/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9943264
>crystal
>emerald
>HG/SS
>B/W(2)
>platinum

u can skip the rest
honorable mention for TgC @ gbc
for soundtrack that absolutely SLAPS

for modern titles lets go was cute, arceus was actually fun. the newest game makes me physically ill with all the framedrops

>>9943264
Feeling like there's a board for your kind

>>9943264
You do realize there's an entire board for this right

>>9943264
Nothing beats red and blue, the remakes are fine if you prefer less 90s graphics.

People will harp on about G/S/C being the best but they're jank as hell and you won't be making the most of it without a guide, there are contrived game mechanics that make it annoying to play.

R/S/E are fine but not what you should start with, it's basically when the franchise lost it's soul, so if you're looking to see what the soul was, start with red/blue or the remakes and try them later. They're not difficult games or anything, literally designed for toddlers, so if you like it there's no reason you can't play more.

>>9943270
>recommends skip Yellow
>Yellow's Switch remake good
What the fuck, faggot

>>9943410
*skipping

>>9943264
The top games are widely considered to be HS/SS and B2/W2.
RGBY and GSC are enjoyable especially if the aesthetic is to your tastes. They have to be played with a different frame of mind though. RGBY is more about beating gyms and getting to the league, GSC is more about taking in the world rather than progressing through it if that makes sense.

RSE are the first 'modern' pokemon games in that they are a lot more in line with the vibe the franchise has had since. More typically child friendly, more toyetic but of the first 3 generations its the most polished experience.

>>9943326
>>9943356
please understand, the waifufaggotry is unbearable, we just want to talk about the games.

>>9943270
cool thanks! after red/blue I didn't play again until sun/moon. tcg I did play though. the cards look great and all the mechanics worked perfectly. let's go was a neat take on gen1. at first I was pretty luke warm on it. but then I bought that dumb little pokeball controller and the novelty of it made it pretty good.

>>9943369
>nothing beats red and blue
>but g/s/c are jank
brainlet

anyone prefer the switch remakes? they look pretty fucking weird.

>>9943473
No one with functioning eyes does

>>9943264
My biggest gripe with the games is not having all pokemons in a single version. I only know of a single hack for emerald that adds all pokemons to it, but made sure that all of them are generated legitimately: https://github.com/citrusbolt/pokeheliodor

>>9943270
Solid choices, but I would add FR/LG

>>9943473
DS IS NOT RETRO

>>9943502
lol ahh yaaa i agree. i figured i’d ask incase it had some cool new features, or story, or challenges, or whatever

>>9943264
Hi OP, I know you know /vp/ exists but you want to avoid it for whatever reason. The problem is that in this thread you will just get the same problems as /vp/. Just look at it already, it's just people stating their opinion as fact. If you don't want to one of these poor miserable souls or be another drone in the army of their shit opinion, there is only one solution: play them all from the start. Then you can make your own mind and realized that people lack any objectivity and just say the games they like are the best.

This hack is pretty cool:
https://github.com/jojobear13/shinpokered
The creator has a "shinpokecrystal" repository but no work has been done yet. I've looked through a couple of similar hacks to Crystal but I didn't like their changes.
>>9943473
Not even done by Game Freak, they were outsourced and made in Unity. Avoid at all costs.

>>9943264
GSC is pure SOUL. There's a mystical atmosphere in its temples of Bellsprout worshippers, ruins, obviously the true end being a battle in the mountains on the former champion and not gym leader/e4 and different easter eggs and pokemon that are not in the previous saga while keeping the sense that being the pokemon champion is an arduous journey, something that's not in the latter games-this is obvious at this point but even in R/S you get the sense it's going more for a comfy journey. It's fine if that's what they're going for, still, that's a distinguishing factor still kept in GSC.

>>9943538
Is HG/SS missing any of that?

Is the switch remake of diamond / pearl and good? Or stick to the originals?

>>9943914
First off, not retro.
Second, gen 4 didn't get tolerable until Plat. If you *need* to play DP, get the remake with mods.

>>9943264
Pokémon Trading Card Game is great. Surprised no one mentioned that yet. You guys have incredibly boring, basic opinions.

>>9943369
op please ignore this brainlet's shit take and understand gsc were the final form of pokémon game as envisioned by the original creators

it differs in its structure in that it's best to think of it as an mmo almost: you go around harvesting berries, heading to kurt for new balls, finding new corners of an intentionally-smaller johto region to foster exploration, making use of the cell phone system to have rematches with prior foes to slowly boost your team's overall level, and of course, implementation of the day-night cycle to need to play the game at different times to experience different things

you're not supposed to be able to just steamroll the game with 400% speed on, but that's how the majority of pokémon games are played retroactively, so people miss out on all the world building gsc actually did to like i said create an independent mmorpg experience that requires you to grind a little/take care of dailies and slowly work toward the elite four

play style and expectations completely shift gen two games for most people

>>9943538
this anon gets it

no other game is my most cherished pokémon a farfetch'd for its ability to fly and cut, truly mandatory hm's to get around johto

>>9943264
the pokemon pinball games are fun and playing the first pokemon ranger will kill your DS touch screen

I’m usually always in the middle of a Pokémon game. I grew up with Red as my first ever video game and played each new entry up to the newest ones. The end of the era of great Pokémon games was BW2. Those games are still good.
Right now I am playing Special Pikachu Edition on an IPS GBA. I am about to take on Sabrina (after having cleared out the bike path and Silph Co). My team is
>Charizard
>Vileplume
>Sandslash
>Pidgeot
>Seadra
>Nidoqueen

Pidgeot is the current MVP. Gen I - III will never get old for me. I also enjoy all the remakes.

If you're playing on a DS, you can trade up from the first gba games to the last DS games offline. You can continue trading up to current gen games with official storage apps on 3ds and switch. Virtual console r/b/y & g/s/c on the 3ds can trade up as well. It's a long and meticulous process, but I think it's great that you can even do it to begin with.

>>9944175
>Pokémon Trading Card Game is great. Surprised no one mentioned that yet. You guys have incredibly boring, basic opinions.
>>9943270
>honorable mention for TgC @ gbc
literally the first reply
>>9943453
>GrandMasterCourtney.jpeg
literally official art from the game
>mfw.jpeg

itt: pokemon I grew up with good, pokemon I grew out of bad

i always say crystal is my favorite however i haven't played it since i was a child

>>9944381
>>9943456
The problems with G/S/C is the day/night system, which means you will need a guide to Pokemon hunt as opposed to just being able to find every Pokemon no matter when you're playing with just a bit of hunting in the wild, which takes away from the fun factor of the game and makes it a bit more like a chore.

Also, the fact that evolutionary stones are locked off till past the point in the game where you really want them, or involving a nonesense cell phone quest where if you don't use a guide to know the right couple numbers to keep, there is a good chance you won't, since there are shitloads of trainers in the game who offer their phone number and there are no hints as to who gives important items and who is useless.

Now R/B/Y have "technical problems" but there is not a single one that ruins the single player game, it's only a problem for competitive autists which OP is not, and any weakness inbalance in the game really doesn't matter, because these are games people can beat with their fuckin' starter Pokemon, any challenge is basically in your imagination and self imposed for the sake of role playing anyway, so I don't wanna hear about that crap.

>>9944705
>mentions things in GSC that don't ruin the single player game but state them as if they do
>glosses over RBY
seeing you complain about the day/night cycle tells me you didn't grow up with these games and only played them later

>>9944728
I did grow up with them, and I also played them later. It sounds to me like you're coasting on your nostalgia of Gen 2 but haven't replayed it as an adult, because it's a very tedious experience as an adult, not a kid who's enamored with the world and doesn't mind changing their real life schedule to play a fucking game boy game.

Also if you want to play that shit flinging credibility game, I could insult you for being an obvious latecomer who played Gen 2 first and not Gen 1, you want me to do that? The thread would degenerate real quick.

>>9944781
i grew up with them, was a staunch genwunner forever, then replayed both rby and gsc in the last year and realized gsc is peak
you are why pokémon games are shit linear titles now, thanks chud

i find it hard to go back to vanilla pokemon after playing romhacks. having to use hm's is such a pain

>>9944447
I have a Raichu (among many others) that's literally 14 years old that I xfered up from Fire Red; huge pain but totally worth it.

>>9944794
>implying I play new Pokemon games
I'm a grown man in my 30's. Nostalgia is why I like Pokemon, not to insult people who still play new ones but yeah...that ain't me.

Also, fine, that's like your opinion man but you must not have a lot going on in your life if you like the time wasting and debilitating game mechanics of Gen 2. How is it somehow objectively good to have to do out of game research for what specific times of the day Pokemon appear and base your playtime around that? It's not good, it was fanciful as a kid when you had all the time in the world and it did somewhat immerse you, but it's definitely not a good mechanic upon repeated playthroughs.

And do you seriously think the cell phone side quest crap benefited the game or that locking important items in such a way was good? It has aged poorly, it was novel as a kid during your first playthrough, again, but it holds no novelty as an adult.

>>9943264
If you're emulating or using a flash cart I recommend getting a hack that makes all pokemon catchable/obtainable. Unless you don't care about that of course, or you want to play 2 seperate games(yourself or with a friend) and trade back and forth.

My interest with pokemon faded in the 3rd gen. So I don't know about that. But if you look for hacks just search for *gen 1 game* 151 or *gen 2 game* 251 for more vanilla options. I remember playing a leaf green or fire red hack that reduced available pokemon to mostly gen 1 but I can't remember which one, I liked it though.

I think gen 1 and 2 all hold up for what they are. If the last time you played one was when you were young you might notice how easy they can be at times, especially if you've played more turn based JRPGs since then. They're still fun and it's an interesting world.

I love gen 1 pokemon but it's nothing to me without the mew glitch. I love being able to find late game pokemon so early and being able to use them for the entire game. Gamefreak never seemed to figure out that it's not fun shunting all the best pokemon into the late game after the 6/7th gym.

I've tried randomizers before, but then I just find it goes too far in the other direction where the pidgeys are replaced with Rayquaza and it doesn't feel special anymore.

>>9943270
It's so fucking sad that the series never got definitively better than Crystal version. The two main things that ruin all Pokemon games gen3+ for me are a) they're agonizingly SLOW and tedious, and b) natures make me not want to play. When I catch an adamant Abra or get a timid physical starter, I just don't want to bother playing anymore.

I want to be incentivized to catch 30+ different Pidgeys but not like that. In my ideal Pokemon game, you would just gene splice good IVs from one mon and put them on another.

>>9945064
I prefer a smaller touch; give every route 1-2 new "late game" esque PKMN but still keep most of the pool generic or common. "Catch 'em all" hacks like Yellow 151 or Crystal 251 or Emerald 386 etc. go too far in the other direction, like you said, where rare Pokemon are too abundant and half your dex is completed by the third gym, at least as far as first stagers go.

Crystal had the right idea over G/S by putting Growlithe right around the 1st gym. Little improvements like that.

Any mainline game in gens 1-3
Pokemon pinball
Mystery dungeon blue rescue team
Pokemon tcg
Stadium 2
Anything else is zoomer shit or just bad.

>>9943264
Play Japanese Blue (you can patch it on a US rom), Yellow, Perfect Crystal, and the two Stadium games. You can load GB save files in emulated transfer packs.

>>9943534
How the fuck do I download this shit? No releases, no links, no files.

>>9945134
I THINK the newer games let you change natures and upgrade your IVs, but still, too little too late

Would someone born in late 1993 be considered as someone who had the full Pokemon experience? Starting from gen 1, gen 2 ect

???

>>9945971
it wasn't uncommon to have children age 8-9 play pokémon

>>9945971
Of course you did. Unless you're japanese

>>9945972
>9 years old
I was 9 in 2002. But Pokemon blue came out in about 1998 when I was only about 5. Do 5 year old play Pokemon

>>9945986
Yeah I get you because Pokemon came out earlier in Japan. You think like me, but I'm still worried I might have missed the mark even by USA release date standards

Late 93' is real borderline imo

>>9945971
Yes? I was born in 1994 and never questioned this.

>>9946036
I was emulating it on my brother's PC at age 5

>>9944705
>The problems with G/S/C is the day/night system, which means you will need a guide to Pokemon hunt as opposed to just being able to find every Pokemon no matter when you're playing with just a bit of hunting in the wild, which takes away from the fun factor of the game and makes it a bit more like a chore.
This is only bad if you're way of a completionist autist, otherwise you'd enjoy having more variety in what you find on your playthrough, the maps, etc. and it sounds like a plus. Content is bad if you can't find all of it immediately to satisfy your autistic urges, and while you enjoy completing things, it being a challenge is somehow bad and you're entitled to have the game completed for you, so as much as I dislike using the term, you were filtered-the very definition of the term applies here in an apt sense, I don't think even most completionists would fall this low. Complaining about competitive autistists is thus ironic, your challenge in finding everything is self-imposed.
I also didn't read your blog as competing on whose life is better on an imageboard is petty.

>>9946056
Are we talking late 94 or early 94? It makes a big difference. Pokemon blue released in USA in late 1998. You would have just turned 4 years old. I don't know about you but at 4 I was too dumb to play Pokemon properly. Sure I smashed some of the buttons on the Gameboy and liked the pretty colours but I never actually played Pokemon at that age. Do you really think an average intelligence 5 year old could properly play Pokemon blue? I won't talk for you but it sounds like you were a smart kid and probably ahead for your age. And probably had the reading and problem solving skills of someone of an 8 year old when you were 8?. I certainly didnt and was behind for my age

desu I kind of have a grudge against real time day/night cycles in games because it just means every single time I want to play a game at like 2am like a normal person it's fucking night in my games too.

I suppose pokemon isn't the worst offender since you could always just set whatever time you want if you really cared, but I hated it when I played WoW and literally every single time I'd get in game it was just pitch dark in org and thunderbluff.

>>9946068
G/S/C are really hated by people who love doing self-imposed challenges. That's the current trend in the pokemon fanbase by the looks of things, hence the massive uptick in youtube video essays about why the Johto games are so bad and everybody was wrong about them being good back when we just played the games as intended.

>>9943264
out of the remakes I've played

Fire Red and Leaf Green are easily the best ones, takes the original games, updates them, and adds post-game content and a much better E4 experience

Heart Gold and Soul Silver are fantastic, though they are bogged down by being in gen 4 which is the slowest fucking generation ever

Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are alright, they give you a free legendary for no reason (latias/latios) and make Team Aqua a bunch of niggers

Pokemon Shining Pearl and Brilliant Diamond are trash

Pokemon Let's Go Eevee and Pikachu has much more emphasis on catching Pokemon, has following Pokemon, it's not really challenging in any respect (granted these games never were), but I really enjoyed it as Kanto is my favourite region - and despite it's shortcomings, it's like one of the best new Pokemon games next to Legends Arceus and the new Pokemon Snap

Short version:
>play Pokémon red or blue on an OG Game Boy or a Super Game Boy.

Full Pocket Monsters experience: a /vr/ guide
>know absolutely nothing about the franchise and first engage with it through newspapers articles about a cartoon show that caused epileptic attacks on children in Japan
>read video game magazine articles that talk about a social phenomenon in Japan, called "Pocket Monsters", see some small screenshots and design imagen and think it looks weird and foreign but cool
>Call up various local game stores and ask them if they sell this japanese Pocket Monsters Game, only for them to have no idea
>forget about it for a while and one day you casually watch the first episode of "Pokémon" on cable TV and then you keep watching all the first season, meanwhile:
>Get Red or Blue and play on a Game Boy, or a Super Game Boy. Better alternative: GB tower on Pokémon Stadium, and using Oak's Lab for item and pkmn management, much better than the menues on the GB games. But, for a first playthrough it's not mandatory.
>Once you beat the game and catch Mewtwo, watch Mewtwo Strikes Back kino
>Read the "electric tale of Pikachu" manga
>Get a friend or a way to get the Pokémon from the other version that you're missing. Play Stadium's gym leader castle to get starters, fossils, eeveees and hitmons.
>Also try to beat the different cups in the main Stadium game as a post-game challenge. Start training low level Pokémon and buff them/give TMs and customize them.
>Buy at least a pack of the TCG, even if you don't care playing it, it's good art on them.
>play Pokémon Pinball and the Game Boy TCGs if you want somen extra gen 1 experience on GB
>play Snap and Smash 64
>Start reading rumours about pikablu
>Get hype for "Pokémon 2"
>Download a japanese ROM of Pokémon Gold and play a bit of it on a poorly coded emulator
>Play the actual Gold or Silver cart on a GB Color or go full pokemaster and play on Stadium 2 using the GB Tower, then play the Stadium cups.

>>9943264
play the pokemon yellow 151 ROM hack, everything else is shit

>>9946104
>Fire Red and Leaf Green are easily the best ones, takes the original games, updates them, and adds post-game content and a much better E4 experience
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Nigger are you fucked in the head or does your birthyear just start with a "20"? FRLG are RBY without any of the soul, charm or gameplay that makes gen 1 worth going back to.

>>9945134
Never understood this if you're only playing the single player. None of the games are even close to hard enough for nature to matter.

>>9946271
>Download a japanese ROM of Pokémon Gold and play a bit of it on a poorly coded emulator
Holy shit lol, my first experience playing GS was a Jap cart on a GBC display at Toys R' Us before the game was released.
Everything on that list is accurate except maybe
>Start training low level Pokémon and buff them/give TMs and customize them.
Catching Pokémon with good DVs, EV training them and giving them good tms for Pika Cup and Petit Cup is not a proper old-school experience just use the rentals.
Getting passed the lvl 20 Tentacruel that outspeeds literally everything with just rentals in Pika Cup is fun

>>9945134
I don't dislike RSE, I've come around to it as time went on but I definitely had a lot of stigma towards Ruby/Sapphire when I was 10 mainly due to the incredible amount of disappointment that there was almost nothing to do in the post game, ESPECIALLY that you couldn't visit Johto. The standard had been set by the previous games that there would be a large post game where you can revisit the old region and not delivering on that in the new game was incredibly disappointing.
In retrospect, it's funny to think I once had a high standard for GameFreak of all devs lmao.
>>9946437
Autism anon. I feel the same way. It even feels bad to use something like Alakazam and kill enemy Machokes because it gives you attack EVs which are completely worthless on something like Zam because EVs are limited to 512 in the GBA+ games. Why the fuck am I getting punished for using the a type effective weaknesses?

>>9946071
July '94 kid I got yellow when I was 4 in chrismas of 98' and beat it with an overleveled primeape when I was 5 almost 6 with help from friends on my block and at school.
I initially got stuck at Viridian city because I didn't know to go back to give Oak's Parcel to Oak and stopped playing to play Mario Land 1 instead. But when you only have 2 video games and eventually got passed it.
I also got stuck at Vermillion and had a kid who later came to be one of my best friends in elementary show me how to get cut.
The other place I remember getting stuck at was silph co. not knowing I had to take the warp panel and then immediately take it back to get the card key. That one I passed by pure dumb luck.

If Play Poke
Be Man Hard
Be Pikachu
First Gym Hard
Know One Thing
Brock is Gay
Do one thing
Shit Hard Gay

Look if Seal
Do One Thing
Sing Song Rain
Be Real King
Dugong Understand
World is hard
Face sear bad
Use UltHard

>>9946476
Ok cool thanks for posting, makes sense I suppose. It's just I was born Dec 1993 and I really only got into Pokemon on gen 3 with ruby but I was a poorfag growing up so parents didn't get my a Gameboy when I was younger. I was just wondering how things would have turned out if they could have gotten me one at a younger age. Thanks again fren for sharing

>>9944705
>The problems with G/S/C is the day/night system, which means you will need a guide to Pokemon hunt
Correction: normal people don't need a guide. However, you do because you're a fucking zoomer retard.

I loved GSC until i saw all the beta stuff. Now i keep wondering what mightve been...

>>9946607
Try Super Gold 97 romhack
Get the PDF guide to go with it

>>9946616
Is it better than Gold 97' reforged? I really enjoyed that one.

>>9946620
Yes. Reforged was based on SG97 but ruined the game balance and had non-canon OC-esque mons added in secret by the third-world dev.

>>9946624
>>9946620
In other terms, SG97 is uncompromisingly faithful to being a GB-era pokemon.
Fuck that one stupid brazilian youtuber for even mentioning Reforged.

>>9945971
obviously, I was born on late 1993 and I lived all the pokemon fever at elementary school, watched the anime, had the sticker album, my mum bought me Red, my dad took me to the cinema to see the first movie... I don't care about pokemon now but I'm very happy I lived the start of it, lots of fond memories

>>9946630
Gotcha I'll give it a go. I don't remember any OC mons in reforged though everything seemed to be from the beta.
the battle with blue at the end was incredibly cool. If that was true to the original idea of the beta and Pokemon would've just ended at that "I guess I'll... Smell ya later" after beating him I'd have been happy
It's very possible there was and I just didnt notice because in general I have a soft-spot for GSC and RBY Pokemon rom hacks even shitty ones.

>>9945971
Imo, if you were sentient enough to ask you parents to see the first pokemon movie in theater's you prolly had more or less the experience.

That being said I may just be a coping zillenial June 95'r lol

>>9946068
>This is only bad if you're way of a completionist autist, otherwise you'd enjoy having more variety in what you find on your playthrough, the maps, etc. and it sounds like a plus.
Quite the contrary.

Actually, I think it's bad because I assume most people play Pokemon like me and only play with Pokemon they like while ignoring the collectathon aspect, this is also made really annoying by the day/night system, because if you're basing your playthrough on a strategic attempt to make your team specific Pokemon, you have to play around the game's schedule because of the day/night crap.

Now, I'm sure I'll get a reply saying that playing this way is bad too and that you should just "play with any random Pokemon you encounter", but seriously who does that.....the games even hammer it into your head that the heart of Pokemon training is using who you like.

>>9947146
You can reset the games clock at any time by pressing down + select + b at the title screen. Though nobody really knew that when the games were new especially not kids. But even then, i thought the day/night cycle was cool when i was a kid.

>>9944870
If you was breeding shinies, egg moves, mom's for crystal battle tower and stadium 2 you would actually get these calls a plenty'

Play the game

>>9947612
>If you was breeding shinies
1. No one was "breeding shinys" in 1999-2000
2. With the knowledge we have today if youre "breeding shining" which have poor DVs in gen 2 youre an honest to god retard.

>>9947647
You can floor all the official content in GSC and stadium with maxed out stat experience shinies all day imagine Westoid meta fagging yourself to the point of being scared of shinies lmfaoooo

>>9947658
You can GSC with literally almost anything and doing both stadiums with rental mons is infinitely more fun and challenging.

>>9947146
The day night cycle isn't so bad when you're a kid where most week days are spent playing nights, and the weekend you play all day while digimon is on the tv

>>9943264
my favorite is fire red/leaf green
soulsilver and heartgold are a close 2nd
gen 1-3 are all fantastic, just don't go past that

I love pokemon and red version was one of my first times I remember genuinely loving a video game, I think when I finally got a copy I was 6 or 7. Gen 1 is worth playing for the experience, but as much as I love gen 2, the DS remakes are better for a few reasons (although they don't fixed the fucked up level curve). They add a lot of postgame content that can present an actual challenge in the battle frontier, and more importantly have the physical special split. Without going too in depth the physical special split made a lot of pokemon more usable. I just think it improves the experience a lot

>>9948834
to expand on it, before generation 4, a move's type was the only thing dictating which stat was used in damage calculation. for example, ice type was special, so both ice punch and ice beam used the attacker's special attack stat. it's not only kind of counterintuitive, it also means that if you have an ice type with high physical attack, it can't make use of it very well because it won't have any good moves of its type (1.5x damage bonus). ingame, this doesn't really matter since you can win with anything, but it did make a lot of pokemon markedly less usable. In generation 4, they changed this so that the moves were determined to be physical special individually, which helped a lot of pokemon.

>>9948843
>it also means that if you have an ice type with high physical attack
Tfw both stabs off 35 Special

>>9946271
holy mother of SOVL

>>9948894
it's not related to your pic, but I wish the pokemon anime kept the handdrawn art style at least until they finished johto, the anime looked like shit with digital art for years

>>9947665
>doing both stadiums with rental mons is infinitely more fun and challenging
is this even possible? I remember grinding the shit out of this as a kid and not being able to beat the hardest level. was pretty fun tho. but I haven’t played it since

>>9950435
I haven't gotten around to stadium 2 yet but stadium 1 yes.

>>9946624
>Reforged was based on SG97 but ruined the game balance and had non-canon OC-esque mons added
I played Reforged recently and don't remember any OC Pokemon that weren't in the leak and game balance seemed fine

>>9943264
Fire Red Omega. Thank me l8er

>>9948843
>ingame, this doesn't really matter since you can win with anything, but it did make a lot of pokemon markedly less usable
sounds great on paper, but in practise it ended up screwing over a lot of pokemon while helping others, lots of gen 3 pokemon became shit and never recovered since gamefreak is incompetent

>>9950821
What mons do you think were permanently damaged by the physical special split

>>9951373
Not him but things like zam losing the punches and needing to use shit like focus miss in gen 4 was pretty bad.
I think by now everyone should be mostly fixed though.

>>9951381
>>9951373
Woops was sageing another thread.
But also, I think splitting the special stat in 2 killed more pokes than the physical special split

>>9946437
honestly natures can really make or break playing with shitmons. maybe that's too close to a 'self-imposed challenge' but what's wrong with wanting to play with stuff like corsola?
sure you can just grind it out but thats really not all that fun

>>9951373
typhlosion still hasn't recovered from losing thunderpunch

>>9952820
Yeah natures are a non-issue for pokemon that are already good, you should only worry about them if you're trying to make a shitmon work. Like a calm Nidoking seriously isn't a big deal whereas you'd really want at least some kind of +atk nature if you seriously want to try using a Parasect.

>>9944870
i was gonna reply to you but was too lazy cause it was clear you're a sperg, and it looks like other people responded to you for me to confirm this

have a nice day

>>9951381
>>9953314
those are more competitive issues than ingame though, right? zam is still a monster between psychic stab and even like shadow ball and typhlosion can use plenty of other moves although that is a decent example. competitively the physical special split maybe hurt a few mons but ingame i'd say the impact was way more positive than negative

>>9943264
since you posted on /vr/ i will only be ranking /vr/ pokemon games from worst to best.
Red/Blue
Yellow
Gold/Silver
Crystal
Ruby/Sapphire
FireRed/LeafGreen
Emerald

Just dropping in to let you fellas know that no one had the "full Pokemon experience" unless you've physically beat someone in the school yard for trying to pinch your pokemon cards. Smell ya later!

>>9953397
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>>9937068

Is there a reason to play gold or silver when crystal exists? Same goes for red and blue vs. yellow.

>>9955519
Not really, Crystal is pretty much just objectively better. I guess if you really like to play on DMG or Gameboy Pocket then Gold and Silver are your only options for Gen 2 but that's it.

When it comes to Red/Blue vs. Yellow that's more of a preference thing. Yellow doesn't really add anything it just alters shit to make it different. I personally don't like Yellow because most of the changes just make things easier in a boring way.

>>9955519
Ampharos. Also, it always irked me how Suicune was randomly favored over the other two dogs in Crystal. For Yellow, Persian being unavailable and the ridiculous level curve jump between the 4th and 5th gym are a couple of points against it, as well as it being tweaked to follow the anime.

>>9955519
Yellow bothers me by being subservient to the anime, when if anything it should be the other way around. It makes the player character look more like ash. It inserts team rocket into the game as awkward cameos in comparison to the show. There's a weird out of place line by Brock where he says he wants to be a pokemon breeder. The sprites look like anime scans. Some of the poses are dynamic and cool, a lot are boring. One of the unique traits of red and blue are lost, and instead you get sprites based on anime images, based on promotional art, based on rgb sprites, which came first. This also clashes horribly with the backsprites. Select boss fights incorporating tm moves would make it more difficult if it didn't give you all 3 starters in the first quarter of the game. Starters aren't as op as legendaries but you'd be surprised how close they come. They level up at a faster rate than any pokemon except jigglypuff and clefairy, and every pokemon with higher stats than them levels up at a trash rate. They're your best, most practical option for their type when you get them, and unless you dislike any of them for some reason they'll get you breezily through the game. But I don't personally care about the game balance point nearly as much as I do them being less special by not being a starter pokemon anymore, and not being a choice.

And then there's pikachu. Through The opening cutscene, title screen, intro by professor oak, and all of pallet Town, you'd be forgiven for thinking that pikachu is the only fucking pokemon you get in this game. It gets special treatment to a laughable degree, spoiling the one generation where you didn't have to acknowledge the rat as being the most important pokemon. It was just number 25. Having a special bond with just it and nothing else is only something you'd be excited for if you specifically wanted to role-play as ash Ketchum. But I think role-playing as yourself in that new exciting world is preferable.

>>9955605
How does it make the player character look more like Ash? I went back and compared the sprites and they look very similar, the only difference I can see is they changed the pose. Ash was already based on Red.

>>9955605
This post reminds me of when rabid Pikachu hate used to be a thing in the fan base. These days everyone hates Charizard instead.

>>9955609
They game him ash's hat with the s. Replaced his jacket with ash's vest and short sleeved shirt, and gave you ash's triangular hair. That spikes out past his ears.

>>9955610
I like pikachu btw, but yellow version is literally a promotional product made for the anime film. It's a cynical product that detracts from the...for lack of a better word "purity" of the original games. I don't have issue with anyone liking it, it's a neat remix, a literal official romhack. but I have issue with it being retroactively given the title of the "definitive edition" a la emerald or platinum.

>>9955621
Crystal is way more of a cynical product. It was only made because they didn't know how to make another Yellow (hence their desperate and laughable choice of making one of (not even all of) the Dogs the mascot of Crystal).

Emerald works better, since there's only one big legendary left in RS besides Groudon and Kyogre, but unlike Yellow, it's still pretty much a waste of time and money, with features that could have been implemented into RS or just saved for the next Generation's games.

>>9955648
I don't like crystal either, but animated sprites, a female avatar, redone environmental art, the celebi event (fuck you NoA), and the battle tower are much more deserving reasons than "you get all 3 starters and can look at pictures of pikachu and sometimes rocket grunts look like Jesse and james" on top of the literal fact that its literally a mewtwo strikes back promo game. But anyway, the entire third version idea, all of which requiring trading with previous versions to catch em all, can suck eggs.

Fuck crystal btw. In a game where they decided to make it random and frustrating as fuck to fully evolve 1/3rd of gen 1 pokemon, and most legit gen 2 pokemon are rare af or post game, losing ampharos, magmar (moved to mt silver), and girafarig actually does make a difference.

>>9955665
At least when it comes to Crystal you can get Magby out of the egg you’re given from the Day Care couple, so you’re not totally locked out of getting Magmar before the postgame if you’re willing to soft reset a bit. Not ideal because you have to evolve it but I suppose it’s something.

Personally I like Crystal and feel like it has the most to offer out of the Gen 2 games but the Mareep line being unavailable does suck since there aren’t that many electric Pokemon for quite a while into a run otherwise.

>>9955613
>They game him ash's hat with the s.
What? No they didn't.
>Replaced his jacket with ash's vest and short sleeved shirt,
He's wearing the same clothes.
>and gave you ash's triangular hair. That spikes out past his ears.
That's how Red always looked, before the anime was even a thing.

Maybe I'm being too reductive but I feel like any discussion about a pokemon game being cynical is kind of undermined by the fact that the entire series was built on selling people the same game twice from the get go

>>9955718
I never really felt the need for an electric type in G/S/C. A lot of good pokemon can be easily taught Thunderpunch which is pretty cheap and you get it early on. I never used Mareep since Ampharos looks incredibly dumb to me, never felt like I was missing out on an electric pokemon. R/S/E on the other hand I could see with all those water types everywhere.

>>9955770
The series wasn't quit built from the very start with that in mind, splitting the versions was Miyamoto's idea.

>>9955782
wasn't quite*

>>9955770
The series was created because Tajiri wanted to share his childhood experiences of exploring the Japanese countryside looking for strange bugs and creatures to collect with a generation of kids who were spending more time indoors playing video games. He was a visionary who was genuinely enthused about the idea of sharing that happiness, the business decisions that were pushed by people at Nintendo as stipulations for funding this passion project weren't quite enough to drag that down for me. Pokemon started to falter when Tajiri stepped down from having an active role after Gen 2 and the games became much more focused than ever on being a money-making machine, being designed not to express a man's own sentimental nostalgia for a mode of childhood that was rapidly falling out of style but in such a way that would guarantee mass-appeal. With every new generation the games feel more alien to me compared to what they were like on the GB/C.

>>9955665
I agree that Crystal has a lot of cool stuff added to it, but I hope you see my point that it's far lazier of a concept than even "anime/licensed game" Yellow is.

>>9955770
That's a good point, though I don't know if I'd call any of this "cynical", personally. I'm only referring to a matter of respectives. The two versions (or multi-versions) thing is an artifact of 90s fad-ism and definitely has not aged well (not only in regard to playing a game on emulators, but also obviously because Internet trading obliterated most of the social aspect of trading, which was the whole point of having two (non-special edition) versions).

>>9943270
Even with Platinum’s improvements, Mt. Coronet and Team Galactic still drag down gen 4 for me.

>>9955803
>tfw from a concrete nightmare land

>>9943270
>b/w2
Is b/w1 worth playing then? I assume it continues the story from 1 at least?

>>9944705
>The problems with G/S/C is the day/night system
You mean the coolest part of GS, which helped keep Pokemon hype consistent up to and through launch days (and afterwards, since among their many other absurd disappointments, Ruby & Sapphire got rid of an actual day/night system).
You don't need a guide to know that some Pokemon appear in morning, daytime, or night (unless you are literally retarded and don't understand the differences between these times of the day).

>>9955665
Why did you lie to the nice old man?

test

>>9943512
>>9943270
Agreed. LG/FR are really solid.

>>9944813
Where the fuck to I begin with getting into romhacking Pokemon?

>>9955956
This. I want to import Pokedex entries, import graphics from Jap Red/Green (both of Pokemon sprites and of other graphics), and edit what Pokemon can be found where and how often: all to modify US Pokemon Blue's rom.

>>9955921
This, kek. Don't know troons are so obsessed with playing as a female. If it's just because they're happy for actual girls' sakes, there are plenty of games that girls played before and after Pokemon Gen 1-2 that only allowed them to play as guys (eg, NES, Genesis, and Super Nintendo games).

>>9955765
I pointed out the difference in the sprites.

>>9946372
"soul" is the most retarded description of a video game i've ever heard

>>9955975
The sprites are both based off of Red's original artwork, they just changed the pose.

>>9955558
>I personally don't like Yellow because most of the changes just make things easier in a boring way.
What are you referring to, specifically? Because it sure as hell isn't the enemy movesets. Also Brock actually forces you to train a second mon unlike RB.

>>9957197
Some of the move sets are improved sure, but I mean stuff like getting all 3 starters and Gym leaders getting more accurate teams like Surge literally only having the Raichu and Sabrina having a fucking Abra that only knows teleport. Only a few things like Brock and Koga are actually noticeably harder.

>>9955836
i played them both
but i would start with part 2
the story hardly carries anything over if you "transfer" your file from part 1 to part 2
there are some easter eggs but nothing major
i think you could find it on youtube but my sister and i did an experiment
one of us transferred and one of us didnt
i remember it just being faggy stuff but dont hold me to it.

"remember when you blah blah blah anon?" - npc

shit like that

>>9943264
this anon speaks the truth
>>9943270
although if you have already played RBY and want to transfer your monsters to the later games FR\LG is the only real way to get certain abilities\eggmoves

the overall game felt like a slog but im not sure why, technically EVERYTHING about it is better than the originals- nostalgia is a helluva drug

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>>9957218
>stuff like getting all 3 starters
The starters aren't even the best of their respective typings, and fire is outright garbage in RBY.
>Surge literally only having the Raichu
It's also a higher level and has a much better moveset. His Voltorb and Pikachu were never going to give you trouble.
>Sabrina having a fucking Abra that only knows teleport
She's an odd one for sure, I'll give you that. Every single other major trainer has better movesets than RB, though.

>>9957242
Women cross the street when they see you, right?

>>9957247
if you watched the tv show
yellow version is great
>added jesse and james
>pikachu follows you
>all the sprites look like the cartoon now

RBY is so short i think everyone should give it a go regardless of the newer entries being better\more polished

GSC = comfy and more of a small-daily grind type of approach, bit sized progress and cute time specific events

normies\zoomies dont understand this style of animal crossing time-locked gameplay and usually see it as an inconvenience; however discovering these types of things naturally on our own as children made the world feel v alive and got our imaginations going

>>9957253
KEKKED
anon, all my pokemon shit is hidden
everything in that photo is closeted -
however, pokemon is one of the TOP selling IP of all fuckin time brother
its literally more normie-tier than hello kitty

im actually very attractive in real-life
having other hobbies helps as well i would imagine
being a musician, electrical engineer, chiptunefag, pet seahorses etc

im not saying you should become a sperglord,
but you def shouldn't let the opinions of other men dictate your life
stay true to gods word, and yourself
strive daily to become even better

cheers brother

>>9957253
normies love pokemon, especially women
you're either really old and out of touch or just socially retarded

>>9957273
>im actually very attractive in real-life
i want to say you are lying, but there is a midi-nes in that photo

>>9957273
>pet seahorses etc
kek, this stands out in a charmingly autistic way.

>>9943264
odd that there isn't a Gameboy nor GBC mini...

>>9947168
Doesn't that require a specific passcode based on your in-game stats that you would never reasonably know without online help?

Hilariously, I once tried using DST to cheat the clock by moving an hour back to before midnight. The game wouldn't let me do it because the PC's mom lost the instruction manual.

>>9946354
>Forces in shitty retcons from later games
Fuck no! Not unless there's a way to revert the text changes back to vanilla.

>>9957242
>Repro cases
Disgusting
The early TCG stuff is really cool though I wish i had kept some of it when I was a kid. Is it expensive to collect now? I'd assume around the same as retro Yugioh?

Still need to find a box + that isnt completely destroyed for my Gold/Pinball
Puzzle League N64 CIB
Puzzle Challenge GBC CIB
Pokemon box NA MAYBE and of course more Pokemon Center game boys.
I refuse to buy FRLG and DP as those games are SHIT

>>9957339
>pic related: legit obtained as a 12yr old

nice collection
i have the carts\manuals
i sold my original cardboard during hard-times
dont bust my fucking balls anonkun (kek)

i have a cib pocket pikachu as well
the tcg stuff if you dont mind empty boxes can be SO cheap on ebay if you're patient and can live with yourself after bidding on the literal garbage the items game packaged in

>>9957218
>>9957247
>Sabrina having a fucking Abra that only knows teleport
Faggots who never played the game deteced. Sabrina's Abra knows flash.
Source: me being a retarded kid who used rage with charmeleon on sabrina's abra and got stuck in a loop where I could not kill it because I did too little damage when i actually did manage to hit it that my battery died and i lost all my progress of beating silph co

>>9957218
>Sabrina having a fucking Abra that only knows teleport
It was supposed to be recreating the anime episode where her Abra evolves in mid-battle. Koga does the same thing with multiple Venonats leading up to his Venomoth.

>>9957363
Nigger, I was just quoting him. I didn't care enough to correct such a trifling thing.

>>9957302

not recommended as pets
>short lifespan
>live food only
>hates humans
>soils\fouls the water
>dwarves = only feasible in sub 5 gallon tanks
its like the ultimate combo making it the worst fish

i changed the water every 72hours and fed 2-3 times a day

when they had babies i cried
they are wonderful animals
but they require our absence not our help

>>9957380
seahorses are fucking weird man how the fuck do they still count as fish

>>9957429
slow swimmers but they do all the same shit regular fish do

to add to the list of problems:
>dies from stings\burns
>tank must be species-only and STERILE (no hitchhikers)
>they eat their food by taking up a "snick" aka disintegrating their food into a cloud of pulp
>they usually are taken from the wild as most people are unable to breed
>they dont take well to shipment\transit
>they literally just hang about all day, you could spend an hour watching the tank and they hardly move at all (besides the eyes)

one cool fact is their eyes shine like a cats and reflect light, i would never change the fact i had them but i dont see myself buying more in the future

thank you for reading my blog

>to remain on topic
searhorse pokemon= horsea, seadra, Dragalge & skrelp

Does anyone ITT know any living breathing soul who has ever in their life used seadra (before kingdra existed) or seaking?

>>9957460
you had to be there anon

>>9957460
when i was a kid on my first playthrough my team had weird shit on it
two dugtrio
charmeleon
pikachu
etc

i use shitmon exclusively now
it makes the game a bit more challenging\fun

>>9957275
A woman takes one look at your Pokemon shrine, and she's calling three of her friends to take her home.

>>9957485
Fuck off, failed normalfag scum.

>>9957491
>you can't be a nerd and also have sex! it's impossible!!!!1

>>9957494
You can, but you're proving that you don't by being an effeminate social shamer on this Cambodian sheep skinning forum. You're a failed normalfag.

>>9957485
t. doesn’t realize women think Pikachu is cute

>>9957460
Nope.
You can't even find a Horsea in Gen 1 before saving Fuji, since you need to pass the Flute check to get a Super Rod. At which point you've already been given a free Lapras in Silph, and you've probably already learned how to evolve a Magikarp.
And if you somehow missed the Super Rod by the time you've gotten to the Seafoam Islands, you're 6 badges deep and already have a Surf user. If someone was going to ditch their Surf bro for a new water type that late, they had so many better options, even sticking to Seafoam encounters.

Seaking makes a little more sense, but I can't say I've known anyone that used it.

>>9957485
wasnt me but working out 6 days a week, living a healthy lifestyle, having other interests besides gaymen, grooming yourself well, lurking \fa\ once in awhile, collecting decent colognes, having a job, etc def helps offset any faggy stuff i decide to do

>>9957561
>>9957506
>>9957494
>>9957491
guys pls
there is more to life than being a sex-obsessed freak
you should only be sleeping with people you intend to marry

>>9957564
this.
however if you trade\transfer in the earlygame you can intentionally do shitmon runs like i do
im about to attempt the latest faggy switch title now that home is finally supported and i can do a run with my shiny pokeGo shitmon

>>9957460
Fish pokemon always got kind of shafted since on top of fishing just being kind of annoying, the games keep locking good pokemon behind Super Rods which you can only get late in the game.

At least they sort of started to figure out that the Old/Good/Super Rod system was dumb as fuck but then you also have to deal with fucking Magikarp everywhere being annoying.

>>9946271
/thread

>>9957613
im not reading all that nibba

>>9957637
>nibba
Go back.

>>9943584
>Is HG/SS missing any of that?
Quite a bit of it, actually. HG/SS added a lot of unneeded bloat that detracted from the experience.

>>9957718
the "bloat" was fun minigames, olympics, wifi, online battles, the motherfuckin pokewalker, etc

hg\ss was one of the most soulful games in the entire franchise please be fuckin objective

the only bad part about HGSS was arbitrarily being forced to fight your box gerbil for no reason before you're allowed to go to the E4, but even then you can just kill and it come back when you actually want to catch it.

>>9957723
I wish I had the image, but the bloat is actually a bunch of worthless dialogue from your 'friendly rival'. It's especially noticeable when you start a new game, and she even bothers you with a catching tutorial.

>>9957889
That and a lot of general redundancy in dialogue, such as the well-screencapped shot of Lance challenging Team Rocket. They got rid of the old localizer who had done every game up to Platinum, and it shows.

>>9957936
>such as the well-screencapped shot of Lance challenging Team Rocket.
Please tell me you have this. It's so fucking cringe.
>You shouldn't be a meanie and team up against people! It's mean!
vs.
>Am I late to the party? Don't hold back, now.

>>9946616
Is this the one with the type chart toggle in the options menu? A /vp/ anon made it. I made the type chart toggle.

>>9955956
>>9955964
https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/blob/master/INSTALL.md
https://github.com/pret/pokered/blob/master/INSTALL.md
The wiki tab for both repositories has tutorials for some basic stuff you can do. Crystal has significantly more than Red.

>>9957723
HG/SS inexplicably took away the amazingly good and fun Card-Flip game from Goldenrod Game Corner in exchange for a shitty and miserably Voltorb gay crap game (and slots in the Jap versions, which still sucks, just marginally less so), and thus should never be considered better than original Gold & Silver.

But they were still really great. Soul Silver is the last Pokemon game I went through, especially after being disappointed with Diamond. My Pokewalker is still with me and is still really awesome.

>>9958207
miserably boring

>>9957727
You forgot about this >>9958207

>>9957889
That image is such bullshit desu. It's like a minute worth of additional tutorial dialogue from your autistic friend and a few extra text boxes of the game trying to stop you from skipping shit you'd never actually want to skip like the running shoes or berry pots, all contained in like the first 20 minutes of game. Of all the things to focus on to call HGSS a downgrade that's like the pettiest shit to complain about.

>>9957236
>>9957242
Aha, thats a pretty sick collection. The Pokemon TCG badges are awesome. I worked at a card shop and helped out at Pokemon league as a "pokemon professor". Gave out a lot of those and birthday pikachus. The little battle stamp book we gave out to the kids was cool. It was a fun little system.

>>9956937
>>9952008
>>9957965
>>9955341
>>9955169

>>9958207
Wasn't this because of extremely harsh regulations about gambling? I remember the old man in Omega Ruby / Alpha Sapphire bitching about no more gambling and asking you if you like it in a sort 4th wall break, the dev yearning for years past and asking the player to confirm his feelings.
Might be CERO that got really dumb about guidelines around those years. I remember Sakurai telling stories about it.

>>9958207
It wasn't inexplicable at all, they didn't want gambling and casinos anymore in a game aimed at small children

>>9958863
iirc it’s because Europe and South Korea have stronger laws about gambling aimed at kids (and gambling at all in Soith Korea) so Game Corners were gutted in those regions first, and then it just became easier to cut them entirely rather than having a whole part of the game be locked to one region. CERO probably has stepped up it’s regulations around gambling though.

>>9958408
thnx anon
i wish i kept my bday pikachu

>>9958863
>>9958867
Then why did they replace Card Flip with Slots in the Japanese versions?

Replacing Card Flip at all seems pointless, as it doesn't seem like something that would encourage gambling like slots would. However, I also am not aware of how closely Card Flip resembles any actual gambling card game in reality, but I am not a gambler.

>>9960078
*as I am not

>>9960078
>>9958867
it was the EU regulations
aka the nannystate forced art to change
(once again)

they will never learn until its too late
tell me what to say
tell me what to think
Tell me how to create my art
wont you please tell me how to live?

these people deserve death, simple as

>>9960108
Cool it with the antisemitism.

>>9945971
I was born in 1993 and Suzunoki is my favorite as well.

>>9946354
Was fun. Sped up catching, leveling to complete dex and buying coins

>>9943264
PokeMMO

>>9959907
>>9959578
>>9960045
>>9961692
>>9961641
>>9960998
>>9956928
>>9961342
>>9960324
>>9961847
>>9960865

>>9944705
i completed the pokedex on both the rby and gsc virtual console releases on 3ds and everything you're saying is stupid

>>9945064
ftr, you can tune randomizers to have a distribution of pkmn across the game map with equivalent bst to what you would find normally

>>9945134
why would you allow something that amounts to a change in a few points of damage taken/dealt shut you out of playing the games. are you a mental retard

Pokemon is one of the few franchises I've grown to hate and, in fact, view as unethical. I was big into Pokemon as a kid, even asked my mom to take me to the first movie, and played Blue and Silver a lot. However, I look back at Pokemon with a lot of bitterness, seeing it as puerile and abusive trash. I have a lot more warmness towards my nostalgia of Digimon and Yugioh though. However, Season 0 of Yugioh was the best.

>>9962802
>YuGiOh
>not compelling children to gamble with booster packs
>or outright forcing them to fork over big time cash for singles
Nice bait.

>>9962903
Kids arent the ones typically buying singles. In any case yugioh isnt really a game suited for poorfags.
t. former competitive yugioh player

>>9963005
>Kids arent the ones typically buying singles.
They did if they had the money. There were even YuGiOh 'gangs' where they pooled resources. You don't know shit.
>t. former competitive yugioh player
I don't believe it. Also, you've failed to make YGO look less morally reprehensible than Pokemon, so I hope for your sake you were baiting.

>>9963024
I played from 2013 Ruler Format - Eternal format, taking decently long breaks after DOCs, MACR and when the time rule changed.
I'm not the anon you originally replied to. But I just don't see yugioh as a kids game. It's a game marketed toward kids but properly played irl by adults or teens with rich parents. Poorfags typically weren't taken very seriously.

>compelling children to gamble with booster packs
Popular cards from the anime are *typically* easily accessible or dirt cheap.
Pokemon does the same shit with its numerous booster packs and box sets.
The piece of yugioh media I can think of that heavily markets purchasing product is YCS streams and I'm pretty sure kids aren't tuning into ycs streams to hear an increasingly balding Jerome McHale saying shit like, "be sure to pick up the latest set for powerful cards to boost your phantom knights strategy"
Either way I don't give really a shit my issue with Pokemon is that it has become completely soulless. It would take a lot for me to ever see Konami as worse than GameFreak.

This nostalgia thread got me rebooting my old crystal save, this was the last six I had set
Shiny farfetch'd is the star of my team, but I have like a box and a half of other builds that I played with

>>9963065
I played Chaos format and Goat format as a young teen. You grown men were seen as faggots and weirdos. Adolescents absolutely played the game, and outplayed you, to boot.

>>9963069
Anon... where's your Chikorita
I wish my save batteries hadn't all died.

>>9963074
Right here anon friend
My crystal save has 310 hours, it's not my original cart one but I've been preserving it since crystal came out on vc for 3ds since homebrew made it so you could import/export saves

>>9943264
>Any of the remakes worth playing?
idk about remakes, but Pokemon Crystal Clear is a fun romhack even if it is controversial in the minds of some. It adds a fair amount of features like following pokemon and new player sprites while still maintaining compatibility with the original hardware. It also refrains from doing any outlandish nonsense like adding fakemons ect.

The controversy however stems from the fact that the main dev put himself in the game as the league champion, but I really don't care because Lance was dumb anyways so its really no loss to me. Purists can't handle the change though, they apparently want their fan game to be identical to the actual game instead of just playing the actual game instead.