/vr/ - Retro Games

=== CURRENT PROJECTS ===
A SERIOUS CASE OF /vr/
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9611263/#9611406

FORE/VR/ ALONE
Rules: https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9890843/#9896579

=== FINISH LINE ===
VIOLENT RUMBLE 2
https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9941667/#q9941720

=== NEWS ===
[6-5] ROTT: Ludicrous Edition release on July 31, 2023.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRdZEY6EL5I

[6-1] Pandemonia updated to 2.4.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=60984

[5-31] Duke Nukem Collections 1 & 2 announced for Evercade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcuNpWd-G6g

[5-29] dsda-doom 0.26 now available with beta UDMF support
https://github.com/kraflab/dsda-doom

[5-28] Walpurgis 0.98 is out
https://youtu.be/ieMJf-BHTv4

[5-28] Corruption Cards updated to 5.0
https://www.moddb.com/mods/corruption-cards/downloads/corruption-cards-50

[5-27]Combined_Arms Gaiden upgraded to 2.1
https://combine-kegan.itch.io/combined-arms-gaiden

[5-25] Explore Jam 3 for Quake released
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/explore-jam-3.228/

[5-25] 3D scans of Quake 2 toys
https://blake.toys/tags/quake2

[5-24] Aleph One updated
https://alephone.lhowon.org/

[5-23] Nugget Doom updated to 1.14.0
https://github.com/MrAlaux/Nugget-Doom/releases/tag/nugget-doom-1.14.0

[5-23] Woof 11.1.4 released, Mac/MIDI support improvements and bugfixes for Dehacked
https://github.com/fabiangreffrath/woof/releases/tag/woof_11.1.4

[5-22] "Bring Your Own Class" Zandronum mod release
https://revenatn.itch.io/byoc

[5-18] Chasm: The Rift's re-release gets a major update and console release
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/2061230/view/3730712991560569024

=== PREVIOUS ===
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>>9962613
>fine hell ass

>>9962608
>>9962339
>>9954757

I guess since multiple people want to use it, and since I'm already making a MAPINFO, go for it. I will add any MUSINFO to the wad.
I just ask that you name any extra MIDI that you use as "D_"+the name of your waifu+a number for each additional MIDI.
This offer obviously extends to anyone who already submitted a map.

>>9962604
that's a pretty cute image

>>9962635
how exactly do i replace the music in my wad? i know i can just add a midi to the wad and rename it D_RUNNING but i dont think thats how you want it

>>9962667
That will do just fine if you use a single music. I will rename MIDIs depending on the map order later.

What are some weapon packs?

>>9962696
Pic-related is my personal favorite.

>>9962706
Kinda feel dirty that I gave the developer feedback for that back in the day, but the mod itself is great.

>>9962696
Nothing beats classic 40W range phased plasma rifle.

>>9962715
>Brlzbrlzbrlzbrlz-plzang brlz-plzang
Say hello to tinnitus

>>9962739
>Say hello to tinnitus
guns should be loud, no exceptions.

>>9961041
Giving this a go myself, more thoughts later.

just finished GOING DOWN, holy shit such fun megawad
what should I play now

already played
>ancient aliens
>sunlust
>valiant
>augur zenith
>btsx1 (should replay from the latter part, I think I never finished this one)
I started playing sunder but didn't catch my attention
might be in the mood for some classic shit like memento mori, which I played back in the day
thanks, frens

Can any anons on here tell me how I could go about hosting a Doomseeker server properly without running the risk of doxxing myself like a retard? It won't show up in the server browser no matter what if I have my VPN enabled, even if I enable port forwarding.

>>9962741
64's plasma gun sounds better although most things sound better then then the original plasma gun.

>>9962803
If you're just doing something to play with some friends I don't think you need to have it show up in the browser, you can just give them the IP:PORT and password if needed I believe.

>>9962803
I don't know how about self-hosting, but you can use this as a backup plan
https://allfearthesentinel.com/

OH BOOO

Fucker had a red shield and it didn't work. I had to kill him the normal way.

>>9962834
vat is dis?

>>9962834
didn't know deathstrider had custom enemies
is there a good crash course for someone who already knows their way around base hideous destructor?

I have been thinking about Duke lately since the Evercade thing and I finally realized that the base concept for Duke Nukem Forever is so fucking lame compared to every other Duke game, starting in a Casino is fine but then you wander the desert, find a strip club then go to the Hoover Dam then Area 51( which Duke already did in The Birth).

Time to Kill and Zero Hour's plot are typical time travel stuff but at least the settings you go are interesting, who the fuck cares about Hoover Dame.

>>9962835
Looks like pre-alpha 94 Protons of /vr/

>>9962634
He did such a good job with the pack that I booted up slab6 just to see how a lot of it would look with software rendering. I wonder if he's got plans to do anything else once he's done with the Doom 2 enemies. Wouldn't blame him if he moved on afterwards, shit's time consuming.

>>9962849
>starting in a Casino ... you wander the desert, find a strip club then go to the Hoover Dam
>what is FNV

>>9962860
You definitely don't start anywhere near a casino in that.

>>9962864
that's true

>>9962794
Lost Civ

https://desuarchive.org/vr/thread/9949389/#9951378
What happened here you NIGGURS

>>9962835
>>9962840
It's Deathstrider with Project Malice enemies. It's not an official DS enemy pack but it might as well be, Ace recommends it and it's super cool.

There's the readme and Zhs2's guide:

https://gitlab.com/accensi/deathstrider/-/blob/master/README.md
https://tireiron.us/dsstrats.txt?reader

You can load up into the Flagship and use the console by the doorway to pick a room to go to. One of them is the shop/armory, and on the ship, you can buy everything for free and test things out.

>>9962817
>>9962820
Thanks anons, I'll take this into consideration.

>>9962215
Nice, thanks for the info, was getting messy juggling spells and guns around.

>>9962834
Oh no, le heckin buggerinos!. Fixed. Shields shouldn't affect damage from overdose. Turns out this was bugged for the player as well.

>>9962794
Eviternity or JPCP

>>9963003
Fucking sick. I was almost thinking the shield was canceling out the damage since it was the healing one.

>>9963053
The healing shield doesn't heal the owner. Probably gonna keep it that way.

Can someone please reply? Thanks in advance.

Hello doom thread. I'm kind of a shitter with DECORATE so hear me out:
I've encountered a very ridiculous coding problem in DECORATE and I really don't want to register a Doomworld account to ask about it.

The problem I'm having is usage of A_Overlay to draw additional sprites on the HUD.
https://zdoom.org/wiki/A_Overlay

I'm attempting some dual-welding magic with a knife and a gun, CQC style. It draws nicely when I break them apart, but it doesn't seem to work on Zandronum or any legacy version of GZDoom. It simply errors stating that it's an invalid state parameter. Any suggestions?

Right now the weapon's state for calling it it's just:

Ready:
KP1M A 1 A_WeaponReady
TNT1 A 1
TNT1 A 0 A_Overlay(100,"PistolDraw")
Loop
PistolDraw:
PSTF A 1 A_WeaponReady
TNT1 A 1
Loop

I'm not sure A_Overlay is compatible with these other versions of GZDoom or Zandronum. I can't find any documentation on it other than a bug report on Zandronum's bugtracker with no description of it. Would it be easier to simply merge these two sprites and treat it as a single entity?

>>9963084
youre fucking gay dude lmao

>https://jinotra.in/mods is still offline
Fucking hell, if only I wasn't lazy to mirror it

>>9963087
Also again, this works on GZDoom version 4+, but I wanted to retain support for zandronum for its multiplayer.

>picrel doesn't mention brutal doom even under HISTORICALLY NOTABLE SHIT
someone please give me a ~3 sentence pithy summary of what I'm supposed to think about brutal coom

>>9963129
>someone please give me a ~3 sentence pithy summary of what I'm supposed to think about brutal coom

Brutal Doom is what John Romero would've made if he had the tech for it back in the nineties.

>>9963129
big demons have way less hp and waste time taunting you so they're pushovers while imps are way more aggeresive so typical window dressing becomes deadly
there are so many variations and addons I don't know how brootal doom kiddos deal with this or that version of GZDoom not working with such and such BD

why is quake 64 so fruity looking

>>9963172
The "spam colored lighting so it looks modern" school of game design.

>>9963172
wtf did you do where's the soulification-blur?

>>9962696
>Led Generic Weapons
Just a decent almost vanilla set of weapons
>Dark Passenger
Tilted angle weapons that look decent and has a necronomicon you can charge to cast a buff with. Runs like shit with certain wads though for some reason so it's a bit broken.
>final doomer
A bunch of vanilla-like reskins with some small differences to their balance.
>Naku-Naru
Also tilted angle. Less pretty IMO but fun to use anyway.
>High Noon Drifter
Western style and pretty darn nice.
>DRLA
Actually an overhaul with quite a lot of new weapons that changes balance a lot. Adds classes and upgradeable weapons that can be turned into other weapons. Pretty fun, but not so vanilla. Works well with a few other addons too like the Zeta shop and/or DRLA monsters.

>>9963087
I don't think Zandronum has A_Overlay in the first place.

>>9963172
I've never understood how Quake 64 can do colored lighting, texture filtering, and a more complex skybox effect, but has to have textures cucked down to Wolf3D-tier resolution. It's not like they were big to begin with.

>>9962794
Play some Antaresian Reliquary or >>9962890

>>9963138
Stop parroting this bullshit

>>9963087
KEGAN! SOMEONE HAS A QUESTION!

>>9961482
>>9961512
Term did sounds, except a scant few (sorrow sounds are what comes to mind, and i did the new sunken land sounds). Hexenmapper did music, and of the original 4 eps I think 8 were worked on or done by other mappers. Sunken Land was all mapped by me.
Kassman also did some texture edits and a few new textures.
i think that's it. to clear up credits.
i guess could've just copy pasted the credits txt
too late
everyone was real cool working on it like that. cool people. fun times. night

>>9963259
That other Anon already answered it, sadly.
A_Overlay doesn't exist in Zandronum. The best you got is Flash states using a_gunflash. And what he's trying to do requires using the synthfire trick, which means also getting ACS involved.

>>9963279
>8
maps
8 maps
ok now night

.

>>9963289
Wrong thread chief

>>9963289
wow I thought this room would be empty and I was starting to get scared but then I saw the furniture and the doggo and I'm alright now

>>9962696
I love final doomer.

>>9963193
sorry, is this better?

>>9963237
they probably downgraded the PC textures instead of creating new ones specifically for the N64 version.

>>9963187
I wonder if part of it is that they may have felt themselves forced to add color in places to improve contrast, so that the environment was a little easier to read and distinguish on less than ideal setups (composite, small TVs, etc).
I think complaints about Quake's brownness are a little exaggerated, but nonetheless they aren't entirely unfounded, there are places which really are very brown.

>>9962448
>Is that Tom Hall at the end
Yep.

>>9963237
Because textures are graphics which have to be loaded into memory, and there's only so much which can be loaded up at once on 5th gen consoles. All textures in the environment, every texture on a weapon, monster, or item, every sprite and graphic (like the menu and HUD), every character set, these all need to be loaded into the memory to be used, and the PSX, N64, and Saturn, simply do not have enough memory to load up all the assets in the game in a single instance.

To give you some ideas on these kinds of limits, let's look at Doom on these consoles. Texture variety is dramatically reduced per level, and sometimes the enemy variety is as well, the Spidermind is used very seldom in the console ports, not just because he sucks, but because his sprites are XBox Hueg and putting him anywhere means sacrificing a lot of other stuff, then you have the Archie who's cut altogether because he's got shitloads of frames and he's maybe not that easy to truncate (he also isn't entirely suited to the Jaguar based ports, for the same reason they don't have actual Nightmare difficulty).
For Doom 64, they had some clever approaches to this, such as the Nightmare Imp being a palette swapped Imp and with a fancy translucency effect and tweaked stats, it uses the same assets loaded into memory. Many textures also have color tinting applied to create more visual variety, almost all doors and much of the detail textures (bookshelves, demon faces, some switches, etc), are actually halves which are mirrored, some are even just quads. Water has no animation frames, they're static flats in dual layers scrolling in different directions, with various palettes applied as needed. You also have the dramatically truncated shotgun animations.

wtf Scythe 26 is actually super easy.

>>9962696
War Rooster

I'm curious, what's the general opinion on Perdition's Gate and Hell 2 Pay? No one ever seems to talk about them

>playing deus ex
>everyone is acting like i shot shit up even though i only knock people out and nearly ghost everything
>chewed out by armory guy over massacring people
what the fuck

>>9963426
Really? That's annoying I was considering a non-lethal playthrough up until JC's imprisonment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeAnmEqpftM&t=6m40s
6m40s
Could someone explain what the hell is going on here? I'm assuming he's getting the Cybers stuck by running into their hitbox, correct?
What I don't understand is why aren't the other two Cybers shooting him while he's punching the first one?

>>9963426
I'm pretty sure the game only thinks you went non-lethally if you ghost the level all the way up to the leader. That's the only way I found anyway.
In reality it could be absolutely anything; incidental kills by Gunther or the security bots, some guy falling into water, you name it. Immersive sims are inherently extremely janky because they rely on emergent gameplay and systems interacting with each other, and that just leads to thousands of unpredictable outcomes.

>>9963426
>>9963448
And by ghosting I mean literally no interactions with the enemies - no knockdowns, no being seen, no nothing.

>>9963237
on PC quake needed at least 8mb of ram
the N64 had 4mb (+4 with expansion)
colored lighting is done with vertex colors and don't need much ram or processing
texture filtering was a hardware feature of the n64

>>9963426
You can have Paul kill everyone on the levels he can reach and not get chewed out out provided you never shoot anyone with a gun yourself. You must have killed someone. I've played this map a billion times. I pretty much always speedrun the map by using Paul to kill everyone I can and get the stealth pistol every time.

I don't bother sticking to being fully sneaky after the map anyway beyond trying not to kill NSF types.

>>9963496
Im talking about both liberty island and hells kitchen. i didnt kill a single person at all and had JC bragging about how many people died

>>9963498
Are you playing a mod of Deus Ex?

>>9963496
I don't think you remember the sequence of events. It's after two missions when you go to the armory and the guy chews you out for having killed people.

>>9963501
no

>>9963172
in some places it adds to the atmosphere but damages it in others. it really is a tossup.
the biggest downgrade to me is the music that while still being good it doesn't compare.
for zoomers reading this it was composed by Aubrey Hodges, the guy who made the music for Ps1 Doom, Ps1 Final Doom, And Doom 64.
the PC music was by Trent Reznor from "Nine Inch Nails"
i like this version for replay variety i guess.

>>9963529
I looove the Quake 64 ost man.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNDbn4XhzOI
In some ways it's more atmospheric than PC, which comes off as cheesy in certain spots. 64 has nothing on Falling however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfZqlney7Es
One of the best dark ambient works ever.

>>9963534
i play this kind of music to go to sleep (dark ambient)

>>9963512
I think I do. But you are talking about after Liberty Island - both Castle Clinton and NYC are kind of random in terms of not killing anyone. If you don't shoot anyone yourself it should be fine provided Anna doesn't end up in a gunfight with the Castle Clinton guys - use the secret entrance every time to avoid this. But Hell's Kitchen is kind of random where it all comes down to using the gas grenades + running in with the prod/baton/crossbow and playing real aggressive to knock out everyone you can in the big shootout. It's too chaotic to reliably do every time but just ignore the damage you take and focus on knocking out as many as possible before UNATCO kills everyone. So if you get chewed out there - just appreciate that you get some extra lockpicks/multitools iirc.

>>9963539
I use this every night.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsIjyJvhR9A
Not dark ambient at all. Just beautiful ambient. But if you want something dark...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW78dlUhqWI

>>9963540
That sounds so fucking difficult I had to look up to see if there's unique dialogue at all, and there is.
https://youtu.be/d6FN7xY5eMc?list=PL8B3C5852853469DF&t=55
I dunno if that's worth it. Maybe that pacifist playthrough one day.

>>9963129
A controversial, but very popular gameplay mod renowned by edgelords everywhere. Chances are you've already heard of it or even played it before opening this infographic, even Doom's creators have acknowledged its existence, it was arguably very influential on Doom 2016's development, and it's inspired dozens of offshoots and forks like Project Brutality, Burl Tumd, and Johnny Doom over the years.

>>9963546
There is a clinic to the north so you can at least heal afterwards for no cost provided you reload the game after getting the password. Also bring an armor/hazmat if you are that concerned. Major thing is with proper gas grenade usage - you can make it so most of the enemies aren't shooting at you at least as you run in closer to knock them out. And then the remaining enemies you don't hit are mostly gonna be firing at unatco anyway - just try to get the guys before the park with the baton as much as possible then use crossbow/prod to take out the rest quickly. Or just prod with the prod the whole time if you got the charges.

>>9963396
They're pretty obscure since their commercial status was never relinquished by the devs or publishers, so they're not as readily available as a typical fanmade Doom wad from back then but they can still be found on MyAbandonware I think.

>>9963543
very nice

>>9963562
>they can still be found on MyAbandonware I think.
NTA, but a quick look into MyAbandonware gave me this. Not sure if that's it or not.
https://www.myabandonware.com/game/perdition-s-gate-amq

>>9963573
It is. I just downloaded it.

So-far they're both very TNT Evilution-esque, evocative of the early days of Doom modding where the novelty of rendering a big map or giving it "Doomcute" properties took precedent over level design and structured combat encounters. Not bad though.

>>9963581
A lot of the monster sprite reskins are janky mid-90's CGI pre-renders. I do recognize the imp reskin enemies as showing-up in one of the secret levels in TNT Threevilution from recently though.

>>9963282
>>9963229
Thank you!

> And what he's trying to do requires using the synthfire trick, which means also getting ACS involved.
I hadn't heard of this, I already have ACS involved at some point. Looking this up, I found a community post from a 'Xaser' who uses this method in parkour, and its described in that thread by 'Zhs2' as:
>A_Gunflash, which is already a humongous workaround, combined with tokens that looping states (both Gunflash and not) check in the weapon and scripts that give them based on the keys the player is holding (typically Fire and Altfire).

Any other place where I can read on this trick? I mean besides copying parkour.

>>9963573
>>9963581
http://visionsofdoom.us/wads/perdgate.zip

^ This is the official download link from Tom Mustaine's site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20211020014257/http://www.mustaine.com/about/video-game-work/perditions-gate/

>>9963614
Neat, thanks anon. Definitely see the TNT influence if it was a Tom Mustaine project.

a couple threads ago an anon alluded to the fact that you can toggle frag off in hdest

how

>>9963618
Ugly as Sin addon.

>>9963608
Russian Overkill uses it for the pistols. I don't know if there are any comments on it in the code.

>>9963624
thank

>>9963608
You could look how I did it for the Solar Pistols in Combined_Arms Gaiden.
Basically how it works is one gun is a flash state and the other is a normal weapon state, neither weapon actually responds to primary/altfire, instead there's an ACS script in the background checking for player input, when they hit those buttons, it gives them a token item and then the guns respond accordingly.
This is some old trickery but it's powerful and pretty reliable.

wow this map was so much fun

>>9962613
>getting waifu
we're gonna make it

>>9963663
cool palette what is that from?

Trying something out for the first time, testing the waters hopefully all goes smoothly. I'll be joining here in a little while once I head to lunch.

Got a Dwango5 vanilla deathmatch server hosted through The Sentinel's Playground on Zandronum. If anyone's interested in having a look and blasting other anons the server name is

>[TSPG] /vr/ Dwango 5 Deathmatch

and the password is:

vrvidya

>>9963671
sunlust after the third forced reset

>myhouse is already forgotten

>>9963730
thnx

>>9962849
What? The hoover dam is a good concept just for the scale of the thing. I havent played DNF so i cant say how well executed it is. But the concept of driving a motorbike across it, blasting aliens flying from every direction, sounds awesome. Maybe you have to get across fast to defuse a bomb those alien bastards planted.

>>9963292
I feel dumb for watching it through and expecting something doom related to pop up

>>9963320
Jesus christ

>>9963289
Damn, that's a nice render

>>9963289
Doomcute has gone too far.

>making this map for HDest, show progress to my friend
>he offers to help test stuff, think it's best to get him acclimated to HDest - turns out he's never played Doom before
>we usually just play console games together, blunder my way into running a GZDoom coop in vanilla, we blast through Knee Deep in the Dead together
>start HDest - every minute I'm explaining a new fucked mechanic and he's flabbergasted
>after ~30m ask if he wants to go back to vanilla
>"Nah, I wanna keep doing this"
We ended up having a fair bit of fun even with how fucked stuff is.

what is you're mouse sensitivity in FPS games /vr/oom? How many centimetres to do a 360 degree turn? Why don't you find out now, it's fun.

>>9963814
It depends on the game, I tend to set it higher than the default while making it so I don't turn 360 degrees at the lightest touch

OK what are THE most fulfilling and and greatest doom experiences you ever had? This can be whatever combination of wads or vanilla or whatever, just doom memories that you cherish the most and wish you could replay for the first time again

>>9963737
>dumb
more like doom lmao

>>9963737
just add music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re0A23CSvpw

>>9963848
Doing Hdest with bros on coop was truly some of the best times I had
The cooperation, the coordination, the mechanics, having each other's back, triumphantly getting through rooms and maps
Good times

>>9963848
My first playthrough of Doom on SNES.

>>9963848
First time playing Doom on Atari Jaguar.
I didn't know this kind of games existed and the best looking game i'd played was Shinobi on master system.
It looked real and scary, i was awestruck.

Since then it was Brutal Doom online coop on wads i couldn't possibly know or recall but urban settings ftw. it was 10 years ago or more maybe but the binge was real and the servers were full.
and i say that as someone who prefers vanilla and hates BD for solo play. good times.

>>9963848
in the past i spent a lot of time playing brutality on hell on earth starter pack while listening to the beta mix of run by iamthekidyouknowwhatimean. or porth wen/send me to the void from final station ost.
>inb4 brutalkiddie
in terms of vibes it was an unrivaled experience.

>>9963426
>>9963448
>I'm pretty sure the game only thinks you went non-lethally if you ghost the level all the way up to the leader.
Nope
Sam Carter chews you out over Battery park, not the first level. Its possible that >>9963426 walked through the front door of castle clinton instead of the back way and that's what causes people to think you joined Anna in the massacre. You have to use the back door the little kid in battery Park provides you to be considered Paulsky material

>>9963848
Playing SIGIL co-op with some online friends of mine a few years back
Playing Skulltag as a kid and getting my ass whupped because for some reason I played keyboard only and didn't bother strafing
Getting Doom 3 as a gift a few years later and being excited about it

>>9963848
First time I played the older version of Dakka with a bunch of people, and realizing it was fucking amazing.

>>9963848
Lately it was finishing AugurZ again through Babel, and again it left an AZ shaped hole in my heart. It just hits all the right marks.
One of my favorite memories is getting roped back into Doom in the real early 2000s and finding out Zdoom with all of its features was a thing.

>>9963848
Playing co-op with friends from highschool via LAN and making my first shitty terrible maps.

>>9963671
>Trudging through Plutonia and making smooth progress on subterranean levels (Frontier, Antichrist)
>Rediscovering doom via gaming blogs, playing custom wads like there was no tomorrow
>Stumbling onto this general after a long gaming pause, blasting through Roundabout Cliffside to the Guilty Gear music

>>9962849
It's about how you execute, not what you're working with. And DNF had plenty of good settings, though it was at it's best when it was in locations Duke could riff on more (and had women for sex jokes and damsel-in-distress kinda situations)

>Time to Kill and Zero Hour

I wish those games and Land of the Babes had been re-made in the latter half of the 360 gen so we could've had the best tech without sacrificing the Duke style to the censorship attitudes, a third person time traveling Duke game with unapologetic attitude could've been really good.

>>9963630
>>9963624
I appreciate it.

>>9963910
Feels like you meant to quote >>9963848

>>9963910
this general has the most comfy threads on the whole chins. i try to always have it on a tab even when i don't play retro FPS.

>>9962849
Game stories in general have stopped being fantastical. It's a symptom of the industry being taken over by "The adults" (corporate execs who digest everything through an elevator pitch and not people who do things because it's fun). Duke becoming boring is just Broussard becoming boring, and becoming someone who's only investment in the series became hearing elevator pitches about what the game was about between doing rugs and playing WoW.

Why does it feel like sprite based games have more soul than 3d games?

>>9963919
>I wish those games and Land of the Babes had been re-made in the latter half of the 360 gen
i wish they'd at least release decent ports on Steam, especially since Zero Hour is a Build game...

>>9963940
Even just in terms of graphics, sprites age a whole lot better than 3D stuff does, but it's also that working under those sort of limitations promoted a lot more creativity out of people than just being able to slap down borderline photorealistic 3D models.

>>9963940
>>9963945
early 3D was so ugly.
a friend of mine mocked Doom 64 because it used sprites but the alternative looked worse...
part of why Doom 64 aged fine is because most of the bad reception as i remember it was because of the antiquated engine but now even kids like sprites.

>>9963848
Finishing Scythe 2
It has such a great build-up.

>add ZMAPINFO lump to disable jumping/crouching
>because i added ZMAPINFO now i also need to define the music and next level
>if i don't, map is silent & next level is the cast scroll
w-why doesn't zdoom just default to the regular values for my map slot...

Looking for Doom .wads that a racist would enjoy.

Asking for a friend, obviously.

>have a dream about some adventure
>see a couple of robot characters
>think to myself how cool they are and how i`d want a mod with their weapons
>wake up
>only vaguely remember something about a rocket-powered hammer, missile pods and a jetpack
FUCK

>>9963940
Quake engine games are cozy and so is Unreal, but other dev talents didn’t translate so well to 3D or things got fucked up i.e. Monolith going from Blood to Blood 2.

>>9963970
Mr Friendly
The Adventures of Square

>>9963970
i dont know if anyone would enjoy these maps but they were included in the OP (IWADs and more (>6 GB))
also moonman and the capitalist radio maps, also included in the download

lol
is this actually any good?

>>9963990
Those are mock screenshots, there's no actual game in there.

>>9963919
>It's about how you execute, not what you're working with.
I disagree, were a talking Duke who is an over the top action hero not a military fps, setting and levels are extremely important even more so with DNF being a post Half-Life game.
>the Duke style
That's Duke 3D's style and to be real Manhattan Project did it better, Duke is more likeable in MP, steals less movie lines and saves the babes.

>>9963848
Convinced a few of my close friends, some who don't really have a big interest in Doom, to play Samsara with me on Super MAYhem 17 with Mario enemy sprites and Bolognese gore.

>>9964004
my day has been ruined

>>9963990
>>9964009
It's not totally faked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-WLUdBmRic

>>9963940
Idk man quake and hl have a ton of "soul" in fact certain sprite based modern games like ion fury feel totally soulless to me. It's just all about design and intention more than what tech is behind it.

>>9963396
>Perdition's Gate
Decent but boring.
>Hell 2 Pay
Horrible.

>>9963932
>game stories in general have stopped being fantastical
You're really off the mark and it's not applicable to Duke Nukem at all. The story of Duke Nukem 3d and DNF are essentially the same and in fact, DNF could be argued to be more fantastical, especially with the parts where you get shrunk.

>>9963940
"Soul" is a buzzword that shows the user's utter incapability to analyze why they like something. Define what "soul" is to you.

As some of the other anons said, early 3d models can look really cruddy when time passes but well made sprite art is pretty much timeless because the 'tech' in sprite art from 1993 is pretty much changed to sprite art from 2023 whereas 3d technology has gone forward massively.

But games like Quake 1, Half Life 1 and a number of action games like Silent Hill, MGS1, some old 3d Fighting Games etc show that art direction also mattered for the three-dimensional graphics as well, the visually appealing ones still look pleasant despite them no longer being as technologically impressive.

And people have forgotten a lot of the shitty looking sprite graphics games, a lot of it comes down to the artist. What annoys me a lot these days is when a throwback waves does sprites "becuz retro!!!" but their graphics are low pixel density garbage with shitty animations and modern post-processing effects thrown on top (like Nightmare Reaper)

>>9964007
Sounds like a fun fun time

>>9964040
>You're really off the mark and it's not applicable to Duke Nukem at all. The story of Duke Nukem 3d and DNF are essentially the same and in fact, DNF could be argued to be more fantastical, especially with the parts where you get shrunk.
You mean the same Duke 3D where you
>Go to the moon
>Go to an Alien ship in space
>Go to the ISS (Or some equivalent?)
>Go back in time
>Go to the beach
>Go to the White house

is less fantastical than DNF, a game where you're in a little tiny desert part of the west coast?

I think you're off the mark.

>>9964005
Duke Nukem 3d wasn't that "cuhhrayzee" in terms of it's levels. Most of them were pretty down to earth and real-world themed locations (nothing wrong with that, some of those were my definite favorites especially when it was novel)

I do wish we had gotten more of Vegas itself in DNF and the flashy, neon sign kind of partying instead of everything looking dusty like it's Baghdad or something. Maybe even an amusement park level where you can interact with various fairground attractions given a deadly twist and typical Duke humor etc.

And places like Dr Proton's base, the flippin' moon and battling terminator robots in Area 51 were really neat setpieces.

>>9964040
>You're really off the mark and it's not applicable to Duke Nukem at all. The story of Duke Nukem 3d and DNF are essentially the same and in fact, DNF could be argued to be more fantastical, especially with the parts where you get shrunk.
the fact that it's the same story says a lot tho.

>"Soul" is a buzzword that shows the user's utter incapability to analyze why they like something. Define what "soul" is to you.
the fact that he asked why means that he knows it's a buzzword

>>9964029
>modern games like ion fury feel totally soulless to me
Then you're a fool, do have any idea the amount of effort and work it takes to what they did with Eduke over using any modern engine.

>>9962794
BTSX is ass, play Overboard or Moldy’s NOVA maps if you want more Moldy.

>>9964058
To be fair he is right for a lot of the shit that only tries to superficially be "retro" to use it as marketing.

Stuff like Ion Maiden is very much a minority compared to all the crap just trying to cash in on a trend while it lasts.

>>9964051

>Go to the moon
You go to the moon in DNF too
>Go back in time
No you don't.

>Go to the beach
>Go to the White house
Those are expansion packs and yeah they were pretty neat. The White House was also an insanely wasted level in Duke it Out in DC because it's the first level, there aren't even any proper gags or jokes about the whole thing, it's just kinda... there. Honestly the White House should've been the last level of that xpact but eh.

DNF's Duke Burger level was pretty neat, shrinking you down so you have to navigate a maze of everyday objects turned hazardous and the RC car levels, as well as mine cart riding, wrecking ball, forklift and crane sections etc..

Yeah, DNF could've been more "balls to the wall" for sure but it's not tonally "super serious" when you compare it to Duke 3d.

>>9964057
>the fact that it's the same story says a lot tho
Well, same overall premise. There were some twists and turns like the president being willing to sell out humanity, Dr Proton kidnapping Duke and the whole plot about the Duke Clones he was intending to use against the aliens and then to get control of Earth.

But the basic premise of Duke fighting an alien menace and getting the babes is kind of a Duke series' staple.

>>9964058
Amount of work =/= soul

They worked really hard on something that turned out to be mind numbingly try-hard and completely soulless compared to its 90s build engine inspirations. Just feels like they focused on trying to be like something else instead of originality and lo and behold it's a shittier version of something else which makes it soulless

>>9964082
>Well, same overall premise. There were some twists and turns like the president being willing to sell out humanity, Dr Proton kidnapping Duke and the whole plot about the Duke Clones he was intending to use against the aliens and then to get control of Earth.
the whole thing felt like a giant overcheesy homage in the form of something that had both the limitations of old and new and a few extra layers of stupid. i really enjoyed it but more because it was mildly offensive, full of boobs and still quite interactive.

Monster Condo, The Spirit World and The Living End were actually pretty neat endgame levels. Overall I've gained a lot more respect towards DOOM 2 on this replay run, the midgame slough, shit like that level where you go around turning switching while constantly in the poison and Sandy's city levels had previously turned me off of finishing Doom 2 playthroughs but I'm glad I stuck with it and ended up respecting the game's levels a lot more. It would've probably felt less fatigueing if there was a more Doom 1 style episodic structure with interpics and everything but regardless it was a solid experience.

>>9964058
That and it’s one of the best/better of these shooters to come out in the last several years. Unfortunately my favorite perk about it - being purely on Build - is probably why there’s so many issues.

>>9964103

Aaaannndd it's over. Next up : The Plutonia Experiment !

>>9964098
Cant say for Ion Fury but this would fit for Amid Evil. Its art direction looks like old geforce boxart; the enemies are bland, nonthreatening bullet sponges; and the weapons are worse versions of their inspirations.

>>9964058
You have to admit that Ion Fury feels extremely sterilized compared to the other Build Engine games. Shelly's design downgrade from 90s power bimbo into literal generic background NPC is laughable at best. Humor and dialogue in the game is unironically a redditor's imagination of 80s action movie banter.

The story itself is both very generic and presented completely seriously, like it's trying to get as far away from Duke and Shadow Warrior as possible. Even the fact that there isn't a real final boss fight seems like a bizarre attempt to 'break the mold' that just falls flat.

>>9964067
>crap just trying to cash in on a trend while it lasts
It's clear most people cannot tell the difference.
>>9964098
Passion = soul you fucking retard and no having a soul doesn't make a game good or bad because Quake is game made by a bunch people who that point hated each and just wanted to get something out the door as quick as possible and it's still great for the most part.

>>9964109
as much as i enjoyed it there's something really boring about its visual design in some places.
not sure i can put my finger on why.
the quality is top notch tho you can tell it's a work of love.

I didn't like ion fury. It's competent, but I just didn't enjoy it and the only thing about the game that sticks out to me at this point (played it at release) is the final boss being a worse version of IoS, which is a accomplishment in itself.

>>9964123
>not sure i can put my finger on why.
Let us know when you find out. There’s not many out there of these “new retro”shooters with the same amount of effort and open level design.

>>9963089
ITHURTS!!!.WAD when?

>>9964138
i think it's the industrial style of some areas that don't look as relatable or interesting. the color palette is pretty nice but could also be the culprit as they are more pastel.
it could be a case of boring perfection where nothing really stands out idk.
the level design is great tho and some stuff is the best i've seen on Build.

I love maps that start with you getting assaulted from all sides

>>9964150
Play HFFM

>>9963089
intriguing image

>>9964150
A little gay.

Just completed hexen's second hub with the rebalance mod playing as a fighter and its pretty fun so far since i dont have to deal with vanilla centaurs but it seems a bit easy, hopefully it will get harder from now on.

>>9964150
>>9964159
if i wasn't so lazy i'd draw doomguy sat on a couch with five imps standing hehind it for the next thread OP but i'm too lazy to bake threads anyway

>>9963848
>OK what are THE most fulfilling and and greatest doom experiences you ever had?
First time properly playing it. Good old vanilla DOOM in DOSBox.
>>9964120
>Shelly's design downgrade from 90s power bimbo into literal generic background NPC is laughable at best.
Upgrate*. Original version of Bombshell looked like a stereotypical cheap whore who is just unappealing and not interesting.
>>9964123
>the quality is top notch tho you can tell it's a work of love.
Even if some people don't like Ion Fury (and get some of the reasons), at least it's nice that some are able to acknowledge all the effort that went into it.

>>9964174
That takes like 2 minutes in photoshop

>>9964185
>Even if some people don't like Ion Fury (and get some of the reasons), at least it's nice that some are able to acknowledge all the effort that went into it.
in my case i liked it quite a bit and was disappointed in the direction they took for the sequel because i wanted more even tho some stuff didn't click as much as other build games.(dunno if the expansion is out)
in terms of quality, objectively speaking Ion Fury is the best product of the Build catalogue. it feels more polished and inherited from 25 years of expertise.
>>9964204
i have Gimp because i'm too lazy to crack Photoshop. hell i'm too lazy to look up if i have to pirate it...

>>9964209
>i have Gimp
You have my deepest sympathy.

>>9964217
i fear you sympathy won't help at this stage

>>9964173
I don't even remember how I handled that section, but that sounds about right.

>>9964115
I'm 19 maps into Plutonia on UV pistol start and all I can say is good luck lmao. It forces you from a casual doomer into a skilled enthusiast classic FPS gamer.

>>9963848
Back in the /vr/ cyberrunner/whodunnit/push/etc days.
For single player maybe going through heretic with some call of duty mod. Ended up being retardedly fun for some reason.

Slept on Chex Quest 3 for too long. It's not particularly-challenging or engrossing compared to a lot of shit I've been playing lately but the level design is fun and the soundtrack slaps.

>>9964121
Passion =/= soul either. People are passionate about things that don't amount to anything soulful. Ion Fury is just bland copycat of other styles and games and sci-fi concepts but thinks it's getting away from it for being a "homage" it just feels totally devoid of any real unique creativity which is what "soul" is imo, when someone challenges themselves to bring something new and competitive to the table even if it's not a fully polished thing. Hence the word "soul" because a soul is something individual and unique.

>>9964267
When I played through the Chex wads, I put them on nightmare.

>>9964217
Gimp is fine. Although I wish they'd abandon the layer anchoring system and go with a normal layer setup. It's my only gripe with it.

>>9964267
Yeah, its a pretty nice challenge on nightmare and the secrets arent extremely obtuse like in other doom games

>>9964171
Centaurs are piss easy with fighter anyway. Literally just punch them.

>>9964143
When you make it, anon.

>>9964120
>Shelly's design downgrade from 90s power bimbo into literal generic background NPC is laughable at best

As much as I do like the 1990s 'power bimbo' aesthetic, I think Shelly's design is pretty good for the most part... But they could've stood to sex her up a little more. Needs a bit more t&a you know what I mean. A larger bust size a little more cake to the rear haha. But overall I think she's fine.

>>9964145
I actually really like the industrialcore areas, the various warehouses, production facilities and the like. Though the city areas and the EDF facility are imho the best, they have the most of that delicious lived-in feel.

My biggest minuses I give Ion Fury (aside from Shelly desperately needing bigger tits! Please...) are that the game really needs a more challenging bestiary of monsters, it's got that issue where the higher-tier monsters aside from the rocket-firing terminator torso and the warmech are less challenging than the shotgunner / grenadier enemy. Similarly, there should be more fun to use lategame weapons, the minigun is nice but after the first third or so of the game you've gotten all of the weapons, and since the game isn't episode-based, the progression kind of ends there.

And the soundtrack is quite lame, the "main score" nails the thematic really well, but most of the level musics are a bit too cheery, it needs to be more ominous like Doom / Duke tracks or "thematic" (Verhoeven films maybe??) similar to Blood and Shadow Warrior.

It's still really solid experience and I'm looking towards Aftershock plenty.

>>9964249
>UV
>pistol start
Oof!
I think I'm gonna heed the Casali advice and go with HMP the first playthrough, no mid-level saving but continuous. It's reserving me more challenge for later and maybe I don't feel like getting my shit pushed in that hard...

Also, you know you're in for a treat when the first level greets you with the sounds of an Archvile..

bsp2 was a mistake

>>9964323
Why?

Congo's been a fun map. I think the mappers used the vine covered wall texture, brown water and the base textures to create a nice, jungley thematic is this why they also have so many chaingunners? . A lot of the ambushes were quite on the nasty side but the level isn't also massively long, after having played through 2048 units and 412 Linedefs I can definitely see the Plutonia influence in those wads and I like it. Rather than being bogged down to fight massive hordes and really long maps, both the level architecture and monsters are utilized effectively. The layouts of the area and the "bunkers" with firing slits made it feel a bit lived-in in a nice way. No "doomcute" to speak of, but it had a "location" feel to itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXKnjJ8QRM
There's still a shitload of things i don't know about UDMF.
One thing i should learn is how to make this map a PK3 file that still retains the OTEX textures and those fire traps from Realm667, so when people play it the only other thing they need is MetaDoom.

>>9964320
I enjoy the pain of blind pistol start UV. Each level is an exercise in memory, skill. And learning routes. If I need the help I'll just google secrets.

>>9964332
It's not that bad a mistake actually. You could even argue it's not a mistake at all. But it did allow tronyn to make some maps I don't like.

>>9964340
Well I wish you luck on your journey! I'm certainly having quite a bit of fun on mine, I think I'll eventually venture into the higher tier challenges but for now I wanted to go back and replay all of the official content that I have access to as sort of a palate cleanser to really remind myself how Doom as it was from Id Software themselves is.
Oh, and I gotta say it was cool to see Well of Souls' water drain effect and little features like the drainage canal etc, just a good amount of aesthetic and I loved to see 512 Linedefs etc doing that sort of stuff as well even with the limitations and all.

>>9962604
OK why imp be making me act up in that pic.

>>9964358
you may be gay

>>9964364
And?

>>9964365
i answered your question

>>9964145
The palette is consistent across most Build stuff, especially those faded blues. A big thing about its artstyle is that its more on the grimey/dystopic kind of “cyberpunk” and not filled with lots of color, neon, and rain so I get more Judge Dredd/Transmetro vibes.
>>9964249
>pstart all of Plutonia and feel great about it
>go back and start pstarting Doom 2
Tricks and Traps filtered me more than Speed did.

>be civvie
>play hexen and heretic on hardest difficulty
>complains the game is hard

>>9964304
I'd argue Shelly's new design is a downgrade simply because it completely lacks any sort of character. Her styrofoam-armored full body suit from a 60s sci-fi flick fits a cannon fodder mook more than it does an action hero(ine). Compare and contrast with Doomguy's armored-but-bare-armed outfit, or Duke's absurdly contrasting tank top and sunglasses.

Vanilla Essence is a new favorite of mine. Absolutely remarkable cosmetic mod for GZDoom in its accuracy and compatibility with modern wads.

>>9964380
No way all of doom 2 is way easier than something like Speed which pistol start on UV is by far the hardest official id shit I've ever fucking endured

>>9964397
I like her look in this piece of artwork, looks like something between a motorcycle patrol officer and a riot cop. Needs larger ta-tas, but the design is otherwise tight imo.

>>9964340
It really depends on how weapons are placed in the map. Suburbs from doom 2 is great because the ssg/mega/ammo is in the first building and then you're free to grab the other weapons as you like. Prison in TNT is miserable as the first room is a nightmare and you'll be shotgunning some high-tiers until you find the ssg in the last building.

>be me
>constantly complain about Copper for the dumbest of reasons
>keep playing mods based on it
When will I ever learn?

>>9964416
I would say doom 2 is more painful not because of elegantly balanced but brutally hard difficulty like plutonia where the maps are so short and addictive to restart but doom 2 is hard because the maps just fucking suck and are frustrating because of bad design and not fun to die and retry a bunch of times.

>>9964368
Well nevertheless. He's hot. I want his fireballs.

I hate how the OG Shadow Warrior gets no love

>>9964445
It does, I just dont think it holds up as go as duke or blood. The level design just feels markedly worse than duke and the weapons aren't that fun to use and the enemies just aren't as good or iconic.

>>9964397
Shelly's new and old design were boring for different, new Shelly looks like an NPC, like if Half-Life had girl Barney's they would be Shelly and old Shelly looked like Duke with boobs to the point they could be siblings which was weird, honestly replace her with the cute red hair chick from Sin Episodes and let me play as Blade.

>>9964414
If not for the Loverboy, the cultist around the corner would look more like a main character than she does.
I love the game, but her design sucks ass and it's not even a matter of sexiness, the getup is just completely devoid of personality or focal points.
Even the Bombshell game's design was better, because at least the Bionic commando arm and skull-motif chest plate were fucking something.

Almost needed a guide but i completed the third hub of hexen

>>9964209
Hopefully, Aftershock withh stratch that itch for you. And whatever Voidpoint ends up making next.

>>9964414
Guy on the right looks more like a protagonist

>>9964392
He's right about Hexen because Hexen's entire gameplay design is just bad no matter the difficulty but yeah playing Heretic on black plague was weird.
>>9964465
Arm sure but that hair is just bad.

>>9964304
I haven't played Ion fury, but when I see this character I have the feel that i'm going to play some obnoxious character that will make lots of cringe jokes to make herself 'le badass' and never shuts the fuck up during the game. I hope i'm wrong.

>>9964460
>if Half-Life had girl Barney's they would be Shelly
Not a negative for me.
I love the "shirt and tie" look if done well. It would make working in Black Mesa even more attractive prospect if that was possible.

>>9964413
I just found the strictness of pistol starting Tricks and Traps harder than any of the pistol starts in Plutonia, made me appreciate 2 somewhat.
>>9964414
>helmetted Shelly
This would’ve been great to see on the mug, I’m otherwise satisfied with her overall look in IF.
>>9964428
Looks like you’re screwed.
>>9964445
I just don’t think the setting appeals to people as much as Blood or the legacy of Duke3D does. It also came out way too late and sold terribly. Not helping much is Wang being the least “politically correct”.

>>9964492
>some obnoxious character that will make lots of cringe jokes to make herself 'le badass' and never shuts the fuck up during the game

Yeah, like all Build Engine protagonists.
You can turn off her voicelines if you don't enjoy them. I do, which is why I keep them on.

>>9964380
>The palette is consistent across most Build stuff
nah faded blues are not a problem for me, it reminds me of some movies' color grading. it had a big impact on my first encounter with douk.

>>9964521
>>9964380
also forgot to add, the digitized/photographic look of some textures in games of that time has a certain charm to it.

>>9964445
I like it a lot. I think it's got a strong thematic (that I enjoy)

>>9964450
>weapons aren't that fun to use
Kiddings me ? Each to their own I guess but I looooved the uzis, the sword, the grenade launcher, the throwing stars and the cut-off guardian head etc. And the bazooka with the nuke etc.

The items are also pretty useful, like the ripper heart producing a second Wang that fights enemies etc.

As much as I like Ion Fury, I wish instead of the modern SMGs it had the classic Uzi like Wang does, with the telescoping stock, just feels so powerful but with the "oomph" and on-demand reloading like IF.

One thing that I think is lacking in Shadow Warrior though is that the physics of moving and aiming feel remarkably worse than Duke / Blood / IF or even Redneck Rampage for some reason. Wang's fast but the moving and aiming feels like it drags a bit ?
>>9964497

>Not helping much is Wang being the least “politically correct”.
For me it's another positive. I hate the modern flavorless "le wholesome good egg" kind of shit being forced into everything. Lo Wang's the kind of harmless but really fun stereotype that's not supposed to be taken seriously at all.

>>9963129
You guys ever considered updating this?

>>9964529
Redneck Rampage did a lot of that. Works really well for the environments, a bit hit & miss on the enemies.

>>9964497
that easteregg prompt was lying

>>9963445
Pls respond.

>>9964532
Yes, do you have any ideas personally? Like, if there is anything missing or outdated

>>9964541
They are probably targeting something they can't see, but I'm not 100% sure.

>>9964542
NTA but, the tiny.cc link at the top is dead (as are some of the links in the pastebin in the OP)

>>9964541
Didn't watch the whole thing, but my guess is that they are infighting with something down there that they can't aim at.

>>9964542
Perhaps updating the newest /vr/ wads from 2020 to current year and some links. idk the rest, people still suggesting to play those wads nowdays.

i will be the one to pick up where kurashiki left off since all she has been doing is drawing her for honor character

>>9964590
Godspeed.

>>9964590
She's been through some shit, that she's drawing anything is better than nothing.

I need your thought on enemy "teleporting" in Doom. I've already gave this ability to a boss enemy and it's pretty fun, at least in testing conditions, but what if I also gave it to a regular enemy? I'm thinking giving it an extended melee range and a projectile attack, which would cause it teleport towards player

Pros:
>Will harass player in odd places
Cons:
>Like a lost soul on steroids

>>9964602
I mean it'll basically be a wraith from doom 3. Except probably more threatening depending

>>9964605
It's been a while since I played Doom 3, so I don't remember what wraith was like.

>>9964602
that feels like way too many projectiles for an enemy that can appear in front of your face randomly

>>9964540
Too based
>>9964531
>For me it's another positive.
Yeah I’m just explaining why it’s almost as unpopular as Redneck Rampage, and why no one wants to make new shit for it. Blood has all sorts of good stuff and Dukebros get an embarrassment of riches/autism with AMC Squad. Wang just gets shitty nushooters.

>>9964619
Yeah, maybe. He's supposed to be the final boss, but I gave him this set a lot time ago before I thought about teleportation.
I'll be refining the whole set soon, maybe I'll take some of that away.

>>9964602
You actually listed two pro's and no cons.
Also, I like your idea for giving the teleport to a common enemy. Even before I finished reading your post, I had thought of the black skeletons from Kegan's WEBMs teleporting up and punching the player in the face.

>>9964608
a melee teleporting enemy that took forever to teleport 2 feet

alright, think I have the vast majority of textures DONE. Pending any big changes just have to start putting in objectives/pointers to completing the level (breadcrumbs etc), props, then start thinking about enemy and pickup placement.

>>9963445
look at around 6:00. all the cybers are aggrod to the hellknights and shit.

>>9964602
I once thought a way to make a teleporting enemy work would be that there's actual 2 of the enemy but one version is invisible and collides with stuff like the world and other entities, while also moving much faster.
So when the "teleportation" happens, the main enemy just replaces the invisible actor and vice versa to give the illusion of quick teleportation.
>In terms of programming behind the scenes, X has a secret "extra actor" near him, that calculates its surroundings and randomly picks a spot for quick teleportation (As an attempt to make him teleport without getting him stuck in the wrong places and make it so he's not just secretly moving to a place faster and make his teleportation seem more instant)
At least to avoid situations of someone getting stuck or ending up in the wrong place.

>>9964601
What happened to her?

>>9964675
That's pretty much my take on teleportation here, but with one thing, it becomes invisible and starts moving very fast, as part of its attack sequence it becomes visible again.

>>9964553
>>9964574
>>9964642
OK so I watched https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH1AB1pOI28 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA4uV7VKqY0 and I understand how he's getting the Cybers stuck.
However, if those other two Cybers' targeting threshold reaches 0 while he's punching the first Cyber, is there a chance they will then target Doomguy, who has not damaged them yet, or will they always switch to targeting another enemy who has already damaged them? Decino doesn't completely explain this, although his words suggest the latter may be the case when he says "after taking 100 steps it can retaliate against other damage inflictors."
In other words, is the dude in >>9963445 risking surprise rocket buttsecks when those other two Cybers' targeting thresholds reach 0, or is he in complete control with no risk of getting shot by them because some of the Hell Knights and Barons have already damaged those two Cybers?

>>9962779
>>9961041
Detail is weird in this map but the sky rules, there's some nice choice in level progression, and real fun fucking fights. Before this I had only tried the Quoth stuff through what was in Violent Rumble.

>>9962604
>>9962634
thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya1ySdk9Oao

>>9964542
Put in a blurb about Brutal Doom under "HISTORICALLY NOTABLE SHIT" that explains what it is and why it's controversial, considering it's one of the best-known Doom mods for better or worse.

>>9964689
latter.
once the threshold reaches 0, they will retaliate at attackers. but if theres no one currently attacking, they'll keep chasing their current target (be it monster or player)

>>9964709
I heard Mark might be a
<===== PSYCHOPATH???
Is that true?

How do I actually pet The Cube? And what does Convert Flux do? Are the rifts supposed to make noise? I can't really hear anything.

Does The Cube remember who he was?

>>9964737
Yes

Just finished Ashes 1.15, thanks to anon who provided the link. I really enjoyed most of the game, level design is outstanding and even the story is competent. Great gunplay, and what I was impressed with the most is the scale of the game and how perfectly it blends the abstract nature of the engine (or rather its limitations) to produce a great, semi-open world experience. It falters a bit towards the very end and ends on an anticlimactic note, but when you first get into the city and look for Michonne Station... great, great great. Among the best FPS games I ever played, actually. I asked for 1.15 because standalone worked like shit on my laptop for some reason, I will definitely try more Ashes in the future. There's some weird damage scaling, like those hulking fire-brutes go down with several noscope shots, and I never bothered with ethereal green-ooze shooting beings; I kinda wish the game world was more...dry, more Mad Max-y, but I also got strong Manhunt vibes because it set up going from one decrepit urban space to another so well, populated by bloodthirsty gangs. I played on hard and had some ammo problems on the first two levels, and an abundance of stuff later on even without getting every secret. Worst part of the game is when you enter that building that has fallen sideways right before you go through to the tower, because I did not figure out one jump. In all, jumping is a bit too accentuated.

>>9964496
this
It's an amazing look that no one knows the value of, unless you're platinum and you made Astral Chain with some extremely hot cop girls.

>>9964727
Got it. Thanks. I understand what's going on in the video now. Maybe some time in the future I will use this newfound knowledge to anally fist some Cyberdemons.

>>9964747
Oh and I forgot - how in the hell did Vostyok manage to evoke so much boomer humor without making the game feel like an homage? It feels completely like a late 90s game, not only in aesthetics, but in style and the references and the... everything. Like a time capsule. That Doom minigun demon jumpscare was VtMB-like.

>>9964492
nailed it

with some doom radys

>>9964058
Even the devs know, which is why the next game is in Unity.
That said, its biggest shortfalls were just being boring. Everything was competent, but the weapon selection was limited, and the enemy roster was tiny.

>>9964082
>You go to the moon in DNF too
ok so you count the actually-competent DNF DLC but you don't for the expansion packs for Duke 3D?

DNF's DLC shows that it COULD have been a really competent, extravagant game that went places Duke 3D never could have.. if you cut Broussard out of the picture and let the team work.

>>9964737
It's kinda funny in a sad way how Chinese whispers chunks of the community still gets over him.

>>9964747
>Just finished Ashes 1.15, thanks to anon who provided the link
NP, glad you liked it, it's pretty fun in a Build-y sort of a way.
>>9964753
>It feels completely like a late 90s game, not only in aesthetics, but in style and the references
It even references stuff like 2000AD, which I can't help but feel will have gone over the heads of most of the people who played it.
>That Doom minigun demon jumpscare was VtMB-like.
The cardboard cutout Mancubus in the store? I thought that was a pretty fucking clever one.

>>9964040
NTA, but
>Define what "soul" is to you.
Something in earnest that tries to create, something that you interact with screams the individual itself or something that is pure in its creation. Being that no outside force seemed to touch it, or even pay a temporary thought in its production.
Though what most people refer as soul is just the hard-to-describe feelings of nostalgia of a simpler time when their media seemed to be without thought of the outside world, or even well-known design. Thus why you may say something with terrible ui has soul, because it was formed by itself - flaws and all.
>>9963087
>>9963608
Sorry to put you through this code-anon.

>>9964703
Thank you for playing and for the evaluation. There are some good quoth maps around if you want to play more. Mapjam 9 is a nice collection and authors like necros, hrimfaxi, jpl and others did some sweet things between 2005-2013.
There is also the infamous Warpspasm, if you can stand spawn (tarbaby) overdose.

>>9964703
also damn you're a natural at dodging gug projectiles.

>>9964585
Rentry OP link kind of fills this purpose, I think? Could've been a little more comprehensive and sleek, like descriptor tagged wadbooru concept that's been flying around here these past weeks (which probably won't ever happen without yet another selfless tech-geek philanthropist descending upon us, as I'm too into Doom only ironically and because my boyfriend visits here, feel no contempt).

In any case, any additional source of info is always beneficial, and exclusive mention of /vr/'s mapping gig existence is outside the question. But I also think that each of the local borne mods and mapping projects deserve equal focus and coverage respectfully, PNGs won't be flexible enough sizewise and always up-to-date with new things to come as years pass (given passion god bless). Foremost, YWTPSFD is a pass-up image file for all the newbies to get into the course of things with tastefully curated first taster, succinct and to the point.

>>9964839
>something that when* you
>>9964761
Neat doodle, anon.

>>9964497
You say that but Lo Wang is the only Build Engine protag still getting new games.

>>9964839
>Something in earnest that tries to create
Very fitting tied with a screen of one of Term's mods, dude absolutely fits the bill of a developer who just wants to make something that is as awesome and as much fun as possible.

>>9964821
Yeah I saw the Dredd reference too. Will continue with Afterglow although I'm getting a FPS dip here and there (using the 1.10 pk3)

>>9964040
>Define what "soul" is to you.
Vision, hard work and passion, it's definitely easier to see in smaller projects, like I agree Nightmare Reaper is ugly but you can tell the dev tried and I can respect that.

which wad has the best (original) soundtrack in your humble opinion?
https://youtu.be/IHt0sd1tEvo

>>9963940
because you touch yourself at night, also you're wrong

>>9964890
Buckethead's Sigil OST is pretty great.

>>9964869
Aye, it's why I used it. I respect Term's drive, it's also what I believe too.
I want to insert my cringe OC in demonsteele, and even further I want to make sure I make a short comic of all demonsteele characters doing stuff.
I want to make intermission screens where you see Hae-Lin making Sweet Sundae Ramen, and Sun Shihong playing bing bing wahoo krazy pizza uncle man. Why? Because it's fun, because I want to create.

>>9964901
>I want to make intermission screens where you see Hae-Lin making Sweet Sundae Ramen

>>9964890
Ancient Aliens has a superb OST. About as good as action game music can get IMO.

>>9964912
Nice work! Do you think you could draw Daina from LTG wearing a diaper? My friends and I get a good laugh imagining her being forced to wear a diaper in the mod and being laughed at by the demons while being called 'Diaper Daina'!

>>9964915
>>9964912
Neat

>>9964923

>>9964813
His only crime imo was getting on BoA devs ass for content reasons. Not crediting people is a little shitty, but I think that was only seen as particularly bad due to how big brutal doom got.

>>9964901
>I respect Term's drive, it's also what I believe too.
In a way I respect him even more for that than his mods and stuff, dude really does seem to have a talent for finding the fun or cool part in everything.

>>9964923

>>9964923
>My friends and I
Nice appeal to numbers attempt but you have no friends.

>>9964932
He was a bit of a dick but then again so are a lot of mod devs, he was just a lot more visible.
>but I think that was only seen as particularly bad due to how big brutal doom got.
It sure was an experience seeing people complain about stuff he released being unneeded and then days later praising somebody else for releasing something similar.

One of the things that made me distance myself from a lot of the cliqueish parts of the community was seeing <cancelled developer> and friends complaining that Mark released the ACS-based Bolognese, saying it was unnecessary because similar mods already existed and then days later tossing themselves off because Nashgore was re-released as a Zscript mod.

>>9964923

>>9964703
My pride's on the line, that was hard mode wasn't it? Not nightmare?

>>9964703
Also the sky is one of Quoth's packaged skies. Really nice. You should definitely try other Quoth maps/episodes.

>>9964923

>nailgun becomes completely useless the minute you get a super nailgun, offers no unique advantage
what were they thinking?

>>9964923

>>9965000
nailgun is still useful if you wanna save ammo combined with quad damage.

>>9965008
only if you're fighting an enemy that'll die from 1-2 quad nails, and even then you might as well just use regular shotty and save the more valuable ammo

>>9962604
Is there a mod for DOOM that adds DOOM II enemies to all episodes?

>>9965019
PSX DOOM

>>9964912
>bait reply got more replies than the drawing
Sad!

>>9965019
There's actually a mod made two years ago or so by an anon from these threads. I have to jet right now but I'll look for it when I get back.

>9941330

>>9965027
*>>9941330

>>9965000
>weapon looks cooler and shoots 2 spikes at a time
>isn't the Super Nailgun
I have no clue.

>>9965019
Use Doom 2, and just remake the Doom 1 maps and put in the new monsters and weapon where appropriate, ez.

>>9964841
It's a great time and I'll probably mess with it some more later, choosing the order of trouble I can get in is a lot of fun.
>also damn you're a natural at dodging gug projectiles.
That was a painful but fun process...
>>9964912
>>9964915
Holy shit anon, nice, damn.
>>9964991
>My pride's on the line, that was hard mode wasn't it? Not nightmare?
Oh boy, check the bottom at the end.
Also thank you both for the recommendations.
>>9965000
>what were they thinking?
I dunno, in episode resets? Most of the custom maps I've played have been hub-based shotgun starts that make use of the weapon progression.

>>9965027
>A-shooby-dooby-dobba-dobba-da it's a secret

>>9964923

is there something wrong with me if I can't stand the vanilla campaigns of Quake and Blood but absolutely adore Arcane Dimensions and Blood Wish?

>>9965050
*Death Wish woops

>>9965050
Ill agree with you that Quake is simply "alright" but Blood's campaign is a fucking masterpiece.

Quakes 2 expansions are pretty good, especially the second one

>>9965032
still a shittier weapon. also it only shoots one spike at a time, the barrels alternate.

>>9964923

>>9965023
that pisses me off and goes to show that there is still more to be done for the sake of drawing

>>9965039
Oh but you had attempts where you died as well so my pride is intact. Good shit.
>>9965024
>>9965019
It's on one of my older harddrives anon hang on.

Is oblige good or is it a meme? Need something to play with demonsteele

>>9965149
Oblige maps are decent enough, Obsidian maps are on the whole better though.

>>9965119
>Oh but you had attempts where you died as well so my pride is intact. Good shit.
Yeup, we're only human and this stuff does not fuck around.
I'm diving into Warpspasm.

>>9964923

>>9965172
your shotty is showing.

>>9965154
What's the difference between Oblige, Obaddon and Obsidian?

>>9965190
Obaddon is an addon for Oblige that added more stuff, Obsidian is basically the continuation of Obaddon as it's own fork of Oblige since Oblige had it's development axed.

back when i was using the ipad demo

>>9965019
BOOM here it is.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ylaacneyibnqiay/D2Randumb.wad/file
Works with all Doom 1 based maps, megawads, etc. Great fun with BASED Ganymede.

>>9965050
Nah I'm the same way. I greatly detest the fact that most big Quake projects these days are made with vanilla monster mods. Quoth should be the standard at minimum.

>>9965050
What's got you down in vanilla blood? Other than taking a nosedive in difficulty after episode 1 from a mix of enemy placement and knowing the mechanics I think it's one of the best retail FPS campaigns period

>>9965252
>Other than taking a nosedive in difficulty after episode 1 from a mix of enemy placement and knowing the mechanics
:|

>>9965260
>>nosedive in difficulty
There's fixes for that these days

>>9965310
No I mean
>What's wrong with Blood other than these things that are wrong with Blood?

>>9962608
Dunno if it's been posted yet (quick ctrl+f didn't catch anything), but new ACE injection demo dropped.
It's rather cool.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/130715-ace-engine-dos-doom-ii-vanilla/?page=9&tab=comments#comment-2655386

I've been shambling through E1 of Jamal Jones, this is pretty rough at times and a big step down from Ray Mohawk 2. Map15 actually put me to sleep the first time I played it. The first wad since Sunder to do so

>>9965314
Yeah that's silly, but honestly if a "drop in difficulty" is making it so someone can't get into the vanilla campaign these days it won't be an issue.
I think a bigger problem with the vanilla difficulty than what >>9965252 pointed out is it being literally broken and swapping values when loading a saved game that's not on Lightly Broiled or Well Done.

Please don't make Quake 3 RTX a thing, Bethesda!

>>9965424
As long as they release the source code (which I think they would have to thanks to Carmack) I wouldn't mind. RTX or not, a suped-up Quake 3 engine would be great to make shit with.

>>9965447
im sure IDTech3 is also opensource. theres ioquake3 that can be used as a framework to make games.

>>9964279
>>9964282
Hm, wouldn't have thought to play on Nightmare. Is it the same as Doom Nightmare where enemies respawn? Might actually have trouble pulling that off in some of the early Chex 2 levels since they're a bit stingier with ammo.

>>9965461
>Is it the same as Doom Nightmare where enemies respawn?
Yes, but the enemies are pretty harmless so it's not that bad.

>>9965424
As long as it includes a standard renderer like Quake II RTX does I don't mind it. At-least it'll boost the multplayer numbers for a little while.

>>9964737
No, he's just arrogant and autistic.

>>9964761
Haven't seen C.Kid guy in a while.

>>9964912
Haven't seen her in a good while either.

>>9964923
Well, that took different turn, one which I also haven't seen in a while.

>>9964923

Was having a great time with Ashes Afterglow until now that i hit the biodome. Map is absolutely amazing, but these plant fucks are kicking my fucking ass.

>>9964267
I played all three episodes just yesterday. I really liked some of the levels, like E2M2. My biggest issue is the limited ammo, and I think it was too easy (might replay on the hardest difficulty since I played on normal.) The enemies, though I like their designs, needed more variety too; needed more ranged attackers.
coincidentally having a bowl of Chex right now too.

>>9964267
>>9965492
If you want a good laugh, High Noon Drifter has stuff for Chex 3 built into it.

>>9965492
I think Chex cereal is mediocre but Chex Mix slaps, especially pic-related.

Chex Quest isn't a perfect game but I respect the Hell out of it for being by-far the best free prize to ever come in a cereal box, and for being many kids' first introduction to Doom, especially in households with strict parents.

Mad props to the lead dev for going back and making a third entry in 2008 too, you can tell it was produced by a seasoned mapper which makes me wonder if he's contributed to any other wads under a different alias or something.

>>9965482
use the napalm launcher

>>9965502
kek rip booger people

>>9965516
I am, it's just that i'm having a hard time dodging the stupidly fast projectiles, and they do a ton of damage.
Skill issue, i suppose.

Why does Deus Ex get praised so heavily as the perfect game? Even on a first playthrough you could notice shortcomings and frustrating broken shit. I don't get why people are so accepting of broken shit on old pc games.
Honestly I think Deus Ex is outpaced by its non retro games in the series

>>9965530
>frustrating broken shit
how i spot an opinion that doesn't matter
git gud fagget lolololy

>>9965538
you don't think for yourself

>>9964923

>>9964292
on it, boss

>>9964923

>>9964923

>>9964739
>How do I actually pet The Cube?
Equip fists and spam grabbing. The animation makes it look like you're patting it on the head. Works for the Eradicator turret and (some) merchants.
>And what does Convert Flux do?
Absorbs rifts for cube ammo. It's a double-edged sword if you're using voidstones.
>Are the rifts supposed to make noise?
No.
>spoiler
Yes, fully.

>>9963289
>>9963292
>>9963737
Did nobody spot that this is the myhouse.wad layout, or am I just being memed on?

very nice episode, its brick game was exquisite.

>>9965594
haha wouldn't it be great if everybody would state the title of the things they posted instead of being absolute fuckwits.

>>9965474
i don't draw him as much as i used to

>>9965601
it's dwell 2.2 sheesh

>>9964859
I genuinely have no clue why they haven't made a new Blood.

>>9965616
sorry man i just made you the object of years of rage of people just posting screenshots with no context.

>>9965589
>myhouse.wad
like the creepypasta?

>>9965601
it's clearly Squidward

>>9962604
>"Records of a longest pilgrimage, in search of ephemeral made eternal"
What does this line allude to?

>>9965650
And it's on rentry, if that matters

>>9964923

>>9964923
le tailor

>>9964923
>>9965692
Ngl I hate LTG and fire emblem. Fuck it.

mai shiranui

>>9965583
Ahh, okay.
>Absorbs rifts for cube ammo. It's a double-edged sword if you're using voidstones.
Nah, the C mode that uses the ammo. Though I see now it give him experience. I can't tell if it does anything else.

>Yes, fully.
Do him and the knife ever talk?

>>9964763
>Even the devs know, which is why the next game is in Unity.
What do you mean? Voidpoint didn't announce a new game, they're working on Aftershock now.

>>9965741
Oh, that. That converts flux to mana. Hardly useful if you're at max mana (only increases regen at that point), but if you're in a hurry to cast Voidstorm/Invuln it can help cut down the wait time.

No, cube isn't really aware of the knife or cares, and vice versa. It is the only neutral artifact that doesn't give a shit if you're good or evil or are carrying some giga evil artifacts.