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This game gets called overrated by FGC dingleberries who think that anyone who says they play a game that doesn't pull big numbers is lying or a casual masher who doesn't know the systems, to the point that it's actually overhated. And it has been for a number of years now.

>> No.10127319

Then go complain to the FGC dingleberries, not here.

>> No.10127324
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10127324

Garou is good but it's just fatal fury lite

>> No.10127337

>>10127310
The fgc is fucking retarded. They just like new and easy games with big player bases because they expect theyll get clout easier in them.

>> No.10127340

>>10127319
>don't post a thread about a retro game on a retro game board
Looks like I found a dingleberry after all.

>>10127324
Real Bout 2 was a jam but line sway doesn't hold much potential beyond faux-3D gimmick imho, it always feel like I excuse it for it not taking anything away from the game rather than like it for adding something. And Garou is Street Fighter with short hops, and that's why it's great.

>> No.10127349

>>10127337
That’s the dumbest thing I’ve read.

>> No.10127392

>>10127349
Go back to strive/sf6 then pansy

>> No.10127440

>>10127310
The game is just bland.

>> No.10127454

>fighting gamers
>you don't play lmao Kevin OP kusoge
>retro gamers
>No line sway? How is this game supposed to go with my 3D glasses vaporwave aesthetic?
poor Garou

>> No.10127476

>>10127310
I hate motw cause it kills the cool 80s action movie feel of the previous games inorder to be some SF3 wannabe "new generation" shit.

>> No.10127931

>>10127476
Based 80s action movie SNK retard

>> No.10127941

True most haters don't know how to play the game but the game is definitely broken

>> No.10127947

I have no idea how most people were able to afford Neo Geo games. Didn't they cost like $600 each?

>> No.10127956

>>10127476
It was an evolution of the soulless King of Farters look as opposed to the souled Fatal Fury vibrant cartoon look. Sadly the main SNK fighting brand is now more remembered for that darker, grittier look than the FF style.

>> No.10127960

What I'll never understand is how Metal Slug 2 actually got released to market. It's like not a single person playtested it before release, because it would've been super fucking obvious that it had problems.

>> No.10127968

>>10127960
Almost every game at that time had lag problems MSLUG2 also doesn't go to kill screen and can be completed without softlocks so how unplayable is it ?

>> No.10127979

>>10127476
it was a expected way to make a new fatal fury after geese die in real bout, besides art of fighting 3 did the whole "all new roster except the main characters" years before street fighter 3

>> No.10127985

>>10127956
>soulless King of Farters
This really is a worse board than /v/

>> No.10127996

>>10127340
I hate gimmicks. There are whole games that are just gimmicks. I wish they would just stop with the gimmicks.

>> No.10128029

its the favorite SNK fighting game of people that dont like SNK

>> No.10128031

>>10127310
Garou without feint canceling / braking is a pretty basic fighter. It's not much more advanced than Street Fighter Alpha, but with parries. You can tell why people wanted planes, the system is pretty bland otherwise.
Garou WITH feint canceling / braking is very autistic and feels near broken. There's absolutely retarded stuff you can do with it that isn't allowed in most fighters.
So I do think it's overrated, people praise it mostly for graphics. The roster is tiny and not very balanced regardless (Tizoc, Rock, Freeman and Terry all suck cock compared to the big guys). It's still a good fighter if the whole braking / feint system is your thing. If not, just play FFRB, SamSho or KoF.

>> No.10128139

>>10127968
>so how unplayable is it ?
I don't know why you are defending them. They even released Metal Slug X as an admission of how fucked up 2 was.
You sound like an abuse victim. "He only hits me because I keep doing bad things. He's a nice guy. Really."

>> No.10128228

>>10127310
It's just not very good. And that's okay, not every game has to be 3S or A3.

>> No.10128815

>>10128228
>3s and a3 good
Oh my god kys anime kusoge apologist

>> No.10128821

>>10127310
It's overrated because several characters completely break the game with shit like infinite blockstrings and just defend is totally broken and warps the entire game.

FGC people are obviously talking about competitive play. Yes if you're playing it casually there's nothing wrong with it but as a competitive game it doesn't hold up and it is totally true that a huge portion of its fanbase as posers who aren't even aware of that and just like the music/graphics.

>> No.10128829

>>10128821
>Yes if you're playing it casually there's nothing wrong with it
Game is gay

Choke on a dick

>> No.10128849

>>10128821
>Yes if you're playing it casually there's nothing wrong with it
it's just kinda boring casually. no EX, just 2 levels of supers, basic combo system—it's not much more advanced than SF2. the balance is mediocre even without the broken stuff. Terry is just weak, virtually all his specials are unsafe. Rock is just too much work for too little payoff. Tizoc is just classic weak slow grappler. Meanwhile Gato or Jenet could just spam safe attacks all match, they have a huge movelist of them. and Grant / Kain in the right hands just makes everyone else pale in comparison.

>> No.10128905

>>10128815
don't be mad about actually good games

>> No.10128916

>>10127310
FGC love this game. It's the only Fatal Fury anyone plays. Arcade mode button masher Shiturn troops on /vr/ who post threads about "how do I beat the CPU" are the only ones who hate it

>> No.10128937

>>10128905
Name a good fighter and i will. 3s is a wet fart. Nothing but graphics whoring like modern games, parry is not sf, and the cast is a bunch of literal whos. Alpha 3 is ruined by custom combo and anime graphics.

>> No.10128940

>>10128849
Terry is mid tier, he's perfectly balanced.
>>10128916
>Saturn out of nowhere
Also MOTW is the easiest FF game as far as arcade mode goes.

>> No.10128943

>>10128937
Very true. Dark era for sf.

>> No.10128945

>>10128937
You're either a contrarian or stupid. Most likely both, like most of snkfags here.

>> No.10128948

>>10128937
>3s is bad because...the fireball + shoryuken game is nerfed.
Retard.
>Alpha 3 is ruined by custom combo and anime graphics.
Those things were introduced prior to Alpha 3.

>> No.10128954

>>10128943
lmao replying to own post

>> No.10128957

>>10128945
I've never seen a SNKfag shit on 3rd strike, unless it's that action moviefag of course.

>> No.10128964

>>10128945
Im a contrarian? Sf3 bombed so hard sf didnt come back for 10 years. Youre the cuntrarian dumb ass. Youre genuinely the most rerarded poster on this site

And no im not an snk dick rider. Just like good ol ff and samsho. I like based and red pilled classiscs like sf2.

>> No.10128970

>>10128964
We don't live in 1999 anymore dumbass.

>> No.10128972

>>10128970
D u m b f u ck

Listen for once in your miserable pants shitting gorrilla ape nigger life

Game was ass. Its a stinky reddit game and you lick asshole

>> No.10128973

>>10128972
Nice non argument, faggot.

>> No.10128976

>>10128964
>Sf3 bombed
>Just like good ol ff
You're so funny. Please continue posting dumb shit for our amusement.

>> No.10128980

>Actually i'm not a contrarian for disliking Van Gogh's art because nobody gave a shit about them when he was alive!
Fucking retard.

>> No.10128981

>>10128973
>>10128976
>>10128980
Human soijak so ass mad he posted 3 fucking replies cant make this up kek

>> No.10128993

>>10128981
Kek, literal basedpussy who is so bad at fighting games he only plays those without active scene tries to shittalk games that have people playing at the highest level. Imagine being such a pussy ass loser in life.

>> No.10129004

>>10128981
Only seeing two (You)s.

>> No.10129015

>>10128993
Your games have greedy autistic fans. Youre also delusional if you havent noticed even the average current anime kuso pulls more players than turd strike and beta 3

>> No.10129019

>>10129015
They also pull more players than the ones you like soooo....

>> No.10129030

>>10127310
>This game gets called overrated
because it is. I am sure on a very low level its fun for a lot of people for the same reason why a lot of scrubs enjoy 3rd strike. they all feel like daigo whenever they parry or jd something. once you go past that point and see the game for what it is you will realize its as bland as it goes.

>> No.10129047

>>10129019
There are no numbers being tracked for millions of fathers at home playing snes and ps1 ports with their children

Its not a fair comparison. You cant honestly think there are more 3 players than 2 do you?

>> No.10129062

>>10129047
>2023
>Playing street figher on ps1 or Snes

>> No.10129197

>>10127310
What? Plenty of people in the FGC like Garou just fine, it's just that other games do what it does a lot better. Hell isn't there a side tournament of it at EVO this year?
Also like >>10128031 said, it's either bland or broken depending on how you play.

>> No.10129203

>>10128940
>Terry is mid tier, he's perfectly balanced.
not sure if you read my post at all. most of his stuff is unsafe if you play without feints. best thing he has is probably cr.C feint cancels. rest is just whatever

>> No.10129213

>>10129203
Jae Hoon's specials are all unsafe without feints too and he's considered pretty good.
Play the game.

>> No.10129223

>>10129213
nggr, he's considered pretty good WITH FEINTS and breaking. so if you play him with feints and braking, yeah he's good. braking flash kick is very powerful and safe.
I specifically mentioned that if you play the game WITHOUT feints and less so braking, a lot of characters will feel pretty weak, while others will seem way too strong. yes, feints make it a tad more even. that was not the point.

>> No.10129246

>>10129030
>because it is
It isn't, precisely because your take is the majority one nowadays.
And this
>hm yes once you are enlightened in the ways of fighting games like I am you will see the truth about which games are actually bad
This is what I'm talking about. I put off learning Garou for years because of this dick-swinging nerd shit about how it's "actually bad, if you know what you're talking about" that usually results from the game having tiers, only to come back after playing the hell out of games like ST and Real Bout 2 as well as modern ones and found MotW actually kicks ass. Even if you want to dismiss the game for its dubious systems, that I think make the game more fun even if on a technical or balance level they're a bit suspect, sure, but the game still deserves more credit than it gets for controlling like absolute butter, especially on pad, and especially for a game released back in 1999.

>> No.10129663

>>10128031
>feint canceling / braking
What's the rundown on this?

>> No.10129705

>>10127947
They played in arcades…

>> No.10129719
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>>10127310
Garou is a unappreciated classic that up there with the greats. Only genius will admire its true beauty.

>> No.10129725

>>10127310
garou has a cringe fanbase that loves the game but never played it before

>> No.10129727

>>10128972
What a surprise, he says reddit.

>> No.10129741

>>10128957
>>10128945
I like both SNK and Capcom games.

SFA3 is cool, Turd Strike can take a hike, meme game

>> No.10129764

>>10127310
It's a fine game, but it being the only FF game that western players even acknowledge is a shame. the RB series is genuinely underrated and FFS is probably one of the few post 94 fighting games that maintains a dedicated playerbase in Japan.
>>10129663
System mechanic introduced in the Real Bout series but adapted into MotW. Basically your character begins the animation of a special, you see the startup but then it just ends. The obvious use for this is tricking the opponent into thinking you're using the special when you aren't, like a FC fireball, but the higher level application of it is used for canceling from combos as FCs are usually only a fraction as long as the natural cancel, mthis makes pressure a lot tighter and allows combos that otherwise couldn't be possible.

>> No.10129772

>>10129663
All characters have two feint moves, forward + A+C and down + A+C, which will make them mimic a special attack without actually doing it. They can both act as baits for the opponent, or slightly reposition them depending on character, but the most important part is that they cancel normals. So with Terry you can do C, f+A+C, c.C, f+A+C, c.C, f+A+C, c.C, Buster Wolf assuming you do it quick enough (if you are slow, you can only do one or two c.C).
You can also use it to make yourself safe if the opponent blocks one of your hits and then backdash or cancel to overhead or jump or whatever.

Braking is I think A+B, you can use it on one or two moves with each character, usually with uppercuts. Do it quick enough at the start and the character will not execute the full move, they'll "break" it just after the move hits. So with Butt you can do an uppercut but without you flying sky high, which not only cuts off the unsafe part of an attack but gives you a chance to follow up with another uppercut or his super moves. If it gets blocked, it allows you to make an unsafe move safe and not leaving you completely open. Only trick is that the timing is very tight if you whiff, it is easier to do if the move gets blocked. Some characters have useful brakes (usually a launcher move stopping right after a hit), others have crap like Tizoc not executing his wrestler moves after the backdash startup.

When you combine both, you can fight super fucking fast, heavily cut down on unsafe motions, and do more powerful combos.

>> No.10129773

>>10129741
Nobody asked though

>> No.10129781

>>10129764
>>10129772
Some of the feints are useless as such, since characters start doing the startup of their super attacks, which will trick no one. Some are more useful because they mimic the startup of say a fireball attack. The best ones also make the character move a little bit forward (Kim Jae Hoon and Terry has one of these I think).

What makes them useful is not the feint part, it's that it breaks normals, and the feints themselves can be broken at any time even with movement. So you can do a hard punch, feint, and you can now move again just a few frames after instead of waiting for the entire move animation to finish.

This will 1. not leave time for your opponent to counter you, and 2. allows you to chain normals together into extra hits in a combo. Jae Hoon and Terry can chain a lot of normals this way, Hokutomaru I think can do a 100% combo but it's so tight that no one can really do it outside of speedruns or cancelling into his supers to do most of the damage.

Slower characters like Tizoc or Grant can't really do fuck all with it from what I remember. So it's all different for each character.

>> No.10129787

>>10129781
Real Bout 2 having no screenflash for level 1 supers was always tight as fuck, and made super feints genuinely useful. Fond memories of 2DF and using Terry's power geyser feint to bait a deep jump then backdashing and doing a real one.

>> No.10129848

>>10129781
>Slower characters like Tizoc or Grant can't really do fuck all with it from what I remember
Grant's whole "gimmick" is literally not having any, huge part of why he's peak gorilla for anyone who just wants an easy character to mash some buttons with. He naturally would benefit from having them if he did get them but he absolutely is not struggling without them.

>> No.10129886

>>10129764
>>10129772
>>10129781
Thanks for the rundown. Sounds like a very powerful system. Doesn't sound that hard to do either, but I've literally never tried it so I don't know shit. All I've done is mess around in arcade mode a few times with no real idea what I was doing, and messing around in the game with a friend group once or twice.

I want to try it out though, sounds interesting. Terry was my go to guy and it sounds like he's a decent character to get used to this system with.

>> No.10129927

>>10129886
Terry, Jae Hoon and maybe Butt are probably the easiest to get into. Maybe Hotaru as well but she is on the weak side. The rest of the cast is more gimmicky from what I recall.
Also note that c.C + special move works with practically the entire cast except Tizoc, Grant, Kain, and Donghwan (he can still use c.C to qcf qcf B super which is super easy to do).

Yeah the feint and braking system is very powerful, it turns the game from a slow fighter into something very crazy.

>>10129848
True, Grant just doesn't need them.
Kain doesn't have any useable feints from what I recall either, but he is a charge character whose only real combo is c.AB, C, special/super, and he relies on getting boss character bonuses like full TOP bar and 2x base damage when you fight him as a boss.

Tizoc gets really fucked though. Not sure what the deal is with him, except abusing parry to grabs, air A to air grab, and his A poke to qcf qcf D super.

>> No.10129960

>>10127310
Garou is just Fatal Fury lite for SF babies that can't get into more demanding games aka your average FGC member

>> No.10129975

>>10129927
Just play Terry, he's like the truest mid tier protagonist character ever, just solid enough at everything to still take wins off anyone. If you want an easy mode character try Grant (absolute gorilla, ignorant as fuck character with the easiest confirms with his stupid as fuck supers) and Gato (more technical overall, but you build meter like nothing and can cash just about any hit into super for easy fuck huge damage).

>>10129927
>Terry, Jae Hoon and maybe Butt are probably the easiest to get into
Jae is too honest, Butt can powerful but is dependent on his DP cancel, probably the hardest special cancel in the game honestly.

>> No.10130598

>>10129975
>his stupid as fuck supers
the qcf qcf kick one isn't different from all the autocombo ones that instantly hit from up close without a chance to block, except maybe that it can guard crush for puny damage. The qcf qcf punch one (the anti air power kick) is the nasty one to watch out for, but it only differs from a power geyser or raging storm or whatever the fuck Gato's antiair super is, in that it comes out instantly with full invincibility.
Both of them can get you fucked if they whiff though.

>Butt can powerful but is dependent on his DP cancel, probably the hardest special cancel in the game honestly.

I meant that he plays the closest to bread and butter street fighter shoto. Fireball, uppercut, a kick special, a super fireball, a super uppercut, etc... if you are not familiar with Garou, he will play pretty familiar. And his DP break is pretty simple to do assuming it doesn't whiff, and you can follow up with either qcf qcf C or in the corner qcf B then qcf qcf B/D. If you have TOP then C+D then qcf qcf B/D.

>> No.10131765

>>10127310
Gee, i wonder why we have a Garou thread up now?

>> No.10133806

>>10127310
If it had six buttons I'd be more interested.

>> No.10134147

>>10127310
it's just salty capcucks who cares.