/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9942898
>Virtual pinball
kinda missing trhe point entirety, go mechanical or go home

>>9943008
This is a bad opinion, OP. Disregard it.

>>9943008
but if i go home, will your mom be there waiting for me?
>>9943015
yes i'll disregard. mechanical would be better but i don't have an unlimited budget and i like Visual Pinball X

>>9943008
I mostly dislike pinball and even I have to agree with this point. Where is the pomp and circumstance of it all if it's just on a screen?

Do virtual skeeball next

>>9943057
I didn't think it was possible to find people more retarded than me. every day brings new discoveries I guess

What a coincidence I was looking for pinball discussion on this site the real ones not necessarily virtual ones, although I think they are cool too unlike the first reply on this thread which was clearly a shitpost
Is there actually a board where you can talk about pinball machines? Where would such a thread go?

>>9942898
>if it's worth having one,
Dude only you can decide that.
>- if it's really cheaper to build one versus buying one
No clue.
Well the new physics in VPX can be a bit demanding and if you wanna play Pinball FX tables you might need a better GPU depending on the settings you want.

>>9942898
>virtual pinball
i just dont see how i could possibly have fun like this

the various console titles were ok as a kid to pass the time
>nes pinball
>wangblows xp pinball

honorable mentions:
>virtual boy pinball
>the ones on pc engine/tg16

why wouldnt you just build a nice jamma cabinet if you have a hole in your pocket and money to waste on retarded stuff?

>>9943051
You could say that about any game that simulates a real world activity. Like what's the point of sim racing games? Just go buy yourself a fleet of supercars.

>>9943118
op here, i think i will just register to vpinball forums and ask my questions there

>>9942898

>>9942898
>I've been itching these days to buy/build a pinball cabinet.
>- if it's really cheaper to build one versus buying one (i took the diy route with my arcade cabinet and the costs were similar in the end to a bought solution)
Just fucking buy some pre-built thing. If you've already gone the DIY route with an arcade cab and it's already collecting dust, there is no point in investing too much time into setup.

>>9943467
> collecting dust
> implying
> you are supposed to use one and only one device forever
for god's sake how debilitatingly retarded do people have to be

>>9942898
>buy
Disgusting
>build
Unbelievably awesome.
Nothing is better than putting something like this together yourself.
>go physical or go home
OP, if you enjoy digital pinball then disregard this. Besides if you go digital you make up for the lack or ‘pomp’ with surplus of variety.

>>9942898
this feels like the pinball equivalent of getting cuckholded

>>9943279
Did not know VB had pinball. I will bump this thread and go check that out

-virtualboyfag

>>9943337
I dont want to use forums but I might have to for this, it is weird how there is zero mechanical pinball discussion on this site anywhere. Youd think there would be a thread hidden somewhere.

>>9943936
They occasionally pop up. They never last long, getting pushed to the bottom fast with all these shitty Chrono Cross / Zelda spam.

>>9943936
Start a pinball thread, we have pinball generals every so often. I’ll bump it

>>9943990
Id rather lurk in one for now since I just got interested in pinball machines like 2 days ago out of nowhere and I dont really know anything about them I played pokemon pinball in GB and thats about it, Im currently watching youtube content to educate myself.

>>9944608
Well, there isn’t one. If you start one and say you’re interested, there’s a very good chance you’ll get some good suggestions.
Personally I like the Star Wars table that was released in ‘98 and Terminator 2, although I will admit T2 is a bit on the easy side.
Lots of the generals usually praise the Addams family table but I don’t believe that ive ever played that one.
Plus you’ll get to learn the difference between Williams, gottlieb, and midway tables also. I think data east made the Star Wars one I like.
I used to play pinbot when I was much younger but I just remember being overwhelmed by everything happening on the table at once.

>>9943051
It isnt just the screen. Virtual tables use real bumper solenoids and flipper handware under the screen and the launchers use real springs/plungers with analog to digital converters via USB. You get the feel from every button press, and you can do the launcher skillshots like you can on real tables and its all very satisfying. There is also the tilt sensor so you can bump and nudge the table as much as the game allows.

It hasnt been “just a screen” for ages.

>>9944608
Even though virtual pinball is not the same as the real thing, it's still very good for learning and even practice. Pinball FX3 is good, the physics are pretty decent, you'll learn to live catch and post pass quite easily with it. My suggestion is to see what table looks fun to you and stick with it. Watch some youtube guides to learn the table ruleset and a whole world will open up. Going from just hitting the ball randomly to understanding how the table works is fascinating and it's when you start to get the appeal. Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars, Theatre of Magic, Monster Bash, Tales of the Arabian Nights are good starter tables with simple enough rulesets to keep you occupied.

>>9943091
Welcome to hell

>>9944818
Wow that sounds awful

>>9942898
Since this is a pinball thread figured I ask, anyone ever seen the GnR pinball table? Apparently it had/has an unreleased track exclusive to it.

>>9944818
Seems like a facsimile. I know for a fact if I was playing Funhouse the pop bumpers are on the top right of the board so it'll feel weird if they're anywhere else. And what about tables that have bumpers elsewhere?
>princess and the pea
Authenticity. If you don't care don't pretend to care with non-solutions. This is a real hard sell and I'd like to see an example so I have some idea of what you're imagining. Maybe I'm just spoiled because I have a pinball bar downtown.

>>9944818
Seems like a facsimile rather than being one. I know for a fact if I was playing Funhouse the pop bumpers are on the top right of the board so it'll feel weird if they're anywhere else. And what about tables that have bumpers elsewhere?
>princess and the pea
If you don't care about authenticity don't pretend to care with non-solutions. This is a real hard sell and I'd like to see an example so I have some idea of what you're imagining.

>>9942898
LCD pinball looks terrible.

>>9942898
Look unplayable just get a real one

>>9944918
Looks like it’s just an exclusive solo by slash, who helped design the game

>>9944820
I did download FX3 with all the DLC for now, there is a lot of tables so Im going to be busy.
>>9944771
I see thanks.

>>9944820
>Going from just hitting the ball randomly to understanding how the table works is fascinating
And yeah this is what I realized, this game has quite the learning curve which filters almost everyone.

>>9945081
https://www.jerseyjackpinball.com/games/guns-n-roses/
Okay that’s what ur talking about I think. I don’t know why I didn’t see this wiki before but this is what I was looking for, it’s from 1994: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns_N%27_Roses_(pinball)

>>9944820
do you know if I can play pic related on pinball fx3 or another pinball program? I want to practice

>>9945558
that table is not in fx3 from what I can see

>>9942898
Get the Rick and Morty pinballROM or whatever they're called now that Roiland's been cancelled

>>9945558
https://www.vpforums.org/index.php?s=22c526a1920261bb6ba9fbac78d5df0b&app=downloads&showfile=12898

>>9943936
>I dont want to use forums but I might have to for this, it is weird how there is zero mechanical pinball discussion on this site anywhere. Youd think there would be a thread hidden somewhere.

Because... for whatever reason...Pinball machines cost thousands upon thousands of dollars. And Tens of thousands for the more popular ans well known machines. For example, a classic Addam's Family Pinball machine goes for around $10K. Maybe more if you want a shop to completely restore it and make it brand new again.

Pinballs are *more* expensive than even buying used arcade cabinets and arcade machines. Pinball is the most expensive hobby you can have when it comes to collecting games.

Very few of us collect pinball here for that reason. Why spend $20K on 2 or 3 classic pinball machines when I could FILL an entire arcade room with retro arcade cabinets with that amount of money?

It just doesn't make any economic sense.

>>9945902
Because videogames you can just perfectly emulate but real pinball you cannot, and much of its the appeal its how its "real" and not a computer game.
And I dont think you have to own a machine in order to be able to talk about them.

>>9944904
I prefer Virtual Virtual Skeeball

>>9944962
Of corse it isnt perfect. The solenoids are there to simulate the table feel (vibration you feel through the table at various contact points and electromechanical vibrations) plus give you that satisfying metal on metal “snap”. The flippers feel good because their solenoids are right where they are located on real tables, so you get the electromechanical snap right where it happens on a real table. Same is true for the left and right slingshots (sidelanes with launchers when ball is saved) as those are in the same place on almost all tables. The problem as you said are the bumpers at the top of the table which are in different places for each game. You will get the noise and vibration coming through the table but not from the exact spot of where the bumper appear on the real table.

With that said the amount of physical feedback used in virtual tables is beyond what you find in a lot of other simulators at the hobby level and it is a growing industry.

>>9946426
For an idea what this actually looks like under the digital playfield:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9BiX4I88iVE

>>9942898
This is one of the gayest things I have ever seen.

>>9945902
>a classic Addam's Family Pinball machine
I grew up in a household with many pinball machines, including this one. None of them are worth discussing except for Medieval Madness.

Apparently they're being reproduced soon.
https://www.carolinapinballs.com/new-pinball-machines/p/medieval-madness-pinball-collectors-edition

>>9945902
I agree with this post for the most part. Pinball machines re just too expensive for people to jump in the hobby. I really hate how some people treat their machines as financial investments too. Some pinball company needs to make recreations of famous pinball machines to drive the price down of older machines. I'm sick of seeing machines with a selling price of 10K+. There was a time when my time used to be able to go to bars and owners would sell them their old pinball machines for like $200 dollars. Now normies have infiltrated the hobby and everything costs thousands of dollars for old machines. Ridiculous.

>>9946750
They became prestige items for boomer man caves.

How much did Pinball machines cost back in the day? Like in the 80s and early 90s? Surely they didn't cost tens of thousands like today?

Maybe someone knowledgeable know this - what are the profit margins on something like a brand new Stern?
Obviously pins are sold at what the market tolerates, but is there really ever going to be a point where we see quality machines at $1-2k highly produced?
It seems like interest in pinball is at a modern high since the 90s boom, I'm guessing largely driven by younger people who get hooked after playing virtual pinball.

>>9947043
All I know is that the used pinball market sucks ass now. Pinball prices suddenly rose several thousand dollars for old pinball machines. Like bitch please...your old ass pinball machine paid for itself decades ago. It is COMPLETELY unaffected by "inflation". The only prices that should be affected by inflation are brand new machines being made by pinball manufacturers today. Not your old pinball machine that had been sitting in your garage for decades that you bought at a garage sale.

>>9942898
it gets boring fast, and no one wants to hang out at your non-place of a home. just turn a monitor sideways and play until you lose interest.

>>9947110
Really? Maybe it's time to sell my Taxi machine.

>>9942898
>tfw no skill pinball of super Mario themes nor Zelda overtones

>>9947123
Remember you can only sell something if someone actually wants to buy it. For sale sections are full of overpriced pinball machines sitting there for months with no one interested lol. People acting like they sitting on a goldmine when only other boomers and collectors are interested in buying it. And those boomers and collectors aren't buying machines at those overhyped prices.

>>9942898
people will like you if you bring it to your local furry convention

Pinball seems to be having a resurgence, seems to be nostalgiafags with money buying tables for their homes but hey its better than nothing.

>>9947110
That's not how prices work. A thing's value is determined by what people are willing to buy and sell it for. Pinball machines are more in demand than they used to be, so the price goes up.
That's also not quite how inflation works. A US dollar is worth less than it used to be, so pinball machines cost more dollars.

>>9948189
>That's not how prices work. A thing's value is determined by what people are willing to buy and sell it for.


NO. The price increases has nothing to do with a few more people being into pinball.

The prices are going up dramatically because some people are artificially inflating the price of their classic old pin machines to make it seem like pinballs are worth more than they actually are. And then trying to sell their machines for higher prices.

It's the same issue paintings and art..... and now with trading cards (pokemon, YuGiOh, magic, etc) and Retro video games. Random ass "grading companies" buy old used copies of Nintendo 64 games. Then "grade them" on a scale of 1 to 10. Then they sell those graded copies (to their friends and business partners) for hundreds of thousands of dollars, and publish news articles about it to hype up the market.

Articles like" "Oooo this graded 9.8 copy of Mario 64 sold for 1 million dollars at auction."

This makes people excited thinking THEIR shitty copies of Mario 64 are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. And now there's a ripple effect of everyone trying to "grade" their retro games and sell it or hold onto it for financial investment.

You think websites like pinside have their sales publicly viewable for fun? No of course now. It's public for a reason. Same with their estimated value sections. They want to hype people and make the prices higher.

Face it. Pinball machines are just the next step (after retro games) for people to artificially inflate prices. They want prices to go higher on classic pins so the owners can make big money while the bubble market is hot. All retro games have been hit by this. It's now pinball's turn.

BTW they are trying to artificially inflate other things like PIC Related. They are almost done with Retro games. So VHS tapes are next for their prices to be pushed higher.

>>9948297
I reluctantly agree with you. The more you dig into it, the more you realize private collectors are no different than retro game/trading card/whatever hoarders. Hoarders don't sell unless it's dire, and it's in their best interest to have their "investments" valued at the highest prices point possible.
How many suckers are buying Attack from Mars machines at nearly 5 digits, and how many pinball hoarders are really willing to part with that machine? Probably not many.
Fact is, for the vast majority of us, our only hope to play a wide variety of machines is to hope you live near a decent arcade/barcade.

>>9948297
Yeah something fishy is going on. The prices have almost doubled on some pinball machines since 2020.

>>9947043
Decent but Stern is very careful about how many machines they make since the majority of their sales come from collectors, people who want a table for their man cave and bars.
>but is there really ever going to be a point where we see quality machines at $1-2k highly produced
No because they cost that amount in the 90s and while inflation is used as an excuse to jack up the price of used games buying a new Stern table now is roughly the same as buying a Williams in the 90s when adjusted for inflation the difference being Williams was selling mostly to arcades and bars who would then sell their old machines to collectors once they stopped pulling in patrons then the arcade/bar would buy a newer table.

My advice is if you wanna play a real table then check pinballmap.com and see if any bar in your city has some.

>>9942898
>doubles as a vedrtical shmups cabinet
noice.