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>graphics mogs Soulcalibur on the Memecast

>> No.10069781

>>10069557
>mogs
>pitting games against each other for no reason
>graphically and not even gameplay
Fuck off back to /v/ you underage little shit.

>> No.10069852

>>10069781
careful boomer, if you seethe any harder then what's left of your hair will turn even grayer!

>> No.10069871

>>10069557
Yeah the PS2 was a pretty powerful console. The dreamcast had a lot going for it but it was just older. There’s lots of simple what ifs like “what if 32mb ram” or “what if DVD/1gb CD” but it has what it has. I dont think anyone is going to argue that the Dreamcast is more powerful than the PS2. I do like it’s clean graphics though

>> No.10069894

>>10069557
Virtua Fighter 3tb is probably more comparable, but even then I feel like this is after both series kind of established their own style. It makes more sense with the Saturn and PS1 titles.

>> No.10070160
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Native res aside, I do miss the days when 3D graphics were this crisp and visually clear. Bold colors, carefully baked in lighting, very little use of obnoxious screen filling fog and color filters, and a level of contrast you just don't see any more. I would love to see modern devs ditch all the Unreal presets, color sapping fog and scanned in actors for 3D models to create basically an upgraded evolution of PS2 graphics aesthetics. In the very early days of the PS3 you kind of saw games like that and it was very appealing.

>> No.10070173

>>10069557
It blows my mind that the PS2 version of Tekken Tag Tournament is actually graphically superior to the arcade original. Tekken Tag's arcade hardware is effectively an original PlayStation game, while the PS2 version looks like, well, a PS2 game.

>> No.10070183

>>10070173
It was the same deal with Soulcalibur.

>> No.10070184

>>10069852
>act like a retard
>get called a retard
>"h-heh s-seethe"

>> No.10070198

>>10069557
A shame about the gameplay tho

>> No.10070275

>>10070183
Wow, no kidding. I grew up with the 80s/90s mindset of arcade=superior, so it's really weird to me to find out that some games which I'd only seen on home consoles were graphically superior to the arcade versions (and in these two cases dramatically so).

>> No.10070294

I liked TTT more than Tekken 3 because Kazuya is better than Jin

>> No.10070341

>>10070160
A lot of people have picked up from all the remakes coming out now that there's a fundamental lack of understanding of lighting across the whole industry. So often you see the same generic washes with no dynamics at all due to the preset issue you mentioned, this was hardware from 20+ years ago but they weren't afraid to use every trick they had so it still looks striking. Ridge Racer 7 comes to mind for a PS3 example of what you mentioned, 1080P 60FPS and looks gorgeous. It might use baked lighting and camera trickery to pull it off but who gives a fuck?

>> No.10070367

>>10070160
This and Soulcalibur looks better than Kof14 and SF6

>> No.10070415

>>10070341
>Ridge Racer 7 comes to mind for a PS3 example of what you mentioned, 1080P 60FPS and looks gorgeous. It might use baked lighting and camera trickery to pull it off but who gives a fuck?
Yep, my thoughts exactly. Ride Racer 7 still looks really pleasing on a 4K TV and its an excellent game too. Virtua Fighter 5 is another good example.

>> No.10070458

>>10070160
>>10070341
What is the problem with "baked lightning"?

>> No.10070461

>>10070160
Soul Caliber 6 is smeared with depth of field so you literally can't even see the fucking stages. Like, why do this? The stages have always been so visually impressive in scale and architecture and then they just thought "you know what we should do? Slap a blur filter over all this so you can't even see it to mimick the human eyes focus"

HOW ABOUT YOU LET MY HUMAN EYE FOCUS ON ITS OWN RETARDS

>> No.10070463

>>10069871
It did make parity easier. You saw that with dead or alive 2, where the two versions were pretty similar, just the PS2 was a little better(with more content.)
Prev gen it was a way bigger difference. The PS1 version of DOA actually looked substantively different from the saturn/arcade versions, arguably not in a better way.

>> No.10070474

>>10069557
DOA2 looks cleaner IMO

>> No.10070481

>>10070461
that's often what I hate about this effect in general.
but on the other hand I loved the way MGSV's cutscenes looked.

>> No.10070492

>>10070160
>In the very early days of the PS3 you kind of saw games like that and it was very appealing.
how so? felt like it was in the late PS2 era (mgs3, sotc) that shader and bloom cancer began

>> No.10070497

>>10070492
It began, but like lots of things that begin, it wasn't in widespread use yet

>> No.10070504
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>>10070492
Genji: Days of the Blade from 2006 is basically a PS2 game on steroids. It's a shame it runs at 30fps and is total dogshit.

>> No.10070509
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Just fog my shit up bro. Color? Constrast? Sorry I can't find the Unreal Engine option for that.

>> No.10070517

>>10070504
More like an OG Xbox game actually.

>> No.10070521
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>>10070463
Uh, the PS2 version of DOA2 is the worse one.

>> No.10070557

>>10070294
i liked it just because i love it when i can control more than one character. used to wish there was a tag mode in every tekken after tag 1 but it never happened.

>> No.10070585

>>10069557
but tekken is weebshit

>> No.10070632

>>10070521
never expected the PS2 version of 355 to be lower poly than DC

>> No.10070635

>>10070585
so true
if tekken is weebshit sc definitely isn't

>> No.10070661

>>10070509
yeah but the glowing church in the distance was a nice addition. aesthetically this looks fine

>> No.10070686

>>10070661
The aesthetics are not the issue, although I personally prefer the original. The issue is the incredibly dulled colors and lack of any real contrast caused by the color filter slathered across the screen and the screen filling fog.

>> No.10070689

>>10070160
>PS3 remake
That's not helping your claim buddy

>> No.10070692

>>10069557
Visually uglier than Soul Calibur

>> No.10070702
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H U M A N O I D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIGhII3B7Eo

>> No.10070732

>>10070692
I can't say I agree, but 480p and VGA are definite advantages with the Dreamcast

>> No.10070735

>>10070732
No, Soul Calibur levels are completely in 3D while TT has pre rendered backgrounds

>> No.10070753

>>10070458
Not dynamic / realtime essentially.

>> No.10070804

>>10070689
>remake
It's just an upscaled port, in terms of everything he's saying the PS2 version looks exactly the same, you can see this from all the HD PCSX2 footage on youtube. It not being native res was literally the first thing anon noted, I don't know why you continued reading if that's such an issue.

>> No.10070826

>>10070735
yes and

>> No.10070852

>>10070557
>used to wish there was a tag mode in every tekken after tag 1 but it never happened
I'm still surprised that never happened.

>> No.10070859

>>10070826
The pre-rendered backgrounds are less impressive

>> No.10070876

>game from 2000 looks better than game from 1999
Holy heck I can't believe it

>> No.10070880

>>10070160
That pic has tons of fog and bloom. You're probably talking about modern, blurry AA and cinemadic tone mapping which kills contrast.

>> No.10070891
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10070891

I'm still impressed by SC1, the stages really sold it for me. Everything about it hits perfect from graphics to sound to control. Truly a 10/10 game.

Namco are fucking retards for not releasing a remastered collection of 1-4, literally leaving money on the table

>> No.10070916

>>10070521
>the PS2 version of DOA2 is the worse one.
I know this is an often repeated myth dating back to the early 2000s, but no the PS2 version looks better.

>> No.10071213

>>10069781
from the same company too

>> No.10071227

>>10069557
Bro they're from the same based company.

>> No.10071228

>>10070504
the giant enemy crab game? also i agree with that other anon, it has that OG xbox gloss, you could pass this as Otogi 3

>> No.10071525

>>10071227
>the only reason to compare anything is company wars
Exactly the problem with the average poster here, desu, so many disingenuous opinions based on company loyalty/obsession

>> No.10071537 [DELETED] 

>>10069781
Kill yourself tekken nigger, you faggots are as bad as sf trannies

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>>10070916
Where is the evidence

>> No.10072096

>>10070916
Do you not have eyes?

>> No.10072113
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>>10069871
Oh, were we talking about specs?

>> No.10072184

>>10070880
>That pic has tons of fog and bloom.
That fog and bloom was not animated particles to destroy the frame rate. It's pure texture.

>> No.10072194

>>10069557
>ps2 game
>90% chance to run at 240p/480i

>>10069871
There is an easy argument for the DC. It had more vram. It could do every game but one in 480p.

>> No.10072331

>>10071545
>>10072096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv7hwRUzwuU

>> No.10072439

>>10072331
Thanks for proving me right.
Ps2 version looks lifeless.

>> No.10072450

>>10072439
Scenes are given more particles, more details such as reflections or better fogging and lighting, character shading is higher quality too. Seems like this is just a DC lie.

>> No.10072469

DC graphics are always so clear, PS2 always so fuzzy

>> No.10072487

>>10072450
It's shinier thefore better.

>> No.10072497

>>10072487
Well yeah

>> No.10072510

>>10072497
I was talking about the DC version there.
It's more colorful.

>> No.10072516

>>10072510
It has its own appeal, its missing lots of the nice things like reflections and the cool dynamic lighting in some stages or fog which gives depth to some stages. DOA2DC reminds me more of full bright maps at times.

>> No.10073119

>>10070916
https://www.siliconera.com/tomonobu-itagaki-reveals-how-dead-or-alive-2-was-released-unfinished/

>> No.10073126

>>10073119
Sounds like BS by PizzaFace

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>>10073119
>“I thought I would quit making games,” Itagaki recalls, adding that he began to stay home, drinking from morning to night, and crying as he watched the Bruce Willis movie, Armageddon

>> No.10073314

>>10069557
this game was the first and (not counting SFxT) only tekken game i've ever played. i really liked it but for some reason i just never got into tekken like i did something like soul calibur, mortal kombat or even anime fighters like persona arena or dragonball fighters.

>> No.10073327

>>10070521
Imagine if Kasumi had a gigantic ass.

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>>10073119
>2012
seems fake and gay

>> No.10073527

>>10072331
Ah the characteristic blurry bad textures PS2 look...not sure why you'd say it was better though.

>> No.10073582

>>10073527
>denying the existence of reflections
>anon sits in his mirrorless home
>desperate to avoid the glare from the rising sun in a window
>shattered glass in his bathroom scattered on the floor
>no car as rear view mirrors are required
>he rocks back and forth on the floor
>how can our eyes be real if mirrors aren't real?

>> No.10073739

>>10070173
they went all out. for some reason, ttt1 looks better than t4 despite t4 coming after

>> No.10073741

>>10073527
PS2 also had a bad interlacing problem. someone should dummies down the models so we can get a better idea.

>> No.10073745

>>10073126
Sounds like desperate brand warrior damage control from you.

>> No.10073746

>>10072113
The Xbox is obviously like. Many times more powerful lol. The peak polygons per second on the Xbox is somewhere around 15-20 million. The top PS2 game is around 6 million. It isn’t even close!
>>10072194
I do prefer how nice the DC output is. Also the AA and AF solution it uses is very nice. I remember seeing it had a unique type of “infinite” mip mapping and anti aliasing. Something about the way PowerVR works. Cool stuff! The DC is my favorite console

>> No.10073750

>>10071228
the first genji game did not have crabs as enemies

>> No.10073753

>>10073745
im a different anon, reacting to a BS story. couldnt care less about the rest

>hey dood can i play your game for a while?
>sure
>sike, its my game now, byeee!

now if you want to take japanese freddy krueger at, uh... face value, well be my guest

>> No.10073771

>>10073753
>im a different anon, reacting to a BS story. couldnt care less about the rest
Why do you always preface your dogshit posts with this business? It doesn't render any validity to your bullshit, and it's obvious you really are the same idiot.
It's still just damage control from a brandwarrior and nothing else.

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Threadly reminder: Yu Suzuki's gone on record stating PS2 could never handle a direct port of Shenmue II, which is why it went to the Xbox instead, the only capable system of its gen after the Dreamcast.

Cope and dilate until you die, Sonycucks.

>> No.10074520

>>10074516
>Uohhh I must fully simulate the moon
>When Ryu goes in to his house all the drawers must have more polys than any of the character models
Yu Suzuki is autistic anon