/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9933518
It's bad etc

>>9933524
No, etc

>>9933518
it's one of the best video games i have ever played. time loops that the player does not have an omniscient control over are a simple and straightforward gimmick that filters millions.

>>9933537
Agreed, I also heard people who think are "2cool4zelda" played this one as their first Zelda because they heard it's dark, then immediately got filtered, as it's intended for people who already played OOT.

>>9933537
It's my favorite Zelda game and one of my favorite games period, but I do acknowledge the time limit may put people off, as well as the big part played by simple trial and error and staking out characters and locations for small little hints and insights on what to do. I don't mean THAT specifically is the appeal by itself, but it contributes to make you fully take in the setting and atmosphere while you just hang out doing your nonsense.

Ironically, the changes in the remake addressing those "issues" for a broader audience completely warp and spoil the experience. I'm unironically sorry for people who play that version as newcomers and simply get a bland ersatz experience as a result. I enjoyed the OoT remake though.

>>9933518
100% DECOMP WHEN

>>9933518
Still haven't gotten around to playing it. OoT was kind of a disappointment for me. Is this game better?

>>9933681
It's safe to say it won't be for (you)

>>9933681
If you don't like OoT you probably won't like any 3D Zelda game

>>9933537
Honestly I think the hallmark of a great game is one that is universally loved or hated with no in-between.
If the game is just "okay" by most everyones standards that usually means a lot of compromises were made to appeal to everyone.

ive never played a game that can live up to this. horrible introduction to gaming. cause i cant like anything else as much

>>9934558
Damn dude, you ruined yourself right from the get go.
I at least had the SNES and first half of the 5th gen before I got to this game, but I feel similar.
Some games like DS1 and KOTOR2 come close, but are just barely out of reach.

>>9934723
kotor 2 is also one of my favorite games. I can't really get into 'real' cRPGs though.
Yeah man its great. MM is packed. In non retro games I get so bored running around the open world stuff and I feel like they have even less content than MM spread over it. MM isn't really open world I guess but you never really get tired of the environment in the open field because of how drastically they shift the biomes. It may seem inorganic but it really fucking works. and then you have the goron roll which just makes moving around fun as hell. I have no idea why not even the zelda series can replicate that.

>>9933518
>Esoteric
>one of the highest selling games on the entire system
ok

Going to post a few of these.

And some in-game night scenery to end it.

>>9934827
The bible is the best selling book of all time and yet encloses a ton of esoteric content.
Think better.

>>9935027
they give those for free, I have like 7

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>>9935026
Wow, it's almost like playing the game!

>>9933598
I played the remake with a fan patch that fixes some things back to the n64 version
I think I should beat the original eventually

>>9935013
Sometimes I'm just amazed this is a major Nintendo game.

>>9934521
that's exactly how I felt about MM as a kid though. "fine, like OoT but worse and kind of annoying to play"

I love so much about Majora's Mask, I think it's a great game, but it wasn't something I could ever see myself replaying again. I managed a 100% clear but the clock sent my anxiety into overdrive constantly.

>>9935026
Honestly looks worse than the n64 version. Like somebody just imported it in to unity with default lighting.

>>9933518
Ew, my first team projecto....
Getter that shitto away from me!

>>9933518
I really love that initial area, but it's over in less than 60 seconds wtf. My dream is a romhack that lets me actually explore and go from A to B with no cutscenes. I really love old 3D games and their engines and aesthetics a lot.

>>9935158
You never replayed the 3DS version? the timer runs 33% faster but it's a non-issue when you get into a groove. there's a lot of save points and you can close your handheld and do some shit posting before resuming.

>>9936767
The game peaks when you find the staircase to the observatory.

It really is a great game. I felt like something was kinda ‘off’ about it compared to OoT at first, but playing through it made me realize it’s the better game in every way.

>>9936801
I like the game but there's certainly something off about it.

>>9936752
Fuck you aonuma, you ruined zelda.

Is there a Zelda OoT Hack where Ice Arrows are like the ones in MM?

>>9936752
hey look, its the guy who destroyed zelda forever because he couldn't make a decent fantasy setting without ripping off ghibli and got mad when folk didn't like it.
thanks for the tiktok content my man.

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>>9937226
i have zero clue what you guys are referencing

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>>9937226
How much was he involved with A Link Between Worlds? I imagine not a lot, considering how good that game is.

>>9937289
Literally none. He didn't get brought on until OOT, but even then he didn't do a ton on it or MM. At least when compared to the other directors.
>>9937170
Theres that indigo hack that is trying to bring in a lot of MM stuff IIRC, idk what all is in it.

>>9937303
I was talking about A Link Between Worlds, not A Link to the Past.
According to Wikipedia, he was the producer of that game.

>>9937308
his main involvement was probably the sword gameplay which tbf, up until BoTNotZelda, he was pretty ok designing, but lately I'm beginning to suspect that he didn't design such gameplay otherwise the latest entries would have had decent boss fights. So, he's more than likely a hack.

>>9937308
Oh I spedread, ALBW is just a light remake of ALTTP anyways. So 90% of the stuff in that game can't be attributed to him.

>>9937324
>ALBW is just a light remake of ALTTP anyways
I would agree with this, if not for the wall-merging mechanic. Wall-merging alone makes ALBW completely distinct from ALttP, changing the design of both the overworld and the dungeons.
ALBW had a lot of other things too, like item renting and the auto-refilling magic meter. The story and the OST were really good too.
So yea, I don't think calling it a remake of ALttP is entirely fair.

Far more interesting and a much better game than Ocarina. Best atmosphere, interesting NPCs. Seriously, I love following them around and talking to them at the end of the third day when the world is about to end. I love how the game has a greater focus on just helping people and less on the dooongeons. And the dungeons that are there might be the most challenging and sadistic across the entire series.

>>9937343
I'm not trying to say he didn't do anything, but all of the pieces were kind of already there.
Most the bosses are just modified versions of the ALTTP ones, same with the dungeons and enemies.
I do like ALBW, and wish its the direction the series went in instead. But aonuma wasn't even the director for that one, he was just the producer. Which makes sense because it seems like he keeps his focus on the mainline games.

>>9937359
But he only directed TWW and TP. He was also a co-director for OoT and MM. For most other Zelda games (including BotW and TotK) he is the producer.

>>9937234
Aonuma numa iei ruined the franchise with his botty-wotty tiktok Ubisoft trash.

>>9937368
Hmm, okay maybe I am wrong then.
I still stand by my point that a lot of the ground work for ALBW was already there for him.
I think aonuma can have good ideas, I mean shit like stone tower is god tier. Hes just not very good at doing things outside his specific niche (dungeon design), giving him full creative control was a mistake.

>>9937303
>Theres that indigo hack
It's this one: https://youtu.be/h4x7Lnwp2Y8
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>>9937392
Also, SS, BotW and TotK were all directed by Hidemaro Fujibayashi. whom I've never heard of.
Interestingly, he also directed the Oracle games and The Minish Cap.

>>9937402
Yeah its WIP, but seems to be adding a ton of shit.
I can't say for sure if its in there or not, but most every romhack just uses OOT. I think the exception is the missing link, but it doesn't have ice arrows.

>>9937412
The real masterminds IMO have all seemingly fucked off to mario or management positions. Its no secret at this point the reason majoras mask is so good is it was koizumis brain child, and he also did all of clocktown and the NPC stuff.

>>9937412
he's more than likely his protogée after forcefully removing Koizumi out of the picture. people should also look at the writers too fyi.

>>9936752
His only good game. All his talent went into MM. What a hack.

>>9937412
>Hidemaro Fujibayashi
This sounds like a fake Japanese game developer someone made up on the spot to led credibility to a rumor or something

>>9936752
You had Koizumi to salvage some of your fuck ups.

>>9937476
>forcefully removing Koizumi out of the picture.
Nah, Tezuka needs his brains for Mario projects when Miyamoto isn't looking, so they dragged him outta Zelda.

whats games should i play if i like these 3d zeldas

>>9937640
Souls series

>>9937737
they're not for me, and not because of the difficulty

>>9937640
You're SOL mate. There are no other games that come close to the 64 zeldas. Best you will get is ALTTP, but its a very different sort of feel.
A lot of other games have tried to copy the OOT formula, including other zeldas, but they all come up short.

>>9937170
Yes there is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4JDjzLKYiQ&list=PLFiQe2SVB7MQixT3BNssWmd-2UhJnT_DU&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPE9EfZISQ0

>>9933518
You forgot erotic.

>>9937640
Fable
Skyrim
Witcher 3
Elden Ring

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>>9935013
"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure - the greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature."

>>9935158
I never got this. With the song that slows down time you have more than enough time to do stuff. It's always in two steps: first you have to do the pre-dungeon quest, and when you get access to the dungeon you can just start time over for clearing the dungeon.

>>9937957
It's the side quests that this is a way bigger issue for than the dungeons.

>>9933518
The remake is better and only the truly autistic are bothered by it.

>>9936801
whats in there is definitely higher quality but the fact that it only has 4 dungeons can't be ignored either

>>9937961
Fair enough.

>>9937640

Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon
Okami
Darksiders

>>9934521
No, that's just the hallmark of the modern internet and social media which has trained people to express opinions only in the most extreme language possible.

>>9941145
Nah, there were a lot of people who fucking hated MM on release.
You don't get these kinds of opinions with modern games (excluding this website), because everything is made to be as palatable as possible.
Look at totk. No risks, no major mechanic changes, its just botw 2. All modern games are made like that now a days, because they put 5+ years in to a project and can't risk it failing.

Before this thread dies I just want to say majoras mask is the pinnacle of artistic creation.
Even its detractors concede that is has god tier atmosphere.
I hate that people fight over it and OOT, I see them as two pieces to a single puzzle, not competitors.

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>>9941023
Hey, fuck off.

>>9937860
OMG. THANK YOU, you don't know how happy I am for having a useful Ice Arrows. I was so frustrated in my childhood after getting it going through all that challenges in Gerudo Training Ground.

>>9942270
People who fight over this shit aren't invested in either game. They're invested in internet arguments.

>>9941294
This. I personally loved the game but there is a good reason people looked at it as some black sheep of the series for a good period of time, you either loved it or you hated it. Reused assets being the basis of a lot of gripes against it.

>>9933518
I first played OOT last year via the pc port at 144fps. It was amazing and has shot up into my top 3 favorite games. Is it worth waiting for the pc port to MM or should I just play it already? Does it have a 60fps mod and widescreen mod and such?

>>9944442
The pc port at this rate isn't going to be done for another 3 years. Any 60fps mod will break the game so dont use them, theres the "redux" mod which adds widescreen and a few other QoL stuff. Theres also nerrels HD texture pack, which is the best texture pack in any game IMO.
The base game runs at about 20fps consistently, so you'll have to tough it out big boy. Keep in mind too that this game was also made in a single year.

>>9944442
i personally don't think the fps boost is necessary for oot and mm and i have a 170hz monitor

the animations are all keyframed very nicely and the game has good framepacing so it never feels sluggish. also all the game logic actually runs at 60fps so it's extremely responsive

i would recommend using the "redux" romhack that removes minor annoyances like having to watch a cutscene every time you use the elegy of emptiness, etc. i don't personally like nerrel's pack but that's really up to you. i'd play it at 240p with an optional crt filter

>>9944451
Yeah thats what I was afraid of honestly. It seems like the decomp for MM has been stuck on 75% for the past year. I appreciate the recommendation on the texture pack but I find the base look endearing. I'll look in the redux mod. Thanks m8.

>>9944461
Word around the office is there are like two guys working on it and theyre at the really hard to decompile stuff now.
If the game was OOT levels of popular this wouldnt be an issue but here we are.
Also don't expect OOT 2, this game is very different and Weird with a capital W.

>>9944456
The problem with low fps was and has never been choppiness, it's the input lag that it adds. The game can only start an action when it starts a frame so, 20 frames per second can add 50ms of input lag. Animation choppiness can be stylized (just look at how anime runs with limited animation), but you do not want choppiness in your inputs, so to speak.

Worse, low frame rate produces the worst kind of input lag, inconsistent input lag. If your button press is right before a frame it is more instant than if you pressed it farther back between frames. The brain can account for a consistent delay, the delay in our peripherals can feel unnoticeable. But it cannot "bracket off" a delay that is random, the alignment of your inputs with the games clock rate is essentially random. High frame rates make input misalignment have less wild variance. In theory a game could render at a modest frame rate and run its logic/inputs at a more snappy frame rate, but I don't really know any game that has tried to decouple these.

>>9944456
>also all the game logic actually runs at 60fps so it's extremely responsive
Oh I misread your post, is this true?