/vr/ - Retro Games

>>998578
I'm against censorship of any kind, but I kinda understand.

Companies like Sega, Sony, etc have made a bit of money by being a Teen target or pushing things a little more edgy.

Its out of Nintendo's area, granted they have nice games in MA history, but lets face it a lot of Mom's have bought Nintendo.

The irony is that Microsoft was supposed to target to a more mature audience yet Conker: Live & Reloaded is much more censored.

>>998578
Conker was a loaded gun. Parents would assume it's kid friendly because it's cartoony, they be to stupid to read the review and at best check the score.
Nevermind there are nut jobs that would claim a review is 'encouraging' kids to buy it.

>>998617
So that means Nintendo Power never reviews mature games like Turok and Mortal Kombat?

>>998617
Conker reminded me of Animaniacs and Gremlins. One of those things that was never as for kids as you thought. Love to this day that they took kids to that movie in theater thinking it was a christmas movie.

>>998617
So that means Nintendo Power never reviewed mature games like Turok, Mace - The Dark Age and Mortal Kombat? It's not like N64 lacked mature games. Or they give no shit about other companies?

>>998631
Nintendo Power was just evil genius.

Marketing you had to pay to receive. Pressured to it by cheap ass tactics and the need for it in some bizzaro logic games. Ads everywhere bragging on games and the next big system before they even named them. And yea it always had that same Disney face the rest of Nintendo has that makes you need to make sure they don't bodies in the basement.

Yet I'm still sad my copies got destroyed...I had all the way back to issue 1 dammit.

>they don't bodies in the basement.
Eh?

>>998648
don't have bodies in the basement

Yea sorry long day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fcid8H3bbo
I'm amased that they never banned this commercial.

>>998663
Just when I thought nothing could top >>998618 as most embarrassing. Thanks.

>>998639
Nintendo Power never preached anything that wasn't true. Like James pointed out, if you read between the lines, you knew when a game was rated shit, if NP gave it the right level of left-handed compliments. The editors praised the shit out of 3rd party games.

>>998747
Hey I miss my copies they were taken over by mold during a move. Issue 1 all the fuck way to the N64.

It was a good magazine, but they could only do so much with their overlords funding it.

>>998617
Actually yeah, I got given CBFD, a few hours later my parents walk in on literal pissing matches and beeped out swearing (from memory the weasels?)in the multiplayer.

haha

>>998663
I'm amazed they even produced this commercial in the first place

>>998624
the difference between it and animaniacs is the adult content in this game is objectionable, nonone cares about dated references and innuends kids wont notice

>>998663

All those comments are cringe worthy.

>People are like "Nintendo only makes games for kids!" and Nintendo be all like "OH YEAH? WELL F@#K YOU!!!! *Brings outs out a very not kids game and everyone S#!ts themselves

I was dissapointed as a kid because I played conker's pocket tails and diddy kong racing and then saw that Conker's Bad Fur day was rated M? Wtf was that all about? And then that one kid who's parents didn't care what he played was like, Dude it's the best thing ever, there is this super hot naked chick in it and they swear all the time and this big piece of poop is a boss and blah blah blah. Didn't really sound appealing to me. I tried it a few years ago on an emulator and it was just a game with good platforming elements but it tries too hard and his voice is really annoying. I don't see what all the hype is about.

>>998663
I specifically remember seeing it late at night, because that's the only time Nintendo would let networks air it

They also limited magazine advertisements to Playboy or so I've heard. Considering how Rare was Nintendo's main breadwinner at the time, it's disheartening that they chose to be a complete dick to them with Conker

I think I'm the only one on the planet who would have preferred to have the original Conker: Twelve Tales over BFD.

Damn, where did all these soccer moms come from?

>Considering how Rare was Nintendo's main breadwinner at the time, it's disheartening that they chose to be a complete dick to them with Conker.
True. But then I'm thinking about Rare wanted to part away from Nintendo for money and ended up with Microsoft where they made only average and shitty games (Kameo - Elements of Power excluded).

>>998578
There's a difference between shit jokes and a good horror game.

>>998578
You know Nintendo had little to virtually nothing to do with Nintendo power right?

>>999875
yea i wonder if OP realizes it was changed to be dirty

>>998578

>>1000126
Chris Seavour actually said in one of the Conker's Let's Plays that it was done to 1-UP the Banjo Kazooie team because they had something of a friendly feud going

>>1000154
Yeppp.
They felt if they kept it more along the lines of what Twelve Tails was going to be it'd be another generic cute animal platformer and there wouldn't be enough to make it stand out from others.
I think they said there were 12 people who worked on CBFD?
Those were the days.

In the Gamegrumps episode with Grant Kirkhope he says that.

Twelve Tails was started before Project Dream, and it was doing really well, the PD team went to have a look at it and crapped themselves. They went back and pulled PD apart and it became Banjo and Kazooie. Meanwhile Twelve Tails was having some problems becase they were dicking around, and a new guy (Chris someone) was brought in to save it. He's the one who changed the direction

Said Gamegrumps episode, it's somewhere around the 42:00 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t70l-9n1rCQ

>mom takes me to store to get this game
>get to cashier
>"you know this is M rated right?"
>yea
>her face when

>>1001049
it was cashiers face when btw

>>1001042
>They went back and pulled PD apart and it became Banjo and Kazooie

Is that why Conker 64 had to become what it did? Because Banjo-Kazooie sort of stole the whole cutsey atmosphere and look out from under Twelve Tales? I wouldn't be shocked if that's where they developed the setting of BK from; Project Dream looked a lot different, while Twelve Tales looked very similar to Banjo-Kazooe.

>>1001059
In the video Grant just says something about them dicking around with the engine? But It's possible they were too similar and the 12 tales teams got the shits with them for steling the look.

>>1001049
Women are so fucking stupid. If they put a mature rating on a carton of milk they wouldn't buy it for their child. They don't know why, nor do they care to find out why. You're not getting it because it says mature, and we can't have that or you might start thinking for yourself, and then she'd be powerless to control the slave she created.

Shitty furry game hyped by N64 kids who thinks it's so "mature and edgy".

>>1001093
>>>/b/

>>1001093
It's not her fault, anon.
We are being trained to value symbols and abstract ratings over reality, and it's just coincidence that women are the easiest to train.

Don't hate the woman, strive to free her from the society that trained her to be this way.

>>1001093
Someone is pissed their mom wouldn't buy them Conker.

>>1001110
*tips fedora* You sir are a gentleman and a scholar

>>1001093
>>1001097
>>1001110
>>>/v/

>>998578

I'm not going to lie, I saw this pic and then tried to mentally ignore it for a few hours, but I finally broke down and fapped to it.

>>1001097
If it was edgy it would be T Rated like other edgy games (Jak 2, Shadow the Hedgehog).

>>1001097
Do you even know what edgy is?

>>1001172
Of course I do, it's a buzzword
and this person is misusing it.

>>1001097

Guy is exaggerating(I hope), but he's right. You need to be 5 to think most of this game's stuff is funny, and the gameplay is mediocre. It's nothing special.

>>1001191
I agree. Played it for the first time a few years ago so I don't have nostalgia goggles for it, and it only got a couple chuckles out of me. Most of it is just so needlessly adult without much reason or for the sake of a really good punchline.

>>1001191
Hey, that's just plain false.
You don't need to be 5, just immature.
I still get a chuckle out of some things.

Multiplayer was a lot of fun though, probably one of the best for N64.

>>1001163
>implying
>>1001181
I bet Family Guy is the epitome of humor to you.

>>998617
>Parents would assume it's kid friendly because it's cartoony
My parents bought me the game becuase there was a squirrel in it, so they assumed it would be aimed at kids.

>>1000154
This is also why you can see Banjo's decapitated head hanging on the bar's wall.

>I don't like Conker's Bad Fur Day. Why everyone else like it? I know: Let's make fun of it by calling it a furry game.
/v/ please!

>>1002083
They're the same people who are convinced "normalfags" are a threat to their beliefs.

>>1002083
You're literally the only person ITT to use the word "furry" and the thread opened with a fucking lewd furry pic

>>1002379
simply*

>>1002375
But that's wrong. They simple had their post deleted. See: >>1001097

>>1002379
oh, i see.

My dad bought CBFD and GTA3 for us when my brother and I were like 10 and 11. He played the main mode in CBFD while we watched. Also, if we wanted to play either game, we had to make a fake ID out of paper, cardboard, and glue. It was awesome.

As an adult, I really love CBFD for various parts of its writing. There is a lot of incredible post modernism and absurdism that is going on in the game, which unfortunately gets over looked by people who want to see it as just shit jokes.

I wonder if this game's price will come down after the collapse.

>>1002394
I wish my dad was as cool as your dad.

My dad walked out when I was a baby

>>1002914
If this collapse is the one I think you are talking about, the price of this game may actually increase.

>>998578
ED had graphic violence.

CBFD had boobs.

Naked people are evil and trauma-inducing, not like a good-ol'-fashioned murder.

Beyond the lewd middle-school aged humor, its just another bunch of furry bullshit.

Why don't you play Saints Row instead?

>>1005546
>MUH FURRY BOOGEYMAN

>>1005546
I don't much care for Conker BFD but you're still a fucking idiot.

>>1001070
Man, it would've been awesome to work at 90's Rareware. I'd better build up the tolerance and try not to accidentally choke someone out of pure rage, though.

>>1003148
Could have been worse. Imagine the kind of guy who just walks out on his baby. Now imagine if he'd stayed and you'd had that kind of a guy as your dad.

Conker was the DmC of it's time. Only reason it's revered is because this was the only "edgy" game Nintendo ever got, and we all know it's fine and dandy when Nintendo does things.

>>1006109
It's Rare, so it was more like second party. I don't think you can really credit Nintendo for it, considering they were probably against it.

>>1006125
>they were probably against it

It's not even a matter of "probably", they absolutely were against it. The game received little to no marketing at all and was kept very quiet on release; as mentioned in OP's post, it was never even mentioned in Nintendo Power, which was essentially NoA's biggest advertisement.

>>998608
So you have any more official art/renders of Berri?

Fan stuff isn't as good.

Thanks.

>>998608
I still find it really strange that she has no tail. I mean, normally I wouldn't care, but a squirrel whose most notable feature is that giant tail?

...she was a squirrel, right?

>>1006160
Pretty sure she's a bunny.

>>1006203
Smart ass.

>>1004662
This isn't exactly true. CBFD had graphic violence, too. In fact, Nintendo asked for certain aspects to be toned down - the torture live dissection scene was altered, for example.

>>998578
Who cares? CBFD is one of the most overrated games ever. I wanted the Conquer platformer they were going to release, not that stupid juvenile game filled with sex and poop jokes.

>>1006310
There's more to BFD than poop jokes. Underneath, there's a very interesting storyline.

>>1006319
Dunno, never finished it. I got past the mighty poo boss, which I'll admit it was fun, but afterwards I just got tired of all the wackiness and the gross stuff.

>>1006342
Berrie dies. Conker crashes the game. He forgets to ask the programmers to revive her. The original ending was supposed to have him shoot himself in the head in the bathroom of the Cock and Plucker - it was toned down, and he just sits on his throne, depressed about all the crown he doesn't want and the things he's lost.

>>1006109
Conker is properly appreciated for being the swan song of the golden age of 3D mascot platformers. The adult content is all the more relevant when you consider the turn to more "mature" console gaming would turn to in the years after. Taking it just for the gross-out humor and tit jokes is doing it a disservice.

>>1006359
>N64
>good games
>games at all

>>998663
dude they would never leave something like that alone if they tried it again!

>>1006364
It had plenty of awesome games. The quality ratio was one of the highest of any console.

>>1006376
It had just over 300 games worldwide. Even if all of the games were good, that's still an awful small amount for any other console, much less the PS1. Even the NES had more than 300 good games.

>>1006387
Nintendo wanted quality over quality. Hence the whole "make the N64 as hard to code for as reasonably possible" approach.

And N64 quality control was insane. Your game had to run for 3 days without a single crash or bug.

The NES had a lot of generic, crummy games. Hundreds of them, in fact.

>>1006393
Unfortunately, that's what put Nintendo in last place. They got burned so hard, they can't compete in the same market they revived anymore.

>>1006402
There were other factors. Many of them involved losing Rareware, who made their bestselling games.

>>1006402
What are you talking about? Nintendo's quality in their games is what made they earn a truly loyal fanbase, and they'll keep making lots of money as long as they maintain it, so don't worry about them and go play some of their games.

>>1006402
>>1006407
From the N64-era onward, Nintendo has struggled to sell 3rd party games. Rareware's stuff sold shitloads - but Rareware was Rareware. They can make Kinect Sports sell like hotcakes. The DS and Wii both have pretty dismal 3rd party sales.

>>1006408
So what? their library of games is big enough to sustain their systems on their own.

>>1006408
Part of the reason would be because Nintendo never got proper third party support. If anything, all they ever got were ports and spinoffs of popular games, and most failed to meet sales expectations. Like Metal Gear. Since the NES days, Nintendo only has 5 Metal Gear games; 3 ports and 2 spinoffs. This is a flawed gauge to use to claim "there isn't an audience for Metal Gear games with Nintendo users", because people have already played those games before, and in some of their cases, they were half-assed ports.

So it's a lose lose situation for Nintendo.

>>1006424
Actually, they did have widespread 3rd party support in the N64 era. It reads like a who's who of the European development world.

The problem is that any 3rd parties they actually liked were upgraded to second party status.

Konami.
Rockstar.
Koei.
Acclaim.
Capcom.
Natsume.
Factor 5.
Treasure.
Rareware.
Psygnosis.
Eurocom.
Paradigm Entertainment.
Sucker Punch.
Namco.
Midway Games.
Bandai.

>>1006424
You need to consider the problem that MGS is a Japanese game, and the Japanese didn't warm to the N64. And the PS2 was the go-to console, not the Gamecube.

>>1006428
Guess for who do all those companies work for now? Factor 5 and Eurocom no longer exist, Treasure sided with Nintendo (ironic given their edgy anti-Nintendo roots), and some of them I haven't heard from since.

I wish Nintendo had more third party support. I shouldn't have to buy two consoles to do what I want.

>>1006436
DMA became Rockstar games. And GTA 5 isn't coming to Wii U. Which is notable. Sucker Punch kinda work for Sony. Acclaim sorta became Retro, and they work for Nintendo.

>>1006434
The Japanese didn't warm to the PS1 either, not until FF7 came out. Had Square not been a little bitch who wished to fulfill their FMV fetish, things would've been different. The Saturn would've dominated 5th gen had it had FF7 and Sega pushed that thing right. They say the Saturn was hard to program for, but so was the PS2.

Again, Nintendo is left in the dust year after year, never to regain their market and developer trust.

>>1006442
>GTA5 isn't coming to Wii U

Which is sad, since it probably would've been the best version of the game. Unfortunately, U owners don't care for any game that doesn't have Mario in the title or doesn't have Nintendo's logo anywhere on it. The Wii may have led the market, but no one but Nintendo and shovelware made money.

When has GTA ever come on a Nintendo console aside from Advance and Chinatown Wars? That's like expecting a knife to cut a brick.

>>1006459
GBC got a port of the first GTA. GTA was a PC series originally, anyway - much like Metal Gear.

>>1006459
Rockstar made Body Harvest for N64, which has elements, such as drivable vehicles, which later turned up in GTA 3.

>>1006462
Speaking of, will there be an edgy reboot of GTA that makes up it's own story? Like Grand Theft Auto: REVENGEANCE?

>>1006467
Had Body Harvest been a launch title like DMA and Nintendo both wanted, would Nintendo have gotten GTA? Or was that game too controversial to put on a Nintendo console, despite market approval with Nintendo owners?

>>1006319
I would have said "mildly interesting storyline" because let's face it, it's pretty disjointed.

>>1006393
If Nintendo ever justified their difficult to program system as "Quality over quantity" that was likely just PR spin after the fact. Nobody strives for difficult to master architecture.

That may keep some inexperienced devs away, but it can keep quite a few talented ones away as well.

>>1006436
Since when did Treasure had anti-Nintendo roots?

>>1006985
since the majority of their releases were for SEGA consoles, iirc the only Nintendo Treasure games at least before 2001 were Mischief Makers, Bangai-O, and Sin & Punishment.

>>1006468
>what is GTAIV