Thief Thread

[Anonymous No.4885351]

>so his minions are these little monkey fellas

[Anonymous No.4885364]

why does garrett hate everyone else so much?

[Anonymous No.4885365]

First for Constantine did nothing wrong.

[Anonymous No.4885369]

Black Parade never ever.

[Anonymous No.4885375]

Just started playing this game. Pretty awesome. But is there a way to play without texture filtering but without jagged shadows?

[Anonymous No.4885376]

>>4885365
PAGANFAG GET THE FUCK OUT

[Anonymous No.4885379]

just finished thieves guild for the first time.

i went to the safe first, before getting the key. then i was utterly lost for about 2 hours. i wanted to fucking die

[Anonymous No.4885384]

>>4885375
Get the latest version of newdark and it'll work.

[Anonymous No.4885390]

>>4885364
smug radical centrist

[Anonymous No.4885424]

>>4885376
Get lost, gearhead.

[Anonymous No.4885436]

[Anonymous No.4885448]

>>4885369
>top left
What a bunch of hack frauds.

[Anonymous No.4885472]

>>4885448
Or maybe they like Nightcrawler and wanted that mission to be a sort of tribute?

[Anonymous No.4885509]

>>4885384
Thanks, looks great!

[Anonymous No.4885516]

>>4885472
>implying it's physically possible to like Nightcrawler

[Anonymous No.4885519]

>>4885384
Do you think us here at /vr/ helped get proper shadows in point filter mode? I doubt most people in the Thief community care besides here

[Anonymous No.4885526]

>>4885516
Maybe not the mission itself but the aesthetic.

[Anonymous No.4885535]

what's the worst thief 2 level?

[Anonymous No.4885542]

>>4885535
Though choice. Maybe Trace the Courier - the other levels I don't like at least contain some things I like about them.

[Anonymous No.4885551]

>>4885542
what are some redeeming factors of worse levels, in you opinion?

[Anonymous No.4885570]

>>4885535
Kidnap, by far.

[Anonymous No.4885594]

>>4885551
In Ambush, the scenario of sneaking into Garrett's apartment is pretty cool.
Solforge had a cool atmosphere and scenery (when it wasn't just grey hallways). I liked Karras's commentary and the story of the Mechanists waking up too late to Karras's madness.
Kidnap I was surprised to find enjoyable on my last replay so it's no longer one of my least favorite.
Casing the Joint and Masks I don't really have anything good to say about come to think of it. They're extremely bland and dragged out, either one of them would be overlong alone, even without the repeat.

[Anonymous No.4885610]

>>4885535
half of them. the good ones are still unpleasant to play thanks to thief 2 aesthetics.

>>4885542
trace the courier managed to somewhat salvage the shitty city map from ambush by integrating it into another task than just "lol ur ambushed bonk all the guards and escape lmao". it's not a good mission, but it does beat ambush.

[Anonymous No.4885627]

>>4885472
"Hack frauds" is a meemee.

[Anonymous No.4885629]

>>4876810 →
Near the temple street gate there is an attempt of an the illusion of depth. It's also seen in The Sword, but the term used in art escapes me.

Duke Creygan's room is locked on hard. I had a hard time finding an entry. I could not lockpick it and a key was not around. Check the fireplace. Up at that point there was a certain psychology to the FM. The placement of guards steered you through the level and you found the loot on the way. The locked door disrupted the flow. Creygan's journal shows that random people seem to know about the Keepers. They should be less than a rumor.

You don't need to get all the loot on hard. The FM allows you to make a choice whether or not you take the small offering of Lisa. It is a decision without real consequence, other than conscience. This was also seen in Sword of Drakul, where you could destroy the remains of Andrea, without it being an objective. Would you go back and bring her the medicine? I think it would be funny if she is the same girl seen at the of TDS.

I think the post by Vigil is something to keep in mind when we continue on. Where do trends appear?

[Anonymous No.4885736]

>>4885384

Wait no filtering works now with Thief?

No fucked up shadows?

[Anonymous No.4885751]

>>4885736
yeah

[Anonymous No.4885764]

>>4885751
Shiet only in the latest version right? I want it both for 1 and 2.
Finally, these kind of late 90s textures work so much better with no filtering.

[Anonymous No.4885798]

>>4885751
How do you disable it again?

[Anonymous No.4885839]

>>4885798
just find the filtering options in cam_ext.cfg

[Anonymous No.4885841]

>>4885839
I did but it does nothing.

[Anonymous No.4885868]

>>4885839
Nvm found it.

You know unlike Quake and Half Life maybe Thief works better with filter, I mean its much sharper yes.

Maybe there are ways to maximize it?

[Anonymous No.4885869]

>>4885841
Are you using the latest (1.26) version of NewDark? The cfg file should have the options tex_filter_mode and lm_filter_mode

[Anonymous No.4886003]

Anyone have that gallery of Thief pre-release screenshots saved? Darkfate's still down.

[Anonymous No.4886063]

>>4886003
thankfully it's crawled and available on archive.org:
https://web.archive.org/web/20171209184716/http://darkfate.org:80/view/simple/images/screenshots/thief1

note you can only see the thumbnails for the pics in the old_dp directory, but I believe they're all in the main directory as well.

[Anonymous No.4886073]

>>4886063
>I believe they're all in the main directory as wel
turns out I was wrong, only some of them are. I hope someone saved the rest before it went down.

[Anonymous No.4886079]

>>4886073
fug, those were the ones I was really after.

[Anonymous No.4886087]

>>4886079
I just double checked, and apparently most of them are archived after all, you just have to open their urls instead of clicking on them as you'd normally do. most of them are still available in other words.

some of them are gone, though.

[Anonymous No.4887036]

Where can I download Thief Rare and Unused Models (T1) by Catalyst?

[Anonymous No.4888113]

>>4887036
I can't find a link because of 404.
I did stumble across three Japanese FMs that TTLG doesn't mention.
Only The Killing Time (demo) Ver 3 by Keeper can be played. The other two available must be played with Dromed.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=nl&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=http://www.keepers-house.net/fm/jpmiss.htm&xid=17259,15700021,15700124,15700149,15700168,15700186,15700190,15700201,15700208&usg=ALkJrhgpUr-3k8uH8_4PjlEVJ5yfUHrneA

[Anonymous No.4888283]

which fan mission is shrek looking at?

[Anonymous No.4888354]

>>4888283
Yume no Rozen

[Anonymous No.4888427]

OK, this is epic

[Anonymous No.4888434]

>>4888283
FTM life

[Anonymous No.4888489]

>>4888427
my little taffer
thievery is magic

[Anonymous No.4888518]

>>4888434
This.

[Anonymous No.4888701]

>>4886087
Back up
http://darkfate.org/view/simple/files/images/screenshots/thief1/

[Anonymous No.4888705]

>>4888701
>that one
Fuck this one in particular. I saw it in a magazine, and I was sure for years that I missed a secret in the Lost City.

[Anonymous No.4888745]

Is Thief really that good or should I play Dishonored instead

[Anonymous No.4889286]

>>4888745
Dishonored has some good idea (like the Outsider being an eldritch abomination), but the sequel completely shitted on that idea and ruined the franchise.

[Anonymous No.4889325]

>play Thief : Gold (steam)
>do Lord Bafford's mansion
>only use the blackjack
>come stats screen
>"other kills : 3"
Does it counts the spiders?

[Anonymous No.4889346]

>>4888705
How did they do that lava flow?!

[Anonymous No.4889410]

>>4888745
They're both worth playing but I'd say Thief is the better game by a good distance.

[Anonymous No.4889538]

>>4888113
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LKEYiWIp7Yk9QYcmopkrhvA12moFvbX2/view

[Anonymous No.4889603]

today I decided to give the blue star another try. this time I was actually able to meet the loot quota, and JESUS FUCK, no wonder it was so hard. you literally have to find every single piece.

[Anonymous No.4889610]

>>4889603
Alright mission but it's rather linear and I never did find the last piece of loot. There was a switch near a staircase I found but I never found what it did.

[Anonymous No.4889613]

>>4889325
Damn right it does.

[Anonymous No.4889619]

>>4889610
it opens a hidden compartment in the attic, where you find a couple of coinstacks.

I liked the visuals a lot, and I did enjoy using rope arrows to snatch the gem from the pedestal. but as you say, it's pretty linear. still a very solid mission, though.

[Anonymous No.4889640]

Thief 2 Gold never...

[Anonymous No.4889734]

>>4888745
Dishonored is garbage. Arkane fucked up with it and prey trying to bring LGS to consoles\mainstream. You cant compromise with these type of games.
Thief will live as a masterpiece on while dishonored gets forgotten.
Btw I just realized there is a patch for both Thief 1 and 2 that fixes the EAX ambient echoes. This shit should be mandatory on Tfix and tafferpatcher, it really changes the way Thief sounds and adds all the cool reverb sounds for different rooms.

[Anonymous No.4889752]

>>4889734
Dishonored just fucked up with its stealth design or lack thereof. Almost no shadow-based stealth, bad sound propagation, silent crouching and no surface material footstep volume. The character is so powerful that the game would have been much better if the powers were complemented with more advanced stealth systems instead of AI who can't look up. But anyone who says that the other parts of the game's design is garbage is talking shit. The simulation based approach to design is everywhere and the worldbuilding and environmental storytelling are in no way any worse than in Thief.

[Anonymous No.4889760]

>>4889734
>Btw I just realized there is a patch for both Thief 1 and 2 that fixes the EAX ambient echoes. This shit should be mandatory on Tfix and tafferpatcher, it really changes the way Thief sounds and adds all the cool reverb sounds for different rooms.
I tried it, and I wasn't a big fan of it. it messes up some of the ambient sounds, and the reverb fails to behave like real life echo would. you also end up not hearing a lot of sounds that you really should be able to hear.

[Anonymous No.4889784]

>>4889760
I have not felt like I missed anything, and the reverb really spices up some rooms. As far as I know I can hear distant and close up stuff no problem.

[Anonymous No.4889827]

>>4889784
maybe it's just my sound card then?

to give one example of what I'm talking about:
in assassins, when you go to ramirez' mansion, you walk on a boardwalk, passing a waterfall on your right side.

when you play with hardware disabled, you will hear the sound of the waterfall from a ways down the boardwalk, and it will get progressively louder as you approachit, just like you'd expect it to irl. with EAX, however, the sound will start abruptly when you walk right in front of it. EAX mode is full of quirks like that.

like I said, maybe it's just my machine. I still prefer to play with hardware sound disabled.

[Anonymous No.4889874]

>>4889752
Dishonored is balanced so that most players will resort to combat to get out of a blown stealth situation, since you can kill usually a handful of guards and still get the good ending.

[Anonymous No.4889910]

>>4889752
>the worldbuilding and environmental storytelling are in no way any worse than in Thief.

No really fuck off.

>>4889827
Just went there and it worked fine.

[Anonymous No.4889916]

>>4889752
Dishonored also contradicts itself in its story.

[Anonymous No.4889920]

>>4889910
>No really fuck off.
You will demonstrate exactly why I'm wrong or you will go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.4890829]

>>4885629
Took me some time to reply but just a moment to play the mission: the lenght is just right. On the short side, but it ends exactly when it should. The player faced an array of different situations and all the plotlines are wrapped up, a mission's ideal ending.
The world of the mission is small, every character involved in the story is either in the mansion or did something that affected the events. Even the Keepers have a specific role this time. This part of the City feels strangely isolated as a result but at least you get to know it completely, and in the time it takes to complete your task. A short story you hear by playing the game, and without a single forced narrative moment, except maybe the confrontation with Edmund.
Just before this mission we were talking about repetitive and nonthreatening bosses and here we have a new character that comes to life in a FM. Another hooded man, sure, but the way he's characterized through his diary, the story and how he acts when you meet him (and also the buildup for that moment) makes him feel like a real character and not a cutout from TDP. Not entirely.

>Check the fireplace
Oh. I just bashed the door open. I've been reading some of the Conan stuff and while I enjoy the rogue side of the character, I guess in return I'm starting to steal like a barbarian would.
It's also making me appreciate more and more the supernatural part of Thief. It's fantasy, but the kind of fantasy where what breaks the rules of logic and reality is cursed and dangerous. Magic is held by priests, ghosts and mages hidden in towers. The gods are dead, forgotten or vengeful. All the secrets hidden in the dark should stay there. The protagonist doesn't care: Conan has always lived free and Garrett just wants to earn something from it. It's thanks to this detachment that the protagonist always overcome the unnatural.
This FM perfectly summarizes this side of Thief (or maybe I'm biased), and plays like a tale of the Cimmerian.

[Anonymous No.4891002]

>>4885629
>>4890829
Speaking of trends, I guess their origin varies.
They may start from discussions about the game and in general from the way the game is perceived; from attempts at recreating what the game did or at doing something that the game didn't do and, in both cases, from what those attempts create. The circle continues and eventually new trends start from the discussion of missions created because of a trend.
Sure enough most of the trends we've observed in these first FMs are dictated by the limitations of a single mission compared to a complete game. But that's typical of any fan mission of any game.
One example are the antagonists we've met so far. Edmund, Rothchest, Drakul, Bruno and more, wretched men corrupted by their lust for power (again, like the many Conan beheads at the end of his adventures). They need to be the cause of everything that happens in the mission, there's no time to introduce them later, there's no later at all. As a result, their presence looms over the player during the mission, recreating a sort of "short story" feel that not all OM have, since those can be tied together to create continuity.

[Anonymous No.4892735]

Burrick bump.

[Anonymous No.4892951]

>>4888745
Dishonored tries to replicate the "immersive sim" loop but shit is very unbalanced and in the end it becomes a washed out version of the game that inspired it, much like how Bioshock is a poor man's system shock 2.

[Anonymous No.4893101]

>>4890829
>Oh. I just bashed the door open.
What about the guards? What about your stealth?

[Anonymous No.4893106]

>>4893101
I bashed them open too.

[Anonymous No.4894483]

>>4892951
Wait where did you get this file from?

[Recaptcha can lick my ass No.4894486]

>>4894483
Don't ask.

[Anonymous No.4894716]

>>4893101
It's too late, I've lowered that bar and there's no going back. Now stealth for me is getting out of there rich and alive. Bonus points for killing a god in the process.

[Anonymous No.4894874]

>>4894716
You should play the The Killing of Time by JIS!

[Anonymous No.4894880]

>>4885364
Its more smugness than anything, he can't really respect anyone when he knows how simple every single trick to disappear from someones sight is. Everybody has to be retarded to keep falling for it.

[Anonymous No.4895168]

>>4885364

Honest answer? Hes tough orphan with serious authority and mommy issues, or lack thereof. He mustve had a very hard childhood and coupling that with his ego while discovering the Keepers was a bad mix.

Like the cutscenes say actually. The most promising acolyte.

He really is the perfect archetype of the unwilling anti hero that gets pushed around by everybody so arrested development makes sense.

[Anonymous No.4895518]

*walks toward you*

[Anonymous No.4895583]

>>4889640
Why don't modern games do shit like the Blooper Reel anymore?

[Anonymous No.4895593]

>>4894486
Just found it funny that they figured to shoop JC's head on 0r0's lmao.

[Anonymous No.4895607]

>>4895583
Because everything has to be super serious. Games are no longer something a bunch of friend do together, now there are brouzoufs at stake.

[Anonymous No.4895625]

>>4895607
What I liked the most about the blooper reel was the little trivia, and amusing mistakes and difficulties that the developers encountered, like the Burricks farting themselves to death. I find that stuff extremely interesting. I'd love for more games to have a "Developer Commentary" mode, or something

[Anonymous No.4895630]

>>4895625
I love these too. I tried making small games, and it makes me feel a lot better to know that even professional developpers can have strange, fun bugs.
Like Cutty standing up.

[Anonymous No.4895670]

>>4895518
>beats to death with blackjack before he can run

[Anonymous No.4896087]

Anybody give The Dark Mod a try?
>www.thedarkmod.com

[Anonymous No.4896295]

>>4894716
RIP Frazetta, often imitated but never equaled

[Anonymous No.4896636]

>>4889410
>Write notes on your map by clicking on it and typing
Holy shit I didn't know about that

[Anonymous No.4896637]

>>4896636
I think you can only do it in Thief 2. That's why you have a blank map page.

[Anonymous No.4896705]

>>4896637
You can in TG but that may be a NewDark feature.

[Anonymous No.4896821]

>>4896636
I prefer to use a piece of paper and a pencil. I can draw a more detailed map layout and the patrol routes. The ingame map is so limited in what you can with on it.

[Anonymous No.4896871]

>>4896821
only time I did this was when I played sepulchre of the sinistral, for the teleporting maze.

[Anonymous No.4896936]

>>4896705
It is.

[Anonymous No.4897126]

>>4896087
it's still janky as fuck and most missions seem to follow the modern corridor stealth approach

[Anonymous No.4897303]

>>4889346
it’s probably just a separate textured mesh from the rest of the wall

[Anonymous No.4897695]

The textures pack in tafferpatcher is actually not that bad for Thief 2.

It preserves the best textures while adding some decent ones, unlike that infamous HD pack.

[Anonymous No.4897934]

>>4885629
>Near the temple street gate there is an attempt of an the illusion of depth. It's also seen in The Sword, but the term used in art escapes me.
Trompe-l'œil?

[Anonymous No.4897982]

>>4892951
>that image
Is that you Cervine?

[Anonymous No.4898872]

[Anonymous No.4898949]

>>4898872
Bafford's smile is nothing like the uncomfortable overcompensating and submissive onions grin. It's a mocking, confident and condescending laughter at his inferiors.

[Anonymous No.4899097]

>>4889734
Dishonored doesn't suck. It has a good, but slightly predictable story that we've known from other Arkane games. It's about how difficult it is to move away from tyranny, and how a revolution will likely just bring forth another form of tyranny.

The stealth was okay. Just because it wasn't Thief-tier special doesn't mean it was dogshit. It was definitely better than the stealth of Dark Messiah. The only problems in that game were the lack of non-lethal tools such as a flashbomb, noise arrow and the like. Then you could use powers like teleportation and night vision constantly to see everything and move everywhere with ease.

The binary nature of the story also kind of fucks with your stealth gameplay. If you want the good ending you can't go around killing someone, even if it's the only calculated kill in the level. Killing stuff is more fun in Dishonored than taking people out non-lethally. Fights are over way to quickly in Dishonored because one alert potentially draws all the guards of that level to your position, making for a big, short fight.

This is why Dishonored really profited from the Dunwall City Trials. There were 2 missions that hinged entirely upon stealth and not being a savescummer, and a few on puzzles and combat. Especially backalley brawl and the time stop puzzle one really brought out how great the combat is in that game, and how you can make it last long. Mysterious guest for example looks great and is something that I'd wished I had seen more in the main game.

I think Arkane did their best under the current circumstances. I wouldn't willingly shit on the only developer willing to acknowledge the legacy of Thief and trying to keep some of that old flame alive. And don't forget that LGS were pioneers, not big-profit businessmen who dominated the market in their day. Everything comes at a price.

[Anonymous No.4899148]

>>4899097
>If you want the good ending you can't go around killing someone, even if it's the only calculated kill in the level.
You can kill plenty of people without getting the binary bad ending. You'll probably have to kill about 25% of the people in the entire game to get the bad ending.

[Anonymous No.4899210]

>>4899097
>I wouldn't willingly shit on the only developer willing to acknowledge the legacy of Thief and trying to keep some of that old flame alive


I would, because I excepted better. Fuck them and especially Smith, Now that Raphael left they are dead anyway.

[Taffer No.4899309]

>>4885629
>>4890829

What mission / fm are you taffers discussing?

[Anonymous No.4899312]

>>4898872

[Anonymous No.4899371]

>>4890829
Edmund has a diary that spells out his decline into evil. The entire FM has an emphasis on how rotten he is. He is a flat character.
>>4897934
I suppose that is the term.
>>4899309
Lord Edmund Entertains.

[Anonymous No.4899629]

>>4894874
Thanks, that sated my thirst for blood for now. One hell of a taffin bloody palace, a gauntlet way fancier than the one this mission takes inspiration from, with themed rooms and an increasing level of difficulty.
Now the only thing I envy Conan for is his healthy diet of exotic beauties, but Thief won't provide me that I'm afraid.
Speaking of, this is the first mission I've played that features the original bugbeast.

>>4899371
>Edmund has a diary that spells out his decline into evil. The entire FM has an emphasis on how rotten he is. He is a flat character.

Sure, but it's all about how well the elements that describe a character work together. The story itself isn't unique (Shunned, Rothchest have similar themes). There will be time for exceptional writing, for now I'm happy to see the plot of a mission revealing itself organically as the player goes on. At first Edmund was a mystery, then I learned the truth and, when facing him, seeing him act accordingly to the character the readables describe was incredibly satisfying. Especially in a game where, no matter how evil they are, they always hop and fence the same way when fighting.
The whole thing also gains a sense of mystery because only the Duke, other than Edmond himself, points out the player the madness of the antagonist. For everyone else he's just a cruel man. Not even the briefing estabilishes him as a threat at first.

Speaking of Keepers and trends, even if they're at their peak form in TDP I can see why people wanted to give their own answer to the enigma that this faction was. Since the dawn of time loose ends are fertile ground for fan fiction.

[Taffer No.4899854]

>>4899309
>>4899371
>>4899629
Ahh - havent done that one.
I always get the title confused with another called 'Sir Lector Comes To Dine'

[Anonymous No.4900268]

Has there been a brush count restriction contest before (like Quake's 100 brush competition)?

[Anonymous No.4900518]

>>4885519
It's the only place I've seen people complain about it as fervently, so I hope so.

I want someone to make a shader to emulate how my POS 233Mhz PC had to run it in the 90's... With all the banding and what-not...

[Anonymous No.4900521]

>>4900518
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.4900569]

>>4900268
I don't think so.

[Anonymous No.4900640]

Was there always a dead haunt in cragscleft mines?

[Anonymous No.4900731]

>>4900640
Yup.

[Anonymous No.4900845]

>>4900518
Do want

>4883091▶
>>4882550
I couldn't even get past the first gate objective. None of the AI scripts were activating.

>4883659▶
Don't tease, who are you and what is it called?

[Anonymous No.4900853]

>>4883659▶

[Anonymous No.4901427]

>>4900853
I don't have an account on ttlg yet and its working title is "test17.mis".

[Anonymous No.4901450]

>>4901427
>test17.mis
Is it your first mission?
can you say anything about it? :D

[Anonymous No.4902030]

What are your favorite T1/TG Fan missions and why?

What are the most beautiful or technichally impressive T1/TG fms?

[Anonymous No.4902065]

>>4885369
You know what, it would be nice to have a reinterpretation of the classic thief 1 and 2 missions, with all the advancements we got from the tfix.

Not that I don't like the originals no, just for fun.


>>4902030
To me the Sword was an experience like no other. No book or movie grabbed me by the balls like that.

[Anonymous No.4902073]

Are there any differences between the Thief and Thief 2 engines when it comes to DromEd? Does one FM work in one or the other? I think that's unlikely, but I don't know.

Someone also recommended me Cabal in another thread; I've been meaning to see if there are any Deadly Shadows FMs that scratch the itch. The engine has its faults, but its strengths, too.

[Anonymous No.4902075]

>>4902073
Olddark DromEd is different between T1 and T2. With NewDark they're basically identical (based on T2's DromEd).
OldDark FMs work with NewDark but not the other way around. Also, an FM that is made with a later version of NewDark may not work for someone who has a previous version; in that case you get a message at the start of the FM when you launch it.

[Anonymous No.4902093]

>>4902075
Thanks for the info. I'll download NewDark with DromEd to get the Fan Missions etc. I'd like to mess around with the editor at some point in the future but I think it will be some time before I wrap my head around it.

[Anonymous No.4902132]

>>4902030
I haven't played enough T1 fan missions. Circle of Strain was the first FM I ever played and it was good. I also played Calendra's Cistern but I didn't really care for that one. When I was into FMs big time everyone was making Thief 2 stuff. It probably didn't help that the source code hadn't been discovered so old limitations were plaguing the older of the two games much more.

[Anonymous No.4902224]

>>4900569
I'd like to see one. The 64^3 contests are often interesting, it might also be if authors are given free range on scale but forced to ditch the greebles.

>>4902030
I don't know about most technicality impressive but for favorites:
>Gems of Provenance: probably my favorite set of FMs from either game. Perfect TG atmosphere/aesthetic, extremely creative layouts and scenarios. Good challenge, but never too much. What I really love is that the missions have a progression through different themes (such as the underground mansion -> daytime ruins, or hydro plant/museum -> sewers -> lost city) which recalls missions like The Sword or Song of the Caverns.
>Skacky's collection goes without saying.
>Augustine's Revenge: one of my favorite city missions. It has this layout that you flow through freely, but never get stuck going in circles. It has a lot of memorable surreal-ish areas like the crayman tower and its lone guard. It's certainly not the most impressive mission because the level of detail is easily less than that of the OMs, but it's far from ugly.
>Shadow of Doubt: this some nasty ass mission design but the atmosphere game ridiculous
>Brainchild: spooky
>Autumn in Lampfire Hills: comfy

[Anonymous No.4902465]

>>4900569
There was definitely one at some point

[Anonymous No.4902698]

Did you hear about he upon whom the gaze of the Guardians fell?
He was destroyed!

[Anonymous No.4902709]

>>4902224
>Autumn in Lampfire Hills
It IS super comfy. That one I've played.

More lists like this please? I hadn't ever heard of Gems of provenance!

[Anonymous No.4902716]

>>4902698
wat FM?

[Anonymous No.4902720]

>>4902716
Down in the Bonehoard, highly obscure and underrated FM.

[Anonymous No.4902746]

>>4902720
Missed that room somehow

[Anonymous No.4903371]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iv8XsblW17A
Not gonna lie, Constantine's speech is really unnerving in French. He speaks slowly in a sarcastic tone, like a smug man talking to a child.
I don't know if it fits him.

>>4902746
Play in Expert. The Bonehoard is full of really strange stuff.

[Anonymous No.4903436]

>'Waking the Dead ' - Idea for a Necromancer mission for T2Gold. Would have featured the Venom Blade, Ghouls, Summing chamber with Demon. This would have featured The Book of Ash as well as ties to the Trickster, and the Mages. An outline for the Briefing has Viktoria send Garrett on a mission to destroy the Book of Ash because of the Mechanists interest in teaming up with the Necromancers. An alternative briefing was to have Garrett found out, after the fact, that he should have stolen the Book of Ash and now has to go after it. This mission was also known as 'Necromancer's Castle (early stages)' and possible placement was directly after 'Casing the joint'.
>Raid at Willard Square - Idea for a mission for T2Gold, where the City watch cracking down on crime showing a more 'low down' section of the City. There appeared to be a problem with having a brothel in the mission.
>'College-University' - Idea for an undercover mission for T2Gold, with the Aristocracy. There appeared to have been an issue with why Garrett needs to go undercover in this mission. Appears to have been worked on by Mike Chrzanowski or Mike Ryan
>Fallen Hammers - Idea for Hammerite mission for T2Gold. possible placement was directly after 'Masks'.

>tfw never

[Anonymous No.4903721]

>>4903371
Do the maps actually change on expert?

[Anonymous No.4903725]

>>4903436
sauce on info?

[Anonymous No.4903741]

>>4903721
I think there are minor changes, such as harder objectives still being accessibles and different monsters spawning, but it's been a while since I played the first Thief. I do know it's still possible to find the treasures in the Bonehoard, through the named treasures are replaced by generic treasures.

>>4903725
http://thief.wikia.com/wiki/Thief_II_Gold

[Anonymous No.4903782]

>>4903721
Most of them have minor changes (loot is moved around, there are more guards with potentially different patrols, some rooms aren't accessible anymore), but Bonehoard changes drastically depending on the difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4903806]

>>4903371
the haunt room is pure kino

[Anonymous No.4903807]

What color is the texture city/cris464 for you?

[Anonymous No.4904071]

>>4903807
dark beige

[Anonymous No.4904078]

>>4903806
The one where a haunt spawns in front of you just as you walk in? It was fucking spooky.

[Anonymous No.4904116]

>>4904071
Does anyone know if the enhancement pack turns it blue? It's also beige for me but I noticed in some videos it's blue, even though they don't use a texture pack. pic related.

[Anonymous No.4904209]

>>4904116
That screenshot uses several mods, so I wouldn't be surprised if that texture is somehow fucked up.

[Anonymous No.4904223]

>>4904116
Don't use enhancement packs.

[Anonymous No.4904234]

>>4904223
I don't, the difference just caught my eye and I thought I could use a plain blue texture, but I couldn't find it in my installation so I got curious.

[Anonymous No.4904238]

>>4885839
What's the line?

[Anonymous No.4904242]

>>4904238
IS it one of these two?

[Anonymous No.4904245]

>>4904242
Yes, set the first one to 0 and put a semicolon at the beginning of the second one.

[Anonymous No.4904278]

What settings do I chose in Tfix 1.6 to avoid getting new AI meshes?

[Anonymous No.4904279]

>>4904245
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.4904291]

>>4904278
have you tried tfix lite?

[Anonymous No.4904356]

>>4904291
What are the differences?

I might like to have the flaming extinguishable candles from Tfix proper.

[Anonymous No.4904548]

>>4903371
wow, didn't even know there was a french dub of these games.

[Anonymous No.4904557]

>>4904548
Except for Garret's voice being a bit weird, it's also honestly pretty good. Constantine sounds sarcastic, Victoria sounds like sex, and the guards sounds like thugs who hit first and ask question later. Which is weird when they assume a guard position instead of just grabbing your neck.

Ramirez's assassins sound laughably incompetent though.

[Anonymous No.4904563]

>>4904557
yeah, i can see they even bothered translating the maps to french. it's rare to see such efforts in the 90's.

[Anonymous No.4904568]

>>4904563
Yeah.
They did screw up Thief 2. Karras' voice actor is highly charismatic, which is in high contrast with his lisp in the original version. I was very surprised when I first heard him in the English version, he sounds like a small, bitter man with a lisp rather than the charismatic cult leader I knew.

The Pagans' speech patterns are also completely lost in the French version, only the Hammerite have some old-sounding lines.

[Anonymous No.4904687]

Anybody played FrenchDecay's missions?

[Anonymous No.4904840]

>>4904687
Breathing Corpses is one of the best undead missions out there. Haven't played his first one.

[Anonymous No.4904845]

Oh yeah, speaking of FMs.
How are the Dracula missions? I'm in the mood for some vampires after watching that abomination that Twilight was.

[Anonymous No.4904859]

>>4904845
It's pretty good, but Bathory is far better. Nosferatu is also really good but it's only one mission.

[Anonymous No.4904867]

>>4904859
Adventure game-y (read:annoying). I've heard his later missions are better in that respect.

[Anonymous No.4905063]

>>4904859
nosferatu is boring as shit, it's not a thief mission it's a point and click adventure on the dark engine, and I remember the author's other missions being similar

[Anonymous No.4905716]

>>4902224
How do I get Shadow of Doubt running?
It's all broken and the guy won't open the first gate properly.

[Anonymous No.4905952]

>>4905716
It just works for me. I've heard about how rickety the campaign is but I seem to have dodged all that. You're talking about the first gate, just past the wall right? I just walk to the guy, then he runs over to the lever, then I go to the gate and he opens it for me. Heads up: after that there's a locked sewer hatch, the lock is hard to see in the shadow.

[Anonymous No.4905995]

Don't mind me, posting some nightmare fuel : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNSh-MJRwAA

I fucking hate these. Unlike zombies and ghosts, these are actually intelligent.

[Anonymous No.4906057]

[Anonymous No.4906281]

>>4905716
new dark is at least responsible for a bug in tears of blood that causes the mission to instantly fail if you play it on higher difficulties.

[Anonymous No.4906856]

Would you rather live in Donal or Reuben's mansion?

[Anonymous No.4906861]

>>4906856
Donal, I love the colors.

[Anonymous No.4907290]

>>4904867
>>4905063
It's a shame, really. The atmosphere is top notch, but when I realized that my exploration of the castle wasn't gonna turn into a cat and mouse situation (Thief probably isn't made for that, though), the spell was broken and the charm lost. But the stealth stuff happens, just outside the castle: atmospheric, sure, and also the least interesting part of the mission. compared to the castle.
It has its moments, lots of those. It does well what it's meant to do, and I enjoyed it for that when I did enjoy it. It's just really weird not playing Thief while playing Thief, especially while in a well designed castle. I should just stay away from unorthodox stuff instead of getting my heart broken like this.

[Anonymous No.4907480]

>>4896636
Only in Thief 2, but NewDark brings it back to Thief 1. It also sucks because the text you type is centered, so your text extends to the left and to the right of where you put your cursor, and text can't be edited once you click away.
I just use my phone, and even then I've only felt the need to take notes when playing Shipping so that I can keep track of who I've hit. I set up a checklist on Google Keep like 5 years ago that I just reset whenever I replay it.

[Anonymous No.4907618]

>>4906856
>>4906861
WHat mission are we talking?

[Anonymous No.4907650]

>>4906856
>>4907618
O NVM didnt realize you were talking about Thieves Guikld

[Anonymous No.4908186]

ANybody still got screenshots of Thief that they took back in the day?

[Anonymous No.4909238]

>>4899629
N'lahotep's Tomb. We return to The Lost City!

[Anonymous No.4909714]

Playing Broadsword of SHeol right now

Completely skipped Guilsatpeak due to terrible AI glitching

[Anonymous No.4909969]

What are y'all playing?

[Anonymous No.4911206]

>>4909714
Great mission, but you gon get memed on after this.

[Anonymous No.4911526]

>>4909969
Replaying TG for the first time in a while. On The Haunted Cathedral now.

[Anonymous No.4911795]

>>4911206
Why will I be memed?

[Anonymous No.4911826]

>>4911795
You'll have to see.

And if you haven't installed the newdark dml fixes for the campaign then you should. The ai in Tears of Blood seems weird anyway but Newdark makes it worse and I think there might be issues in the last mission.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B7quQTgSRc9Kfl9ESXhMRGNibXBEM0xyaVFFRlF4MWdockItcjZwYlJMTnN6ZDlGN0RoY00

[Anonymous No.4911837]

>>4911826
I did install them but I was having problems wit the first two guards stopping in doorways and preventing progress all the time.

Couldn't save because saving made them stop in their tracks permanently until their awareness state changed.

Got sick of restarting :P

[Anonymous No.4911870]

>>4911826
is there an updated version?

In my version I had to pick the lock in ToB with a nail.

In this video they use a splinter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfhBEuYgH8A

[Anonymous No.4911897]

>>4911870
I don't know about that difference. It was a splinter when I played, however I didn't use the ND fixes yet managed not to run into any of the common problems people had with the campaign except for Expert on Tears of Blood being impossible.
I think there was also a key in Nightcrawler that didn't work but I don't know if that had anything to do with newdark.

You do get a nail later on in the mission, maybe you misremembered? To my knowledge there's no alternate version of SoD that's been released, but Tears of Blood itself was released multiple times, as part of this campaign and earlier as a duo with Tuttocomb's Tomb. I don't know if there are any differences between those releases and if there is I don't think you would've ended up playing the other one.

(I say that there's no alternate SoD that's been released because there is actually a remake, which is apparently still going to be released someday, pic related).

[Anonymous No.4911901]

>>4911897
Oh wow! Is SPERRY doing the remake or someone else?

[Anonymous No.4911910]

>>4911897
One version of Tears of Blood has a whole underground area that's accessible while it's blocked off in the Shadow of Doubt version.

>>4911901
Sperry is doing it.

[Anonymous No.4911916]

>>4911901
Yep, he's working on it. I mentioned this in the last thread but he's resurfaced in the last month, having made some posts on The Editor's Guild on ttlg and updating his blog for the first time in a few years. His posts on TEG related to pic related, and I asked him about it and he said that it's a prologue to the SoD remake and is relatively near completion. It'll probably be a long ass time before they come out, if they ever do.

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118907&page=52&p=1841734#post1841734
http://darkfate.org/view/simple/files/fan-missions/upcoming/sperry

[Anonymous No.4913251]

what are the maximu, limitations on brushes, etc in thief gold era dromed after tfix and the dromed toolkit are installed?

[Anonymous No.4913267]

>>4913251
You'll run into other limitations such as cells by the time you reach the brush limit. Don't worry about it. The cells limit is the one you need to keep an eye on. The hard limit is 32760. The map will not portalize anymore if you get past this threshold.

[Anonymous No.4913487]

>>4913267
Do i need to raise that manually in a cfg somewhere?

[Anonymous No.4913541]

>>4913487
No, cells is a hardcoded limit that can't be increased unless you have the source code, and even then it was only increased once with the release of NewDark.
The one thing you can increase however is the maximum amount of objects per mission. This is controlled in the DARK.CFG file in the root folder.
Its default values are:

>; object counts
>obj_min -6144
>obj_max 2048
>max_refs 8192

My own version is:
>; object counts
>obj_min -6144
>obj_max 8000
>max_refs 32768

Changing these values will prevent you from running out of object IDs, which can happen if you have tons of stuff in your mission.

[Anonymous No.4913546]

>>4889640
Is this in the actual game?

[Anonymous No.4913551]

>>4913546
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4913554]

>>4913546
>he hasn't played the blooper reel

[Anonymous No.4913560]

>>4913546
Thief Gold.

[Anonymous No.4914028]

>>4909238
Oh well, it's a start. A lot of people were still trying dromed out at this point and at least we finally start robbing the ruins of this ancient civilization, right under their creepy gods' noses, as a part of our journey.
Facing burricks in tunnel like these it's always a nightmare but, unless I missed some loot, weirdly enough that encounter was completely optional. The other kind of people I love meeting when it's absolutely impossible to run past them is zombies, so I liked the final surprise. More generally, I always enjoy the idea of a guardian being awoken by a thief's ungodly actions. No matter how bleak things become for me just when I'm trying to get out with my ancient relic, it just makes sense for the aforementioned ancient civilization to fight back a little. It's not that great if it's forced on the player, but I'm talking Rocksbourg 1 levels here. In this case it was just a zombie.
A little disappointed I couldn't read the scroll I wasn't supposed to read and let my curiosity be the ruin of me. Perhaps grabbing it through the wall was already enough, as far as forbidden Keeper techniques go. Is there actually a way to open the recess in the wall?

[Anonymous No.4914098]

>>4913541
Thank you - I have altered mine thusly.

Pray tell, builder - art thou toiling on an fm presently?

[Anonymous No.4914741]

How does it feel knowing that most map-makers are goobergate-spewing assholes? I hope to see some change someday.

[Anonymous No.4914751]

>>4914098
>Pray tell, builder - art thou toiling on an fm presently?
Yeah, but it's going slowly. Not much to show yet.

[Anonymous No.4914898]

>>4914741
How does it feel to ask dumbass questions wherever you go?

[Anonymous No.4914967]

>>4914741
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.4914979]

>>4914751
Very cool - what's the premise?

[Anonymous No.4914986]

>>4914979
It's pretty classic all around, not trying to reinvent the wheel. It's mostly a mansion with an underground passage that leads somewhere else, with some different objectives and events depending on the difficulty.

[Anonymous No.4915006]

>>4914986
I love mansions. Is there a murder mystery going on?

[Anonymous No.4915025]

>>4915006
Nope, nothing like that.

[Anonymous No.4915063]

>>4914986
Love that style.

Are you building for the anniversary contest?

[Anonymous No.4915096]

>>4915063
Yup. Hope to make it to the deadline.

[Anonymous No.4915101]

>>4915063
Ahh! I'm going to do a collab with a friend and try to make it in as well.

[Anonymous No.4915543]

>>4914028
"there have been interruptions, such as System Shock 2." Ahahaha. Yes, it is a very basic FM. Simple brushwork. Again, all the loot is located at one place. Forced encounter. Eh. These kinds of optional routes can add a sense of size and toy with your sense of direction. It depends on how they are connected.
It is interesting to note that ingame the mission is called Viktoria's revenge. I checked if there was a .str file of the scroll you weren't supposed to read. I found something else. "Garrett, you destroyed my master, that was your first mistake, I have stolen the Eye and your sword, come and get them, Viktoria". Perhaps there was an idea to answer a loose plotpoint? It was discarded.
The Model Name of an entire skeleton is "skeleton". You see people play around with individual parts. In this case the rib cage is missing.

I forgot to post this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyKoSHhCZwU

[Anonymous No.4916981]

Don't let this thread disappear you taffers.

[Anonymous No.4917054]

There will always be a new thread. All is as it's been written.

[Anonymous No.4917814]

>>4915543
Yeah, what happened to Viktoria after "Escape!"?

Regarding Lytha's survey, what is the difference between sorting the OMs in the order of your preference and giving a score (1-10) to each OM separately? How does it impact the data and analysis?

[Anonymous No.4918026]

>>4915543
>>4917814
What survey?

[Anonymous No.4918654]

>>4918026
http://www.lytha.com/thief/survey/

Found. How did a 1999 survey come up?

[Anonymous No.4919056]

>>4915543
Use a water arrow.

[Anonymous No.4919058]

>>4914028
Use a water arrow.

[Anonymous No.4919698]

>>4918654
My second question is unrelated to the playthrough of fms those two anons are doing. Sometimes the survey is used as an argument in TDP vs TMA debates. I have my doubts about the quality.

[Anonymous No.4920028]

>>4919698
Ohh I see.

Does anyone have a quick reference chart with the Dromed Hotkeys on it?

[Anonymous No.4920039]

>>4920028

[Anonymous No.4920068]

It's going to flop isn't it?

[Anonymous No.4920076]

*blocks your path*

[Anonymous No.4920083]

>>4920039
Thank you very much!

[Anonymous No.4920167]

By the builders haaand!

What sort of error is this?

[Anonymous No.4920181]

Why does TDM do this? It also happens underwater.

>>4920167
Probably something not snapped to grid.

[Anonymous No.4920192]

>>4920181
how did I unsnap something?

(I'm learning dromed as of this week)

[Anonymous No.4920201]

>>4920192
If you moved a multibrush around, things can easily get unstuck from the grid. Or, if you weren't using the grid in the first place. Change to the lowest grid size that you've used and use hilight_check_snap and see if any brushes turn dark blue, and then snap those ones to that grid.

That said I'm not sure if that's actually the cause of the error. I'm also relatively new to this and I got that error for the first time the other day, but dromed crashed before I figured out why.

[Anonymous No.4920252]

[Anonymous No.4920267]

>>4920068
Oh yes hard as fuck, despite some good lgs people working there some other are complete utter hacks.

Way to kill these games for a few more years like Prey did with its mediocrity.

[Anonymous No.4920286]

Time to replay Endless Rain.

[Anonymous No.4920290]

>>4920286
Not seeing Celsius always makes my brain hurt.

[Anonymous No.4920320]

These things make me uncomfortable, like they're going to keep growing and slice you.

[Anonymous No.4920350]

>>4920320
The one near the grass tunnels almost made me shit my pants when I first played tge game.

[Anonymous No.4920360]

How do you play the game regarding saves? I did the first mission in Thief Gold on Expert and I tried doing it without saves but I ended up using just 1 save which put me inside the manor.

[Anonymous No.4920381]

>>4920360
I did everything by now, and I must say 1 save per mission was my favourite when I was only mid skill.

Iron man is fun in Thief as well, missions are long but fair and you do have instruments to run away that you never use when ghosting.

[Anonymous No.4920387]

>>4885351
what's taffin' /vr/o's?

[Anonymous No.4920613]

Fuck boys tried ironman in Thief Gold but it's too tough and frustrating for a firstcomer like me. What's a good and fair saving system for this game without you feeling like a savescummier and still being challenged by the game?

[Anonymous No.4920642]

>>4920613
Save once at the beginning of the level, after a section of the level (e.g. after the mines going into the prison, after the city segment in Assassins), and any time you interact with a ladder or rope arrow.

[Anonymous No.4920647]

>>4920613
The game is really challenging at first, once you first start to disregard modern videogame mechanics and rely on your spacial wit and sound cues.

So I would advise savescum away first.

[Anonymous No.4920656]

>>4920642
Yeah as I mentioned earlier I did this in the first mission with entering the manor. Wish the game just had a checkpoint feature for expert.
>>4920647
But this makes the first playthrough pretty easy and meaningless. It's not really that hard to start paying attention to a guard whistling.

[Anonymous No.4920703]

>>4920290
80 is too warm for a home, or a rainy day, but not hot for a sunny day.

[Anonymous No.4921516]

>>4920320
Do these glyphs even do/activate anything?

[Anonymous No.4921573]

>>4921516
Traps.

[Anonymous No.4921574]

>>4921573
What kind of traps, anon?

[Anonymous No.4921608]

>>4921574
Usually the guy that spawns a purple fireball in your face that takes 80% of your health and alerts every single tax collector in the vicinity to come fuck your shit up.

[Anonymous No.4921692]

>>4919058
Ah, not bad. It's actually kind of clever: the player looks into the sarcophagus, the one thing that immediately catches the eye, and instead of a skeleton or some loot they only find a water arrow. A single watter arrow, at the end of a short mission almost without enemies, it's either completely useless or somewhat vital, and that's what I missed, busy as I was thinking this FM was someone's first attempt. But it's exactly the mission's simplicity that should have led me to think creatively.

Our first ancient tomb and I get outplayed like this. I hope the next one is gonna curse me or something fun like that.

[Anonymous No.4921965]

Ok wew saved at the end of the tailing mission in Assassins, first time I felt me saving was justified

[Anonymous No.4921982]

>>4920068
>>4920267
What would be considered a flop? If a game that tries to cater to a very tiny audience doesn't sell like a Ubisoft mediocrity simulator that was designed by committee to maximize the width of its audience, is that a flop?

[Anonymous No.4922308]

We should do a mission chain together. Establish a theme and then we just pass the mission along and everyone adds a room.

[Anonymous No.4922337]

>>4922308
wait until 20 year anniversary contest is over

[Anonymous No.4922342]

>>4922337
Who not do it FOR the contest as an amusing anonymous entry?

[Anonymous No.4922346]

>>4922308
I thought about that but you'd need somebody who knows what they're doing to keep things in order.

>>4922342
I'm already doing something and I don't know if multiple entries are permitted. I guess that wouldn't necessarily be relevant since its anonymous but still.

[Anonymous No.4922369]

>>4922346
I'm assuming at least one person who is capable would be giving it a 'final pass' before submission.

It doesn't have to be a perfect mission, it would becool just to see what type of artefact it would become.

Plus it's one more new FM for T1

[Anonymous No.4922374]

>>4922346
I could submit it not-anonymously and cite anonymous authors.

I believe multiple entries are permitted.

[Anonymous No.4922395]

>>4922374
I checked. Collaborations, multiple entries, and anonymous entries would be allowed so I'd be on board.

For anyone who hasn't seen it, a similar mission was done before.

[Anonymous No.4922414]

>>4922395
I recall :) What was it called?

Also let us talk mission themes.

I'm feeling that it might be wise to have someone who knows what they're doing pick a reasonable mission size and outline a structure and then that leaves room for lesser-adepts to carve out rooms inside the predefined space.


For my vote, I'd like to do a Hammer theme but not a church.

Maybe a training facility or large rectory, but not just a cathedral or church alone.

[Anonymous No.4922417]

>>4922414
How about a factory? Perhaps with a rectory / barracks and chapel attached?

[Anonymous No.4922424]

>>4922414
I meant to include the link
http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=113039

I'd rather let it be a clusterfuck like this one. A mission designed by many different people like this is going to be one anyway, so might as well go wild.

[Anonymous No.4922439]

>>4922346
Multiple entries is allowed.

[Anonymous No.4922441]

Another option is that we could to an open-ish map with a loot goal and let each player do their own block of the city.

Somebody who knows what they are doing could partition it.

[Anonymous No.4922447]

>>4922414
Takeshi's Castle
Knightmare

[Anonymous No.4922453]

>>4922447
Knightmare is siiiiiick but how the hell could it be pulled off as an FM?

[Anonymous No.4922456]

>>4922441
I think this might be a good bet. Could be a batshit city but it would steel feel somewhat sensible to navigate.

There's buildings created to different standards of skill in any city anyways :P

[Anonymous No.4922508]

>>4920613
Set a limit to your saves, say maximum 3 per level and use quicksave only when climbing ladders/ropes/etc.

[Anonymous No.4922995]

>>4921692
When you spot the recess and the brazier, you may put two and two together. Could have used a hint.

[Anonymous No.4923206]

Were the masks and the reference to Gervasius added to The Lost City in Gold, or was it a detail the picked up from TDP for 2?

[Anonymous No.4923257]

>>4923206
The latter.

[Anonymous No.4923804]

>>4923206
The Lost City was already in Thief The Dark Project, you uncultured taffer.

[Anonymous No.4923950]

SO who is going to kick off our collab mission?

Can somebody who is adept in dromed outline a mission size/template or something?

[Anonymous No.4923981]

>>4920068
It's low budget as fuck, so I doubt it'll lose money. And it looks like it's actually pretty solid.

[Anonymous No.4924103]

>>4923804
He's talking about the commission you can take for Lord Gervaisius about collecting masks in the Lost City for like 150 Gold while shopping before the mission.

[Anonymous No.4924483]

>3 hours to do Thieves Guild

Help

[Anonymous No.4925003]

>>4922995
Maybe a tip at the start of the mission. Those are the best, they make you wonder when the time to apply that knowledge will come. Also the fact that there's two braziers makes them look like a decoration and goes against the intuition-based riddle the author was going for. Naturally, it's good as an actual defense for the treasure, but so are some of the way too hidden keys and switches found (or not found) in other missions. What's the perfect middle ground between realism and a fun mission?

I like to see zombies used in missions with a lost civilization as its core, both in this one and (loosely) Shunned. Unfortunately they're the only undead not related to the hammerites (together with fire shadows if those are undead), but their being generic zombies also helps, they could be anything: in many FMs they're the servants of some dark lord, while that's never the case in TDP.
My own pipe dream is a wider choice of enemies related to the Lost City, that aren't simply beasts that now inhabit those ruins (or mages, or mechanists). The fire elementals aren't that interesting and the Kurshok don't have the subtlety of something that shouldn't be alive but it's still there, lurking those empty halls.

[Anonymous No.4925745]

>>4925003
Faded memories wandering around as spirits? The Lost City is so old, even rotting flesh must have perished.

[Anonymous No.4926913]

Did any OMs use QVars?

[Anonymous No.4927043]

>>4926913
The ones with objectives, yes.

[Anonymous No.4927380]

Just hit the Haunted Cathedral and I can't continue playing. Why does this level feel like I am just playing some mediocre action-adventure game from the late 90s and not Thief?

[Anonymous No.4927458]

>>4927380
Because you're a plebeian. The Haunted Cathedral is one of the best missions in the game. You have an entire interconnected city block all for yourself with riches for the taking.

[Anonymous No.4927803]

>>4927043
Sorry, I didn't specify it. What about a ControlDevice link to a QVar?

[Anonymous No.4927804]

>>4927380
http://www.lytha.com/thief/survey/thc.html
>It correlates relatively high with the rating for the most non enjoyable mission (.17 **).
>That means: The people who gave the most non enjoyable mission a really bad rating, did not like THC.
>I have already analysed the group of people who rated the least preferred mission low in Training. No need to do it again (But they were in a short and harsh summary kiddies.)
>So, people who liked this mission were most probably mot very young. And they enjoyed the entire game more

http://www.lytha.com/thief/survey/rtc.html
>People who preferred the normal difficulty mode gave 'RTC' a lower score
>The preferred difficulty correlates with the number of times played (.19 **) (the more times played, the higher the preferred difficulty mode) and - most interesting! - with the education (-21 **) (the higher the educational level, the higher the preferred difficulty mode!)
>'RTC' correlates also highly with the number of times played (-.15 *) (the higher the number of times played the higher the rating for 'RTC').
>Now, a short analysis of the people who enjoyed 'RTC':
>They played the game many times. They had a high educational level. They gave the least preferred mission a good score. They, dear interested reader, could indeed be the people who replay the game for several times, and who enjoyed the entire game really much.

TLDR: undead haters are generally uneducated and/or underage, play the game on normal difficulty mode, and give exaggeratedly low scores to missions they don't like.

lytha doesn't mention it explicitly, but it wouldn't surprise me if undead haters also tend to play the game like an action game by killing everyone they encounter.

[Anonymous No.4927818]

>>4927803
Hmm, I'm not sure. Most OMs have mission-specific scripts to control objectives.

[Anonymous No.4927827]

>>4927804
Damn, I didn't remember how dedicated she was to this game but Builder bless her. I hope her tongue cancer didn't come back.

[Anonymous No.4927860]

>>4927804
I have some questions about this and I hope you can answer them. Is the raw data and the syntax available? What kind of correlation is used? What is the alpha? What is the difference between sorting the OMs in the order of your preference and giving a score (1-10) to each OM separately? How does it impact the data and analysis?

[Anonymous No.4928413]

>playing "casing the joint" for the first time
>no cool treasure, just shitty coins lying around
>library practically empty
>can't blackjack so backtracking is pretty boring

Will this end?

[Anonymous No.4928419]

>>4928413
After the next level.

[Anonymous No.4928428]

>>4928413
that mission is classic T2 retardation:
>only way to effectively play the mission is by linearily following the strings of hidden passages
>finding the passages is literally an objective on the harder difficulties
>still get a loud fucking "BING BING WAHOO YOU FOUND A SECRET CONGRATULATIONS!" every time you find one of the mandatory secrets

[Anonymous No.4928449]

>I'm gonna retire in style

[Anonymous No.4928791]

>>4928413
It's the worst mission in the game, but it didn't really bother me as much as it seems to bother everyone else.
Eh. 10/10. It's okay.

[Anonymous No.4929085]

>>4927827
Wat? Are you serious about the cancer?

[Anonymous No.4929152]

>>4927827
Their website fascinates me. Its funny how with the dawn of mass social networking the internet feels less personal. Used to be visiting someone's website and their little community felt like walking into someone's house while they had friends over.

Who is this Lytha and are they still active? Their website seems dead as of 2002.

[Anonymous No.4929263]

>>4927827
>>4929085
>>4929152
I tried digging up anything on Lytha and either she quit doing videos, let's plays and writing on her site for good, or she may have gone to whatever Thief-related afterlife awaits a dedicated taffer.

[Anonymous No.4929356]

>>4929152
Lytha Juliania is or was one of the more dedicated members of the TTLG Thief community in the old days before Deadly Shadows. She's from Germany and vastly prefers Dark Project to Metal Age. Nobody knows if she's alive or not. The last video update she made was after a surgery related to her tongue cancer.

[Anonymous No.4929386]

>>4928413
>can't blackjack so backtracking is pretty boring
Can anyone attempt to explain how it's possible to have this opinion? It just seems to be diametrically opposed to reality. When you can blackjack opponents and knock out everyone, that's when backtracking is boring because there are no threats anywhere and you know it. When you aren't allowed to blackjack anyone, that's when there's at least some excitement in backtracking because the threats are never gone.

[Anonymous No.4929569]

>>4929263
>>4929356
Where are the videos?

[Anonymous No.4929573]

>>4929569
>Lytha Juliania
https://www.youtube.com/user/LythaJuliania/featured

Found

[Anonymous No.4929593]

This was the last post by Lytha.

Seems like they were pretty unhappy with the forums / community and probably just left.

[Anonymous No.4929603]

>>4929593
based orbiters

[Anonymous No.4929910]

MORE SPIDERS

[Anonymous No.4929932]

>>4929910
t. Mynell

[Anonymous No.4929981]

>>4925745
That could be interesting, and I guess it's more doable than any new creature conjured to protect those atavic secrets. It's important for the once glorious, now dead lost city to still feel "empty" even when ruled by some undying curse or evil spirit. It's the feel that the good undead FMs recreate so well, and I think it could work fine even with this setting.

I shouldn't hold it like this against the Kurshok. I even find the idea of this species that fell from grace through the centuries intruiguing. It's probably just the mission itself that doesn't do them justice. And with the Pagains giving them battle that sense of emptyness is lost.

[Anonymous No.4930031]

I just finished sepulchre of the sinistral, and holy shit, it's such great FM. it would be a clear "more T1" recommendation if the author didn't use his autistic "zombors" instead of zombies.

it's definitely one of my all tie favourites for T1.

[Anonymous No.4930639]

What lightmap should I use?

[Anonymous No.4930647]

>>4930639
Depends on what look you're trying to achieve. If you use only pure white lights, 16 is good enough. You should use 32 or 32X if you use colored lighting however, otherwise color banding will be very noticeable.

[Anonymous No.4930959]

>>4928413 here

I haven't finished that fucking mission yet. I've been through the whole mansion and the only notes/books I could find (besides the plaques mounted on walls) was one in the library, but the thief wikia transcript page for this mission has much more text. Am I just too dumb or is it possible that my save got fucked? I've experienced weird ass bugs on the truart mission before.

>>4929386
I understand the appeal of ghosting and feel that blackjacking everyone out and then freely running around kind of cheapens the game, but blackjacking for me is just so satisfying that playing the game without that doesn't feel the same. Also, on T2 the missions where you are forced to ghost either have dark corridors everywhere (framed, for example) or have few/sparse guards with easy patrol routes (Casing the joint). The bank mission, in comparison, allows you to blackjack enemies but makes it hard by having noisy floors and large open spaces everywhere, making it very satisfying to pull it off.

[Anonymous No.4930978]

>>4930959
Yeah the missions that were designed to be ghosted were designed to be easier to hide in. The bank mission was deliberately made so difficult that it doesn't even have a loot objective on Expert. Thief 2 gives you a lot of different challenges related to remaining undetected, as opposed to Thief 1 which has a lot more enemy types that require different tactics when dealing with them.

[Anonymous No.4931000]

>>4929603
>based orbiters
What do you mean by 'orbiters'?

[Anonymous No.4931951]

>>4924103
Wasn't that already in vanilla Thief? I remember some gaylord wanting masks, but I don't remember if he was named or not.

[Anonymous No.4932129]

>>4931951
Gervaisius commissioned a person named Sangar to retrieve some exotic masks in the Lost City (in one of his 'expeditions'), and you can get a hold of this commission if you buy it in the loadout store. It turns some worthless masks in the theater into loot. It exists in both TDP and TG.

[Anonymous No.4932203]

>>4932129
waitaminute... the total loot of all difficulty levels in every mission is the same. What happens to the total loot count when buying a commission at the loadout changes some of the objects into loot? Is it impossible to get 100% when you don't buy the commission, or do you get more than 100% when you do?

[Anonymous No.4932216]

>>4932203
That's a good question, I honestly don't remember if there are two totals or only one. The masks have a value of 240 loot combined.

[Anonymous No.4932218]

>>4932203
If you buy the commission the total amount of loot in the level goes up.

[Anonymous No.4932865]

>>4930978
>>4930959

Bank can be completed without any glitches in about 6 and a half minutes.

run to left of bank and get into basement, run past robots into back to unlock vault. Run back out, get on the roof (I don't remember how to do this, but it's easy iirc) drop down to back balcony, use a rope arrow to get across the room it leads into, take a right into room with the vault, grab the macguffin and gtfo)

First time I played it took two or three hours. when I came back after getting good with the mechanics and managing to figure out the above strat and pull it off, I felt like a master taffer

[Anonymous No.4933308]

>>4932865
Good thing that the records room visit is not a mandatory objective so Garrett can magically home in on the correct safety deposit box when the player knows the right number beforehand.

[Anonymous No.4934931]

Taffers.

[Anonymous No.4935202]

Guys, is it just me or does System Shock 2 feels similar to Thief?

[Anonymous No.4935213]

>>4935202
I dunno, maybe them sharing the same engine, animations and most mechanics has something to do with it. Might be just you though.

[Anonymous No.4935435]

>>4929981
Ever since the Mechanists developed the submarine, there is a possibility of an underwater tomb raid mission. The presence of the Kurshok in TDS implies there is underwater flora and fauna opposing the 'earth theme' of the Trickster. The ideas about the Kurshok presented in TDS leave room for improvement. They aren't very memorable? They are dudes with swords living right under the sewer. Their home is a weak derivative of the Lost City. GORT made a model for Thief 2, but it doesn't look great. The facial expression is (still) goofy.

Played Creature Clash Gold. Fun little demo prone to crashing. How did the Hammerites lose to zombies?

[Anonymous No.4935442]

>>4935435
Only hammerites priests can kill zombies for good. And Kushok don't make sense when you consider Thief 1.

[Anonymous No.4935456]

>>4935442
Aren't the hammers blessed? The zombies explode after being hit a couple of times. Can you elaborate on your second point?

[Anonymous No.4935473]

>>4935456
A bit tired and have to keep an eye on the cooking so I'll make it short.
DS makes it clear you can only kill zombies when blessed.

And Kushoks :
>kushok story says Trickster fucked them up real bad
>come humans
>suddenly trickster needs the eye for his ritual instead of using his magic
>doesn't necessarily wants to kill human, just have them living following his laws

[Anonymous No.4935514]

>>4928413
more tolerable than the absolute tedium of thieves' guild at least

[Anonymous No.4935861]

>>4935514
thieves guild gets better once you've played it a couple of times and know the layout of the mission, unlike casing where it just gets even more annoying

[Anonymous No.4935875]

>>4935861
after clearing T2 once, reaching casing is a cue that the fun part of the game is over and that you might as well end your playthrough.

[Anonymous No.4937894]

>>4935875
t. low-tier taffer

[Anonymous No.4937898]

>>4935435
Can't find anything about that in the cutting floor room wiki.

[Anonymous No.4937931]

>>4937898
You mean the Kurshok model by GORT?
http://spirited-tech.com/thief/2016/02/21/kurshok-by-gort/

[Anonymous No.4937936]

>>4937931
Haaa, it's a fanmade model, okay.
Still a pity the cutting floor room wiki has nothing on Thief.

[Anonymous No.4938291]

>>4937936
Information about cut and unused content is scattershot and incomplete.

[Anonymous No.4938505]

>>4938291
Is it too late to ask the devs for more?

We live in the age of twitter

[Anonymous No.4938543]

So how are your missions progressing, fellow taffers?

[Anonymous No.4938570]

Why are Thief 1 and 2 so comfy?

Is it the modest UI, the lighting, the textures?

Those games are fucking art.

[Anonymous No.4938578]

>>4938570
Sound design, lighting, textures and worldbuilding. That and most NPCs are interesting and lovable.

[Anonymous No.4938581]

>>4938543
Burnt out a bit as I've (more or less) finished my manor but haven't put too much thought into how to handle the surrounding streets. I don't intend it to be a large streetcrawler mission, but it'll have a bit more to it than, say, the streets around Bafford's. But I know jack shit about designing cities and everything I come up with seems very arbitrary (because it is). I'm also not totally satisfied with how parts of the manor came out but I'm not sure how much of that is actual problems and how much of it is just me knowing the place inside and out. But I can't really start testing it until I get these streets laid out, and until I figure out how people handle playtesting.

>>4938570
All of the above.

[Anonymous No.4938585]

>>4938581
This is a very nice library. 10/10 would display my books just for show.

[Anonymous No.4938592]

>>4938581
Also I just realized that info_window records time spent building, and I leave dromed open 24/7 even on entire weeks when I don't touch it so people are going to think I'm a brainlet for spending months solid on my little mission.

[Anonymous No.4938610]

>>4938543
I might meet the deadline

[Anonymous No.4938627]

>>4938610
Very nice, very nice.

>>4938592
Yeah this happens to me from time to time too.

[Anonymous No.4938634]

>>4938581
Don't plan too much, put down a few buildings in places that make sense for them, then the streets around them, and then place more buildings working around the ones already there, rinse and repeat until its as dense as you want.

Actual old medieval cities weren't planned, the old quarters of European cities are full of winding street and nonsensical alleyways because new construction was thrown down wherever there was room and the streets had to just work around what was already there. Becuase of this they're more radial in design than organized into even blocks.

[Anonymous No.4938637]

>>4938543
Not too great. My castle is a 152x152 Dromed Unit two level rectangle. One long hallway along each side. I have trouble breaking up this box into a believable castle with twisting hallways.

[Anonymous No.4938673]

>>4938634
This is good advice.

>>4938637
You can maybe work with the layout of a real castle as a base. Of course it's pretty much impossible to replicate castle layouts in DromEd, but that should give you some ideas on how to break the square architecture.

[Anonymous No.4938730]

>>4938637
I found it helpful to start by building a few key rooms such as a kitchen, dining room, and lounge room, finding a satisfying configuration between those and then building outward incrementally, while keeping a not-too-strict idea of the building's final shape and dimensions in mind in order to keep it from becoming deformed. So far I've found this easier to work with than setting boundaries at the start. I usually place rooms before hallways because then, if you've made your rooms not cubes, then winding hallways come naturally from the space between them but if I start by laying down 90 degree hallways, it pushes me toward making cubic rooms.

>>4938634
>>4938673
I've heard that about medieval cities before and that's basically what I've been going for, but I have trouble making my spaghetti streets interesting with changes in elevation and waterways and anything that would make them more than generic stone corridors. I've taken notes from missions like Assassins and Calendra's Cistern on how to spice things up but when I start working on it, I've got nothing.

[Anonymous No.4938747]

>>4938730
One tip I have is to use solid wedges between buildings so your streets look more natural and create elevation differences. You can use this to have underpasses for example. It also wasn't uncommon for medieval streets to feature stairs as well.

[Anonymous No.4938783]

>>4938730
Medival manors would be the center of what would basically amount to a factory town, everyone in the neighborhood would work for the noble or provide services for those who do. Whats the lore on this noble what made him rich? Does he own mines? He's going to have warehouses, smelters, and blacksmiths in his little neighborhood. Does he own a merchant company? Warehouses, shops, lots of wagons and the like about for moving things around, a canal for shipping barges.

And every neighborhood needs wells, bakeries, butchers, housewares, and a market. Every little neighborhood would be nearly self-contained and self-sustaining, without trams subways or cars you don't want to have to commute to the other side of the city for basic goods and services.

I have a good mind for this kind of design I wish I had the autism for the technical side of using dromed or scripting.

I'd enjoy sketching up something, to scale, if you'd like. What parameters would I have to work within?

[Anonymous No.4938816]

pagans dab on the hammies

[Anonymous No.4938824]

>>4938816
PURGE THE FILTH

[Anonymous No.4938876]

>>4935435
I install this one from time to time to check how a certain enemy works without having to find one in a mission. Or to recreate absurd Hammerite warfare scenarios. It feels wrong, witnessing an actual battle in a game like Thief, but it's sort of fun. The way everyone moves the same while fighting creates an harmonious, martial dance.
Couln't find the original Creature Clash by Kung Fu Gecko, the one this Creature Clash is based on. I hope not to many small FMs have been lost through the years. It's the only one we're missing for now (that we know of), so no big deal.

There's even a little background. The overzealous Keepers that created this Device that generates armies seem to be a little too worried about maintaining the balance. It's a theme that will become relevant in the main games only later on, but it's gonna be the premise of many FMs from this point onwards.
The various AIs are divided in thematic teams and the thieves share theirs with the civilian units. I guess the intention was to have them being hostile to guards (and as a result guards slaughter civilians with no remorse), but it's also interesting how this makes them neutral to Garrett. In a way, it's the first FM where our favorite taffer is in the company of friendly colleagues. A rare sight.

>The ideas about the Kurshok presented in TDS leave room for improvement
They deserved something better. Something new, something bigger maybe, probably something impossible due to the technical limitations of TDS.

[Anonymous No.4940182]

I'm currently following a DromED tutorial and will soon dabble in FM making.

What makes a FM good, in your opinion? Or rather, are there things that instantly make a FM bad?

[Anonymous No.4940241]

>>4940182
>What makes a FM good, in your opinion?
-Stock textures and models (there are tons of good custom ones but don't feel obliged to use them because everyone else is - unconventional use of a stock texture can be more interesting than a "just right" custom one)
-thematic changes (see: Song of the Caverns, Assassins)
-appropriate humor
>are there things that instantly make a FM bad
-Camvators
-Adventure game logic
-Overly long lockpicks, locked containers behind locked doors, locks for the sake of having things locked
-Key/switch hunts
-Loot goals that leave you scanning the edge of every room for an hour after you've already finished the main objectives
-Readables that are longer than a couple of pages
-big huge areas that you just have to walk across (long straight hallways, streets that are too big and empty, rooms that are too big)

[Anonymous No.4940253]

>>4940241
>-big huge areas that you just have to walk across (long straight hallways, streets that are too big and empty, rooms that are too big)
Sometimes I find these comfy. I agree with the rest though.

[Anonymous No.4940256]

>>4940182
This is just my opinion.

The good:
> Multiple entrances in the main objective location (a mansion for example)
> More than one entrance to any given important room
> Emphasis on emergent/creative solutions for problems within the context of the game
> Good AI patrols that watch each others' backs but with big enough gaps so the player can move around
> Open-ended layout
> Proper lighting, both for gameplay and for atmosphere
> Proper difficulty balance across the three modes
> Decent roombrushing (no leaking sound, proper sound propagation, etc)
> Proper sound design (no purely silent areas, proper sound distribution)
> Named keys so players know what they're for
> Properly written plot-related reading material: short, precise and to the point
> Proper lockpicking (pickable doors mostly in danger zones, such as lit areas with patrols nearby)

The bad:
> Excessive use of tile/metal/gravel
> Linear progression
> Obtuse puzzles, Thief isn't a puzzle game in the conventional sense (the puzzle in Thief is figuring out the best way to avoid enemies)
> Paths that are obviously far better than others, there should still be some sort of balance between them (front door obviously doesn't count, it's meant to be a terrible choice but still doable)
> Oddball/badly designed new gameplay mechanics
> Overly restrictive objectives/equipment on lower difficulty settings
> Excessive use of keys/gating
> Overabundance of NPCs
> Loud objects in chests (especially if the chests are locked)
> Overly long lockpicking/overabundance of lockpicking
> A loot goal that's too high
> Forced ghosting for the whole level (I think that's fine for one or two self-contained sections)
> Forced combat (players should be the ones choosing to engage the enemy, not the other way around)
> Oversensitive NPCs
> Overabundance of useless items that clog the inventory
> Overly long reading material, nobody cares for that

Might have missed a few things.

[Anonymous No.4940407]

On my first TG playthrough. Finished sword and asked if I had more to look forward to, yall said SongOTC.

just finished it, breddy neat, breddy neat.

Anything else I can look forward to?

[Anonymous No.4940430]

>>4885369
it looks like such a generic skacky mission desu. it has everything down to the obligatory "dear citizens, remember the curfew" notes on the board.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with skacky, because there isn't, but seriously, how many times can you release the same fan mission and get away with it?

[Anonymous No.4940431]

>>4940407
Return to the Cathedral is a cool mission.

[Anonymous No.4940439]

>>4940430
There are three missions in this pic, by the way.

[Anonymous No.4940464]

>>4940256
>>4940241
For the bad, there are also the unopenable door objects.
That shit is so common, I'm starting to wonder if I'm not the only one disliking them. If your door isn't even clickable, why put a door there?

[Anonymous No.4940480]

>>4940464
Ah yeah, that's right. The usual convention is to have decorative doors lack handles (and be textures). Of course these could also be doors opened with a switch, in which case it's a good idea to put a window or opening with the switch in plain sight so people know you can open this door eventually.

[Anonymous No.4940538]

>>4938543
Ack.

I keep having a problem where I portalize or optimize or what-have-you and then my camera movement keys stop working.

Anybody experience this?

[Anonymous No.4940559]

>>4938876
>Creature Clash
https://anonfile.com/U3088af7b3/1999-10-01_CreatureClash_demo.zip

That?

[Anonymous No.4940561]

>>4940538
Never encountered this. Have you tried reinstalling it?

[Anonymous No.4940610]

>>4940561
No, this is on a clean GOG Thief Gold install + Dromed Toolkit + Tfix Lite + the latest version of Newdark editor

[Anonymous No.4940624]

>>4940559
Thanks. In this one is easier to start a battle royale without having most creatures start already damaged, and I'm glad to see my burrick boy win square and fair. He always had it in him.

[Anonymous No.4940631]

>>4940624
>Burrick
Yeah - I just booted it up for old times sake. What's with the elite burrick? :P

You're welcome, looking for any other missions? I downloaded Komags archives a long time ago.

[Anonymous No.4940670]

>>4940624
Yeah, Burricks are OP. I find it funny the Keepers still try to get Garrett back in their organization by offering a position.

[Anonymous No.4940730]

>>4940610
You don't need TFix Lite with the GOG version since it already comes with it.
I'm not sure what could be causing this, did you modify anything in dromed.cfg?

[Anonymous No.4940816]

>>4940730
window size, possibly a couple other small things

[Anonymous No.4941747]

>>4940631
>You're welcome, looking for any other missions?
I don't know which ones are missing from this list http://www.taffersparadise.co.uk/thief1missions.html and I can't ask you to double check, so I'll hope to find everything in place while I play through them and ask around if something's missing.

>>4940670
They're the one faction that knows how capable Garrett is, after all, how he's destined to serve the City's balance in one way or another. Everyone else just sees him as a skillful thief, which could mean either friend or foe depending on the situation.
Still, I can't say I always like how soft they are with Garrett in some FMs. They're usually a plot device that introduces the player to the more weird kind of mission, but they almost treat him as one of them by giving him jobs or even helping him out. It's true that Garrett and the Keepers aren't enemies, but there's a slight distrust between them: they know he's gifted but off balance, and he just doesn't like them that much.

[Anonymous No.4942804]

>>4941747
It seems to me the Keepers just want to control him in some way.

[Anonymous No.4943097]

Need screenshots. Post Thief content.

Reccomend your favorite FM that isn't a widely popular one.

[Anonymous No.4943103]

>>4942804
They probably wanted to have as much influence over his actions as possible because of the frequency of him appearing in prophecies for no apparent reason. They didn't know what Garrett's true role was because Gamall had removed all of the relevant books from the library. So they didn't want to take risks.

[Anonymous No.4943119]

>>4943097
Ebil Thievery

I assume you're >>4909714, did you finish that campaign?

[Anonymous No.4943132]

>>4941747
>>4942804
Y'all are forgetting that garrett is sort of the mary sure of the theif universe.

When you need the best, there's only one guy to call.

[Anonymous No.4943136]

>>4943119
>ebil thievery
Pic relevant?

>SOD
Not yet ;) Soon
Did Circle of the Resurrection instead. Great mission.

[Anonymous No.4943141]

>>4943132
*Mary Sue

[Anonymous No.4943174]

>>4943136
Yeah that's a pic of Evil Thievery. The outside areas look pretty shit but the sewers, man... the sewers. They're some of the spookiest sewers ever.

[Anonymous No.4943180]

>>4943174
I really like the way the exteriors look tbqh

[Anonymous No.4943201]

Can someone who's played 7 sisters tell me how in the everloving fuck I get out of the hammerite place. I've gotten the book out of the library, gone down the fireplace ladder and it's a dead end. For a fucking city FM I hate how one-way this piece of shit is, there's invisible walls fucking everywhere.

[Anonymous No.4943229]

>>4943201
iirc there's a secret passage through the bedroom at the end of the corridor.

>invisible walls fucking everywhere
are you talking about the piles of rubble blocking the way in the hammerite place? because that's the only instance I remember. I don't really agree on it being "one way" either. all areas are interconnected, and there are loops everywhere. overall it's a good campaign, but night three drags it down a bit.

[Anonymous No.4943232]

>>4943229
There's invisible walls all around the inner walls of the cathedral as well, it may be I was never meant to get up there to begin with and it's just NewDark mantling fucking me up.

[Anonymous No.4943236]

>>4943232
Well, duh. All missions made before NewDark never took newmantle into consideration. It's not the mission's fault if you break it this way.

[Anonymous No.4943292]

>>4943236
And it's not my fault if it's impossible to tell if something is intentional or not.

[Anonymous No.4943315]

Man, I was getting into this game and then came the fucking Bonehoard. There's barely even any fucking stealth in this mission, it's so awful. Hopefully the next mission is more fun.

[Anonymous No.4943324]

>>4943315
bad memepinion

[Anonymous No.4943326]

>>4943292
Oh and here's a fun fucking bug, the plague cures can apparently disappear from your inventory on game load, there's 2 hours fucking wasted.

[Anonymous No.4943447]

>>4943097
Deadly darkness for thief gold was the first fm I ever played and to this day is still one of my favorites. Really cheesy and fun. It was later remade for thief 2 as profane ascension, a much more polished fm but nowhere near as charming.

[Anonymous No.4943503]

>>4943326
never happened to me. did they disappear from all your saves?

[Anonymous No.4944041]

>>4943132
I liked this interpretation from a previous thread:
>>/vr/thread/S4721574#p4728036

[Anonymous No.4944194]

Oh what a nice hallway

[Anonymous No.4944195]

>>4944194
NOOOOOOOPEEEEE

[Anonymous No.4944213]

>>4944194
made me shit bricks. I love how you know exactly what's coming and it forces you to go forward anyway.

[Anonymous No.4944225]

>>4944213
I didn't think the first Burrickrayman I met in the circular chamber was very scary at all, but this one was really effectively used

[Anonymous No.4944315]

some of the designs in this mission are top tier.... best I've seen in thief 1

[Anonymous No.4944317]

this room is sick too.
The areas are incredibly simple, but lit and soundscaped so well and with such planned geometry that it is really effective

[Anonymous No.4944319]

so is this key all I need from this motherfucker?

[Anonymous No.4944924]

>>4944213
I like how the author put the low spiked ceiling in that narrow hallway so you get killed if you try to bunnyhop away

[Anonymous No.4945754]

>>4944315
>>4944317
Something about dungeon FMs is that a lot of them go for a fairly generic fantasy dungeon look, or retread the bonehoard with its octagonal vaults. And then there's this one, which has like 3 distinct styles that it goes through that are totally different from other dungeons yet feel at home together. I think my favorite area is the dirt chasm, which seems to be the part you're at there. It's sort of serene but after what came just before it you're still totally on edge.

[Anonymous No.4946046]

>>4944319
>>4945754
What is the key I got from above the sarcophagus for?

[Anonymous No.4946052]

>>4946046
I don't remember. What's it look like?

[Anonymous No.4946104]

>>4946052
Grey with no name.

Is there a path that I missed above the sarcophagus or am I supposed to backtrack out once I get the key?

[Anonymous No.4946124]

>>4946104
Yes backtrack. It opens a chest which will help with the explosive charge.

[Anonymous No.4946129]

>>4946124
already got the charge and opened that passage

[Anonymous No.4946131]

>>4946129
Oh. Did you try the other chest by the spider?

[Anonymous No.4946135]

>>4946129
key was sitting here in the area past the crawlspace above chamber in the pic above

I misremembered and it's called 'Key'

[Anonymous No.4946137]

>>4946131
Yep, murdered that beyotch.

I have the area to the double doors open now and the speed potion and this key.

It doesn't seem to open that lock though :s

[Anonymous No.4946142]

>>4946137
The area where you got that key is across the chasm right? There's that room with the keyhole on the ceiling that leads to it, but there's a door that goes in the opposite direction. Did you go that way yet?

[Anonymous No.4946145]

>>4946137
This is the door that I *thought* it would open

[Anonymous No.4946147]

>>4946142
I think so , that goes to the underwater area with the 4 levers, right?

[Anonymous No.4946151]

>>4946147
There's also a chamber with gears in it or something. I think that key might go to there.

[Anonymous No.4946181]

>>4946151
Ahh I remember that room. I thought I'd need a cog or sprocket :P

[Anonymous No.4946247]

>>4946151
The gears are turning - do I throw the lever and stop them?

[Anonymous No.4946259]

>>4946247
The gears open the door to >>4946145
>here
, but wtf opens the lock?

[Anonymous No.4946271]

>>4946259
There's a button in the room with the chests.

[Anonymous No.4946280]

>>4946271
Motherfucker - it has to be lockpicked, doesn't it?

That's evil.

[Anonymous No.4946290]

>>4946280
Fucking goddamn awful

[Anonymous No.4946391]

>>4943132
>mary sure
Please stop talking.

[Anonymous No.4946774]

>>494639
Don' be like that.
I corrected myself the very next post down.
Play an FM.

[Anonymous No.4946776]

>>4946391
>>4946774
Oops - talking to this person.

[Anonymous No.4946795]

>>4946774
>Play an FM.
I refuse. I have yet to install and finish Thief Gold. There are missions I never did.

[Anonymous No.4946830]

>>4946795
Your opinion is moot then, heretic

[Anonymous No.4946895]

Yes.. .YEEEEEEEEES

Give it to me

[Anonymous No.4946896]

>>4946895
Oh no.... what the plup?

[Anonymous No.4946898]

>>4946896
What the taff?

No.nono

[Anonymous No.4946902]

STAY AWAY

[Anonymous No.4946903]

To the guy last thread who said that Garrett was arrogant.
I kinda disagree. He is very efficient. But his problems, in my opinion, is that he's sloppy and lazy. He routinely has money issues, he's usually underprepared for whatever happens to him (even if he slowly learns to stop ignoring magic), and he rarely has a plan B.
Even Viktoria calls him arrogant, yet notes he underestimate his own importance.

[Anonymous No.4946906]

>>4946898

[Anonymous No.4946908]

>>4946902
>broadsword of sheol
The demon or the giant spider from Blood?

[Anonymous No.4946910]

[Anonymous No.4946912]

>>4946902
That is the unused sword model right?

[Anonymous No.4946913]

>>4946910
That gif makes me wish I still had photoshop.

[Anonymous No.4946914]

[Anonymous No.4946916]

>>4946913
These days you don't even need it
http://intensifies.xyz/

https://deepfriedmemes.com/

[Anonymous No.4946919]

>>4946916
Well that's handy. Thanks mate. Normally I use Comic Paint, it's great for drawing, but unbelievably shitty for animation.

[Anonymous No.4946920]

AAAAARGH

[Anonymous No.4946923]

>>4946920
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM8O9WzHDvE

[Anonymous No.4946925]

>>4946923

[Anonymous No.4946951]

hmm... strangely detailed spider tex.

[Anonymous No.4946952]

>>4946906

[Anonymous No.4946957]

>>4946908
>>4946906
I didn't even realize you guys were warning me

[Anonymous No.4946959]

>>4946957
[arachnophobia intensifies]

[Anonymous No.4946993]

>>4885472
a month late but
>Liking Nightcrawler

[Anonymous No.4947035]

>>4946951
It's because that spider texture was originally supposed to be used on a bipedal humanoid spider demon

[Anonymous No.4947039]

>>4946959

[Anonymous No.4947103]

I'm not sure I want to use 'brick1', because it is too much yellow. What other textures can I choose?

[Anonymous No.4947123]

>>4947103
These two textures go pretty well together. You can try blustn if you want to have the same brick pattern but with a blue color instead, to have a nice contrast.

[Anonymous No.4947153]

>>4940256
This is a good guide to a decent Thief mission.

There's so many terrible FMs because they're designed like extremely linear point&click adventures with bullshit puzzles, keyhunts and the like.

[Anonymous No.4947186]

>>4947153
I feel that people who design such missions either didn't take the time to really look into the original level design and overall principles, or wanted to do something else entirely. The Dark Engine is rather versatile and you can change pretty much the entire game's systems from within the editor, which a whole lot of others games can't do.

[Anonymous No.4947246]

>>4947123
What about a brown texture, disregarding wood and metal? 'wetbrick' or?

[Anonymous No.4947257]

>>4947246
wetbrick is more suited for poorer areas, like maintenance corridors or things like that, and it's also more suited for floors than walls. The core family may have a few brown-ish textures that could work well.

[Anonymous No.4947259]

>>4947257
You could also look in the newmage family, there are a few really useful and cool brick textures.

[Anonymous No.4947413]

>>4947259
I can't find a decent dark brown stone texture. Whack. 'brick1' it is.

[Anonymous No.4947728]

>>4947103
Keep in mind that it'll generally look darker once you set up lighting. Just look at the background in >>4895518

[Anonymous No.4947757]

>>4947728
nevermind, thought you were talking about the other bricks. concastle/cobblew is dark brown but not brick.

[Anonymous No.4948331]

>>4947035
Sauce?

[Anonymous No.4948337]

>>4947103
I like it, don't change it

[Anonymous No.4948358]

>>4947103
Why don't you just takwe that texture, open it in photoshop and change the colour?

The contest specifies that you can make new content as long as it it derived from stock content.

[Anonymous No.4948502]

best unknown T1 FM?

[Anonymous No.4948905]

>>4938730
Thanks. Building rooms are a bit easier now.
>>4948358
You are right. However, custom textures are something I want to meddle with after the contest. I'll take my chances with this one.

[Anonymous No.4948959]

>>4920068
Why do they have completely no marketing?

[Anonymous No.4949095]

How do TfixLite and GoldToDark go together?

[Anonymous No.4949154]

>>4948905
how did you pull off those very nice columns?

[Anonymous No.4949249]

This is a special type of bastardy

Went in circles trying to figure out what my keys were for.

[Anonymous No.4949250]

>>4949249
Danger alarm

[Anonymous No.4949309]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moYwOWf2TT4

[Anonymous No.4949484]

so guise, am I stuck down here?

[Anonymous No.4949569]

First experience playing Gathering at the Bar/inn

[Anonymous No.4949573]

>>4949569
Forgot gif

[Anonymous No.4949676]

>>4949573

[Anonymous No.4950097]

>>4940670
I hope I'm replying to the right post.
Anyway, next up is The Gem. At first, it looks like a return to form after the last two peculiar FMs, but it turns out this one will make our detour last a little longer. The mission is very simple, but it's the first one mainly based on narration and a linear progression.

>>4949573
The Pillars of Hercules of the mission. It's interesting how a couple of weird secrets to look for in the streets around the inn can make the whole place worth exploring and a little more memorable.

[Anonymous No.4950129]

>>4949484
I told you to watch out for the memes bro

[Anonymous No.4950297]

>>4950097
I watched Nexus Letum's playthrough for a bit. The map of assassins is reused. This FM is a follow up to A Keeper's Training, dealing with Garrett's first gig. Also the first FM to include long ingame cutscenes?

[Anonymous No.4951145]

>>4950297
Yeah, a lot of "firsts" this time around. Can't say I like what this mission started, but a stroll in those everchanging dark alleys always puts me in a good mood.
I've been waiting for a mission based on an OM since I first noticed the base field in the construction info. This one doesn't add much to Assassins, but at least it lets you enter the one building that looked interesting other than Ramirez Manor. There's almost nothing to do in there though.
The author doesn't want the player to interfere with those cutscenes, not even in a way that wouldn't go against the "no killing" rule, hence the lack of blackjack on any difficulty. The mission is still devoid of challenge but that's part of the premise. I thought the beggar's scene would spawn some guards in the streets, a callback to Assassins, but that was wishful thinking again.
Even if Stephen Russell is on a league of his own (and I suspect there's a Garrett line for every life situation), I'm not against a new set of lines for a young Garrett, as long as they're used to comment on what both the character and the player see and value some of the mission's moments; in this case, it was more for a narrative purpose.

[Anonymous No.4951235]

>>4948959
What kind of marketing do you mean? Trailers on youtube videos that everyone skips, especially when they see that a game doesn't have Naughty Dog graphics?
Also there's a lot of third party marketing via online content creators who played the backer alpha on streams. Most notable is probably TTLG's own xAcerbusx aka Captain Spandex aka Razörfist who praised it to the high heavens live in front of thousands of viewers. Those viewers follow Otherside on twitter and re-retweet the coverage of Underworld that Otherside zealously retweets themselves.

[Anonymous No.4951251]

I want to make Brutal Thief, where everyone pops like a zombie when you bonk them.

[Anonymous No.4951258]

DF confessions?

I sometimes start up thief on normal so I can make a "thiaf run" where I 360 noscope all guards and servants.

[Anonymous No.4951259]

>>4951258
>DF
*thief

[Anonymous No.4951324]

So I blackjack this fucking merchant in bed and the bastard falls over, gets up, runs out the doors, plays the knockout animation , keeps running , rings the alarm gong and then falls flat on the floor again.

[Anonymous No.4951325]

also what does this secret key I found outside the level do?

[Anonymous No.4951351]

[Anonymous No.4951392]

>>4951259
What kind of accent makes voice recognition typing confuse "thief" with "DF"?

[Anonymous No.4951402]

>>4951324
That's because the actions were set to Absolute, which completely ignores an AI's state. He'd do the same if he was dead.

[Anonymous No.4951413]

>>4951392
I spend a lot of time in the DF general on /vg/. using the acronym feels natural.

[Anonymous No.4951430]

>>4949154
Copy pasted from my notebook:
Use an air cube to carve the entirety of the arch surface. Create a high, thin solid brush. This will be the column. Put one in each corner. Then create solid wedges that follow an arc. Each for one side of the square. Now, look at the ceiling. Use solid corner-apex pyramids, in all four angles. That's a lot of terrain brushes but the cell count is much lower than when using two air cylinders. Put two corner-apex pyramids, one flat and wide and one thin and longer, on top of each other. Make sure you select Align by sides when making these.

Is it clear?

[Anonymous No.4951483]

Everything is clear except these lines:


>Put two corner-apex pyramids, one flat and wide and one thin and longer, on top of each other. Make sure you select Align by sides when making these.

It's not quite clear where these pyramids are placed. Are they going into the corners created by the wedges?

The other thing I'm not clear on is the ceiling area of your screenshot. is that just fattened apexes?

See attached image for my interpretation.

[Anonymous No.4951559]

>>4951483
>Are they going into the corners created by the wedges?
Yes.
>Is that just flattened apexes?
Yes.

[Anonymous No.4951969]

>>4951258
I throw female city watch in the canals of the city levels in 2

[Anonymous No.4951970]

>>4951969
And I don't mean that in an edgy manner, I just like the noises they make when they drown

[Anonymous No.4952285]

>>4951325
It opens one of the locked doors outside the inn. I'm not sure why exactly that door, one would think that the key in the inn's safe is gonna be useful while inside the inn. Maybe Garrett's comment is meant to be a hint and direct your attention elsewhere.
The mission also features the first keyhunt ever in the history of FMs but it's unrelated to the main objective, or any objective at all, and quite odd overall. Ironically enough, the first keyhunt is a pointless one. I don't even know if we can call it that: it doesn't slow the mission to a crawl, it's just an optional challenge.

[Anonymous No.4952471]

>>4952285
Sword of Drakul is a better example of the challenge to find a key that borders on irritation.

[Anonymous No.4952476]

>>4952285
Sword of Drakul is a better example of a near irritating challenge to find a key and the door it opens

[Anonymous No.4952482]

>>4952285
Sword of Drakul is a better example of a near irritating challenge to find a key and the door it opens.

[Anonymous No.4952540]

I portalize and the object 'texture 121' appears.
class --> t_fam/tgtest/BRONZPAT
I shouldn't use the textures from TGTest?

[Anonymous No.4952545]

I portalize and the object 'texture 121' appears.
class --> Missing --> t_fam/tgtest/BRONZPAT
I shouldn't use the textures from TGTest?

[Anonymous No.4952550]

>>4952545
Don't worry, it just means the texture don't have a sound (yet), you'll have to set a sound to each of them.

[Anonymous No.4953036]

>>4951559
ahh wow, thank you so much!

[Anonymous No.4953052]

What are some thief 1 FMs with huge buildings?

I know t2 has Angelwatch, but I am looking for T1 examples as inspo for my level.

[Anonymous No.4953345]

>>4952550
How?

[Anonymous No.4953363]

>>4953052
The Order of the Vine has a massive compound, but it's not like Angelwatch. Gems of Provenance mission 2 has some huge ruins.

>>4953345
You need to locate the texture in the Textures Archetypes (F5 -> Show Tree -> Textures) and drag it into the material you wish it to have (e.g. StoneTex for stone, WoodTex for wood...).

[Anonymous No.4953414]

>>4953363
1. purge_missing_objs
2. load single texture
3. F5 -> Show Tree -> Textures
4. Drag bronzpat to MetalTex
Any other steps?

[Anonymous No.4953461]

>>4953414
Save the gamesys after that (obviously don't name it dark.gam).

[Anonymous No.4953478]

>>4953036
Good luck!

[Anonymous No.4953529]

Satisfying.

[Anonymous No.4953554]

>>4953529
uff

[Anonymous No.4953563]

>>4953529
Very nice.

[Anonymous No.4953626]

>>4952545
Don't use textures from TGtest, all the textures in that family can be found in Opera, Newmage, and Sewer2. TGtest has messed up palettes and is missing material tags on all its textures.

[Anonymous No.4954205]

>>4953626
'bronzpat' from TGtest is darker compared to the version in NewMage. It seemed nicer. As someone said above, I need to account for the ambient light, so it will look darker. The texture was meant to be used for a railing. You are right. I will use the one from NewMage.

[Anonymous No.4954231]

>>4952482
True, and if memory serves me right it's also a fairly linear mission, which means that you either find the key and proceed or you get stuck, hopping around and frobbing every corner. The search for the three rings that open the three doors in Gathering, other than sounding like an old prophecy, is more like an easter egg. The three rings can all be found in places where an observant taffer would look while inside the inn, like behind a banner. So, if you find the three of them while also completing your objectives, you get ot out there with an additional prize: the chance to open a secret room. A rooms that isn't that interesting, though. But having it contain something weird (frog beasts, if memory serves me well) rather than loot, which the player shouldn't need by the end of the mission, is more rewarding than a final boost in the loot count. Weird and interesting would be better (like a certain little big world) but weird is a start.

[Anonymous No.4955358]

skacky where the fuck is the black parade i wanna play it before i'm in my grave

[Anonymous No.4955452]

[Anonymous No.4955545]

[Anonymous No.4955656]

>>4955358
play endless rain a dozen times in a row
there, I saved you the wait

[Anonymous No.4955676]

>>4955656
I find it cute how you assume every mission in The Black Parade is going to be a clone of Endless Rain. As if that's the only thing they can do.

[Anonymous No.4955724]

>>4955676
Yes

[Anonymous No.4955735]

>>4955724
If you had paid a bit of attention, you would've realised that this statement is horseshit.
Chalice of Souls is a very diverse FM and Skacky made the brothel and the caverns, not the city. Also, the two atmosphere teasers they posted show a massive Hammerite church and a huge manor. That's totally Endless Rain.

[Anonymous No.4955753]

Thief FMs with monolithic structures - reccomendations?

[Anonymous No.4955780]

>>4955753
Gems of Provenance mission 2.

[Anonymous No.4955860]

>>4955724
In >>4885369 there's a city mission, a cathedral mission, and a mansion mission, where the mansion is undergoing renovation and consequently has a mix of Dark Project and Metal Age styles. So, no.

[Anonymous No.4955896]

>>4955860
>>4955735
all of skacky's missions feature some sort of building you have to infiltrate, that doesn't change the obvious fact that the city exploration is the whole point of the mission and the manor/cathedral/whatever is an afterthought, something tacked on at the end to hold the rest of the mission together.

[Anonymous No.4955929]

>>4955896
I think that pic related is an overhead shot of the cathedral. It's very much the focus. I'm also going from memory but I think one of them described the mansion as having "some" streets, implying that it's also the focus.
For what it's worth The Unseen also had nothing to do with the city.

[Anonymous No.4955937]

>>4955896
Yeah because you obviously have played the Black Parade missions. If you think he's a one trick pony you're sorely mistaken.

[Anonymous No.4955938]

>>4955929
I also have pic related saved but it's obviously unfinished so who knows if it'll end up nestled in a larger city mission.

[Anonymous No.4955942]

>>4955676
>>4955735
>>4955929
>>4955938
Go back to dromed Skacky

[Anonymous No.4956081]

>>4955938
Thanks for your hard work, skacky. Ignore the trolls.

[Anonymous No.4956127]

>>4956081
go back to ttlg and stay there faggot

[Anonymous No.4956130]

>>4956081
Nigger I'm not skacky nor is entirely valid criticism "trolling". I agree with >>4955896 that his missions thus far are mostly repetitive, I'm just pointing out that BP probably won't be.

[Anonymous No.4956156]

>>4956130
Do you guys seriously believe that the Black Parade team would settle with 10 city missions with little to no variation? Not only would that be boring to play but that's also boring from a design standpoint. They said that they want this to be a love letter to TDP, so you can bet your ass you're going to see other locales. They even say this in the campaign announcement, and they also showed tons of non-city footage. Don't be stupid.

[Anonymous No.4956195]

>>4956156
Well obviously I don't because that's what I just said.

[Anonymous No.4956345]

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