I'm trying to get into Tomb Raider and decided to start off with the first game but it's so miserable to play. My jumps are delayed, I'm at the mercy of the wonky camera and the fighting so far has been fucking awful. Am I being filtered? Do I stay with it or try a later entry?

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Anonymous Sat Jul 15 21:32:37 2023 No.10069308 [Reply] [Original]

I'm trying to get into Tomb Raider and decided to start off with the first game but it's so miserable to play. My jumps are delayed, I'm at the mercy of the wonky camera and the fighting so far has been fucking awful. Am I being filtered? Do I stay with it or try a later entry?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:09:14 2023 No.10069365 >>10069308 >Am I being filtered? Yes. And you don't understand how controls work with respect to map grid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:25:09 2023 No.10069412 >>10069308 Give Tomb Raider Legend, Anniversary and Underworld a try they're probably more your speed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 22:30:37 2023 No.10069420 The only thing wonky about the camera is when you have your back to the wall. Otherwise it's always trailing behind you when you aren't hanging on something.

Anonymous Sat Jul 15 23:46:50 2023 No.10069607

>>10069308
do laras home and listen to what she says when you enter the gym, its a tutorial but you can skip parts of it if you run ahead if you cba to do that
hold walk and walk to the edge of a jump, let go of walk and tap backwards to backstep, hold forward and immediately press jump, she wont jump until she reaches the edge and always guarantees a max range jump
stick with it, the controls don't fundamentally change in the sequels but they do get slightly more responsive with each instalment

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 23:48:13 2023 No.10069613 >>10069420 this is never an issue in the first game because in those situations where your backs against a wall like that its only ever a straight forward jump anyways, in tomb raider 3 however....

>>	Anonymous Sat Jul 15 23:53:59 2023 No.10069621 >>10069308 just play the pc version with Tomb1Main you fucking retard.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:23:21 2023 No.10069790

>>10069308
>My jumps are delayed
The game is grid based if you look carefully on the map. When you run and press jump, you will jump at the edge of current "square". Retro TR is almost like a logic game, where each jump is set up in a way that you barely make it.
>fighting
You simply start blasting and jump around.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:26:09 2023 No.10069795 >>10069308 >>10069790 This video has a good rundown of it. https://youtu.be/dwzIu4zFJVI?t=481

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 01:29:06 2023 No.10069798 Start with The Last Revelation. It's friendlier to new people and arguably the best anyway. You can always play the others later if you get into it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 03:59:08 2023 No.10070083 >>10069308 >almost 30 years later >people are still getting filtered by Tomb Raider how

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:10:40 2023 No.10070281

very good responses In this thread surprising since /v/ would just retreat to their shell and affirm the OP's objectively wrong and ignorant understanding of the game mechanics. The only delayed jump in the game is the running jump, and thats only so that it can be mostly consistent and less frustrating to fuck up, because if you constantly had to press it at the edge, I PROMISE you you would cry, because I've done that so many times because I got lazy.

Eventually you just get used to it, infact I'd argue for TR1 atleast, you get SO used to it that by the end of the game, everything starts to feel too easy and consistent, but maybe that's just because From Natla Mines to Atlantis to Great Pyramid the game starts to feel way more rail roaded and not hard to navigate (except for early natla mines maybe)

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:12:34 2023 No.10070282

>>10069798
lmao? is this a troll? the amount of people that complain about getting filtered by TR4 with how fucking crazy ambitious and complicated it is is abundant. TR3 and 4, but especially 3 are all significantly harder than TR1, not sure how to rank 2, definitely probably easier than 3 and 4, but is it as easy as 1, or just slightly harder? Or way harder, but not as hard as 3 and 4?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:15:44 2023 No.10070283 funny, i am also just playing it for the first time but it has been a pretty enjoyable experience to me

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:19:25 2023 No.10070287 Which game out of the TR1-5 Do you guys think actually has the best level design overall? Barring everything else.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 06:20:41 2023 No.10070289

>>10070283
Nice, same, not OP, but I got Into It around the time tomb raider threads were popping up constantly on /v/. I'm almost done with it now, just have the last stretch of the final level to finish, then I'll be moving on to Tomb Raider 2, just don't know if I should take a break in between to not get burnt out or not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:10:18 2023 No.10070337 desu idk if it was the open lara source port but it kinda felt like shit at times in the last 2 levels, especially level 14

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:28:30 2023 No.10070358 >>10070337 same, I'm not exactly sure why either. What do you think is the reason the final levels felt shit?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:45:32 2023 No.10070375 >>10069308 >My jumps are delayed they fixed it in later games. however it shouldnt really matter unless you were speed running, just take your time and make slow long jumps like it was intended if timing throws you off

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 07:52:56 2023 No.10070387

>>10070287
TR1 by far.
Half of Peru, nearly all of Greece, all of Egypt, and parts of Atlantis are terrific, and even the lesser levels still have merits.
The later games have some great levels too with cool settings and standout moments, but there's also a lot more inconsistency and ideas that were too ambitious for the engine.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:07:42 2023 No.10070417

>>10070387
REALLY?

I mean Greece was a literal knock out with Palace of Midas and St.Francis Folly. But man did the game start to feel like it dragged around Egypt, I guess having a much simpler and consistent level design makes it harder to disappoint and fuck up, but around Egypt to Atlantis, the game started feeling too samey and simple, it was fine in the beginning when you were still getting used to the controls, but after finishing TR1 recently I legit CANNOT imagine it possibly being the peak of TR level design, my brain simply cannot commute, because TR1 often does not feel like ENOUGH.

It has better level design than almost any game of its time, but it definitely has room for evolution...

Also Atlantis was genuinely some linear straightforward bullshit man, I CONSTANTLY felt like I was just going through the motions. Like that first room in Atlantis with all the eggs were you need to go to the floor above and LITERALLY open a switch that opens a door to another switch, that opens the actual door you need to get through???? I was like "bro??? are you serious? what is this level design lmao what was the point?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:46:42 2023 No.10070476 >>10070289 I'd take a break, I love classic TR but they can feel a bit samey.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:56:14 2023 No.10070493

>>10070358
felt like rushed design + shitty enemy placement. the hitscan explosions ain't too fun. The earlier levels were much more fun to explore and figure out expect for some weird sequence breaks (and bugs) that prevented progress at times. super cool port tho

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 08:58:41 2023 No.10070498

>>10070493
ah yeah that's a good point. The enemy design ramped up in annoyance in the later areas, maybe that's why I didn't mesh well with the later levels, damn...TR2 is gunna be rough isn't it if it doesn't have anything new to balance out hitscan enemies...

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:01:13 2023 No.10070503 >>10070287 TR3 is the least consistent, but I maintain that all of the South Pacific and Antarctica are the best levels in the classic games.Just a pity that India, Nevada and London are garbage.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:16:05 2023 No.10070519

>>10070503
What does "consistent" even mean? Because other than Greece and maybe Egypt, you could argue that Peru, and Atlantis aren't consistent regarding TR1.

Consistent to me isn't about personal favourites, but rather consistent sprawling exploration and platforming puzzles. Peru and Atlantis are both shit to actually explore.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:28:20 2023 No.10070531

>>10069308
The jump delay kind of sucks but just like the controls it isn't a problem once you get used to it. You have more than enough control of the wonky camera, if it defaults to a weird angle just press the look button which you should be doing a lot anyway. This isn't like the original Devil May Cry where the camera just fucks you over and there's nothing you can do about it. It is an immersive and slow, methodical platformer. Make sure you plan out every jump.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:30:56 2023 No.10070535

>>10070519
Just in terms of quality, TR3 is wildly inconsistent. It has some of the best and worst levels in the classics. Whereas TR1 is pretty even in terms of level design, TR2 has a weak middle (all the undersea gubbins) TR5 is consistently poor but with interesting concepts.
Full disclosure: the egypt motif and general structure of TR4 turned me off and I couldn't push myself to keep playing it. That's just me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:34:53 2023 No.10070539 >>10070535 Yeah I don't like that 4 is just nothing but egypt. Aside from that it's really good but I also found myself not caring enough to go on and complete it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:35:55 2023 No.10070541 >>10070535 TR2's Maria Dora levels were the only part I actually liked

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:40:16 2023 No.10070549 >>10070541 Really? 40 Fathoms has got to be in the running for worst level, up there with Lud's Gate (another stupid underwater labyrinth).

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:44:01 2023 No.10070554

>>10070535
>>10070541
hmm interesting TR2 seems to be consistently expressed as the least interesting and weakest game out of the quadrology, which is interesting because I think it's the most popular ones by normies that know or played the classics...well it's up next! so we'll see how it compares to TR1 for me, hopefully I don't get too triggered by hitscan enemies.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 09:47:27 2023 No.10070562

>>10070549
>(another stupid underwater labyrinth).

I also hate underwater navigation, but I'm conflicted, because my stomach starts to hurt if I stay underwater too long and can't find rhe way...but underwater exploration just adds a totally new dimension of directional movement and visual perception. It's interesting and keeps gameplay varied, as well as Tomb Raider arguably having the best and most indepth underwater sections in any action adventure game, but pains me both physically and mentally, so Im not sure how to feel about it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 12:04:59 2023 No.10070747 >>10070554 The most annoying enemies in TR2 aren't hitscan. Fuck you, flamethrower people. >>10070562 Underwater sections are good as long as they do not outstay their welcome.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 15:51:03 2023 No.10071134
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>>10070417
If you want more exploration play Unfinished Bussiness. I literally spent an afternoon just to finish any level besides the first one. Atlantis levels have some of the most interesting setups for combat, if you're into that (way harder than anything the main game throws at you).

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 16:00:29 2023 No.10071159

>>10069308
I'll assume this isn't a troll thread and OP truly is struggling with it.
Of his two complaints I can only address one. The other, the camera, is false. TR1s camera is pretty much non-intrusive! And it only takes one button press to see what is ahead at any time.
As for the delayed jumps, actually those are purposeful. TR is like a cinematic platformer like Heart of Darkness or Flashback. It follows very precise rules for its controls, and they are all explained in Lara's home. Including the purposeful delay of one grid length.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 18:51:12 2023 No.10071672 File: 364 KB, 1366x768, tr2prettyneato.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>10069308 This game is pretty damn fun.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:21:02 2023 No.10071747 File: 484 KB, 828x1023, 1675262934186677.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] OP here, I completely missed the tutorial and I'm now having fun despite playing at an absolutely glacial pace

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:38:41 2023 No.10071791

>>10069308
You can get used to tank controls, at least I did and they became second nature to me.
I like the slowness and clunkyness, it makes me put more effort into controlling Lara.
It is almost as if it is a strategy game, planning a series of moves to get somewhere and then executing them.
Plus the game itself is comfy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:40:47 2023 No.10071793 >>10071747 Despite what the publishers wanted us to think, TR was rarely if ever a pulse-pounding action game.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 19:56:16 2023 No.10071827

>>10069621
>Tomb1Main
I have to say that I really like these opensource project that lets you play the old game, without remaking them. So you can feel the essence of the original game, uncorrupted. I really hope in the future, that someone does this even for Soul Reaver, for it was really good it too.

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:06:17 2023 No.10071846
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If you walk to an edge, then do a single hop backwards (just move backwards without walking), you will be EXACTLY the right distance away to do a running jump.

Get used to doing midair quickturns and use them in combat, you can effectively avoid damage from most enemies (and some ranged ones by trapping them in a cycle of endlessly turning around) by doing this, also do backflips while shooting at melee enemies.

All of the original games are slow paced environmental puzzle centric like this, so if you fundamentally don't enjoy that then you won't like them.

Tomb Raider 3 is dogshit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:07:18 2023 No.10071847 >>10071846 Oh yeah, and most importantly: Hold walk while climbing up a ledge for fun

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:18:42 2023 No.10071876

I hope Tomb1Main supports the "official" HD pack
also that someone works on a braid model using the TR3 model since is accurate to the cinematic.

nevertheless, tomb1main is great.
though i wish it had more improvements off the PS1 and saturn releases like the water and transparency.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:31:09 2023 No.10071908 >>10071134 what's "unfinished business"? a mod or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 20:32:48 2023 No.10071910 damn, so many people really got filtered by TR3 huh

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:49:34 2023 No.10072103 >>10071908 Expansion pack.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 21:55:10 2023 No.10072126 >>10072103 they had expansion packs (aka DLC) in the PS1 days? interesting, how do I play it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 22:02:11 2023 No.10072147 >>10072126 I'm pretty sure the expansions packs are only for the PC versions. IIRC: - Unfinished Business (TR1) - Golden Mask (TR2) - Lost Artefact (TR3) - The Times Exclusive (TR4)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 22:13:16 2023 No.10072175 >>10072126 It's available both in the PC and on the PSX. Which one are you playing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 22:16:57 2023 No.10072185 >>10072175 PSX emulator, got the TR1 rom from vimms lair

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 16 22:25:07 2023 No.10072213 >>10072185 See if this works https://archive.org/details/tomb-raider-i-unfinished-businessgold-ps1psp-eboot-version

Anonymous Sun Jul 16 22:37:53 2023 No.10072239

>>10072213
wow this is interesting, wonder what the new level designers can do with TR1, especially if it's after TR3 and its infamously elaborate and "convoluted" levels, it sounds like a really interesting perspective to experience TR1 from...only worry is that I imagine the enemy and encounter design will be even worse somehow...

also, what file do you recommend I download 7z? Zip? Also do I need to download TR Gold? Or just unfinished business and add it to the original? Not exactly sure how to go about this, apologies if I'm being bothersome.

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 02:19:00 2023 No.10072760

>>10072239
Just download the 7z, extract the file and run it on an emulator. I use PSXfin but it should work fine with any other.

I recommend you do not play it until you've played TR1 to the fullest at least once. Many of enemies are placed smartly to catch you off guard, mind your surroundings before venturing off and quickly wrap your head around a new space if/when you get trapped.

Anonymous Mon Jul 17 02:29:30 2023 No.10072790

>>10071876
developer said they have no plans to include the HD pack for whatever reason sadly, even though it's one of the most requested additions. Oh well, at least you can give Lara her braid back. Also, pretty sure it uses the PS1 water color, not sure what you mean about the transparency's.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 03:11:14 2023 No.10072860 >>10072760 Just downloaded unfinished business and it looks exactly like my other TR1 rom, how do I play it then?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 12:06:29 2023 No.10073638 >>10072790 They said otherwise on github, but is not a priority yet, since they added the upscale FMV's and remastered music. Also Tomb2Main supports the hd pack

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 12:45:42 2023 No.10073719 >>10073638 Oh sweet! I was just going by what they said on the Tomb Raider Forums. I was using the PS1 FMV's, are the upscaled better?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 14:50:19 2023 No.10073937 >>10073719 yes, check their github page

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 15:14:48 2023 No.10073992 File: 1.73 MB, 2283x1268, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I hate this.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 18:40:04 2023 No.10074484 >>10071846 >Tomb Raider 3 is dogshit. Hey! It's only 2/5ths dogshit and 1/5th porridge.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 17 23:17:10 2023 No.10075075 Just look up lara on R34 There, you got the TR experience

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 01:54:15 2023 No.10075515 >>10075075 >cooomer braindead retard is retarded water is wet

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 02:03:41 2023 No.10075541 >>10075515 There's a reason why she was plastered in gaming magazines all the fucking time and it wasn't the gameplay you dumb nigger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 07:51:52 2023 No.10076167 >>10075541 >There's a reason why my brain is ruined by pornography i know, you never had a father, sad. Many such cases

Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:19:58 2023 No.10076814

>>10069308
>my jumps are delayed
Lara always takes 2 steps before jumping while moving

>I'm at the mercy of a wonky camera
Camera isn't wonky, it actually works very well.

>and the fighting so far has been fucking awful
I mean, it's auto-targeting. There's not much else to it besides jumping, rolling, and using corners/distance against ranged attacks to block and dodge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:22:01 2023 No.10076817 >>10069308 Your jumps are buffered and you need to learn the threshold of said buffer in tandem with your movement and the floor tiles. It's easy to learn due to the tiling and satisfying to execute.

Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:24:09 2023 No.10076819
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>>10071846
>get used to doing mid-air quickturns
That get introduced in Tomb Raider 2.

>Tomb Raider 3 is dogshit
Dogshit taste confirmed. Nevada, India, and South Pacific are some of the most fun I've ever had in a Tomb Raider game.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:28:01 2023 No.10076824 >>10069308 Tomb Raider is very much a puzzle game and not an action game. Once you learn the rules of the puzzle it makes way more sense. Other anons explained it pretty well. But the games are much easier when you think of them like this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:28:36 2023 No.10076828 >>10069412 Problem is those are basically modern games but worse, whereas classic TR is just archaic but still good.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:34:15 2023 No.10076845 >>10076828 Legend is okay, Anniversary is shit, and Underworld is kino for the first 2/3rds but then becomes unredeemable garbage the last third.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 15:36:12 2023 No.10076849 >>10076828 Classic TR is a totally different game from the others desu. I wouldn’t call if archaic. It’s just it’s own thing entirely

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 18 21:16:07 2023 No.10077829 >>10076849 I find it so galling there isn't a retroclone of the precise, grid-based TR gameplay in the modern day.

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