/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9976346
>feel like shit just want her back.
kinda fucked up there huh?

>>9976346
guy i think you have obsessive compulsive disorder. it's time to put earthbound and the girl behind you.

>>9976357
:(

>>9976346
I kinda feel the same way but I also think if I ever actually got to play it (as an N64 game, not Mother 3), the air of mystery would disappear and it just become 'a thing that exsists' for me. I almost prefer EB64 to stay vaporware at this point.

>>9976376
that is very true now that I think about it. everyone was clamoring for that prototype of sonic 1 with the rolling balls and UFOs and then it just dropped one day and everyone was like "good job team" and then promptly forgot about it. also as much as I'd love to see EB64 I do think it would've been kinda shit compared to what we actually got.

>>9976370
you said it yourself. clearly i come to /vr/ to talk about hobbies but chasing your memory and relating with it with the same enthusiasm isn't exactly what i come here for when i think about chatting about video games.

>>9976346
It used to be Dinosaur Planet, then that got released. Then it was DNF 2001, and that got released. Now? I don't even fucking know anymore. Vertexer?

>>9976346
conker twelve tales

>>9976346
Complete schizo moment, but has anyone ever compared the credits of Okage: Shadow King to whoever may have been working on EarthBound 64? Some of the visuals of it make it seem like there is the slightest possibility that some of those who worked on 64 may have jumped ship after its cancellation and used some assets/experience to make Okage, especially since that was an early ps2 title. There were times where I was playing and looking around, especially the first village, that I thought, damn this is like EB64.

>>9976346
I want someone to mass-produce this.

>>9976812
Right pipeline not but so close, check out the blues brothers n64 game credits however

>>9976346
For a long time, I was obsessed with Shinobi III's (still undumped) "Original Final Version" that was sent out and panned by reviewers. Thankfully, it convinced Sega to hire a Data East guy who gave us a 10/10 game in exchange. Here's more info: https://rq87.flyingomelette.com/RQ/SS/S3/main.html

>>9976346
I don't think anything will top Gold and Silver's beta leaking, but I'd love to see Mega Man X's prototype.

>>9976675
Vertexer is a pretty good one. Really, I doubt the game is as good as the sound track. It is a very 90s Taito sound track.

Any of the failed RE4 prototypes.

Its a tie between Shoshinkai reveal Mario World and Tokyo Toy Show reveal Sonic. I know these are some of the most pipe dream protos out there (especially Sonic) but man copium is a bitch.

>>9976346
realize your interest in the game is your mind filling in all the blanks left by unfinished development, and if a final product were ever produced it would never live up to the dragon you've been chasing in your head.

id like that earlier version of Banjo where it was like a top down platformer thing.

>>9977452
Unfortunately, the July 2020 gigaleaks revealed that the SMW prototype you're talking about has about a 99.9% probability of being lost forever, as the tape it would have been stored on was having I/O problems when the leaker tried to get the contents...

>>9976346
For me, it's Kirby GCN. I'm so obsessed with it that I'm thinking about holding a bounty for actual, real life money for whomever can find a working ISO and dump it online.

>>9977326
This is pretty neat, I'm surprised I hadn't heard of this before. Thanks for sharing.

>>9977464
Oh well, if I can’t even hope for a second gigaleak scenario to find that proto, then I’ll just do what I already when thinking about the Sonic proto, and that is vaguely thinking to myself “anything’s possible!” and not thinking any further about the logistics of it so reality doesn’t settle in

>>9977471
No problem, /vr/o. By the way, is there a good Cardcaptor game you know of? Kino show back in 1999 or 2000.

>im obssessed!
>obsessed
>le epic obsessor here! i'm so obsessed
fucking TIKTOK ZOOMERS DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>9976790
This is the only one I still care about, I think. Maybe Mother 3, too.

Though I recently realized that Star Fox Adventures' (Dinosaur Planet's) Tricky is probably the implementation of the planned Berry gameplay.

>>9976346
Hasn't changed in over 20 years. Wouldn't hesitate to post a bounty if I thought it would have any effect

>>9977543
This one here is pretty good. It looks like lots of the others require a decent amount of Japanese to play, so because I'm an EOP I haven't tried them. Maybe we'll see some fan translations some day.

I'd personally like to see the Shenmue Saturn prototype.

>>9976346
Austin Powers: Mojo Rally

Mother 3 on N64 is a good one, but my actual white whale would be Jungle Taitei/Kimba for N64.
>developed by the Super Mario 64 team
>VERY little footage of it is even available online, just some scarce photos of screens and short lo-fi videos from a japanese event where it was showcased.

gta3 alpa/beta

>>9978273
Thank you for bringing this to my attention.
>There's another unreleased Kimba game for the Famicom: https://www.unseen64.net/2008/04/11/jungle-emperor-kimba-nes-unreleased/
Poor Kimba. Never got to have a game of his own.

>>9976376
>>9976393
It's because people think that betas/alphas are completely different games instead of just being broken early builds of a game
Only betas people still care about are Pokemon mostly because it's fun to see what mons didn't get in and how others looked pre-release

>>9978287
At least he got to be a cool boss form (of another character) in Omega Factor.

>>9977326
Let me guess, gaming journos complained the game was too hard which is why Shinobi 3 is so piss-fucking-easy even on Expert and not using any shurikens or ninpo.

Too bad we'll never get to play the real Shinobi 3 in all its glory, just the shitty casual version; the Super Castlevania 4 of Shinobi games.

test

>>9976812
>>9976815
Correct

Nightmare on Elm Street NES where you play as Freddy

>>9979357
DERETE THIS

Night Warriors location test build. Read so many stories about that one.

>>9978297
I fucking love Astro Boy's sprite in this game. I see that pose and already can remember how juggling enemies was. What a great game, I need to replay it. Time for another Hard playthrough.

>>9979357
lmao holy shit

>>9978294
Yeah, games which were well on the way to completion before being restarted from scratch, leading to a totally different game, aren't exactly a common circumstance.

>>9978270
It's a first time when I see this. Looks absolutely idiotic and pointless, but I'm sure as hell if this game ever was released, I would ALWAYS pick Fat Bastard.

>>9979639
>>9979684
It's actually bizarre. Watching gameplay of BB2000 it has the same rhythm based battles as Mother 3, the hold down button to dash, and when you see enemies there's an exclamation point over their like you are being spotted on the overworld. Either the devs saw a demo of Mother 3 and lifted it's ideas or Nintendo figured they'd make back the development costs of M3 by selling some of the assets to Titus and they just altered them slightly. Now I'm going to be on the lookout for Blues Brothers or other Titus prototypes on the 64 to see if there's any leftover data that would prove this.

I want to play the Spaceworld SM64 beta, original castle and all. Fuck that faggot from Rare who is sitting his jew ass on a copy of it.

Would also like to see Kirby GCN

>>9976814
ive played this. the gimmick is awesome
unfortunately, one of the flippers has issues
>>9976346
conker twelve tales
pc cocoron
kirby gamecube

>>9979653
Anything of significant interest?

>>9979854
Does Player 1 dev staff have any nips working in it? I saw they also did Milo's Astro Lanes, Robotron 64 and there was a 4th one (Superman?) So i wonder if any of those also have any similar stuff in them, but maybe not since i think Blues Bros was their last release in 2000. When was Mother 64 officially canceled? Pre 2000 or after? Weird coincidence none the less. It would have been weird of Titus of all publishers to get pieces of it to use.

Banjo X
Ghosts n Goblins 64
Castlevania 2008 directed by Igarashi

>>9979920
Late August 2000 it was cancelled right before Space World. Blues Brothers released in mid October. So unless it was scrapped awhile before they officially announced it the timeline doesn't really add up I guess. I read in an interview somewhere that Itoi still wanted to show off Mother 3 in its unfinished state at Space World 2000 even though they cancelled it, but decided against it as it would just confuse people.

>>9979941
>At first, Blues Brothers 2000 had its pre-production materials designed in-house at Titus Interactive Studio France while they deliberated on which company should be in charge of development. They considered H2O Entertainment along with three other developers. Ultimately, they chose to go with the development studio Player 1.[3] They aimed for the game to be released in late 1999.[3] However, the game suffered major delays.[4] It ultimately released in Europe on October 13, 2000 and in North America on November 17, 2000.

So yea it sounds like if anyone did have access to assets, it would have been Titus, not the actual devs. I think a good way to know for sure if its just a coincidence is to find 1999 or earlier screenshots or video of what the game looked like before its delays. If it's completely different then the final version, then the schizo hole goes deeper and makes one think of a rushed rebuild in 2000 using the EB64 assets they somehow would have got when it was internally canceled, but not publicly known.

If anything, by mere coincidence, like Okage, its probably the closest thing one can play to get a feel of what it may have been like. I actually bought 2000 at launch so now i have an urge to fire it again and let the conspiracy juices flow.

>>9979961
Maybe they got some of the scraps of even earlier versions of Mother 3. The Blues Brothers characters in DCMC are only present in the 1996 build of the game. At the very least there was a lot of parallel thinking going on. That cowboy with the 2x4 is too much.

Maybe they got some of the scraps of even earlier versions of Mother 3. The Blues Brothers characters in DCMC are only present in the 1996 build of the game. At the very least there was a lot of parallel thinking going on. That cowboy with the 2x4 is too much.

>>9979961
Maybe they got some of the scraps of even earlier versions of Mother 3. The Blues Brothers characters in DCMC are only present in the 1996 build of the game. At the very least there was a lot of parallel thinking going on. That cowboy with the 2x4 is too much.

>>9979961
Skies of Arcadia Blue Dragon and Quest 64 also help scratch that old school 3D JRPG itch

Shalom.

>>9976346
In terms of overall content/"what if this released", either Kirby GC or Final Fantasy IV on the Famicom (supposedly, they got quite far on it before being forced to shelf it).
In terms of sheer curiosity: Evolution for the Dreamcast was apparently targeting the Sega Saturn initially before getting moved up. I'm not sure if any builds with an earlier battle system (the dev diary seems to mention that they toyed around with a real-time system where you only controlled Mag) exist, but I'm still curious.

>>9980616
Is thart guy wearing a Bowser mask?

>>9976346
The original versions of Pokemon Gold & Silver.
...Nevermind
https://daily.pokecommunity.com/2018/05/31/pokemon-gold-and-silver-beta-emerges-after-20-years/

I guess the Nintendo DS demo of Sonic using Sonic Heroes assets. Every rom I've found of it online doesn't work.

>>9980616
>In terms of overall content/"what if this released", either Kirby GC or Final Fantasy IV on the Famicom (supposedly, they got quite far on it before being forced to shelf it).
Kirby GC got rebooted twice - first on GameCube and the second presumably on Wii - so there's no telling how far in development it got. The timeline that an Iwata Asks outpines indicates it was supposed to release around Air Ride..and you know what happened after that? Sakurai quit. So the game was probably Super Star 2 and had serious Sakurai (possibly Shimomura) DNA. Whoever picked up the project after the big exodus had no idea how to finish it, which is a shame. The hole in this theory is that Air Ride releases in 2003, whereas the 1st iteration of Kirby GC was shown off at E3 2005..so what were they doing in between? Unless Iwata got the date wrong, who knows...
Final Fantasy IV Famicom was doomed from the start. It was planned to be released AFTER Final Fantasy "V" on Super Famicom, which made no sense. Why even keep a numerical title? Clearly the pretention in Square's titles had early origins. There's no solid proof of this, but I really think the game got recycled as the final Super Famicom Final Fantasy V.
My holy grail would be Seiken Densetsu: The Emergence of Excalibur for Disk System. Despite Seiken Densetsu / Mana being a sort of Final Fantasy spinoff in the end, this actually predates the original Final Fantasy and would've spanned multiple disks. Sadly, it was too ambitious and preorders were supposedly exchanged for Final Fantasy. The rest is history.
>In terms of sheer curiosity: Evolution for the Dreamcast was apparently targeting the Sega Saturn initially before getting moved up.
New to me. Linear awakened some deep protective teen instinct within me and became my first game girl crush so the Dreamcast version came at just the right time for me, Evolution would've honestly missed my radar if it was on Saturn back then but I'll ponder what could've been.

>>9976346
I'm less interested in functioning prototypes and more curious if there're vaults of developer notes and commentary that just haven't ever surfaced.

I want Re-Volt for the Xbox goddammit! I might need to get a hacked xbox. RVGL is pretty cool.

>>9979910
Lots of moves worked completely differently, you can see in that screenshot there that Donovan's Blizzard sword was a completely different move. Huitzil's Final Guardian had him summon another robot which would transform into a turret rather than he himself transforming. Victor's powerup super let him shoot Thunder Break bolts with his normal punches while it was active.

>>9976346
Spaceworld 2000 Zelda demo, completed as a finisher to the 64 trilogy.

>>9976346
there's not alot of them left for me most of my "white whales" are either already out there or pretty much confirmed to be nothing more than whatever demo was shown.

that all said my current "white whale" for retro prototypes is the alpha build of guild wars 1 with the design documents for utopia (the GW1 expansion that became EotN & GW2) being a close second.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJn9GhF8TI0&t=3s

>>9977448
RE4 is another one (particularly the hooked man & airship) but who knows are far along those were? i kinda got the impression that the hooked man was just that demo we saw and the airship was just either just the trailer or what got made into DMC1

>>9981042
i like both. a prototype gives you something tangible to play while design documents give you a clear idea of what they were planning and going for.

>>9982521
RE4 Airship was showcased 1 year after DMC came out.
However most of its plot points were revisited in RE5 and its DLC Lost in Nightmares.

>>9976346
I just want to know all the details of Mother 3's OG ending

>>9981030
>Kirby GC got rebooted twice - first on GameCube and the second presumably on Wii - so there's no telling how far in development it got.
It's hard to get a good image, but number of content and concepts from it were reused for RtDL (Some of the music and assets are labeled "GC" and don't match up; like "Fly, Kirby" is was labeled "Halberd", I think?)
>So the game was probably Super Star 2 and had serious Sakurai (possibly Shimomura) DNA
I remember one of the theories was that it was Super Star 2, especially once concept art of the menu popped up and it had a bunch of icons like Meta Knight's logo.
>There's no solid proof of this, but I really think the game got recycled as the final Super Famicom Final Fantasy V.
I believe that's also a theory that gets thrown around. Would make sense: OG IV was speculated and current V has a few elements of III in it, including at least one unused one (Blue Mage's sprite). Still, I could've sworn Sakaguchi still regreted giving it up in a post-V interview.
>Seiken Densetsu: The Emergence of Excalibur
Looking this up, it sounds extremely ambitious (5 discs). Once you start looking into it, Seiken Densetsu and FF share an odd history with each other. Guess this just adds to spoiler.
But now I'm curious if any of the other games used stuff from it.
>spoiler
Linear very much has a "protect" aura.
>>9980631
Purely coincidental. There's a variant that has a different mask.

>>9981030
>Final Fantasy IV Famicom was doomed from the start. It was planned to be released AFTER Final Fantasy "V" on Super Famicom, which made no sense. Why even keep a numerical title? Clearly the pretention in Square's titles had early origins. There's no solid proof of this, but I really think the game got recycled as the final Super Famicom Final Fantasy V.

They would have probably just changed the numerical title for release or went away with it for the Famicom version.

Releasing a Famicom game after the SuFami came out was probably out of the question for Square. They always made sure to be as technologicaly advanced as possible and marketed on that.

There was another cancelled Famicom RPG which was apparently near completion, a Japanese collector outbid western preservationists. I don't remember the name however

i want to play the final fantasy 7 snes prototype

I faintly recall a D-list Famicom or Game Boy series having its second game canceled, but for some reason they still released the third one as "3" instead of "2". Forgot what it was called...
>>9982943
>There was another cancelled Famicom RPG which was apparently near completion, a Japanese collector outbid western preservationists. I don't remember the name however
Indy the Magical Kid?

>>9976346
The release of Dinosaur Planet gives me hope that one day we'll finally get to play Project Dream or the earliest Banjo builds, but who knows. I'm also fairly confident that there are builds of Banjo-Threeie and Sonic Adventure Saturn out there somewhere, they just haven't been found/released yet.

>>9976675
pretty most of my prototype wishlist now are basically for modern games like the NES prototype of breath of the wild, overstrike before it became fuse or HL2: return to ravenholm.

>>9983038
>Indy the Magical Kid

That's it, yes

>>9983038
>I faintly recall a D-list Famicom or Game Boy series having its second game canceled, but for some reason they still released the third one as "3" instead of "2". Forgot what it was called...
It could have been a port of a PC game series.

The original racing game version of Battle Circuit would be neat, but that seems like it would be very very unlikely because I don't think they ever sent copies out for reviews or playtesting or anything like that, the only reason we know it existed is Capcom publications talking about it.

>>9976357
Theyre referencing this

>>9976346
Really just Earthbound 64, and I don't even like Mother all that much. It just would've been interesting to experience their take on a fully 3D RPG in a time when major series like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy opted for a mix of 2D and 3D of some sort.

>Anything related to Banjo
>Paper Mario 3DS
>Bomberman 3DS

>>9982521
On the topic of MMOs I wouldn't mind seeing what some of the really early pre-beta builds for WoW were like. When stuff like the survival skill was still a thing. Game would probably be pretty barebones but would be an interesting novelty. Good chance Blizzard still has those builds buried on a 25 year old server somewhere considering they had source code and versions for every patch of WoW dating back launch.

MMOs in particular as a whole just present an interesting case of preservation due to them constantly changing. You also have a pretty large case of dead MMOs that never had any private server efforts made while they were live and there is not enough out documentation out there to do anything besides a guessing game to make the game work. Either way lot of games just completely lost to time and never will be playable again that's also the reality we live in now with all the live service games out there.

Turrican 3D

>>9983075
Wasnt it also recently revealed that Kirby Super Star had an NES version made first as a test version, similar to NES BotW?

>>9976346
the old luigi's mansion betas/alphas/prototypes.
shit looked so cool.

>>9977448
Unjustified vaporware

It was quite the awakening realizing most screenshots of incomplete games were mockups or staged and not someone actually playing. Most unreleased stuff like earthbound 64 are probably barely playable.

>>9984186
It had a playable demo at a jap event.

>>9984197
After years of development and press. For example this image of an early build of the game I always imagined all the movement and bustling when in reality all those models were probably just placed there completely stationary.

>>9984186
I remember seeing a legit released preview video of Killer Instict for SNES that purposely included way too many animation frames for a 24 MB cartridge. We all saw how choppy it turned out.

>>9976346
I'd like to see what they had going for Metroid 64 even if it was probably going to be a turd.

>>9976814
Played it a few times in vegas. I was impressed by the sheer hunks of twisted metal that carried the ball up and down,but it was kind of a single objective sort of table. Seemed to need maintenance a lot. I was able to knock that clown's teeth in and grab the jackpot once, feltgoodman.
Is the deal with the devil boomer jew to never dump the rom still in effect? It'll sooner go extinct than get more production at this rate unless someone does some mission impossible shit.

>>9984223
Damn I like this version more than the later ones. Looks like an LSD trip hence more in line with earthbound.

Dragon hopper

>>9976346
Not really unreleased, but my current white whale are the final 5 tracks form F-Zero BS Grand Prix 2. They found the practice week ROM years ago, which how we got the new machines and first five tracks, but the Week 1 and 2 ROM's are still missing, which have all the unreleased Forest and Metal Fort tracks between them. The only evidence we have of the tracks are these videos.
>Metal Fort 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag8-TNxUeRs
>Metal Fort 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a4grPOdZYE
>Forest 1 and 2 (couldn't find standalone videos of them)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE8B1ePtQeg
>Forest 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oiqm97bcvok

>>9977470
Put up 5 ETH and I'll take this very seriously.

everyone in this thread please hold my beer

>>9983641
>Mega Man Legends 3DS

>>9984419
Show him what for it mean to be Mega Man Lesbians

https://youtu.be/RieKG7pw6g8

>>9977454
that's a boring answer. you're a boring person

>>9981123
It was never a game, just a techdemo.

>>9983798
there was a guy who had access to some alpha & beta builds of WoW and was doing a tour of them on youtube.

i can't remember what their name was.

>>9977543
There's a dreamcast game that's like Pokemon Snap but instead you control Tomoyo and have to record Sakura capturing the cards