/vr/ - Retro Games

[Anonymous No.10102769]

How did rare mog nintendo so hard? This is just better than mk64 in every way possible

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>>10102769
It took naughty dog two whole years to respond with a credible ps1 kart game

[Anonymous No.10102839]

Nintendo has always been the soulless husk who tries to be as evil as possible until people tell them to eat a dick. They hit on some great IPs early and are essentially immune to failure but they get their shit checked occasionally like third party devs leaving en masse during the 64 era. They’re more lucky than they are talented, and rare showcased this before the stampers dipped.

[Anonymous No.10102852]

>>10102769
luv dkr
simple as
single player mode mogs mk64
game has so much sovl

BUT

I still play mk64 4p splitscreen to this day with friends
I never do so with dkr
mk64 multiplayer racing is just too kino, bros
tracks are better too IMO

[Anonymous No.10102856]

>>10102769
the music is stuck in my head. collectathon + kart racing Bliss.

[Anonymous No.10102980]

F-Zero X can scrape them both at the same time

[Anonymous No.10103087]

>>10102769
it's not
the items are worse, the framerate is worse, and no battle mode

[Anonymous No.10103112]

Mario Kart 64 was never good. Diddy Kong Racing took a mediocre game and made it amazing.

[Anonymous No.10103129]

>>10102980
based. f zero was a big boy game

[Anonymous No.10103228]

>>10102834
CTR was a very good game

too bad CNK was an abortion

[Anonymous No.10103240]

>>10102834
and it ended up being the greatest kart racer of all time

[Anonymous No.10103352]

>>10102839
>>10102769
Rare was always able to work around Nintendo's built in limitations, they even reverse engineered the famicon which disproved Nintendo's claims that it couldn't be done. They promptly hired them after and gave them preferential treatment and permission to use their IP's up until the Starfox Adventures debacle and purchase by Microsoft (I'll come back to that later)
Rare knew their value which is why they overpriced that last 1-2% and prevented Nintendo from purchasing them entirely. They had slowly built themselves up into a giant potential competitor, complete with IP's that could compete with Nintendo's and with the mindset to go past the "kiddie" stage with titles like Perfect Dark and Conker. They were basically one of the only devs other than Nintendo 1st party that were utilizing 512MB cartridges and using their own microcode to go past stock graphics. The only thing that prevented them from seeing these projects to fruition was Nintendo working them to the bone on other projects, which Rare didn't mind doing as they had built a trustworthy enough relationship with them.
What you always hear people say about the Microsoft purchase is "hurr well Rare was shit anyway by that point" which is nowhere even close to the truth. If they were so valueless then why the fuck did Miyamoto give them one of his most popular franchises to use as an introduction to the gamecube? Would you believe me if I told you they baited Rare to change this game here to SFA because it would have looked better as a final title for the N64 over Majora's ask or mogged Wind Waker as a launch title for the Gamecube? They had nothing other than Luigi's mansion, super monkey ball and Mario Kart when GCN released. Rares titles would have embarrassed Nintendo's planned first party games. They were becoming absolutely scared shitless of how good Rare was so they milked them as much as they could until Microsoft blindsided everyone with their offer.

[Anonymous No.10103426]

>>10103129
>vehicle is about to fall apart
>mash boost power anyways
no brakes on this train

[Anonymous No.10103441]

>>10103426
exactly it was so metal and the music and design was way more enjoyable. Everybod around only plays mario kart which i like too but nothing does it for me like F zero x. The original is pretty meh but X just gave me endless dopamine boosts back then

[Anonymous No.10103452]

>>10102769
The single player mode is better, but MK64 has better multiplayer. Especially Battle Mode.

[Anonymous No.10103464]

>>10103441
>playing with some friends
>when the race is about to start put more in acceleration than top speed during meter selection
>get the jump on the friend that is the by far the best at the game and ram him off the stage which kills him
>he gets furious and I win the race

[Anonymous No.10103492]

>>10103464
i got over it anon. no but something like this happened to me playing mario kart 64. I was the seething friend, we were on dks waterfall level or whatever and he knocked me right of the main jump and spent the entire race laughing at me while i was doomed to 8th from the second lap. I usually got the better of him at vidya so this was even more amusing for my friend.

[Anonymous No.10103681]

>>10102980
>mogged by sega at their own franchise
oh nononono

[Anonymous No.10103691]

>>10102769
>boats and planes
They're not fun. I want to power drift in my kart racers. Also the stages are bland 8n Diddy Kong.

[Anonymous No.10103714]

>>10103352
Wasn't Melee a launch title?

[Anonymous No.10103721]

>>10103714
2 weeks after gamecube, but yeah that was it until the next year.

[Anonymous No.10103846]

The Wikipedia page says the original 64 version was developed and published by Rare, while many other sources say it was developed by Rare and published by Nintendo. This just fucking bothers me

[Anonymous No.10103919]

>only like 3 good racers with the rest being shit tier
No thanks

[Anonymous No.10103949]

>>10102852
>>10103452
>b-but mk64 multiplayer
you guys know dkr has a hidden co-op singleplayer mode right?
slapping in the widescreen hack and 60fps makes it one of the best n64 experiences you can have to this day

[Anonymous No.10103959]

>>10103949
>slapping in the widescreen hack and 60fps
care to elaborate? I know about the JOINTVENTURE code but this sounds based

[Anonymous No.10104204]

>>10103949
Kill yourself tranny

[Anonymous No.10104460]

I like both but the racing mechanics in MK64 are way better.

[Anonymous No.10104521]

between CTR and DKR I can't enjoy a kart racer unless it has a driveable hub world.

[Anonymous No.10104545]

>>10102769
>better than mk64 in every way possible
Except multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.10104554]

>>10104545
Co-op adventure is fun. I still replay it every once in a while with a friend

[Anonymous No.10104567]

>>10104554
>Co-op adventure is fun.
True, that's one for the DKR side of the column. But not versus and especially not battle mode.

[Anonymous No.10104649]

>>10102769
Because Nintendo laid down the groundwork for Rare to build on. It is better in every way, but that shouldn't diminish how great Mario Kart 64 was.

[Anonymous No.10104690]

I want to live in Frosty Village bros

[Anonymous No.10106767]

bump

[Anonymous No.10106774]

Of the three, Diddy Kong Racing is my least favorite. I much prefer CTR and MK64.

[Anonymous No.10106780]

>1999
>go over to faggot cousin Johnny's house
>he's 3 years older than me but I'm still taller than he is, has a grudge against me
>a bunch of his friends are over playing N64
>they load up Diddy Kong Racing
>ask if I can play
>says no and gives a controller to each of his friends and makes me watch from the back
>thought it was cool, but never got to play
>fast forward to 2008
>dad gets phone call from uncle at 9pm
>Johnny died in a car crash a week after graduating highschool while playing "bumper cars" with friends on a back road
>fast forward to 2016
>buy an N64 and a copy of DKR
>sit down, crack a beer and pop it in
>title screen loads
>one single thought passes through my mind
>"Guess who gets to play now, Johnny?"

[Anonymous No.10106781]

>>10102769
Rare was in fact, a part of the industry that was very different from the rest.
It was guys from the UK who dealt with mostly the ZX spectrum, and maybe the commodore. If you know anything about those platforms, you understand exactly why Rare was what it was.
Trying to squeeze every last kilobyte out of everything.

Truly a unique dev house, god rest them.

[Anonymous No.10106791]

>>10106780
>he thought posting this would make him look cool and not a sociopath

[Anonymous No.10106794]

>>10106791
>he doesn't recognize pasta because he's a newfaggot retard

[Anonymous No.10106797]

>>10106791
Johnny wasn't a sociopath?

[Anonymous No.10106946]

>>10106780
kek

[Anonymous No.10109181]

>>10102834
Fpbp

[Anonymous No.10109210]

>>10102839
>They’re more lucky than they are talented
Nintendo literally means something along the lines of "leave luck to the heavens".
I have to agree with you. Nintendo's creative genius is the byproduct of Hiroshi Yamauchi's cut-throat ruthlessness and strategizing.
>create multiple R&D labs
>task each with saving the company
>treat them all like children
>good performance = favorite son
>bad performance = i have no son
>all the labs compete aggressively with one another and work 20 hour days to win your favor
>creative genius comes out under tight deadlines and stress
it's like the 20th century equivalent of renaissance artisans who became masters after getting the shit beaten out of them by journeymen for a decade

[Anonymous No.10109567]

>>10106780
dude

[Anonymous No.10110003]

>>10103949
>you guys know dkr has a hidden co-op singleplayer mode right?

no one cares. battle mode is where it's at, and dkr has no equivalent

[Anonymous No.10110694]

>>10106780
Fuck Johnny. Maybe if he let you play he wouldn’t have killed himself over something so retarded lol.

[Anonymous No.10110705]

i like mk64 better. dkk bores me after 15mins.

[Anonymous No.10110709]

>>10110003
>Nintendo refuses to put out a first-person shooter offering on their consoles
>Rareware delivers the best FPS game known to man, with so many goodies and challenges that make it worth every cent for both the game and expansion pak.
Perfectbros, why do we keep winning?

[Anonymous No.10110857]

it's superior, yeah, they're both pretty fun games

[Anonymous No.10111021]

How Nintendo weren't able to make the Karts 3D at least? I hated the 2D renders so much.

[Anonymous No.10111085]

>>10103228
cnk is marginally worse than ctr

[Anonymous No.10111535]

They made an actual single player adventure. To this day hasn't been matched. I don't know why they don't do it with Mario Kart.

[Anonymous No.10111681]

>>10106780
Based.

[Anonymous No.10111716]

>>10110709
>Perfectbros

not really perfect when it runs sub 20 fps

[Anonymous No.10111721]

The single player is amazing. I did not enjoy the multiplayer
-kid who played MK64 every weekend for 2 years straight w friends even when we had DKR.

I still need to finally finish the campaign tho. So long from what I remember and gets super hard.

[Anonymous No.10111751]

>>10102769
No idea why nintendo never copied the adventure mode aspect of DKR in future Mario Karts.

[Anonymous No.10111808]

>>10111716
Better to run at one frame every three seconds than to run at zero (i.e. Nintendo not releasing a damn M-rated FPS)

[Anonymous No.10111846]

>>10102769
DKR has too static a difficulty and way less interesting items.

Once you're good enough then that's it, the CPU barely fucks with you and the same time will always yield the same result. This is also a result of the lack of rubber banding, for better or worse.

This makes it a fun single player, but more boring multiplayer.

[Anonymous No.10112264]

>>10106780
I recognize this pasta

[Anonymous No.10114216]

>>10111716
>muh EFF PEE ESS
/v/ is next door

[Anonymous No.10114230]

>>10102769
first they made supa donkey kongu…
then they made donkey kongu raysah…
they needed to be taught a lesson…
now they're making Kinect gemu.
gaijin never learn.

[Anonymous No.10114232]

>>10106780
>bumper cars
This pasta is silly

[Anonymous No.10114246]

>>10102769
the only game rare did right. played the dk trilogy and that shit was overrated and retarded. Then i tried banjo which had annoying af characters and a less fun environment than mario 64.

no idea why anyone gave a shit when MS killed them

[Anonymous No.10114351]

>>10114230
They onry had to risten...

[Anonymous No.10114371]

>>10103681
Funny joke. GX is very good, but X is perfect.

[Anonymous No.10114380]

>>10114230
>>10114351
Nice shitpost there, I bet you think Gunpei Yokoi's death was paid by Nintendo to happen.

[Anonymous No.10114408]

>>10114380
>nothin to see zea
>pyua coinsidensu
>ka— akshidento
>happens oru za taimu

[Anonymous No.10114652]

>>10103087
>no battle mode

wut

There are several stages in multiplayer where you throw missiles and mines at each other, like the ice pyramid.

[Anonymous No.10114838]

>>10114408
OK retard baby brain troll. How's it going preparing for next year's Special Olympics, downie? source and pics?

[Anonymous No.10114961]

>>10114838
you don't need much proof to get the real picture. it's clear Shiggy was instrumental in getting rid of Rare out of pride and jealousy. so you think Nintendo wouldn't kill Yokoi to stop Wonderswan?
>princess Diana's death: August 31, 1997 (car "accident")
>Gunpei Yokoi's death: October 4, 1997 (car """"accident"""")
I mean, c'mon, put two and two together.

[Anonymous No.10114970]

>>10111716
OOT runs at 20 FPS and is considered one of the best video games of all time.
At the time people were so excited about 3d that they didn't care, now a days there are hacks and decomps to give you higher FPS if you really care. Even M&KB support.

[Anonymous No.10115663]

>>10114380
>I bet you think Gunpei Yokoi's death was paid by Nintendo to happen.
Both worked for the Yakuza so it's not out of the question.

>>10114970
>OOT runs at 20 FPS and is considered one of the best video games of all time.
>At the time people were so excited about 3d that they didn't care
Both of these facts are ultimately because of Rare. The first being delayed a year because Shiggy himself said B&K was better from a technical aspect that he would have been embarrassed to release it at the time. The second was admitted by Nintendo's marketing department, even preferring Rare's ventures into 3d to be more influential than starfox.

[Anonymous No.10115723]

>>10115663
Banjo-Kazooie was released two years after Ocarina.

[Anonymous No.10115761]

>>10115723
First of all you're wrong and they were both released the same year, OoT being later. Second I'm referring to the development cycle, neither being complete at the time Shiggy himself said this.

[Anonymous No.10115892]

>>10114961
Nice try fucking troll dipshit. [citationneeded]
Yes, Wonderswan was a kind of thorn in Nintendo's side, but why don't I need much proof out of pride and jealousy? I am not a gullible fool who lives under a rock, I won't trust you by your word .
Princess Diana's death might have been done by design, but how do you know that is the case for Gunpei Yokoi? Post PICS AND AUTOPSY WRITINGS
>>10115663
>AZ quotes
Here's a point, Japanese and English are quite dissimilar languages, similar to that of Chinese and Farsi.
Its not easy, unlike translating English to Danish or Spanish and such.
How do you know this quote was ever said by him at all, hmm?
>Both worked for the Yakuza
Prove it. Show me the damn receipts.

[Anonymous No.10115945]

>>10115892
>Here's a point, Japanese and English are quite dissimilar languages, similar to that of Chinese and Farsi.
>How do you know this quote was ever said by him at all, hmm?
Here's a point. Your language lesson doesn't mean Jack and neither does the language spoken. The actions are what matters, and you don't apologize when you did nothing wrong. He apologized.

>show me the gangsters receipts
They've been in business a long time and have branched from gambling playing cards to love hotels.

[Anonymous No.10115970]

>>10115945
Yes, they've been in business a long time, gambling playing cards being just one of them, that is true. When did he apologize, anyway.
Also, how do you know that he actually paid the Yakuza, who then went on to kill Yokoi?
>Dude TRUST ME!
>Muh Larry Bundy Jr. and /v/ and /vg/
copypastas and shitposts ARE FACT

[Anonymous No.10116226]

>>10114970
>considered the goat game
By who? Switch owners, game journalists? It's an average game that you beat once and never play again. Tetris is a Goat game not Oot, not any Zelda game and I do like the first two games in the series.