that out of all the "original hardware is superior and emulation doesn't feel right" autists, half of them are actually played PAL console games

[Anonymous No.10132947]

>>10132885
Any game originally developed with 50hz in mind
UmJammer Lammy - no retarded religious censoring, game is optimized as well
Apparently ZoE2 was optimized for 50hz for PAL release and has a more stable framerate than the 60hz version

Those are the only cases not already mentioned I can remember other than minor stuff like Xbox having the ability to use PAL colors with 60hz signals (not outright using NTSC) thus making PAL copies that support the latter marginally better, or ocasional region-specific versions of games with extra stuff like some PAL copies of SotC, Ico, Silent Hill 2, Xenosaga 2, etc.

[Anonymous No.10132954]

>>10132935
nope

[Anonymous No.10132956]

>>10132885
I think the PAL version of GT2 is supposedly better because it has less bugs/issues.

[Anonymous No.10132958]

>>10132885
Games from European developers.
They clearly would have made the games with 50 Hz and more accurate color output in mind.
There are zero Japanese/NA games that are better in the PAL version, those changes/adaptations were always afterthoughts or non-existent (Sonic running like ass comes to mind).

[Anonymous No.10132963]

>>10132956
yeah the memory card issue exists in the ntsc version, but the US soundtrack is a lot better if you ask me

[Anonymous No.10132967]

>>10132904
There is nothing wrong with 50hz, if the game was made for it. Admittedly most games where coded for 60hz.

[Anonymous No.10132975]

>>10132929
This.

>>10132934
Each frame being bigger and showing for longer allows the refined & intellectual PAL gamer to savour each and every facet of the world the developers have created, immersing themselves in a pure sensory bliss. Low IQ Americans, on the other hand, lack focus and require constant stimulation (due to being raised on diet coke rather than breast milk), resulting in their games being rushed, unfulfilling experiences that are over almost as quickly as they've begun.

[Anonymous No.10132998]

>>10132975
it's not bigger, it's higher resolution

[Anonymous No.10133036]

>>10132885
this isn't what they looked like. they were seen on illuminated phosphors which did not map directly to pixels

[Anonymous No.10133039]

>>10132954
Yes, yes they do. I see them firsthand in my country. They "collect" and "hunt" games just like their favourite e-celebs except it's all PAL trash. Even national e-celebs use PAL trash in their videos.

also you can clearly see them and their collection pictures on /vr/ quite often

[Anonymous No.10133046]

Ape Escape's PAL version has better voice acting, especially from Specter.

[Anonymous No.10133053]

The pal version of Syphon Filter games run faster for some reason and the movement feels smoother

[Anonymous No.10133080]

>>10132998
You misunderstand, NTSC pleb.

PAL pixels are absolutely 17.3% larger, making the CRTs in PAL regions proportionally bigger and significantly superior to your 3rd world junk.

Not only that the audio encoding in PAL-B broadcast is actually 44.1khs digital audio and has been since the 1970s. Don't you get Dolby Atmos on free to air? You need to move to a PAL region too.

The best part of being in a PAL region is actually hidden due to a CIA conspiracy though. PAL encoded radio waves are knoen to cure CANCER. Just look at the statistics of incidents of all kinds around the world.

Even Mario runs faster in PAL versions, unlike Sonic because he's a commie. WAKE UP people you have been lied to for so long.

[Anonymous No.10133117]

>>10132885
PAL Luigi's Mansion is vastly superior due to them finishing the Hidden Mansion before its release, making it a proper remixed hard mode and not just you take 2x damage but do 1.5x attack. Thankfully there's a PAL60 patch.

[Anonymous No.10133159]

>>10132885
F1 championship sega genesis is a bit smoother
The 5 or so sega megadrive games that use the full pal rez but they do run slower
>for nes
Dragons Lair - has faster animation and if you play it on an ntsc nes you get even better animation
Rainbow islands is completely different
Battletoads they fixed a 2 player bug but it will crash an ntsc nes
Kirbys adventure has less slowdown but the screen scrolls slower

>>10133039
Majority of pal nintendo and sega 8 and 16 bit games run full speed on an ntsc console anyway

[Anonymous No.10133167]

>>10132885
The Zool series is literally unplayable on NTSC machines because of how uncontrollably fast it is. There are a few other Amiga games/ports like this

[Anonymous No.10133218]

>>10133080
>PAL pixels are absolutely 17.3% larger
Pixels do not have a size. They are point samples.

[Anonymous No.10133223]

>>10133167
It's already unplayable for other reasons (in all regions).

[Anonymous No.10133238]

>>10133218
Aaaargh another conspirator.
Get behind me liar!

[Anonymous No.10133245]

>>10132885
Gex: Enter the Gecko and Gex 3: Deep Cover Gecko

[Anonymous No.10133254]

>>10133218
Dude you have been duped. That's how they trick you into buying your tiny 80" displays, by telling you "its all relative point samples man"

>>10133238
Don't worry, anon 1 obviously doesn't know the difference between metric and imperial pixel units. What do you expect from one in an NTSC region?

[Anonymous No.10133278]

>>10132885
No. As Victoria Nuland once said "Fuck the EU".

[Anonymous No.10133345]

>>10133167
>uh mee gar
Irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.10133378]

If it's not 30->25 but 60->50 I don't mind. But most games run at half rate making 30 a second the smallest tolerable rate. Often they're also direct slowdowns which sucks

>>10132935
>half of the people played on the system half of the countries use
This says so much about society

[Anonymous No.10133383]

No related to the format but because the release date gap was large games got more optimized in general. Final Fantasy had the international versions that are better.

[Anonymous No.10133663]

>>10132885
> 50hz
No, but crash team racing was finally finished in Europe and Japan. There are some great 50-60hz patches for genesis and snes games for the few exclusives like Rugby or cricket games.

[Anonymous No.10133718]

MediEvil on PS1 was developed for 50hz pal and just sped up for 60hz NTSC.

I think most people would agree that the spastically fast animations resulted in some unintended charm, but if you see a side by side of PAL and NTSC, PAL definitely looks more "realistic".

[Anonymous No.10133769]

>>10133718
Which did the remake replicate?

[Anonymous No.10133831]

Rare example of a game that's only possible because of PAL.

[Anonymous No.10133837]

>>10133831
Was possible on ntsc, but starting pal made it too much of a hassle to port. Still, it's basically the definitive version.

[Anonymous No.10133873]

Sage

[Anonymous No.10133971]

Americans are weird

>Keep the hyperviolence, but the cussin has to go.

[Anonymous No.10133980]

>>10133971
>Muh Murricans
Oi guv, got a loisence for that there telly?

[Anonymous No.10134043]

>>10132916
25fps for racers is hot trash

[Anonymous No.10134154]

>>10132885
Luigi's mansion

[Anonymous No.10134180]

>>10132885
Dragon's Lair on NES

[Anonymous No.10134181]

>>10133245
/thread

[Anonymous No.10134184]

>>10133980
Yeah, I got that loicense since I made a written declaration not to boycott Israel like a good FREE man would. Free of foreskin I mean!

[Anonymous No.10134204]

>>10133980
Oi bailif u ain't cumin in me owse, oi betcha facking fowzend paud u don't get past me bruvva

[Anonymous No.10134251]

>>10132916
If you're referring to the Europe exclusive expanded rerelease, it's not that great because the content is pretty mediocre and isn't really worth playing at 25 fps. I would rather race around in Gare D'europa in the original Wipeout XL.

[Anonymous No.10134947]

>>10132967
>There is nothing wrong with 50hz
If you're used to 60hz or above, it hurts your eyes since you can see the refresh more easily. It looks like it's flickering

[Anonymous No.10135593]

>>10134947
>>10133254
This, essentially. The extra FPS in NTSC is little more than a lucky break though

It's a well-known fact in the broadcast biz that the FCC pig shunners divided up and rent out the useful radio frequency spectrum to the highest bidder. This preexists any vidya consoles. It is a matter of plain greed that they took the original PAL spec and literally gutted it by removing the chrominance channel just to squeeze more paying broadcasters in. In fact, extra FPS of NTSC was basically visual artefacting but you can't really tell the difference if your eyes are too close together. The most damming bit for those old enough to remember was to have to use a thing called V hold just to stabilise the picture back in the day before TV's learned to cope with this new bastadised standard.

[Anonymous No.10135596]

[Anonymous No.10135621]

>>10135596
Odd you should mention this game.

I only got overweight when living in an NTSC country and playing it a lot. I'm not saying that it was having to watch the extra 20% of frames while eating dinner and playing, but I had to do something while it was happening and eating more somehow seems the obvious outcome so it would be imprudant not to at least acknowledge the relationship between these factors.

[Anonymous No.10135638]

>>10135596
It plays better as Roll Away. The only thing the PAL version did better was the title. Same goes for B-Movie/Invaders from Beyond

[Anonymous No.10135727]

[Anonymous No.10135913]

>>10135593
One thing you left out was the lack of scan lines in early PAL displays. There simply is no need for them owing to the higher resolution. Even relatively low resolution Commodore 64 games like Arcadia and BC Bill looked more like games on oled screens and were effectively unable to be replicated on NTSC systems and still remain playable. It didn't take long for Japanese manufacturers to cave into the demands of their American overlords though. By and by they installed aperture grilles or similar tech to recreate scanlines on PAL sets. This was done largely in order to prevent the masses from knowing what they were missing out on and demanding similar tech which would both shatter the illusion of US world dominance and simultaneously reduce their HFCS usage in the chaos

[Anonymous No.10135960]

>>10135913
What are you even talking about mate
Being PAL or NTSC still has scanlines

[Anonymous No.10135982]

>>10132885
With a pal, you're never alone...

[Anonymous No.10136130]

>>10135593
I feel like I'm replying to bait here...
NTSC color predates PAL as we know it today. NTSC and PAL both have similar bandwidth for chrominance, they both chose to use a standard based on full luma, half color so they only needed 2 channels instead of 3. The difference is that with NTSC there was an issue with signal propagation and the color would drift in a way that was impossible to detect and correct leading to the necessity of a tint control. PAL was ratified later and so they corrected the flaw and this allows PAL color to be more accurate and richer.
The V-hold tweaking was due to 60Hz vs. 59.94Hz. Pre-NTSC black & white broadcasts were 60Hz, allowing for variations in broadcast equipment. But due to interference from the color carrier signal it was decided to "slow down" the FPS to 59.94Hz so that the color carrier didn't cause ugly rolling interference. If your TV didn't do it automatically then if you swapped between different channels you might have to adjust V-Hold. In PAL color & B&W were both the same 50Hz so there was no issue. Again, lessons learned.
This tends to be the pattern throughout history. America moves first and has to support an inferior standard for a long time. Europe/Japan move second and get a superior standard at the expense of losing out on 1st mover advantage. America makes all the money up front then slowly bleeds it out accommodating their flawed system for decades, Europe makes less money but gains the cheaper, easier to maintain system with more adaptability.

[Anonymous No.10136146]

>>10135913
PAL still has scanlines. On an early enough CRT with plenty of blooming they can be harder to see, but when you're comparing non-interlaced 240p to 276p they are definitely more visible.
Also remember that 625i PAL vs. 576i NTSC is more recent relatively speaking. We didn't bust out the gate at 625i, there were other line counts that faded away as we settled on UHF nationwide. 625i was certainly preferable over the far more prominently scanlined precursors.
And well, shadow mask displays were by far the most common. Only Sony could make Trinitron and they certainly sold by the container-load in PAL territories because people liked the sharpness and brightness, scanlines and 50Hz flicker be damned. Later when the patents expired and all the other manufacturers started making their own Aperture grills we were into the digital age so they were mostly 100Hz and progressive scan displays with digital upscaling.

[Anonymous No.10136217]

>>10136146
>On an early enough CRT with plenty of blooming they can be harder to see
All my friends had old shitty TVs so I remember being surprised by the scanline filters in emulators in the late 90s. It looked cool but nothing like how I remembered it, reminded me more of computer terminals in movies.

[Anonymous No.10136420]

>>10132885
robots >> humans

[Anonymous No.10136437]

Try playing Power Strike 2 in 60hz, you're not gonna have a good time

[Mort the chicken No.10137423]

Crash 2 pal is that good shit. I ain't fucking with Crash 2 NTSC, he is too damn slow (just like me)

[Anonymous No.10137629]

>>10136420
Funny enough you play the game on a ntsc system then it runs just like original contra release

[Anonymous No.10137769]

>>10136420
Getting mixed messages here.
Do they expect me to play this on a Dendy or something?

[Batowl No.10137794]

Bug fixes for pal too

[Anonymous No.10137928]

>>10132885
>NTSC 24.5 fps
>PAL 29.95 fps
and that's all you need to tell to some fags so they lose their mind
>play dead or alive NTSC is slow as fuck
>play dead or alive PAL wait a second this one runs faster ...you lied to me /vr/
60 fps and up don't exist the human eyes can only see up to 29 fps and nothing else.
>100 fps would mean being able to see a rifle bullet trajectory without issues and being able to evade it.
>60 fps would mean being able to see a 9mm bullet trajectory without issues and being able to evade it.
>no one has done that to date so is proof enough.
if you want to argue murricans post a video here of evading a bullet with laser scope to make sure is pointed straight.

[Anonymous No.10138131]

>>10136130
>>10136146
Definitely bait anons or more like satire. It's a bit of truth is mixed with some wild bullshit for some harmless fun, if this meme post >>10135621 wasn't obvious enough

[Anonymous No.10138154]

>>10137928
>post a video here of evading a bullet with laser scope to make sure is pointed straight.
Yeah give me a few hours, I'll get my bulletproof vest and my PAL to come over.
A few broken ribs is a small price to pay, for SCIENCE!!!

[Anonymous No.10138221]

>>10136420
Based robot enjoyer

Homo US niggas will genuinely claim oiled up muscles has shit on chromed steel

[Anonymous No.10138237]

>>10137769
There were two pal/eur regions, PAL-A and PAL-B and they are region locked
>The 3 types of NES game cartridges, or carts for short, are:
>1) NTSC, oval label, NES-xxx-USA or NES-xxx-CAN (possibly others)
>2) PAL-B, round label, NES-xxx-EEC or NES-xxx-SCN or …FRA, …NOE, etc. (a lot of others)
>3) PAL-A, round label, NES-xxx-UKV or NES-xxx-GBR (possibly others)
https://tetrissuomi.wordpress.com/english/identifying-pal-or-ntsc/

[Anonymous No.10138324]

>>10138237
Ok I'll take the bait only because this fake news gets repeated a lot by people who actually believe it. Ellipse Nintendo quality seal on a PAL cart (sticker version)

[Anonymous No.10138325]

And print version of ellipse seal on PAL cart

[Anonymous No.10138357]

>>10138325
You know the seal of quality is a sun, right?

Bet you never noticed the similarity to the Mattel logo that sits right beside it. That's right, the round version of the Nintendo seal is the same.
Both have 33 points on the sun outline.

Freemasons have a few common signs and seals, of which the sun is well known and the number 33 is one of the commonest. They love to put their grubby fingerprints on basically everything.

Sorry if your support of an insidious secret society ruins your childhood memories like it did for me.

[Anonymous No.10138424]

>>10137928
Real life isn't measured in frames. When you have an interactive medium unlike movies you do need a higher frame rate.

[Anonymous No.10138439]

>>10132885
yes, mostly games made in the pal region. for instance, rareware games. the games were made using the pal standard, they hacked the game to speed it up slightly for ntsc (ntsc which have a lower resolution if the pal game uses the extra available resolution). dkc games are better on pal for instance. the ntsc versions are inferior.
I think naughty dog made pal optimized games too.

there's a few.
japanese games are probably always garbage on pal before the gamecube era, fuck them.

[Anonymous No.10138632]

>>10132885
Did any games ever used full PAL resolution?

[Anonymous No.10139076]

>>10138324
explain THIS then faggot, mattel AND round nintendo seal of quality logo on PAL-A nes game, let me spoil it for you, ur fagot

[Anonymous No.10139237]

>>10138439
Rare games on NES are definitely not optimized for PAL. They even made games only released in the US.

[Anonymous No.10139481]

>>10132885
the 3 unique tracks in the PAL version of Tony Hawk's Skateboarding were better than the 3 unique tracks in the NTSC Tony Hawk's Pro Skater

[Anonymous No.10139524]

Amiga and Atari ST games designed with PAL specs in mind.

[Anonymous No.10139530]

>>10139076
Reminds me of that time an Indian famiclone distributor tried contracting a Chinese developer to make them a cricket game for a pack-in, and it took literal years because the dev team just could not get their head around the rules.

[Anonymous No.10139597]

>>10139076
> T. Esl
Who said that couldn't happen?
How embarrassing for you angry anon

[Anonymous No.10139682]

>>10139597
you did.

[Anonymous No.10139691]

>>10136420
>>10138221
>Europe doesn't censor games
>censorship is now a good thing for Europe
Thirdworlders are faggots.

[Anonymous No.10139716]

The US release of Digimon World 3 is missing the entire post-game section but it's present in the PAL version.

[Anonymous No.10139738]

>>10132885
Yes

[Anonymous No.10139906]

>>10139691

>T.US Homo nigga

[Anonymous No.10139971]

>>10136420
Cuntra or Hobotector, it's shit, anyway.

[Anonymous No.10139986]

>>10133167
skill issue

[Anonymous No.10140093]

>>10132919
American dub is 10x better

[Anonymous No.10140124]

>>10132916
it really isn't

[Anonymous No.10140847]

>>10139682
That post says nothing of the sort. Keep displaying what an illiterate dumbshit you really are anon.

Presumably you are the author of >>10138237. If you really believe PAL carts only have round labels (inb4: not saying you do) then you are one of the ignorant gits that is too young to know first hand and too stupid to research the various seals and where they are found.

[Anonymous No.10140910]

>>10132929
Jersey Devil

[Anonymous No.10141368]

Rygar on nes for certain. It is basically impossible to beat the final boss so the fun lasts forever

Not retro sorry but Stick of Truth will make this list one day (Australian version anyhow) due to the inclusion of Koalas and didgeridoo.

[Anonymous No.10141535]

>>10140847
I never did say that there were "ONLY" round labels, you are just shitposting for no reason. Besides I never even talked about the round/oval labels in the first place(inb4 moving goalposts), it was never my goal/intention/whatever, I was only pointing out the PAL-A and PAL-B differences since >>10137769 was confused about the retarded PAL region lock within region lock, the greentext is just quote from the website to point out what regions are PAL A and B.

[Anonymous No.10142765]

>>10141535
>shitposting
Nice try troll

If calling others a 'fagot' for correcting greenpost and not your own words of all things, you need to take a break. The quote is objectively wrong or misleading at best and if you spout factoids here some anon WILL correct you at some stage. Only a true moron would burr up rather than verify what they repeated (inb4: look in the mirror to see one)

That Dendy post looks like one of many posts here that unlike yours is poking mild fun at 80s vidya, not meant to be taken seriously.