Autofire

[Anonymous No.10058389]

Is it cheating or not? What's the consensus?

[Anonymous No.10058448]

>>10058389
Pic related was my first autofire joystick. It was a game changer. So I guess it's cheating, but I still say use it if it makes the game more fun and comfortable.

[Anonymous No.10058520]

If it makes a game easier than that game is shit.

[Anonymous No.10058524]

If my nigga Ocelot says it is, then it is.

[Anonymous No.10058550]

>>10058520
you're not a fan of Track & Field then, I take it

[Anonymous No.10058561]

>>10058389
No.

[Anonymous No.10058565]

>>10058524
This is a bluff. He won't know.

[Anonymous No.10058594]

>>10058565
He actually can detect it and will lock out the controls, killing Snake

[Anonymous No.10058597]

>>10058594
what a madlad

[Anonymous No.10058623]

I used the Takahashi method on Mario Party Superstars when a Boo steals your coins, and it doesn't do shit. You have to push the button fast but not too fast or else the game thinks you're cheating. I'm flattered the game thinks I'm using an autopresser but at the same time, fuck you Nintendo I'm pushing the button faster than you expected, give me a raise

[Anonymous No.10058624]

>>10058594
He couldn't detect mine, maybe it could only detect a certain level considered too high and some controllers didn't go that fast. I remember being surprised that it worked.

[Anonymous No.10058693]

>>10058594
But I wasn't, I was just so good he couldn't tell the difference.

[Anonymous No.10058710]

>>10058389
Smoke 'em if you got 'em. When we were kids we got controllers with turbo functions because they were cool as fuck and fun to use. No one cared about whether it was cheating, anyone who didn't have turbo controllers at home were simply jealous of the kids who did.

[Anonymous No.10058715]

>>10058594
didn't happen to me when I used a turbo controller

[Anonymous No.10058734]

>>10058715
It uses the frequency of the button presses to determine whether you're using turbo, so it's possible to have a slow enough turbo that he doesn't notice. The threshold is probably pretty high to make sure that players with legitimately lightning fast fingers wouldn't be punished for being too good.

[Anonymous No.10058819]

The only one I don't like to use it is in the fantasy zone series, with the laser and 7 fire you don't need it anyway. The Neo Geo game ghost pilots is almost unbearable without it, I went to the trouble of modding the neo geo controller for games like this which some arcade owners did back in the day too.

[Anonymous No.10058858]

It's cheating but also >>10058520. It's a cheat for poorly designed games.

[Anonymous No.10058963]

Back then everyone thought turbo controllers were cool.
If you pulled a "waaa it's cheating" you'd be called a retard buzzkill and be made fun of forever. Then again if you do that even now you're likely friendless anyhow.

[Anonymous No.10059134]

Turbo controllers are disallowed from the speedrunning tournaments I've played in, but I don't think they're cheating in most games. About the only time I feel like they're a cheat is in something like Megaman where autofire allows you to quickly kill certain enemies before they retaliate where human skill would fail you.

If it's something like Gradius or another schmup, then I won't play with autofire. I just don't want to mash the button that fast, both for my own thumbs and for my controller's health.

[Anonymous No.10059153]

>>10059134
Sped Running

[Anonymous No.10059165]

>>10058963
The whole concept of cheating yourself, or the "you didn't beat the game" argument just didn't exist when these games came out. Cheat codes and game genies were fun and no one got upset over them.

[Anonymous No.10059270]

Its cheating in fighting games

[Anonymous No.10059287]

The truth, we just don't have have the same button mashing capabilities as 80's kids and never will.

[Anonymous No.10059298]

People really underestimate how this was the norm for hardcore gamers back then

hardcore gamers nowadays could barely keep up with 8 BPS during 30 seconds, imagine playing an entire game worth

With that said Hudson, who made these videos, created a turbo controller in 87 and advertised it alongside ther release of Hector 87. That game is just insane, with turbo on, the timing to kill enemies is JUST RIGHT *if* you have proper positionning and know what's coming ahead of time.

[Anonymous No.10059314]

>>10059165
lol cope harder man

Everyone knew cheats were cheats, because they were LITERALLY called cheat codes. The timeline when people can't tell the difference anymore is nowadays, not back then.

I was 8 years old when I beat Duke Nukem 3D for the first time using God Mode. I knew it was a cheat.
I did the same thing again playing Resident Evil for the first time using the Rocket Launcher because I was scared shitless of the game, but I knew it wasn't legit.

You're right that nobody got "upset" over it but the reason was precisely because nobody was going full cope like nowadays
>I use savestates but it's ACTUALLY not cheating
or rather there was just "that kid", which everyone else knew was full of shit, whereas nowadays it's a majority of people being like that

[Anonymous No.10059316]

>>10058389
If it's not put in the game by developers then I would say yes.

That being said, I don't stop anyone who uses it.

[Anonymous No.10059338]

>>10058389
Implying I give a fuck about the opinions of fat incels on 4chan. I use auto-fire, save states, rewind, fast-forward. Give a fuck nigga what yo bitch ass finna do

[Anonymous No.10059345]

>>10059338
It only matters if you are trying to set a world record or brag to others about your skill.

[Anonymous No.10059468]

>>10058389
Yeah, but why would you care? You doing a troon run? They'll probably allow it anyway.

[Anonymous No.10060340]

>>10059468
Forbidding people from using turbo controllers in a speed run would probably be considered ableist and making people prove why they qualify for an exception would probably be considered exclusionary. I can't picture them putting in these types of restrictions because it would just be too problematic.

[Anonymous No.10060932]

>>10059165
>The whole concept of cheating yourself, or the "you didn't beat the game" argument just didn't exist when these games came out.
they didn't exist because they were called cheats. Of course you were cheating yourself out of the original experience. You were using cheats. You were cheating.

[Anonymous No.10060947]

>>10060932
I never heard anyone call turbo controllers cheats.

[Anonymous No.10060956]

>>10058594
Really, and in both versions? I always thought it was just the devs calling people out for cheating.

[Anonymous No.10060980]

>>10058565
He will, but only in Twin Snakes
https://youtu.be/qp7fjdKOoRU

[Anonymous No.10061043]

>>10060947
You never busted out the Turbo controller for the Nintendo and started kicking your friends butts, and then had your friends call you a cheater?

[Anonymous No.10061090]

>>10061043
I can't think of a game we played that had competitive 2-player in which turbo gave someone an edge. Mostly we took turns playing 1-player games and sometimes we'd play with turbo controllers or not and no one was bothered one way or the other, it just depended on how we wanted to play a particular game at a particular time.

[Anonymous No.10061124]

>>10059298
87 is quite early in video game history, especially in regards to the kind of games that people really benefit from turbo on. And as you said, by even a year later turbo controllers were all over the marketplace. And arcade operators started installing turbo mod kits in some games.
Beyond any other reasons it saved them money on button switch replacements.

[Anonymous No.10061373]

>>10061124
Some Atari compatible controllers had auto-fire even earlier though and there were even auto-fire modules, like pic related from '83, which you connected between the controller and console/computer. Some even had a dial to set the fire rate.

[Anonymous No.10062082]

>>10058389
It isn’t, stgs have them

[Anonymous No.10062121]

>developers tell you to buy a turbo controller instead of just adding autofire
would this count as cheating?

[Anonymous No.10062134]

>>10062121
This is all a conspiracy by Big Joystick to keep you buying new controllers.

[Anonymous No.10062584]

>>10058389
Surprisingly, you did beat the game.

[Anonymous No.10062586]

i don't care as long as autoshitters don't compare their tainted runs with mine

[Anonymous No.10062819]

>>10061090
>I can't think of a game we played that had competitive 2-player in which turbo gave someone an edge.
Street Fighter 2 is the only one I can think of. Fuck mashing buttons to use Honda's Hundred Hand Slap.

[Anonymous No.10062848]

>>10060340
That's an impressive lack of understanding you've demonstrated for any of the topics you've brought up. I'm sure that won't stop you from screeching about them at every opportunity though.