/vr/ - Retro Games

Less characters, more charcterisation. You know, the best part of CT.

>>9937903
>more charcterisation. You know, the best part of CT.
No. Not really, Cross does that better anyway

New world. No Chrono Trigger relation aside from the things that make it all so fun.

Y'know, what Final Fantasy did.
Btw the Time Egg should've never had the nickname 'Chrono Trigger.' That was stupid. I don't like it. Throw that bit away.

>>9937863
Not retro

who says it needs a sequel

>>9937981
End your life. I'm tired of seeing this.

>>9938028
Pointless Triggered vs Crossed bait threads? Yeah anybody actually trying to use the board for anything besides shitposting is pretty tired of seeing that.

>>9938041
No, the whole 'not retro' thing.
Sorry, was that not a witty answer?
Well that's how bored I am by your shit.
Do the thing I already said.

>>9937863
I just think Starky is cute and his giant robo is cool.

Wow, OP is SALTY.

How salty does one have to be to refuse to accept that a game that basically makes everything you did in the previous game pointless and kills the main characters from the previous one while being a mess of useless extra new characters does not sit well with many?

And Chrono Cross also made the story a spaghetti of nonsense with all the new gibberish they retconned into it that you mentioned. Not to mention that the ENTIRE game does all that just to basically be one giant side-quest that explains what happened to Schala , and the only reason many people cared about that in CT was because of a mis-translated line that implied there was one more side-quest to do involving Schala.

Never mind the stupid way you defeat the final boss of CC. Even Earthbound did that nonsense better.

>>9938043
Any good tutorials on that? You sound like you've courted the notion extensively yourself

>>9937863
>My question is how YOU would've made Chrono Trigger 2 a better sequel than Chrono Cross?
Go the Final Fantasy route and completely reinvent the sequel making it have nothing to do with the previous game. Keep the time traveling concept and that could have been the series identity and we could have got plenty of cool sequels. The idea would be how do they use the time concept differently with each different game and the different characters.

>>9937863
>Please share with us your perfect plot scenarios, come on don't be shy.
Janus impregnates Schala.

The End. :)

>>9937863
I wouldn't have tried to make a CT2 since it would be a fuck up to the original no matter what, just like how you dont make a back to the future part 4.

A "Chrono 2" could work like Cross, in the sense of exploring alternative timelines/dimensions, but should have been completely unrelated to the world of CT, merely a new project exploring a different aspect of time the original didn't cover too much of.
Or, you can accept that CT2 does already truly exist with Blue Dragon despite flopping, since that project was made with the same collaborative effort as CT.

Do it like final fantasy. Keep some thematic elements but otherwise its a whole new world and cast.

>>9937863
LMAO Crosschizo is fucking mad lol

>>9937863
I would just port Chrono Trigger with updated graphics like in your pic. The plot and characters wont ever be anything more than rudimentary and that's fine. Add much more and it will start to feel bloated and boring. I was primarily there for the idea and my brain filled in the rest with the the help of an excellent ost and colorful artwork.
I never played Cross but I remember the use of prebaked cg characters in ads which made the game repulsive to me. Never could accept pretendered cg characters in advertising post DKC. It was just as hideous to me then as it is now.

Oh don't worry, they made something that is much closer to what is basically a Chrono Trigger 2... as a mobile gacha game[\spoiler]

>>9937863
Magus would be the protagonist. He set off to look for Schala at the end of Chrono Trigger, that's the most clear sequel bait imaginable and only a massive retard like Kato would choose to discard it in favour of four dozen forgettable nobodies.

Anyway, Magus as the protagonist, you can keep the Dream Devourer thing and his amnesia to justify him starting at L1 and with an initial goal or regaining his memories and finding what is that important thing that he has lost. Then he goes through a journeyin time to build a second Chrono Trigger and go save Schala. Some new periods, some old ones, definitely a second visit to the middle ages where he's confronted with the results of his actions, some new characters, some old ones (Lucca would be great again), etc.

>>9938056
>Wow, OP is SALTY.
Extremely salty, none of his bait threads are getting the kind of responses that he wants and he'll never accept that Cross, a game that was almost certainly important to his childhood and probably his first jrpg, was actually complete fucking dogshit.

>Rogue autist shits up a board over a petty internet fight
Mods, do your fucking job.

>>9939628
They've already cleaned up some threads, I've seen a few of them 404 myself recently. This retard's cope and seethe has no limit, he just keeps making new ones.

>>9939663
I started to suspect something was up after that god-awful sperg chamber CC thread, but didn't think it'd get this out of hand. /vr/'s had threads criticizing CC before and even on /vrpg/. Where was this autist then?

>>9939689
Maybe he's been slowly building resentment all this time until he finally snapped. Who can tell with someone this deranged?

>>9939720
It really is strange how autism on this scale lies dormant within people only for something to pop it. /v/ has a wealth of these types and it amazes me how normal some came off before they snapped.

>>9937863
-Magus disguised as Guile
-Luccia is Lucca
-Chrono is alive and hiding from Porre, he has changed his identity to Miguel, Marle is dead.
-Instead of 45 playable characters reduce them to 8 well developed party characters...

I propose Serge, Kid(Schala), Guile(Magus), Luccia(Lucca), Leena(Chrono&Marle daughter), Glenn(Frog descendant), Leah(Ayla descendant) and Norris.

The biggest change I would make is to remove the Time Devourer entirely. It serves no point to the plot and is only introduced at the very, very end as a "You beat the final boss. Now here's the true villain!" The Dragon God is and should be the true antagonist of Cross; it is built up throughout the story, has motive, has character development through Harle, and fits the overarching themes of Man vs. Nature.

Schala would still be present, of course. But not with all that daughter-clone nonsense. Radical Dreamers had it done right already; Kid is the one-and-only Schala, who used the Frozen Flame during her anguish at the Ocean Palace to reset her clock.
The event that awakes her memories at the end of Radical Dreamers, in Viper Manor, could now take place in Chronopolis, where Kid comes into contact with the Flame once again.
The game doesn't half to be about saving her evil pocket dimension self bent on eating the universe because 99% of the game already isn't.

Finally, I'd introduce Lynx as Wazuki way earlier than the final plot dump. Let Miguel tell Serge, at the Dead Sea, that his father became a monster. Then let us digest this fact before being told we have to kill him.

>>9937917
>New world. No Chrono Trigger relation aside from the things that make it all so fun.

this is really the only way. Even the best endings aren't the end. They're just the end of the story. So leaving loose ends like Magus, or the fact that the Robo future changes, or even the ending where mom chases the cat into a time gate, are the functions of good fairytale endings. Just because the story ends doesn't mean there isnt more left to be done. So leave it behind and move on.

You can echo the original in the ways that distinguished CT from other games in the first place.

>team techs (but Suikoden also started doing that)
>ATB (borrowed from other FFs)
>timetravel being the means of changing narrative settings for the misc story arcs
>a sudden and intense character demise
>a fucking inspired music composer
>a dreamteam of scenario writers
>a character designer who is an internationally renowned comic artist (Yuki is no fucking slouch as a CD, made some beloved stuff, but sure isnt a Toriyama)

>>9937863
Just one thing: Change the fucking Godawful normal battle music!

>>9937903
Do it, if you know exactly how to turn that principle into a game superior to Chrono Trigger

CT was made by the Dream Team of Squaresoft and Enix with Toriyama designs as a final sendoff to the SNES. Trigger 2 need to have Enix and Toriyama on board from the start. Cross' designs belonged to another game and that affected the tone and everything else. All in all, if Cross was called 'Random Dumb Shit' its reception would have been far better

>>9937863
Maybe they didn't include modern day cause it would be more boring of an adventure but I think it mightve been cool to have a story where you start in present time in a city and get dragged into some time travel fuckery involving Lucca and Crono.
As far as the actual plot I'll be damned if I'm going to plot it right this second, but maybe something to do with an individual trying to manipulate the timeline. Trying to walk the line of using Lavos and stopping Lavos without making things worse, only he makes things a lot worse and you have to stop him, or he gets power hungry.
Or you could have some character from the first game have a different evil version because of timeline fuckery.
I know it's not that exciting and would be a rehash of stuff from Trigger but they could make it interesting by fleshing out areas and timelines that didn't get explored. Especially the reptites. Maybe get into Lavos's origins?

But I agree with you btw, Cross's story is underrated, it's actually very interesting and creative.

Cross is amazing, just had the misfortune of following Teiffer, which is one of the best games of all time.

The party has to go back and fight itself because they fucked up time so bad jumping around so much.

>>9937863
I think cutting out out most of the characters and spending those resources fleshing out your recruits would be enough for most people to get behind the game.

To be honest, I don't really care about the convoluted plot that much. Like it's totally fair to criticize it for falling into pretentious navel-gazing typical of the PS1 era, but it's not like most JRPG's have good plots anyway?
At least Cross is interesting and has some truly excellent moments which is more than I can say for many other games.

In fact the way I'd describe Cross is that it's uneven. Its high points IMO, are higher than anything Trigger achieves, but it's definitely more "flawed". Chrono Trigger is much more consistent but not quite as interesting in my opinion. It never really made me think or reflect, whereas Cross did.

Also, this is a hot take, but I feel like the dragons and other elements somehow are done in a way that feels out of place considering the setting of the first game. I'd rather it be on another planet if they were gonna do all that.

>>9938056
>How salty does one have to be to refuse to accept that a game that basically makes everything you did in the previous game pointless and kills the main characters from the previous one while being a mess of useless extra new characters does not sit well with many?
Why do so many games do that?

>>9941068
Name five

>>9938041
>Triggered vs Crossed

>>9937863
>Masato Kato genius
Oh, I get it. This is an ironic thread.

>>9937909
ok so youre a Troll

>>9937863
WE WERE ROBBED

>>9937863
>Masato Kato
>genius
PFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHA
This is why nobody is going to buy your shitty pointless ports. Dumb Cross kek

>>9937981
Wrong but Cross deserves to be not retro

>>9937903
Also
>dead 10/10 waifugon

Kato=Tabata

>>9941851
Funny enough, his first outting was also Captain Tsubasa

>>9937863
There's lots of ways to improve CC, but to make it a better sequel? It's not called Chrono Trigger 2, for a reason.

>>9937917
If we saw Chrono Cross as a "what-if" kind of thing, like a standalone story that ties in very loosely to the Trigger universe, we'd have a wonderful game with some flaws (too many characters, still confusing as hell storyline).

To see Chrono Cross as a "proper/direct sequel", then the most important thing it needs to do is to be more direct in its storytelling its relation to the previous game. Nothing in the game's presentation showed that it was intended as such.

Therefore designer probably wanted to create a story loosely based off the original Chrono Trigger. Fans wanted a direct sequel. It was bad purely because of the mismanagement of expectations. People seeing the game for what it isn't rather than what it is.

>>9942495
>Nothing in the game's presentation showed that it was intended as such.
This is cope, pure a and simple. Masato Kato, that massive retard, always intended Cross to be a direct sequel. He just fucked up badly with the story and then began back-pedalling hard when the reception turned out so negative. Before Cross's release, everything pointed to it being a real, proper sequel.

>>9937917
>Btw the Time Egg should've never had the nickname 'Chrono Trigger.'
That was retconned with Chrono Cross. The Time Egg is the Time Egg now. Serge is and has always been the Chrono Trigger.

>>9937863
>how YOU would've made Chrono Trigger 2
I wouldn't Chrono Trigger doesn't need a sequel and it would never live up to the original.

>>9937863
>My question is how YOU would've made Chrono Trigger 2 a better sequel
I wouldn't. Chrono Trigger does not leave room for a sequel, you see the future and everything is fine. You solved every problem. Dalton does not have the ability to time travel by his golem gates, that's nonsensical. Chrono Cross literally should not have been made, at all.

>>9942846
dalton becoming an actual threat is such a radical misunderstanding of his characterization in the first game

kato is 100% on the autism spectrum

>>9937917
>>9942507
Gaspar said it himself: "(The Chrono Trigger) is pure potential. By unleashing a specific course of events, it can have a powerful effect on time."

The Time Egg is referred to as a Chrono Trigger because its properties allows one to travel through time when used in the precise manner.

Serge is referred to as a Chrono Trigger because that's Project Kid's codename for the Arbiter of the Frozen Flame. The only person who had complete and total access to the Flame once it was wretched from FATE. As an Arbiter, Serge would have dominion over time and space by tapping into the Flame.

>>9942846
>You solved every problem.

https://youtu.be/KoqPy1hk3BI?t=53

>>9937863
The same thing, but with different time periods e.g. pirates, classical antiquity, Bronze Age, etc.

>>9937863
The only criticism I have is the focus on recruiting a huge set of characters which made it basically impossible to write a well developed party the player could actually feel emotionally attached to.
I love the game for its melancholic feel (and Yasunori Mitsuda's OST works its magic brilliantly in that regard), I also wouldn't change anything about the story. It's not Masato Kato's best work, but it's actually what I look for in a 32 bit era JRPG.
But the problem is: as I don't feel attached to the characters the journey feels impersonal, somehow detached. If the game had a classical party with solid characterization, more character interaction and character development it would be infinitely better. That being said, I still love Chrono Cross for what it is and I would certainly not change the plot.

>>9942931
>Serge is referred to as THE Chrono Trigger (not "a" as you retarded apologist falsely claimed)
Because Kato couldn't even keep that much straight.

>>9942959
literally nobody cares about this slut. She can get piped by Lavos endlessly in the Darkness Beyond Time, i couldn't care less. She's the reason why Zeal was destroyed, why the Black Omen was raised, and why every single bad event happens in CT.

>>9943251
well that's certainly a take

Should I bother playing Chrono Cross?

all of the late 90s square directors that got cocky and wanted to desperately break out are all hacks

>>9943843
If you want to waste your time playing garbage, then yes.

>>9943843
Chrono Cross? MORE LIKE CHRONO CROSS THAT GAME OUT OF EXISTENCE

>>9937863
It would involve Magus and new recruits. If they wanted travel between timelines, fine but Magus is needed. They can still have Kid and Serge but they have Serge bone Kid.

>>9943843
if you want more of the saturday morning kids cartoon tier plot of CT then NO.

if you want something deeper then YES.

i saw a video explaining cross's story yesterday and the vast majority of it is retarded

why does schala make a clone of herself. and HOW. also all the bullshit regarding "the entity" is literally a copout for some ACTUAL worldbuilding and not just cramming shit onto an already established and complete universe. like the archipelago that doesn't exist in the first game but is extremely crucial to the events of the second

>>9944605
>i saw a video explaining cross's story yesterday and the vast majority of it is retarded
Yep. Crossfags will never accept this simple fact
>why does schala make a clone of herself
Because, as she was going inside, she saw a random 6-year old child who was drowning and she, the 19-year old woman, fell in love with him and made a clone (who looks, acts or thinks nothing like her, wtf even is a clone?) to steal him from his childhood friend gf
>HOW
Random bullshit powers from beyond space and time, don't think too much
>also all the bullshit regarding "the entity"
The entity was mentioned in the first game, as the one responsible for opening the gates, and it spawned a lot of speculation. The entity itself isn't the problem, Cross's bullshit is the problem
>like the archipelago that doesn't exist in the first game but is extremely crucial to the events of the second
As one example among many, yeah. Not even the Frozen Flame exists in the first game and it's literally a piece of Lavos that is extremely crucial to the events of the second

>>9943843
no, this game sucks, don't let the Crossdressers fool you

>>9944631
I don't hate Chrono Trigger, but I do find it very plain and dull and I don't understand why people love it the way they do, perhaps nostalgia or baby's first RPG syndrome. I've tried many times to get through it and I always walk away bored. I despise voiceless protagonists, and the supporting cast was a bunch of cartoon one-note tropes, so there was nobody to latch onto and root for. I think people create a wildly more elaborate version of their events in their heads, and then conflate that vision with what the games actually accomplished.

>>9942507
Chrono cross was a mistake

>>9944952
Yeah, you don’t understand what makes it great because you probably play trash

>>9943843
I very much enjoyed the game, but it does feel a little odd to call it a sequel.

Most people think of sequels as continuations of the storyline. This was more like a... spin-off?

>>9944952
To me the only flaw with Chrono Trigger and this one's more of a personal gripe, but you spend the majority of the game in the least developed timelines (Prehistoric and Future).

It kind of felt like an excuse to get away with not fleshing out the worlds with towns and NPCs as much as was typical for that era of JRPG.

Other than that I love it. Top 10 game ever. I think Chrono Cross was superior, though.

>>9937863
You don't make a sequel to CT because you can't. It's a completely self contained story and there really isn't much room for a completely new side story or prequel.

>>9937863
zoomers have no understanding of pixel graphics for computer games, technical or artistic

>>9937863
>How would you make a better sequel?
I wouldn’t. Not everything needs a sequel. Sometimes “The End” should actually be the end.

>>9938056
>mis-translated line implying a “Find Schala” subquest
This shit drove me nuts. Do you know what that line said in the original Japanese?

>>9944631
>as the one responsible for opening the gates
that makes sense, the spirit of the planet scheming to help chrono and gang remove the space parasite makes sense. like with ff7 and the planet/the lifestream

it's the shit in cross that's weird. oh serge died? the day of lavos happens again, the entity wills it. el nido gets pulled into the past for some reason so the entity pulls another dimension into itself. except the timeline that got pulled was from the same dimension so why is it pulling from another dimension? it just seems like a copout to avoid explaining stuff

>>9944631
>Not even the Frozen Flame exists in the first game
i can buy the frozen flame retcon as the reason queen zeal is crazy/the thing that powers the mammon machine. that makes sense. but serge being its "arbiter" because robo controls it or whatever and guardia ending up with it is dumb. also why does lavos get pulled into the "dimension beyond time" or whatever when he was 100% killed in the original

cross just sours trigger's happy ending and i suspect kato's the type of melodramatic fuck to need bitterness inserted into everything to make it more "realistic" or whatever the fuck. didn't he wanna add more grim shit into the first game but was stopped by horii and sakaguchi?

...also when did schala get so strong i'm pretty sure she gets slapped around by her mom in the first game

in all i don't think there's any reason for cross to exist. a "magus looks for schala" game has no reason to bungle the story as much as cross does, and that game doesn't even have magus in it. for some fucking absurd reason

>>9944952
trigger is a very simple and effective hero's journey story, that's why it works and why people love it
the characters are also endearing despite being one-note, they're properly executed archetypes and everyone finds their favorite trio to play the game with for that reason

>>9945251
>you spend the majority of the game in the least developed timelines (Prehistoric and Future).

No you don't. Those parts just drag the most.

>>9943843
Every DMC fan played DMC2, you can play Cross.

>>9944590
>deeper
>Cross
Lol

>>9945301
>that makes sense, the spirit of the planet scheming to help chrono and gang remove the space parasite makes sense. like with ff7 and the planet/the lifestream
I actually think that the one who opened the gates is future Schala, not the spirit of the planet. Robo's speculation in the forest contains some problems and contradictions with the events of the game, and there's no real evidence that the planet is alive. FF7 was very, very explicit about the life stream, it's not the same situation.

My tinfoil hat theory is that this was discussed in the writing room of Trigger as something that would lay the seeds for the sequel, and Kato took the idea and completely fumbled the execution with his own "genius" ideas.

>it just seems like a copout to avoid explaining stuff
Either that, or he really, genuinely thought that this was a great explanation that made sense.

>i can buy the frozen flame retcon as the reason queen zeal is crazy/the thing that powers the mammon machine. that makes sense
It could be made to make sense. Just as you said, explain that Melchior built the Mammon Machine after finding the Frozen Flame. Boom, done. It's a retcon, but not a terrible one. My main problem is that Kato didn't even bother to expend the minimum effort to tie his retcons over at the plot of trigger. The Frozen Flame has always been what corrupted the Kingdom of Zeal. The Mammon Machine? What's that? Shit, he could have said that Schala was the first Arbiter or something, and have her actually be mentioned in the plot earlier than literally five minutes before the ending, but he didn't even want to do that much. It's a problem that I have with a bunch of other small, meaningless retcons that were made for no apparent reason (The appearance of Schala's pendant is different now, Serge is the Chrono Trigger, the Masamune is the only thing can let you time travel and change the past, Lucca made the Time Egg, humans did not exist before Lavos, etc, etc).

>i suspect kato's the type of melodramatic fuck to need bitterness inserted into everything to make it more "realistic" or whatever the fuck. didn't he wanna add more grim shit into the first game but was stopped by horii and sakaguchi?
He absolutely is. He wanted to have it so Crono couldn't be saved in the way that we saved him. His genius idea was to have the party go back in time and grab a Crono from way before he sacrificed his life, have him help against Lavos, then send him back to his proper time, knowing that he's doomed and he's going back to his death. Luckily, he was laughed out of the room by Horii, the man who actually wrote Trigger's story. I suspect Kato was left extremely salty that his genius, melodramatic ideas weren't implemented and the game was wildly successful anyway. I suspect that Cross is his answer to that, an "I will show them, I will show them all!"

>...also when did schala get so strong i'm pretty sure she gets slapped around by her mom in the first game
Now that is something I have no problem with. Schala is described as stronger than her mother in the game, as the strongest magic user in Zeal, and we see her perform feats that no one else can (Permanently seal a gate, open gates herself to get the party away from the Ocean Palace). There's a reason she's the one who gets drained to power the machine instead of the Queen. She gets slapped around by her mom because she's a victim of abuse and neglect who can no longer conceive going against her abuser's wishes.

>a "magus looks for schala" game has no reason to bungle the story as much as cross does, and that game doesn't even have magus in it. for some fucking absurd reason
Agreed 100%. And the reason was that Kato thought that Magus would be too important in Cross's story if he was in and that steal the spotlight over the fourscore forgettable NPCs he preferred to have in his magnum opus. That kind of idiotic reasoning completely beggars belief.

>>9945301
>trigger is a very simple and effective hero's journey story, that's why it works and why people love it
>the characters are also endearing despite being one-note, they're properly executed archetypes and everyone finds their favorite trio to play the game with for that reason
Yes, exactly.

>>9946291
>I suspect Kato was left extremely salty that his genius, melodramatic ideas weren't implemented and the game was wildly successful anyway. I suspect that Cross is his answer to that, an "I will show them, I will show them all!"
That's exactly how Cross always felt to me. The adults left the room and the seething kid was free to destroy their input.

I wouldn't make a sequel to CT since it doesn't really need one.

I've yet to play Cross because of this, but I admit reading how it appears to be a convoluted clusterfuck doesn't exactly motivate me

But if I for some reason was the guy who had to make a sequel at gunpoint and I wasn't Kato?

I'd probably do a new cast of characters in a different location with their own agenda. It doesn't really matter what their ultimate goal is; What matters is getting an excuse for a time travel game where you visit varied time periods and meet distinct characters. Go into the wild west, high seas, the future, hell, literally pick any era you can think of to pluck settings.

While it should keep the focus on the new cast who explore different time periods and their adventures, this is a time travel plot after all; So why not use it? Let the player explore some of the same time periods from Trigger. Hell, make it like BTTF2 where the cast runs into the CT cast but never directly interacts with them so as to not fuck the original timeline - Reveal that the time machine fucking up in the beginning was actually someone in the CT2 cast who spilt coke on the controls, when Glenn turns into Frog we help him out and take him to his hideout, reveal that Dalton actually was looking for the CT2 cast when he finds the CT1 cast and golems them in Zeal - Small shit like that which doesn't fuck with the original narrative but shows them in different contexts and makes you go "Oh, so THATS what happened".

Absolutely keep Mitsuda as composer, no brainer.

>>9942959
Schala's disappearance is not a problem.

>Dalton travels to the future to kill Chrono and Lea, which kickstarts Chrono Cross
No, fuck you.

>>9946463
Not him, but I'll bite. Schala and Dalton were unnecessary loose ends in an otherwise tight story and we could've been spared Cross with only an extra sidequest or two.

Tits or no game at all.

>>9947178

>>9946291
Expert anti Kato propaganda poster. Notice how in every thread he words his posts the same way with stuff like
>"I will show them, I will show them all!"
A literal fake quote used to make Kato look bad. God, you are so fucking obsessed with this dude it's hilarious. Kato literally lives rent free in your head it's actually pitiful.

>>9947280
So,
A) you think it's only one guy who hates Kato
and
B) you think it's difficult to make Kato look bad
lmao

That anon should apologize for insulting your favourite hack, Kato's reputation is obviously important to you.

>>9937863
Save Schala
I don’t even want a second game
I just want to save her

>>9946340
>I've yet to play Cross because of this, but I admit reading how it appears to be a convoluted clusterfuck doesn't exactly motivate me

It's important to remember that especially around here, the people who shit on Chrono Cross for being a "convoluted clusterfuck" do so because they don't understand key segments of what happened in Chrono Trigger which is one the things Chrono Cross deals with.

I played Chrono Cross when it came out having not played Chrono Tigger fir boring reasons. Even as a stand-alone I thought it was one of Squares better rpgs of the day ( that kinda doesn't say a ton but whatever) and when the remaster came out decided to replay it, but finally gave Chrono Tigger a try. I was shocked how similar they were and how well they connected and aside from possibly the Phantasy Stars think it's one of best rpgs and sequels of all time.

Not saying you'd like it, it is a weird game in some ways and has a less traditional (I think better) battle system for example, but the one thing it certainly isn't is a convoluted clusterfuck.

>>9947378
You're the guy who thinks that Azala created Lavos, aren't you?

>>9937863
>how YOU would've
Mainly, Toriyama would have needed to stay on as lead artist. His style seems so integral to Chrono Trigger that if he went and drew the designs for another random new jrpg right afterwards, it would probably feel more like a sequel to CT than CC ever did.

>>9947387
It's not clear whether she created it ir summoned it, all that's clear is that it's attack on the planet is due to her. And yes, the ones who shit on Chrono Cross don't understand that which is why they don't understand the plot of the game and try to claim it's either a clusterfuck or not canon.

>>9947378
>the one thing it certainly isn't is a convoluted clusterfuck.
lmao

picrel only scratches the surface

>>9947534
I guess if you had never read any sci-fi or time travel centered novels this would seem confusing to you. I am sorry Chrono Trigger and Cross are too complicated for you, but even more sorry you don't seem to grasp how embarrassing that is.

>>9947584
Learn what "convoluted" means before acting smig. You've lost this one.

>>9947490
is this in the Japanese script?

>>9947619
>is this in the Japanese script?
Yeah. The script in his head.

>>9947632
thought so.

>>9947248
this art style is sick. whos the artist?

>>9947378
>>9947584
oh look the "azala summoned lavos" schizo is back

>>9947773
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/452874
I really love how he draws her.

Fair warning, plenty of NSFW there, including loli, futa, and other questionable fetishes.

>>9944952
>perhaps nostalgia or baby's first RPG syndrome.
this

Xenogears (disk 1) felt more like a sequel of chrono Trigger than chrono cross

OP here. sad no one could come up with a better plot for CT2 than Chrono Cross wonderful story.

I win

Bye

>>9947359
There's a Quest that's kind of like a retelling of Chrono Trigger with an OC protagonist who romances Schala and they both join the party. It's slow going, but it seems to ultimately be all about saving her. It's pretty cool.
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/qstarchive.html?tags=ChronoQM if you wanna check it out.

>>9948430
You lost, just like your parents did when they saw how you turned out

>>9948426
Because it originally was.

>>9948382
>https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/452874
cool thanks!

>>9937917
I would just set it in a different time and have the plot of Chrono trigger be a myth passed down.
I would keep the world map layout because that's more interesting to me than having a new map every time like ff does.
Sorta like Ultima.

>>9947595
They're the ones using that term, not me. I am simply explaining it shouldn't be to anyone with basic reading comprehension.

>>9947884
And look, the retard who says Chrono Cross isn't canon because it negates his own retarded head-canon is still here too. How does it feel to be so autistic that you don't understand even the most basic of human stories?

>>9947490
Its attack on the planet is because it attacks planets as part of its lifecycle. Azala being excited about the red star falling doesn't mean she had anything to do with it, and her having telekinesis doesn't mean she pulled Lavos out of space, especially since she would have already started to do that previously as Lavos is apparently getting closer due to the star being brighter. So either Lavos was already on its way or Azala summoned Lavos to kill herself and her species while the war with humans for the planet wasn't even conclusive yet? The reptites are cool though and I like dinosaurs.

>>9949969
>Its attack on the planet is because it attacks planets as part of its lifecycle.
In-game ciation please

>Azala being excited about the red star falling doesn't mean she had anything to do with it,

Lol

>her having telekinesis doesn't mean she pulled Lavos out of space, especially since she would have already started to do that previously as Lavos is apparently getting closer due to the star being brighter.

I never said anything about telekinesis, just that her methods are clear only the intention.


>So either Lavos was already on its way or Azala summoned Lavos to kill herself and her species while the war with humans for the planet wasn't even conclusive yet? The reptites are cool though and I like dinosaurs.

Poor assumptions based on poor reading comprehension. This is dull, sorry it was too hard of a game for you to understand but explaining it over and over to an illiterate brick wall is boring. You not getting it doesn't change the game.

>>9948426
Xenotrigger