/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9938341
if you only save like in your screenshot and don't load, then you still beat the game
get rekt

Who the fuck save states on title screen

>>9938343
Based Kazuki

>>9938341
Yes I'm a scrub who sucks at games, and with save states retro games are finally accessible to me. No fucks given

>>9938343

>>9938342
wrong, the mere act of saving is a sign of not only weak will but a sign of being a fake gamer.

>>9938350
That's fine, but you didn't beat the game.

>>9938354
I want to play the games, not brag about beating them on a Peking Pissdrinking Board, so I'm okay with that

>>9938341
Fuck you, I mastered Title Screen Gaiden even with savestates.

>>9938356
You didn't play the game though, playing the game implies playing by the game's rules. You played a different game.

>>9938359
Yes I played a better game that doesn't artificially lengthen the playtime through unforgiving difficulty so that people don't notice it's only an hour long

>>9938358
haha, no.
You didn't master anything except cheating like a scrub. Maybe if you actually took the time to get good you would have genuinely mastered the game.
>>9938356
This is what separates you from being a gamer, you are simply a player, a scrublet who will never truly enjoy video games all because you didn't beat the game.

>>9938365
>This is what separates you from being a gamer, you are simply a player
I'm okay with this since I have interests other than video games that also deserve my time

>>9938365
>being so jelly because you never got halfway even in Title Screen Alpha: Regional Differences Galore
poor babby getting filtered by multiregional pro gaming

>>9938361
Might as well use a game genie at that point, you're already cheating anyway.

>>9938378
Title screen alpha is easy, tho. I 1cc'd at least thrice.

>>9938380
Is there a game genie I can add to the NES classic mini? Asking for a friend

>>9938365
>This is what separates you from being a gamer, you are simply a player...

Well fuck, so many of us will have to turn our official Gamer™ cards to our nearest registration office and renew the next time we 1cc Battletoads without warps.

>>9938375
Being a gamer doesn't mean you dedicate your life to video games, it's simply a mindset of doing thing in a proper, fulfilling way, for instance cooking a meal, if you actually take time to prepare a proper meal it's far better for you both physically and mentally instead of just microwaving some prepackaged frozen food. You have made a meal either way but they are not even comparable. Just because I actually cook my own food doesn't mean I dedicate my life to cooking.

>>9938410
>food analogy

>>9938397
Hakchi bro.

>>9938416
>I do not have a counter argument
Analogies are a perfectly reasonable tool so you can better understand the point I am trying to convey which is that you are a weak willed loser who should actually take some pride in themselves.

>>9938410
You are no cook.
Not even remotely.
You experience with kiddie toys can not relate in any way to the fine art of cooking, stop deluding yourself: finishing a game on its terms is not an art just something basically akin to the most bland retroachievement ever.

>>9938426
Bro I am so bad at video games I could practice for ten lifetimes and still suck ass at them. I have such terrible manual dexterity that I didn't figure out how to masturbate until I was 17. No amount of "getting gud" would ever be enough, so instead I choose to simply enjoy those things using cheats and save states, the end

>>9938427
Did I say I was a cook nigger, no I said I prepare by own food from scratch, I have made my own pasta noodles from flour, I make my own sauce from veggies and I make my own beer to drink with all of it. At first it was annoying but it's been well worth it, I apply this mindset to all of my tasks and I get far more fulfilment in my life.

>>9938427
Found the guy who didn't beat the game!

>>9938345
to skip intros

>>9938438
Mate, let's be honest here: first you rant about some made up "gamer ethos" that supposedly gives you an edge onto the "casuals", then you sperg about being able to cook your own food in detail while denying you're doing it.
It seems to me you're simply trying to be an ass about your self imposed, made up rules, in a desperate attempt to give yourself the edge you somehow feel missing in life.

To make it bluntly, "real" gamers don't need to boast about being able to finish games without savestates, exactly how real cooks don't go around telling everybody they can cook, because all the validation they need is already given to them. Let people do whatever they fuck they want with their life, games and food and be happy with it.

>>9938457
imagine being this much of an assmad loser, this is what happens when you don't beat games, cheater.

>>9938465
>n-no, you!
aaaand we've come full circle.

ok

>>9938469
you didn't beat the game

>>9938341
Oh no! Some faggot on the internet doesn’t approve of how I play a Super Nintendo game? How will I ever go on?

>>9938341
I didn't even play the game OP

>It's another thread where faggots who bought guides for solutions, magazines for cheats and called literaly game tip hotlines for help pretend they were ever hardcore
Get a job.

>>9938510
Nobody said they didn't approve of cheats. They just acknowledge the fact that, you can't call it a win if you cheated.

Nothing wrong with using cheats for fun, as long as you don't pretend you beat the game.

But here you immediately jump to conclusion and get defensive and insulting, which shows how insecure you are about using cheats. You're probably one of those people who lie to themselves
>actually I did use cheat but it counts anyway because [insert trendy excuse like muh rentals or old games = bad design]

>>9938671
You see, the problem is that normal people, unlike you, don't care whether they beat a game or not. Normal people actually want to have fun playing games.
It's blatantly obvious that you're just projecting your weird insecurities. People will never care that you beat games X, Y, and Z. Grow up.

>>9938689
>You see, the problem is that normal people, unlike you, don't care whether they beat a game or not. Normal people actually want to have fun playing games.
Then why did you feel the need to save state until you beat it? Aren't you a normal person?

>>9938727
Well, I don't save state, but I also don't play a lot of difficult games either.
Your argument doesn't make sense though. There are people who just want to play a game for fun, not to beat or master it. These people don't really care that they haven't beaten the game, and they don't pretend that they have. They also don't care that you're a more "real" gamer than they are, or whatever.

>>9938727
Save states aren't just for beating the game, maybe I just want to see more of the game that I enjoy, more levels and new enemies instead of playing the same first 2 levels ad infinitum

>>9938751
Save states mean you didn’t beat the game….. UNLESS ITS ON PC WHERE A VAST MAJORITY OF GAMES LET YOU SAVE AT ANY POINT. Then actually taking this away from you in Farcry is jolting for a pc fps but it works for that game.

>>9938751
Which game did you want to see the rest of that you needed to bypass the first two levels? You are aware that those earlier levels become easier the more you play. If you are interested in the game, why not the first two levels? Do you read what you wrote and still think it doesn't sound like a lame excuse?

>>9938816
>You are aware that those earlier levels become easier the more you play
No retard, you don't automatically get better at a game just by playing it more.

>Beating the game
Playing the game on real hardware.
>Not beating the game
Infinite lives/invincible cheats, level select codes, emulators ofc, abusing glitches like the 1up trick or Mega Man 3's super jump.

There, I saved you 2 days of arguing. Anyone below me didn't beat the thread.

>>9938910
Hello, sage.
Using an emulator without save states, cheats or glitches is still beating the game. It's the exact same game, so why does it matter whether you are using an emulator or not?

>>9938341
ZSNES emulates so poorly that you probably had to fight the emulation just to play it half the time anyway.

Maybe, but I had fun, and more importantly I didn't let Dante down.

If no one saw you cheat, then you didn't cheat since as pic related says, cheating a term reserved for being caught by others when in the process of securing an advantage to yourself.
Do you guys say "you didn't get the job" when you got it because you're the owner's son and not because you were qualified?

>>9938341
>>9938354
I did. Why would I care what some guy on /vr/ think ?

>>9938975
Chang I know you come from a culture where all practices are acceptable as long as you aren't caught and it means you succeeded in the end, but in the west there's a valuing of honesty and fairness.

>>9938910
1up trick isn't a glitch, it's an oversight.

>>9938987
I'm not Chinese, I'm not even asian, but
>in the west there's a valuing of honesty and fairness.
What does that get you? Everyone at the top who talks about how the world should be fair, did not get there fairly, they did scummy shit to obtain that position and now talk about fairness because they know it holds back others who aren't as ruthless as them from reaching the top. "Fairness" is a way of maintaing social control over people too stupid to do what it takes to get ahead by convincing them that they deserve to be where they are. And in a way it's true, they DO deserve to be there because a smart person wouldn't whine about how the world is unfair, they would use unfair means to do something about it.

So yes, you DID beat the game if you used underhanded means, anyone who says otherwise is a loser irl who follows all the rules and seethes when he watches people who don't get ahead without consequence.

kek. savestate fags confirmed scumbags irl that also didn't beat the game

>>9938987
>china out of nowhere
tf?

>>9938883
Yes you do, this is literally how skills work. Since you are a baby let me explain it in terms for you. You know how in skyrim when you do that cool smithing and you gain a level in that skill, well playing a video game is just like that, crazy right? So after you gain enough levels in your gaming skill you can invest perk points into things like getting good and not cheating.

>>9938341
Yes I did. Cope, seethe, dilate, ywnbaw

>>9939086
Rent free

>>9938883
That's literally how all skill acquisition has ever worked
You definitely have a learning disability

>>9938987
>in the west there's a valuing of honesty and fairness
There definitely is not lol

I play on emulators but I have a personal rule of not using save states or cheats. Even when I play on the Wii VirtualConsole and the Wii makes a save state every time you go back to the main menu, I reset the game every time I'm going to play.

I mean, you can play however you like. But that's how I like to do it.

>>9939141
That's because you are one of GOD's chosen warriors and with his light you may smite down all those who oppose you with your superior intelligence and power.

I use save states when I'm trying to get ultra-rare drops. Fuck you game, I'm not playing by your rules for a 1/65000 chance

>>9939057
Modern Chinese culture actively encourages cheating whenever possible because you have to assume everyone else is cheating and if you aren't, they'll just win when you won't. So it's not out of nowhere, you can see that mindset from Chinese posters online a lot.

>>9939183
Cheating just needs to be accepted as part of the metagame for all competitive games.
He who can outcheat the other cheaters is the true winner. This is literally how it works everywhere else in life.

More important than this... Is it considered cheating pressing A + Start to continue in Super Mario Bros after a game over?

>>9939203
Was it something the devs intentionally put in? Then no it's not a cheat, it's just a secret.

The worst thing about savestaters is that they try to bring everyone down to their level

>it's literally impossible to search a game on YT without the first videos being savestates
>it's only mentionned in a footnote that they're TAS, if at all
>>retards then use those videos to claim look your old video game is shit it can be cleared in 20 mins it's all artificial difficulty blah blah blah

And also
>check a walkthrough on gamefaqs
>suddenly the guy goes
>>>OKAY SO THIS PART IS REALLY EASY ESPECIALLY WITH SAVESTATES!! If you're playing on real hardware then good lu-
>instant ALT+F4
>now my playthrough has been soiled by advice given by a savestater

>>9939208
If it was intended then no, I meant

>>9939209
>it's literally impossible to search a game on YT without the first videos being savestates
Did you ever try just WorldofLongplays and just find the part in the game you're looking for? That's what I always use.

>>9939203
No, that was just the standard at the time. It's just how they adapted buy-in continues from the arcade to console and plenty of games did the same thing. It didn't seem fair at the time to give infinite free continues so they made it look "hidden". Note that if you check manuals they usually mentionned the continue commands and did not call it cheats.

Visible continues only become a norm in the late 80's.

>>9939217
Worldoflongplays are precisely TAS. At least most of their videos are unless the game is REALLY easy

>>9939218
>>9939203
Here is an example with Adventure Island, from the manual. It's not a "secret" or a "cheat", it's an "option".

>>9939232
>>9939218
>>9939203
Rad Racer

Again not a cheat, not even a secret, just in the basic controls section

>>9939183
Speaking from your decades of experience As a Chinese person? Or speaking out of your ass based on propaganda you uncritically swallowed whole? Grow the fuck up.

Don't care. Played through it anyway.

You didn't post this thread, you just made a save state of someone else's meme and reloaded it

>>9938438
worst.larp.evar
We both know the only food you eat is the hot pockets mommy microwaves for you and the only beer you drink is A&W.

however you beat the game, is you beating the game. if you found a way to hack into the ending or use shortcuts it still counts.

>>9938410
Well like most people I cook my own food, microwave food, eat fast food and dine at restaurants. It all depends. Sometimes I want to play a game but dont have time to really get into the mechanics, moreso the game just isn't as engaging as I thought but I still want to see what happens or see if it does get better. I'll save state a game with borderline cheating mechanics if I want to. In those cases I probably never would have taken the time to get pissed off for hours just to beat some game. Though if a game really catches my fancy I will play it as is. Super street fighter 2010 the final fight was one of those games recently. It's got the best mechanics I have as blown away at how fun they can be. They will filter midwits though.

I have too many games in my backlog to get through to not use savestates. You're going to die someday, OP.

>>9939982
I have seen on nes and was blown away*

>>9938416
Not him, but food analogies are God's given right, and so brutally effective that you have to resort to an old /v/ermin meme to mask your lack of actual argument in this discussion. You don't even have an argument to discredit food analogies to begin with and you fucking know this.

>>9938341
You will never have sex,

>>9938341
i generally don't care how other people play a game unless its multiplayer

>>9938816
>play the first two levels over and over again
Ain't nobody got time for that shit. In fact I don't even play games. I watch somebody else play them on youtube. While eating. At 2x speed. Then I click to the end of the video because it's too long. Then I post about how the game was boring on the internet.

I just lost the Game

>>9938341
Unless you beat it on original hardware during the time of its release you never truly beat it. You finished it sure but you weren't there during the cultural zeitgeist therefor you will never EVER in a million years fully experience it as intended. No time travel will not work either as your mindset is still in the era you originally came from.

>>9940547
True, nothing will even encapsulate the soul of pizza parties and all the boys playing some MK or SF no matter how hard you try.

I try not to save scum, but Shantae on GBC really begs for it if you just want to get it done and over with.

>>9938816
When I was a kid, I always wondered what the later levels of Super Mario Bros were like. I finally got to see them as adults, thanks to save states. Will I say I beat the game? No, but at least I got to experience it all.

>>9938341
Just so you know, it's never bothered me what I'm doing or not when playing video games.

>>9938341
Based.

>>9938350
>he's proud to be a gay, dumb, baby

well, thankfully i'm not one of those autistic fucks who makes spreadsheets of all the games they have "beaten"
i only play games for:
1) my personal enjoyment
2) learning about their stories and characters
3) and being able to participate in online discussion about them

and save states are perfect for all of them.
>but what about your sense of PRIDE and ACCOMPLISHMENT
LOL
go hunt achievements on your latest shitbox series shit

You didn't beat the game.

>>9940781
actually I agree with this

You didn't beat the game.

>>9938365
Only obese retards call themselves gaymers anyway.

>>9940793
GameFaqs was never about using guides or whatever, it was about shitting up the forums and making guides that blatantly lie.

>>9938653
hey, vidya is srs business

>>9940801
uhhh, all the gamers on twitch are cute girls

I got so good at playing with the lag of emulation on a flat screen that when I got a CRT and a NES again i couldn't beat Contra without taking a hit on real hardware but could do it on emulators

>>9940969
Emulation is more responsive than playing on real hardware+CRT these days, though.

>>9940972
This was back in 2014ish when I bought my house and had room for a CRT setup. Went from emulator to real hardware

>>9940781
Shigeru himself said this was an unintended exploit that somehow made it through testing

>>9940973
Which emulator can make a difference. Experiments a decade ago showed that ZSNES turned out to have less lag than other emulators due to using some ancient drawing API.

>>9940989
How do you add warp zones accidentally? Was it like a debugging thing or what?

>>9940995
Its funny you say that, just messed around with ZSNES on my Win98 machine with a CRT and noticed it felt about as fast as real hardware

>>9941009
Emulators themselves rarely add any significant amount of input lag.

>>9940781
lookin' good!

>>9939232
Actually no, that's a cheat. The American manual just tells you about it, that's all. The original Japanese manual does not have this page.

>>9938341
You're a faggot

>>9941096
> The original Japanese manual does not have this page.

Lies. Arino reads the entire part of the manual about continuing. And again it doesn't say anything about it being a cheat or even a secret.

>>9938359
you mean classic sonic with save per stage function like later releases do?? or using save states like, without going far, sega mega drive ultimate collection for the ps3 allows?? (thats how i beat welcome to the fucking machibe AND the final boss in ecco 1)

>>9939951
>Because I can't do it nobody can!
Ah, my favourite cope. Anon learned an actually useful skill while you wasted your precious free time beating a J-RPG without save states.

>>9938341
When I was a kid, if I couldn't save and had to stop playing then I'd pause the game and turn off the TV until I could come back to it later. I would literally leave a system on for days at a time in some cases. So today, I use savestates in the same way. I never use them to undo or repeat anything, only to suspend a game that has no save function or which has save points too few and far between, just like leaving the system on pause all day as a kid.

>>9938341
Sick of posts like this? Add this to your 4chanX Filter! :D

>/You didn't beat the game/i

>>9938341
True. Though I'm not gonna properly play a piece of shit like Xenogears without them. At least people care to play games even if it's not a legitimate "win". Nowadays no one plays games and instead pull bullshit out of their asses from whatever streamer they watched.

But PC lets you save anytime, anywhere, does that mean you didnt beat the game too? Not my fault japs are shit programmers and cant program a proper save feature

>>9941139
You don't have to defend yourself here.
OP is a faggot and he knows it. Just ignore it

>>9941152
>using 4chanX

I don't care about grinding extra lives and other tedious shit like that so I use savestates before entering a level. I don't use them during the level though, that's crossing the line.

>>9938361
>artificially
Yikes. There's that zoomer term again

>>9938410

I save scum specifically so I don't count as a gamer as that's the worst subculture to date

>>9939986
>playing games just to check them off a list
You don't even enjoy video games, you just want to impress your discord friends with your large list of games "beaten".

>>9941160
It's not cheating if it's a feature added deliberately by the devs and not called a cheat. It's why there's no such thing as a hard PC game because you can always undo your mistakes.

>>9941347
I think being a 4chan user is worse.

>>9941328
god this guy was fucking retarded

>>9938341
When I use a save state I usually say I finished the game not beat it. Very few that I use them on feel like they are worth going through again to beat properly.

>>9941364
This is my first time on here, one of my supermodel girlfriends showed me this and I had her type my comment for me

>>9938341
I had fun and a lot of happy memories. I don't care about what you think OP.

I enjoy the hell out of this, but I'll probably never be able to beat it without saving a few times per level

>>9941479
It was designed for pistol starts on every single map, get good.

Only nintendoniggers lives with this "you didn't" beat the game cope over saver and tries to lie and push this shit into everything else.
Which is no surprise at all since they are the subhumans of videogames alongside PVM fags.

>>9938341

>>9939359
Uh no it's based on the fact that they'll readily admit to it if you ask them in Mandarin. They hide everything behind the fact that they know most of the world doesn't speak Mandarin.

>>9942081
>nintendoniggers
Fuck off back to /v/eddit with your console war shit.

>>9938341
Why? Does it have a softlock on Zsnes or something? Teach you to keep fucking with that obsolete piece of shit, Lol!

The truth is, a lot of people are just unable to get good. Even if they play video games all day long, their reflexes never get better, they take forever to learn the simplest pattern and make the same mistake again and again, and they don't have the brain power to think of different strategies and to use the tools the games give at their disposal better.

Just look at your average streamer. Or Arino.

For these people "get good" doesn't apply, because they're unable to, so savestates allow them to cope. They luck out through a level once, use a savestate to capitaliaze on that lucky break, and tell themselves
>I learnt this level so why should I do again!!
Then they start using more savestates and it's
>I would have done the same thing without savestate anyway it would have just taken more time!
which is when the vicious circle kicks in, the more savestates and the more the cope, the less they learn. At this point the cope is at its maximum and they start pouting memes
>artificial difficulty
>muh rentals
>it's bullshit on purpose to sell strategy guides

Emulation is a blessing, but savestates is the worst curse that struck old games. They should have been left as a debugging feature solely for devs and romhackers.

Keep savestating, keep on coping, forever plebs.

nigger

>>9938341
The thread that broke /vr/

>>9939209
Agreed.
I don't care if someone uses save states when they play a game. It's your free time, spend it how you want.
But if you're going to upload a video about a game, at least have the basic decency to play through it without blatantly cheating. If the point of the video is that you beat the game with cheats, label it thusly and clearly.
And for fucks sake, stop putting the last boss or ending screen of a game in the thumbnail. ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A TWIST ENDING. FUCK YOU. I've had like 3 endings of games spoiled for me like that. Usually long RPGs too.

>>9943562
simple solution to this, maybe PLAY some games instead of watching someone else. I would rather talk to a savestatefag over these people who literally don't even play the game but just watch others play it.

>>9943007
Console wars my ass
You retards started this shit Because of AVGN and El Loco Bandito that Double Nigger.
You are the ones copying what a nigger youtuber said about games and uses it as a fucking gospel.


Now fuck back to /r/cinemassacre and mike's discord

>>9938342
>>9938352
Using a save state to go eat dinner is bad.
Pausing the game and leaving the system on while you eat dinner is okay.

Explain.

>>9943605
Sometimes you play games but get stuck on a boss for so long you want a little advice; but don't want it said advice from cheaters because TASes often do things that are practically impossible for an actual player so it's no help at all (a good example would be Adventure Island, want to know a strategy to perform the jumps to avoid enemies in world 8-2 and 8-3 ? Well fuck you not gonna happen because TASes bring in weapons from previous levels which is only possible if you managed not to die for a long time before getting there); that and getting your advice from a cheater is the same thing as learning a cheat. If I wanted to cheat I'd have done so myself, I don't need a substitute

>>9943610
nah, shit's been happening WAY longer than those 2 faggots, you wouldn't know about that though newfag

I use save states to practice difficult sections more efficiently, so that I can beat it legitimately later. Because fuck you, I am NOT playing through the final 3 stages of Ninja Gaiden every single time I lose to the final boss to get just 1 (one!) more shot at fighting him and getting that practice in.

>>9943630
>Lying this hard

>>9943642
Cope.

>>9941602
it actually wasn't, the brothers themselves made some attempts to cater to the pistol start crowd, but they played and tested it continuous

>>9938350
I grew up with these and have better things to do then worry about being a purist so don't have guilt.

>>9940050
Not him, but at the bare minimum, it demonstrates a dearth of mentally catalogued experiences and the ability to connect them conceptually to each other. It's dumb and common. If a literal caveman were capable of of making analogies, that's the type he would consistently use.
>this game make Grug feel good like when Grug eat mammoth bone

>>9938341
Savestates are only acceptable as a substitute for savepoints/passwords built into the game. I think it's also respectable to use them as training wheels, adding more saves to practice and git gud, especially when it comes to a difficult part where you don't want to repetitively fight your way there. That said, even using them honorably means you didn't really win, you still have to go back and play fair & square to make it official. Savescumming is of course inexcusable faggotry.

When I took on Battletoads, I started out savestating at most every checkpoint until I got the hang of it, then savestated at the beginning of each level, then finally 1cc'd the whole game fairly. I think what I did is fair, since it was just a means of practicing before doing it for real, and still kept it within reasonable limits.

>>9943562
This. It's why I respect Joel from Vinesauce's Hardcore Friday streams on some level because his chat always tells him "Joel just use save states" and he says "I don't think you understand how Hardcore Friday works". No matter how bullshit the game is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4c-H0Z3M3Y

>>9941328
>imagine being at computers

>>9944160
>It's dumb and common
The point of analogy is to simplify a technical concept such that a layman can understand it. To that end, food, something everyone should understand, makes the perfect subject for it.
If your aim with analogy is not to make it as "dumb and common" as possible, you should not be making an analogy in the first place and should be using some other rhetorical device. Analogies are not for showing off. They are quite literally intended to dumb things down so that (you) can understand. That's why food is the most apposite subject for them.

>>9944807
>The point of analogy is to simplify a technical concept
No it isn't. It very rarely is. In the case that it is, you might be right, but you just pulled that 'definition' out of your ass.

>>9944965
That is the definition of an analogy, if you are too retarded to understand that then I am sorry but how the fuck else can you use an analogy

>>9945176
The person who made the food analogy to begin with wasn't referring to any "technical concept." I challenge you to point to a single on in the entirety of the /vr/ archives. You're just coping with nonsense.
>but how the fuck else can you use an analogy
You are a fucking retard, holy shit.

>>9938438
you get so much fulfillment that you brag about it to anonymous strangers by way of starting inane arguments on a chinese cartoon imageboard

>>9945269
The entire point is to say the more effort you put into something the better you will feel about it. Are you so autistic you can't see that?
Using savestates is taking away some of that soul and every single arguement against them boils down to "I'm a bitch baby".

To me a save state isn't something that is used to properly beat a game, but something that's used to help get better at it. You can try a state as many times as you need without running out of continues and having to start the entire game over, for example. Maybe that's inauthentic, but limited continues has always been a nuisance IMO.

>>9945286
>You can try a state
You can try a stage*

>>9945284
I understand the analogy, I accept it, and I wasn't the one who said
>food analogy
But people who don't understand that food analogies are the equivalent of listing one of your interests as 'food' on a dating profile are fucking retards. That's an analogy, and it isn't a fucking "technical concept."

>>9939203
No. This was just how most of us played. Though we all knew of somebody that supposedly beat the game without using it.

>>9941139
Yep, I do the same. I only beat games for my own personal satisfaction and this is one of my self-imposed rules about Save States too.

>>9943639
That part of Ninja Gaiden NES isn't as bad as people make it out to be. If I remember correctly, it just gives you a way of getting Spin Slash again to one shot the boss. Plus, you don't have to redo the boss stages if I'm remembering right.

>>9944160
>Simplicity means bad
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. If you can't explain it so simply that even a six year old could get it, then you don't understand it yourself.

>>9945332
see >>9945298

>>9945298
You are conflating an analogy with a comparison, while similar they are different.
All this talk still doesn't change the fact savestaters are the worst part of the emulation scene.

>>9945521
>1. a comparison between one thing and another, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification
Kill yourself, you stupid fucking faggot.

The more it makes others faggots seethe, the more valid it is.

No you don't need write reddit soliloquy about how I've robbed myself from really beating the game.

>>9945563
idk mang... OP wrote one sentence while savestaters wrote over 160 replies worth of seethe. So by that logic OP's viewpoint is more valid than yours.

>>9945563
I think there's varying degrees
it's one thing to use savestates to bypass the potentially frustrating mechanic of calling your dad to save and using the hospital to heal your party members in earthbound, another to savestate individual segments of levels in super mario world

>>9938352
>a fake gamer
Trying to care about this is like wanting to go to hell.

>>9938352
What about speedrunners who use save states to glean as much info on a game as possible before endlessly grinding for a real run? The skill gap between beating a game and speedrunning it is enormous.

>>9945582
Streamers can’t waste hours on 1 stage, plus iRys is cute so she’s allowed to do that

>>9945545
An analogy is a lot more than that my man, if you paid attention in school you might understand this, there's like 40 different types of analogy but for the purposes of posting on a interdimentional rice farming board it's going to be literary or logical and a simple comparison does not fit into those.
This is basic stuff man.

>>9945590
Using savestates and other hacks for technical reasons is literally why they exist, most cheats in old games were just dev tools that they left in as easter eggs.

>>9945572
>OP wrote one sentence while savestaters wrote over 160 replies worth of seethe
Followed by an equal amount of replies of retards seething about how strangers use save states.

>>9945609
Explain how, with specific examples. And if you're that "technical concept" nigger, pre-emptive kill yourself with an exit bag.

>>9945572
>OP made a thread and people responded to it
whoa...

>>9945652
A logical analogy is your most basic form and can be described as X is to Y and A is to B it is used to explain relations between things. It's a very specific type of comparison. Literary Analogies are the more complex ones that involve breaking down concepts and requires specific use of language. That's the best way I can explain it in a Vietnamese Fly Fishing Forum.

>>9942092
You've never spoken a single syllable of Mandarin in your pathetic life, you miserable faggot

>>9945697
Ok so now answer these questions:
>Is the original 'food analogy' itt an actual analogy?
>Do analogies necessarily need to be "techinical concepts?"
>Is my dating profile example an analogy?
Think carefully, now.

>>9945697
>>9945710
Also source your claims for this definition. You can't just say vague shit like "you should've learned this in school."

>>9945710
>>9945716
Lmao go fuck yourself, discern for yourself instead of asking me, I am telling you your definitions are wrong based of knowledge I learned in school. I'm not going to grade your homework you faggot.

>>9945703
No one cares, Chang.

>>9945731
I accept your concession, you stupid sack of shit.

>>9945746
Note: I had to unfilter "lmao" because I never considered that a grown fucking man would ever type that.

>>9941105
>calls me out for lying
>goes into the episode to get that screenshot
>ignores the fucking part where the narrator clearly says he checks a GUIDE, not the manual
Retard.

No, the Japanese manual does not mention the bee at all. I have it.

All I know is I abused save states in Donkey Kong Country when I played it last year, and didn't really get much out of the game. This year, I played through it normally, and everything clicked with me; I enjoyed it more than I ever had before. The game is actually designed around its weird, archaic save system that really only exists to hide how short it is, in that every collectible and secret, from the bananas to the bonus rooms, rewards you with more lives. If you use save states and remove the risk in getting a game over that sends you back to your last in-game save point, there's no longer any reason to engage with the game's items, not by following trails of bananas, rushing to grab balloons, seeking all the KONG letters, or finding and completing bonus rooms/animal buddy tokens. It completely nullifies the game's risk/reward system and takes a lot of the fun out of playing it. You might as well just watch a playthrough on Youtube at that point.

I'm sure there are plenty of games where an outdated save mechanic doesn't really add anything to the experience, but there are some where you really do just need to meet the game on its own terms to get the most out of it.

>>9945758
In DKC it's so piss easy to grind lives by just start-selecting your way out of an already beaten level you're never actually in danger of getting a game over.

>>9945764
There's also the DYDDY game over trick.
Which I only found out the other week ago.

>>9945609
>interdimentional rice farming board
It's 'forum', you stupid fucking redditor transplant. Lurk for two years. Also pick a country and stick to it.

>>9945521
>savestaters are the worst part of the emulation scene
Nah, you'll find that's byuu and his giant network of furfag friends who influence young spergs into trooning out and buying loads of old computer shit because its the cool thing to do now

>>9945775
Uhh, uhh, you can't use the word "forum" anymore, uhh, it's an, uhhh, "image" "board", uhhh, uhhh

>>9945758
ya dkc and crash have a weird balance where if you're good you're get a ton of lives. but then they'll bleed you for everything when you get to one of the harder levels. It's pretty satisfying to get to candy's save point in a new zone.

You didn't beat the game.

>>9938341
I have refused to beat games using this. All retro games are perfectly beatable through trial and error. People just hate to have to repeat sections over and over until they get good.

>>9945590
>What about speedrunners who use save states to glean as much info on a game as possible before endlessly grinding for a real run?

Still cheating. Part of getting good involves discipline and endurance. By taking that away you take a shortcut that allows you to learn things you may not otherwise have learnt: for instance if you use savestates during a bossfight to learn all the possible patterns and methods of attacks, you may learn a faster or safer method than you would have without savestates. If you were training without savestates you would just take the method you know works even if it's not necesarilly the fastest, because you wouldn't necesarilly take the risk and re-do entire sections of the game when you already have a method that works.

This is why speedruns and 1CCs that "scout" with savestates are completely illegitimate, EVEN if they beat the game without savestates afterwards, their entire learning of the game was based on a playing method using savestates that allow them to learn more than they may have otherwise.

Even though they all cope and lie to themselves about it "being the same", they're cheaters at heart.

>>9944216
>Savestates are only acceptable as a substitute for savepoints/passwords built into the game

What people don't realize when they do this is that

>savestate may save more things than the in-game save/password system
>savestate may always give you the same RNG, depending on the game or when the savestate is made

For instance in some games RNG is determined by a table created at the start of the game, so if you use savestate you'll always get the same one but with passwords you'd get a different one every time.

>>9945836
What the hell

>>9940615
lol

>>9945886
This is beyond retarded. Are you saying that, if I use save states to practice a difficult section of a game, it is now impossible for me to ever beat that game legitimately in this lifetime? Does this apply to guides as well?

>>9946205
>if I use save states to practice a difficult section of a game, it is now impossible for me to ever beat that game legitimately in this lifetime?

I don't know about "lifetime" but the knowledge and muscle memory stays in there for a long time. 20 years after playing some NES games, I still remembered level design, moves, enemy placement and patterns, everything. Now if I had cheated to acquire all that then it can't be undone, it will forever have been acquired through cheating.
"Scouting" with savestates, then starting a new game from scratch without savestates doesn't erase the knowledge acquired with savestates, quite the contrary in fact (the entire point of people who do that is to take a shortcut). It doesn't matter how many times you restart, you will forever have
>Beaten the game*
>*with savestates

>Does this apply to guides as well?

Guides aren't comparable because they don't change the rules of a game. They don't directly impact the game system itself. What's comparable to savestates are cheats that give you extra levels, skip levels, give you items, gameshark stuff etc

>>9946205
Just ignore that larping homo, he must be great fun at parties too.

>>9938341
oh but I did.

>>9938341
I simply don't care, plus OP is a fag.

>>9946205
>>9946228
I would say that using a guide is a much bigger cheat than savestates in terms of legitimately beating the game. Savestates may "change the rules" by letting you skip a game over screen and start a level or sequence over with no consequence, but you still have to figure out the solutions and proper execution yourself, and you can play the game without savestates whenever to prove you can execute the game from beginning to end. A guide does all the thinking for you in telling you exactly what to do and when. Yes, in a more skill-based game you may still have to execute it all properly, but figuring it out is part of the game as well and guides completely rob you of that.

Once you've used a guide there's no going back. Much like a movie spoiler robs you of the sensation of mystery in watching a movie for the first time, you will never experience playing that game for the first time and figuring everything out for yourself. The solutions have been planted in your brain and even if you wait decades to play the game again they'll be sitting in the back of your mind just waiting to be sparked through some reminder and you can never, ever claim the achievement of beating the game as your own because you never figured anything out on your own.

>>9945886
>>9946228

>>9946249
Guides kill the knowledge part of a game and savestates kill the skill part of a game. Pretty much every single game requires these 2 but in different levels.
Both are shit and should be treated equally, some games a guide will be next to useless, like who the fuck reads a guide on Castlevania. But some games savestates will be (relatively) useless, like Zelda where most of what you need to do is knowledge based.

>>9946249
>>9946254
I read the Castlevania 2 issue of Nintendo Power when I was a kid. I also saw a map for Metroid once. Is it now impossible for me to ever beat these games legitimately in this lifetime?
Guides are just knowledge. Arming yourself with knowledge is not the same thing as cheating with cheat codes or a game genie. I can understand not wanting to spoil things for yourself, however.

>>9946270
Generally Nintendo Power guides were less of a guide and more of a primer which doesn't do as bad as reading a Brady guide or similar.
I won't say you won't be able to beat the game legitimately with this knowledge but it does absolutely spoil the experience, but as far as Nintendo Power goes it's about on par with asking a friend for some help.

>>9946254
>Guides kill the knowledge part of a game and savestates kill the skill part of a game.
I don't agree with savestates killing the skill part of a game. You still have to perform the execution and beat each section of the game. The only thing you're doing is avoiding having to start the whole game over again, so it's more like saving time than anything else. You can also choose to beat the game later with no savestates and thus prove your ability to execute the entire game in one go. But once you look at a guide and learn various tips and tricks you've permanently soiled your ability to claim you beat the game on your own.

>like who the fuck reads a guide on Castlevania
People use guides to figure out the best places to stand during a boss fight, which items to use when, locations of hidden items (wall chicken, which candles to break, etc)... Yes, you still have to perform the execution but if you're not figuring out HOW to do it for yourself that's a hollow victory.

>>9946270
>I read the Castlevania 2 issue of Nintendo Power when I was a kid. I also saw a map for Metroid once. Is it now impossible for me to ever beat these games legitimately in this lifetime?
Yes.

>Guides are just knowledge. Arming yourself with knowledge is not the same thing as cheating with cheat codes or a game genie.
I disagree. For example, you brought up Metroid: A game where half the challenge is figuring out where to go and how to get there. You can't look up a map for a maze and then say you beat the maze legitimately, and once you've looked at a map that information is in your brain forever even if you think you "forgot" it. You can never say you legitimately beat Metroid if you didn't have to actually figure out where to go for yourself and find its many secrets for yourself. For instance, if you look at a map to find out how to enter Ridley's Hideout then you can never say you beat the game legitimately because figuring that out is part of beating the game.

>>9945918
That just confirms passwords are retarded. Also a lot games that use passwords was because they didn't want to stick a battery in the overseas versions, when the Japanese version had one for saving progress

>>9946443
FDS games had save files because they were floppy disks with writable space. They didn't even have to use battery backups.

>>9945836
shes kinda sexy
everyone always dunks on this character design but I think I would if we hit it off

>>9946314
>I don't agree with savestates killing the skill part of a game. You still have to perform the execution and beat each section of the game.
Brute forcing your way through each section of a game with save states isn't "performing the execution" what the fuck are you on about retard

>>9938341
L
>>9946243
W

>>9946486
>play until you game over, then play the whole game again up to that point and try to get past it, progress further after sufficient practice allows you to succeed
>play until you game over, then reload the current section and try to get past it, progress further after sufficient practice allows you to succeed
What is the difference aside from time spent playing through earlier parts you already beat?
How does practicing more efficiently devalue your ability to beat the game?
Why does it devalue when you eventually play the whole thing from beginning to end with no savestates?
Savestates or not, you have to repeatedly play the section you keep dying at until you're able to get through it. Without savestates there's just a longer gap of time between practice sessions.

>>9946468
Same thing. It's a method to save progress you can come back to instead of having to jot down a string of numbers and letters with a RNG bullshit that tries to approximate what your progress is. Point being passwords weren't always part of the original design, sometimes it was just cost cutting bullshit. Same thing with increasing difficulty for overseas versions to prevent lost sales from rentals.

>>9938457
Sheeeeeesh you’ve lost the plot homie and you didn’t beat the game.

>>9938689
Beating it is the most fun. Then you do it again. Duh that’s how u play games

>>9938341
this is objectively true.

>>9945605
They can do it if they're crazy enough, see >>9944723
I'm watching that video and I would've fucking gone mad playing that game, it's like the definition of "how was I supposed to know that would happen?!" bullshit.

If you're so concerned about what other losers on the internet like yourself think of you for using savestates in a videogame, you have bigger problems in life than whether or not you really beat a game.

>>9946582
It's an intentional kusoge, anon. Getting the player frustrated until they quit or feel determined to beat the game purely out of spite is the whole point.

>>9946506
>Play fire emblem path of radiance
>Ike can survive a two hits from the black knight but not if he procs luna or crits, Ike can killing the black knight on either player phase or enemy phase if he procs aether or crits.
>Can't waste any more time cause it's the last turn
>Attack no Aether proc, Black knight procs luna
>boot save state
>move Mist heal Ike try again
>No Aether proc, Black knight doesnt luna
>Enemy phase neither crit or proc skill
>boot save state
>Have Ike use an elixer
>Try again
>boot save
>Move Mist a different direction use a different staff
>keep trying until you get the rng you want because every action you take changes the next ones RNG


>Play Ninja Gaiden 1 for the first time
>2-2
>save state before the each cross throwing guy
>keep running and jumping slashing into them until you finally get past one from sheer dumb luck instead of properly learning to time your jump.

Definitely can say you "beat" these games playing like this right?

>>9946605
Nta but Fire Emblem "boss fights" are inherently unfair bullshit. Sometimes you just get fucked, that's part of the game because....I don't know, the devs are assholes?

>>9945348
>equivalent
Says who, a retard like you? Do you understand the purpose of an analogy? Of course it isn't a fucking technical concept, it's a tool that offers perspective.
See >>9940050

>>9946605
I was never talking about savestates after every enemy or to exploit RNG for re-rolls. I don't think anyone was. The terms being used are "level" and "section" not "enemy" and "roll." I 100% agree that using savestates to savescum dice rolls and save after every successful jump is absolutely cheating, but savestates at the beginning of a level to prevent having to start all over if you game over are a completely different thing.

>>9938341
Oooooohhh...
I beat a baby nigger on the head,
Beat that nigger good n' dead,
Beat that nigger inch o' its life,
Beat that nigger like a battered wife,
Beat that nigger with so much soul,
Beat that nigger and threw 'em in a hole,
Beat that bigger, beat 'em dead,
Beat that nigger upside its head
*country guitar solo*
Deederr neer neeeeeer.... dun.

>>9946510
It's not "cost cutting" for those games any more than it is for any other games that used passwords. Batteries were expensive, very very few games actually used them. Disk games could just save straight to the disk, so there was zero point in using passwords for those. It's the same reason password save systems are so rare nowadays.

>>9946712
Sorry, when I read "savestates" I immediately think using them to brute force your way through a game like in my examples or as a do-over button like rewinds both of which I'd say are cheating.

Savestates to create "reasonable" checkpoints like if you played all the way through through Ninja Gaiden 1 and made a Save state at the final boss to not have to go back to 6-1 if you game over. Sure whatever yeah you beat the game.
Save stating in between each of the bosses form though is a bit more cheating in my opinion.

>>9946712
Isn't that how much people use save states, for when the game has no actual checkpoint system for bosses?
That and trying for sheer bullshit rng on item drops in RPGs

>>9946759
for levels I meant, not bosses.

>>9946742
The fact that you have to go back to 6-1 if you die against one of the final bosses is a considerable part of the reason people think of Ninja Gaiden 1 as a particularly impressive game to have beaten. If you say you beat it and conveniently leave out the fact that you cheated past the bit that tends to filter people the most, others are going to think you did something considerably more challenging than you actually did.

>>9946817
What if you save state to practice attack patterns, mainly for the bosses 2nd form, the only real "difficult" part of that fight, and once you're comfortable you run through it normally. Is it still cheating to gain the experience to beat the boss that way?

>>9946817
It's a game, nobody cares.
Besides, how would that work for regional differences in games? The jap versions are usually easier, that does not count? Or are only japs allowed to play those?

People are really defining their own standard for 'beating a game' which is fine, but others can also ignore your standard just as easily and that is also fine.

>>9946829
Yes. That boss isn't even hard, he's just able to deal a lot of damage fast and it can be a bit tricky to get the hang of how he moves. The only reason even he has the brick wall reputation he does is because he's hard to practice on due to the "go back 3 levels if you die" system.

I usually beat him damageless and still occasionally die on the actual final boss.

>>9946837
>Yes.
So if someone sits next to you and runs through all of ninja gaiden without save states. But later tells you he got good at it by practicing with save states he can never in his life say he "beat them game"
Do you not see how fucking absolutely retarded that sounds

>>9946831
If you're claiming you "beat the game" and then leave out the fact that you didn't actually do what people assume is meant by "beating the game", you're obviously pretending to have done something other than what you did.

>>9946847
There's nothing remotely impressive about beating Ninja Gaiden if you know in advance how to beat Ninja Gaiden. The game is considered hard because it can kill you pretty easily if you don't know how to handle certain spots. Especially Jaquio, who's incredibly easy to beat as long as you know how, but who will probably kill you many times as you try to figure the battle out.

>>9946850
Nta but that was his point, only autists give a shit about this. That's why he said "who cares, it's just a game"

>>9946847
If someone loads a save state for you at the start of the Jaquio fight, shows you how to beat him effortlessly, then reloads the save state and tosses you the controller to let you beat him the same way, did you REALLY "beat one of the most notoriously difficulty NES bosses on your first try, barely taking damage at all"?

>>9946868
People that think it's "just a game who cares" don't really go around obsessing about how they totally seriously DID beat the game and didn't ACTUALLY cheat, though.

>>9946876
99% of the time these threads are by people who don't cheat saying it doesn't count, not people who do cheat saying that it does. That sounds like the people who don't use savestates are far more obsessed.

For what it's worth, I cheat all the time. And yes I do consider it still beating the game because I see no point in being bound by some arbitrary rules for the sake of "proving myself" to everyone else when the goal is ultimately to win. What do I get out of it by playing by your rules, an ethical win? I derive my satisfaction from winning, not how I won.

>>9938410
If you aren't growing your own veg and livestock, hunting, trapping and fishing your own protein then your not really cooking. Going to the super market is literally save stating life

>>9946870
How do you think speedrunners or people who have done no damage runs got good at the game anon?

>>9946906
If people that cheat know they cheated and don't care, why do threads like these always make them so butthurt and defensive?

>>9946940
By having no life and/or hormonal replacement

>>9946940
I have a WR speedrun (only contestant lol) and did some 1CCs and some 1LC in easier games. Never used savetates.

Either way what you're doing is basically being caught cheating and going like
>b-b-b-b-ut this other guy did it too (probably) !!

>>9946967
>Either way what you're doing is basically being caught cheating and going like
>b-b-b-b-ut this other guy did it too (probably) !!
PRACTICING in a game is cheating? LOL holy shit you fucking niggers are so retarded. I bet you're the kinda faggot who calls the opponent a cheater when you get bodied in a fighting game.

>>9946943
Because most people refuse to be honest with themselves.

>>9946967
>I have a WR speedrun (only contestant lol)
Sums up the hobby alright.

>>9946610
Even if you lose a character against the boss, you don't lose the game. You just lose one character.
You will almost always have more characters than slots to use them, so the occasional sacrifice is well within your means.
The point of character death is to present an interesting and difficult choice to the player. Making Machiavellian sacrifices makes the game much easier and faster. But it feels bad to let the characters die for your benefit.
When you restart the game at the end of a stage to save a character, you become woven into the story of the game. You aren't just an impartial tactician in the sky any more. You're fighting to save these characters just as much as they are.
With save states, this effect is nullified. Keeping characters alive is trivial, and your investment in the story becomes extremely shallow.

Additionally, while luck is a big part of Fire Emblem, there are few stages where you need to be lucky to win. Most of time careful planning and forethought are sufficient to keep your entire team completely safe.
I did at one point have Artur die to a crit from a boss with a 0% crit chance though (1/10000 chance), so I understand your frustration.

>>9947216
That's why I said bosses and not the game in general. Especially when bosses are 1v1

>>9947216
>When you restart the game at the end of a stage to save a character, you become woven into the story of the game. You aren't just an impartial tactician in the sky any more. You're fighting to save these characters just as much as they are.
And Kaga left IS because he literally could not understand this mindset.

>>9946506
In most cases people underestimate their mastery of early stages.
Beating a stage without dying once is not the same as being able to beat it without dying consistently.
In a good game of this type, early stages will have a lot of depth for you to slowly appreciate across multiple playthroughs, and will be designed in such a way that learning how to overcome them provides you with the tools to overcome later stages.
There are exceptions, but in general a desire to skip past the early stages usually comes less from a perspective of truly believing that you have learned all that there is to be learned from those stages, and is instead more commonly motivated by a desire to brute force later stages by sheer force of attempts.

>tldr
If a game is good enough to be worth playing, it should be good enough to be worth playing in order, without jumping around using outside tools.

>>9947238
It's mostly motivated by just "getting the game over with" so you can post on twitter that you beat it and then move on to the next one. Zoomies don't do things for enjoyment any more.

>>9938341
Holy fuck an ActRaiser thread.
But why would You needs save states? The game was extremely easy.

>>9947292
zoom zoom, zoomer!

>>9938341
I had fun and that's what matters :)

>>9943619
>Wire walking with safety equipment
>Wire walking with no safety equipment
One is for practice and one is for performance, with the performances being far more satisfying to do and to watch. Not to say practice doesn't have its place, just that there is a balance. If you're never performing then you'll always be reliant on the safety equipment.

>>9947429
You didn't even read the post you replied to.

>>9946314
If arming yourself with information is cheating, (and apparently makes it impossible to ever beat the game legitimately in that lifetime if you do it even once) does this apply to competitive multiplayer games as well? If I look up guides and watch youtube videos to get better at SSF2T, is that cheating? If I use a training mode to get better at combos etc., is that cheating? Or am I only allowed to use arcade mode or versus mode to practice, since the game didn't originally have a training mode? If I gain any of my experience through these "illegitimate" means, does that make it impossible for me to ever truly win a match of SSF2T? If (You) lose a match in a competitive multiplayer game, do you declare that you are the true winner by default if your opponent(s) ever "cheated" by researching the game?
>>9946967
Speedrunning. Let's say a game has a difficult-to-perform skip. It saves hours of time and is essential for speedruns, but requires frame-perfect timing. It is also 3 whole minutes away from the nearest checkpoint. Do you honestly fucking believe that speedrunners are going to do that 3-minute trip for every single attempt at practicing that skip, instead of using a save state to practice it more efficiently? And do you honestly believe that them practicing in this way is cheating? So, in your eyes, 99.999% of all world-record speedruns are illegitimate? But not your one alleged no-contestant world record, of course; conveniently, that's one of the very few world records that actually counts!
By the way, the idea that a person can do something to /permanently/ soil their ability to beat a game legitimately ever in their lifetime is beyond absurd. I'd ordinarily assume that you're just trolling, but I actually knew a guy IRL who believes this same sort of ridiculous horseshit. Is your name Trevor M, by any chance?

>>9938341
who the duck still bothers with manual savestates mid-session instead of having rewind (high-granularity savestates) bound to the left trigger?

i also git commit after each session

played through the first Castlevania in one go

entertainment is not scarce so i don't need to waste my time repeating the same content

>>9948305
This is the worst post in this thread and possibly this whole board.

>>9948438
i play every game as if it's Braid, problem?

>>9948305
At this point you might as well watch long plays.

>>9948295
>Do you honestly fucking believe that speedrunners are going to do that 3-minute trip for every single attempt at practicing that skip, instead of using a save state to practice it more efficiently?

They should and that's what I did


>So, in your eyes, 99.999% of all world-record speedruns are illegitimate?

Here is again the same argument
>everyone does it so it's okay!

If everyone did it this wouldn't be such a divisive opinion, and plenty of agree ITT agree with me. If everyone did it, this thread wouldn't even exist. "Everyone else does it so it's okay" is typical cheater cope, not just for video games.

>>9948442
Yeah because I hate Braid, soulless indietrash

>>9948454
Are you the same homo who boasted here about a WR speedrun record despite being the only contestant?
Overall the people with the biggest amount of cope and autism are the faggots that insist zero savestates + no peeking at someone else beating it for tips is the only possible way to go.

My goal is not to defend this behavior, but to call out peak delusional ideas from spergs like you.

>>9938341
don't give a shit

>>9948449
I don't get why any of these fucks "play" games instead of watching longplays, really. They clearly consider the actual gameplay part to be an annoyance they need assistance to make a painless as possible.

>>9948472
Do you have anything better to say than
>actually everyone does it and if you disagree you're delusional and homo and a sperg
?

>>9948515
Nope, as all arguments are already provided here and nobody will change their mind anyway. Kinda like trying to convince a religious person that god doesn't exist (or vice versa)

>>9948454
Answer my question about multiplayer

>>9941120
Because re-releases made by people whose sole contribution to the game was putting it in an emulator (lol) 20-30 years after the fact doesn't suddenly legitimize savestates.

Also it's not like old games didn't have cheat codes, the only difference is that nowadays they call them """features""" precisely because, well, look at this thread, no dev or publisher wants to be harrassed on all their social media by all the butthurt people going
>waaaaaa how dare you call me a cheater, the way *I* do it isn't *actually* cheating plus your game is full of artificial difficulty and old bad design plus everyone does plus that other re-release has savestates and they're not called cheats there etc etc

>>9947620
How did I respond so succinctly if I hadn't? You don't need safety equipment to go eat dinner. Just hit pause lol

>>9948295
>If I look up guides and watch youtube videos to get better at SSF2T, is that cheating? If I use a training mode to get better at combos etc., is that cheating?
No, this is retarded and disingenuous.

>>9948623
Why would you expect him to answer a question you posed to me? You're talking to two different people. I answered just now here: >>9948802

>>9938345
Obviously OP downloaded an emulator and rom for the sole and exclusive purpose of making the image for his gatekeeping thread and deleted them immediately after.

Still a fag tho

>actually savestates are just like using a guide!
>or like getting advice from someone else!
>or like multiplayer!
>or like a friend showing me what to do!
>if I do it without savestates afterwards it's like I never savestated I swear!

Such desperation

>>9948891
>if I do it without savestates afterwards it's like I never savestated I swear!
Imagine thinking someone who can run through the game 10x better than you ever could because they practiced with save states "didn't beat the game" lmfao. You fucking retards unironically make zoomers sound normal.

>using save state for practice and/or getting tips from someone else on how to beat a boss results in never being able to beat a game

You guys are too autistic for your own good, sounds like something from that one kid that nobody hung out with and spent all his free time just on videogames, all alone by himself.

>>9948956
that kid never beat the games either

>>9949332
Shut down lol You're still wrong, though, nothing wrong with using save states. I'm not leaving my PC running while I go for a shit for the sake of internet cred.

For a more authentic gaming experience you need to go beyond saving.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/jD8NSCXu-mQ

>>9948670
So true. Devs are starting to get harrassed for "easy mode" now because the name implies it's easier than it's "supposed to be", and that triggers zoomers.
>how dare you imply that the way I play the game isn't equally as valid as any other by calling it "easy" and calling a harder mode "normal"?!
And god forbid they give the modes funny names or illustrations.

(fun fact, the Japan-only Famicom game Pocketzaurus jokingly calls its easiest setting "Parent Mode" because back then parents were the ones assumed to be awful at video games and needing an extra easy version)

>>9938343
Absolutely and utterly based.

What if I don't care about beating the game. What if I just want to have fun?

>>9950079
Savestatefags typically don't even realize video games are supposed to BE fun:
>>9947292
>>9948496

>>9950079
Perfectly fine, problems arise when you tell yourself you did beat the game (legitimately)

>>9938341
If you saved state just to take a break, and then loaded it once to continue - you beat the game.

I've never seen a convicing argument against save states. Save scumming is where you didn't beat the game.

>>9938341
Why would you save state at the title screen

>>9938345
>>9948863
>>9950606
Did you guys know you can download pictures from the internet and use them for a thread image?

protip: you see that little arrow next to the post number? click it and it lets you find out where the image came from, amazing right? Welcome to 4chan!

>>9947429
Using a save state as a quick save is functionally the same thing as hitting pause you autist.

>>9950965
No it’s not. Pausing a game stops the game. Save states save the state of the game. If you die and load a quick save it is still saving not pausing. In no universe does pausing serve the same function as quick saves. If you unpause and die, you don’t start out from when you were paused. I want you to reread that last sentence before you answer, please.

>>9950974
I'm talking about when you exit the game and reload the savestate only once to resume play. Not constantly reloading the same save state again and again.

>>9950985
I understand your point, but it’s not functionally the same. You can quick save and restart your computer, then pick up where you left off. You can’t do that if you paused, a functional difference. Like previously stated if you quick save and die, you can reload to when you quick saved. If you unpause and die, you can reload to when you were paused… ohh wait that doesn’t work because it’s functionally different than quick saving. You can fuck a flesh light and say it’s functionally the same but you’ll never have a wife and kids.

>>9951006
The difference is just that it's more convenient if you don't want to leave your computer on for an extended period to keep it paused. It doesn't effect the actual experience of the game, so what's your problem? Do you not have the self-discipline not to exploit it?

>>9951024
>It doesn't affect* the actual experience of the game
>The difference is just that it's more convenient
Make up your mind. Better yet, start again at a more convenient time instead of starting a new game thirty minutes before your plane leaves.

>>9951059
I don't understand this purism stance when you're playing on an emulator to begin with. I thought this autism was reserved for coomlectors.

>>9951078
I'm sure you do think that, you apparently lack the self-discipline to ditch the safety blanket altogether and will justify special use cases.

I'm inferring a bit here but I get the impression you wouldn't feel a need to savestate if you were playing a game you were willing to play over and over, where restarting was seen as an opportunity to enjoy levels again rather than as a tedious punishment for failure. My two cents.

The thought that some savestaters accidentally overwrote their progress in pre-memory card RPGs by accidentally loading the wrong savestate makes me happy

>>9951156
Thats why I only use the rewind feature, stops me from accidentally overwriting a save with an older one

>>9951149
It's not a safety blanket if you don't use it to savescum. It's a handy convenience in some cases, like games with passcodes, or if you can only play for a short time and don't want all your progress wasted. Don't tell me you actually put in the passcodes in lmao.

>>9951238
That is literally what it is, it provides you nothing other than comfort. Learned helplessness.

>>9951006
>>9951149
Not him, but how save states are a safety blanket or anything if one doesn't load it more than once? I savestate, exit the game, then load state to play where I left off and then never use that save again. If I die or fail I just start over as intended. The only thing that changes from leaving the game paused - I save money on electricity bills and power outages can't fuck me up.

>>9950985
>I'm talking about when you exit the game and reload the savestate only once to resume play.

I think this is acceptable, however only if it's used with parcimony as it's kind of a grey area.

If you use a savestate to resume the game where you left off 2-3 days later, not many people would have let the console on all this time IRL. Also in the case of the NES I know that the very hot AC adaptor scared many people so not many would leave it on overnight.

Then if you start doing this with all your games, really noone would do that irl and leave the consoles on all day every day, it was something that people did, but not every time.

And if you play another game in between then it's definitely cheating, unless you tell yourself
>it's like I have two of the same consoles and I let one plugged in to play another game on the other one!

>>9951310
Because it provides you a feeling of safety, that no matter what you'll be able to pick up exactly where you left off. Having confidence in your ability to reach that point consistently while enjoying the process means you no longer need this safety blanket. Why load a state when you can enjoy the levels again and improve your run?

A pause is supposed to be brief by definition, however kids would exploit pauses by leaving their systems on and having it paused indefinitely until they chose to pick it up again. This is why I call indefinite pausing/statesaving a safety blanket, it's a childlike playstyle and if someone can't be bothered to play in one sitting then they should consider playing something they'll either enjoy replaying or pick a game that has a save feature. Adventure games welcome frequent saving, perhaps that is more to their preference for example.

>>9951371
Wanting to pick up where you left off is a pretty simple concept to understand. That's why password systems were so common, which are basically shitty versions of save states. Are those childlike too? Not being able to properly save was usually a hardware limitation, because battery saves were expensive. Using savestates as a pause feature says nothing about someone's game preference. It doesn't mean they hate replaying levels, or any of that nonsense. Older games would've implemented better save options if it were cheaper to do so at the time.

Well, I just beat Actraiser.

It was okay.

>>9951609
I sure hope you didn't glance at a strategy guide for the game 20 years ago. According to some of the autists in this thread, that would make it impossible for you to ever beat the game.

>>9951371
>Why load a state when you can enjoy the levels again and improve your run?
why the fuck would anyone want to replay the same fuckin level over and over again on their first playthrough? you are turning games into fuckin work instead of making them games if you do this

>>9951439
If more games wanted to have players retain progress then more games would use passwords. There are plenty of games that use passwords and plenty that don't use saves nor passwords.

>>9951809
And if more people wanted to go swimming, they would go swimming. Whats your point?

>>9951763
Actually, I watched the Game Center CX episode of the game before playing and it definitely helped me. I would have definitely lost more lives if I hadn't as I knew exactly what to do in many places; and even though it's an action game, knowing what to do was far more important than the execution itself (the controls aren't particularly hard to master).

And yeah, I couldn't undo that knowledge, so I agree, I didn't beat the game legitimately.

>>9951823
I don't understand your point. The developers made a conscious decision if they wanted the players to be able to continue from certain sections by adding or omitting passwords.

>>9951910
>The developers made a conscious decision
>This means save states are for kids
Again, what is your point? The fact you dont know my point says it all

>>9951941
I'm not the guy saying savestates are for kids. I'm just stating the simple fact that developers always had a way without putting a battery save to maintain player progress with passwords. Omitting password inclusion is a deliberate decision.

>>9951970
Then why even state that fact? Its like arguing if Ganon or Bowser is better in ssb and stating
>The developers could have left both those characters out, just stating a fact on what they could and could not do
What was the point?

>>9951024
>The difference is just that it's more convenient if you don't want to leave your computer on for an extended period to keep it paused
So it's not functionally the same? Wow who would've guessed. Heres a little tip in logic in sentence structures. Saying something is "functionally the same" does not equal that they serve the same function. You can use a rock to hammer a nail and that serves the same function as a hammer, but functionally the rock is not as good as the hammer for hammering nails.

>>9952012
>Older games would've implemented better save options if it were cheaper to do so at the time
Because you said that. If they wanted such a system for resuming progress they would have implemented a password system. As I said not all games have that. This year I've gone through the Strike games, Ecco, Dynamite Duke, and Elemental Master. One set of games have passwords to resume your progress and another set doesn't have anything like saves nor passwords to resume your progress. As I said, it's intentional.

>>9938341
The only people who obsess over save states are autistic turbovirgins.

>>9952092
If you bothered to read a single post ITT you would have realized that savestates aren't the issue, the issue are people who tell themselves "savestates aren't really cheating" and how much that says about their personalities

You [just lost] the game

>>9952197
It's a result of protestant brainrot

Over 300 posts now, why are you guys so sensitive on this topic that you immediately reply to every troll thread about it ?

>>9938341
I don't like using passwords
fuck you

lol

>>9952281
FUCK

>>9951439
It really sucks that you treat replaying a game or entering passwords you earned as a tedious waste of time when in my opinion these hardware limitations make you slow down and take things as they come rather than trying to obsessively speedrun your entire life as is so common nowadays. Really it speaks to me how little you care for respecting hardware limitation and how it affects your experience, like you'd rather insert your own saving ability regardless of hardware limitation and developer intention just so you can feel like you're not wasting your precious time. I've heard a better way of experiencing a full game without wasting your time over resets and setbacks is to watch a walkthrough.
>>9951806
You must have poor reading comprehension; In order to enjoy levels *again* you need to restart, meaning it would no longer be your first playthrough. What do you think "Game Over" means?
Moreover if you obsessively feel a need to beat the game your very first playthrough you are only exhausting yourself with unrealistic expectations. Or as you so succinctly put it,
>you are turning games into fuckin work instead of making them games if you do this
>>9951941
I'm who you were talking to, I'll spell it out.
If a game has a save feature, use the included save feature. If the developers didn't include a save battery or password system, let alone a "save anywhere" feature, inserting one yourself is sheer petulance.

Play Battle Kid, that game is very up front about what difficulties do what. The easiest difficulties allow for infinite saving (albeit not anywhere you want), harder ones have limited saves or even no saving whatsoever. If you feel a need to use save states using any of those difficulty levels then you would likely take more enjoyment from watching walkthroughs

>>9952287
Yet again someone blaming others for their insecurities, this thread wouldn't have gone anywhere if it wasn't for saveshitters need to defend themselves because they know it's cheating. Functionality they may as well just play the game with a Game Genie like normal people did. It's cheating all the same.

>>9946943
Because you aren't entitled to everyone agreeing with the OP, which is always made by a faggot.

>>9953021
>make thread with declaratory statement asking to be baited
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW DARE PEOPLE ARGUE THE OPPOSITE
Funny how these "real gamers" get so defensive at an opposing argument, like you're entitled to be automatically right.

>>9952017
Holy pedantic jesus. It is functionally the same when the usage/purpose is the same. It doesn't have to work in the exact same way to be considered functionally equivalent. Fuck off with your bad faith semantics bullshit.

>>9952762
Entering passwords in is an inelegant solution because they didn't want to put save batteries in. It doesn't add to the experience in a meaningful way. Being able to save is a straight improvement in this instance.
You're making an awful lot of assumptions about me; that I don't enjoy replaying, taking my time, or overcoming challenges through setbacks, which are not true at all. I only really use savestates in place of a password, or if I have to leave my computer for a while. Even then, a lot of the time I will choose to restart from the game's save anyway, but it is nice to have the option. As mentioned, you can achieve the same thing on real hardware by leaving the system on, so it's still respecting hardware limitation in my view, except maybe if you leave it for a very long time. There is a big difference between using savestates in this way, and using it to savescum and reload every time you die, in my opinion. I don't care if you enjoy being purist about this, but your mindset that anyone using savestates for any reason is being "petulant", or would be better off watching walkthroughs is a bit arrogant.

>>9953174
No, definitions need limits. You can’t just forever expand terms into vague blanket descriptions because you’re too lazy to consider the recourse of pushing language in this direction. Your nonchalant attitude will convolute the lexicon until nearly all words are interchangeable and nobody knows what the fuck anybody is talking about.

>>9953165
We are automatically right because we play the game as it was designed and don't try to lie and tell others that cheating isn't cheating. If you're a cheater that's on you but don't try to claim you're not.

>>9938341
Beating a game means you see the ending credits scroll because of your own actions (e.g. watching a longplay does not fulfill this requirement)

So whether you use the konami code, warp pipes, save states or even fucking rewind, none of that matters since you reached the end by your own means, thus you have beaten the game.

Now on a skill level you can still suck balls, but that is irrelevant for this topic.

>>9938341
Wtf is wrong with you? You think you are better than others, huh? Beating the game isn't magically worth more just because you didn't use snow . Seriously.

>>9953174
What else am I to think when you balk at the idea of entering two bytes of data for a password? You seem to think I'm accusing you of savescumming, which I haven't, what I'm pointing out is that leaving your console on was something children did. This obsession with preserving your progress is a delusion, the game is as temporary as the person playing it. You are not preserving your time, you are fracturing it. Restarting doesn't make you a failure, quitting does. How many games do you have in limbo? How much of your time?

>>9953313
To say you beat the game, implies that you have conquered it. To play "beat" something through illegitimate means is not a conquering of the game but rather a false impression of it.

>>9938341
ur gay

Shit thread
>Verification not required.

>>9953828
>he didn't type the captcha
Not a real post.

>>9953837
Captcha is artificial difficulty.

>you beat it too, bro? What was the hardest part for you?
>uuh.. I don't know. I guess it was all pretty hard.
>what was your setup for the last boss?
>uuh... I don't remember. I guess I just went in and beat him. I have to go.

>Vintageniggers will defend this bullshit

>>9953734
Not necessarily, highly subjective stance.
Conquering a game is not the same as beating it. Being a master at a game is like a 1cc playthrough, while beating can mean putting in a ton of quarters.
Same applies when cheesing bossfights or abusing 'glitches' to make it past parts of a game with less effort than the developers intended.
Most people who do these tricks still consider that they beat the game, despite not playing by the developers vesion.

>>9954115
>filters shitters
Absolutely.

>>9938341
obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2uyDqbA-Q

>>9954738
he didn't beat the game

>>9954738
Kaizo hacks perfectly embody how crazy some people got with savestates with no restraints.
They got the point that savescumming through every game meant the games weren't interesting anymore, so what did they do as a result? Stop using states so the games become interesting again?
Nope. Instead, build games based on the idea that the player is going to save every 2-5 steps.

>>9954738
>I just don't want to do parts I just beat seconds ago, it is redundant content!
>The developers would have intended this if battery saves didn't add onto the cost
>We would be able to do this but it was game limitations so I'm just playing the way the developers intended it
>I don't have time, I have a life! I can't simply sit down and enjoy my hobby for what it is, something I do in my leisure time for my enjoyment
>I really love these games, that's why I try to spend as little time with the games as possible while playing them
>I simply know better than these developers, I've implemented these aspects into my games since I have superior senses in what a good game is
>It's just another tool in my utility belt, I deserve the ability to use it!

>>9954835
picrel

just kidding I kek'd

>>9938341

>You didn't beat the game.

No, but I finished it.

GET REKT

>>9955001
I think this is acceptable.

>>9954175
I mean, you can "consider" anything you want, but if you're content to imagine yourself a champion after putting in no effort you might as well imagine any old hollow victory you want.
Of course all video games are hollow victories; nobody held a parade for me when I beat my first Touhou game. But they don't have to be completely make-believe.
When you beat a good game you should feel like you've learned or grown in some way, even if it's just a little.

Here's a good example: Picross DS. It's a nice puzzle game and it's quite long. It's so long that it took me seven years of playing on and off to finish all the puzzles.
The ten year old me who started it and the seventeen year old me who finished it were so different that they're almost two different people. A very small part of that came from playing this game. I got better at stepping back and looking at things logically, and taking the time to do things properly without rushing and making mistakes.
This is a good. A work of art should leave an impression on you, no matter whether it's a classic play or a cute little puzzle game.

Because it's just a puzzle game, there's nothing preventing someone from loading it up, looking up all the answers and "beating" it in about two hours.
But that's completely meaningless. You didn't have to learn, or grow, or put in any effort at all. You may have seen the credits, but you changed nothing, gained nothing.
The ending screen is just set dressing. The true sign that you beat a game is the mark the game left on you.
Cheating isn't bad because it goes against the developer's vision. They don't care how you have fun with their game. It's bad because you're destroying your own opportunity to grow and overcome something, just because it's hard. It's an awful habit.

>>9945590
>What about speedrunners
Scum of the earth, the lot of them. Also trannies.

>>9956461
The problem I see here is that most people are too black and white, i.e. people either:
A) beat a game with 0 aid (e.g. save state practice or using a strategy guide to get past a hard section)
B) use every cheat available just to see the credits roll, including invincibility cheats with a level select.

Reality is more nuanced than that. If someone save state practices a hard section and later does a 1cc then that is fine.
If someone gets past a difficult boss fight by exploiting poor ai or save state, then that is also fine.
If someone wants extra challenge and set it to hardest difficulty, and refuses to save state practice, that is also fine.

Depending on the person any of the above can give a fulfilling experience.
And everyone has their own sense of what feels right and wrong, i.e. most will agree that using an invincibility cheat is wrong.

>>9956496
>you're not good enough at games, i don't respect you
>but fuck those guys, they are too good at games, i don't respect them

>>9955001
Pretty astute distinction, actually. I like it.

>>9956614
>Definitely gets the job done, good enough for government work, a little dab’ll do ya, only on Tuesdays, 23 skidooo, there’s a snake in my boot

>>9938359
I'm on the Autism spectrum, but dang. This is ... ADVANCED Autism. Like, I'm surprised they let you have a computer Autism. Make Rain Man look like Jimmy Carter Autism.

>>9938341
Save states are fine for old games with bullshit design

>>9954835
>I just don't want to do parts I just beat seconds ago, it is redundant content!
This but unironically. Repeating levels you can easily beat is a waste of time

>>9958040
If you don't enjoy the basic game mechanics, why are you wasting your time playing it to begin with? Social prestige?

>>9958323
Repeating the same thing needlessly is boring

>>9955001
Finish means completion, incohesive runs aren't complete, abort/retry/fail?

>>9958325
That's my point, if you enjoyed the mechanics it wouldn't get boring. This is like the hundred million people that bought fidget spinners and promptly stopped using them a week later, because they didn't actually care about the mechanics

>>9958330
It just depends on the game. Saving several minutes of gameplay is always worth it

>>9958334
It's worth it if you don't enjoy the mechanics and are playing due to fear of missing out on some pop culture tidbit. I actually can't imagine any reason to skip gameplay unless you don't enjoy it. Either enlighten me or go watch a walkthrough and play something you actually enjoy playing instead.

>>9958337
>I actually can't imagine any reason to skip gameplay
There is always that part you dislike due to being repetitive or annoying to go through even though you can beat it fine. It shouldn't be some mark against save stating if you prove you have the ability to beat it normally.

>>9958339
And yet I enjoy the mechanics enough to play it anyways. Imagine savestating to skip SMB 1-1. Come on now.

I bet you only play SMB with warp zones

>>9958343
More power to you I guess. Some of us don't have enough time to repeat something we know well enough over and over and rather just get to the good stuff

>>9958347
I knew it. You are trying so hard to finish that you're too busy to live.

>>9958350
The goal of video games is to play and beat them and I finished many games before I got into emulation

>>9958352
The goal of gaming is entertainment. If the mechanics don't entertain you then stop wasting your time playing them.

>>9958356
Its also entertaining to finish them

>>9958361
Finishing the game means the entertainment has ended, what you're describing is relief from the awful tedious gameplay you already beat.

>>9958373
If a game has mostly awful gameplay I would have stopped playing

>>9958376
>I would have stopped...
>...but I wanted to be entertained by the ending so I used save states and pushed through!
How admirable, video game sadomasochism. Nice weasel wording.

>>9958387
I never said I use save states for bad games

>>9958391
You said you use save states to get to the good parts, meaning whatever you're skipping is a bad part of the game. Think critically: Once you've mastered the "good stuff" it becomes tedious and boring by your terms. It really sounds like you enjoy playing for the novelty rather than for the content of the mechanics.

>>9958407
Please stop putting words in my mouth. I never said the good parts of a game becomes tedious or boring. Only the shit parts

>>9958412
>Some of us don't have enough time to repeat something we know well enough over and over and rather just get to the good stuff
>There is always that part you dislike due to being repetitive or annoying to go through even though you can beat it fine.
You tacitly did. You admitted that you become annoyed once you're proficient. That's really unfortunate that you cannot enjoy something once you've mastered it, and would rather avoid the content you spent time mastering. What a waste of time and effort.

Go to bed, you're clearly sleep deprived and have lost the conversational plot.

>>9938341
I only use save states on games that either don't allow saving or just before a boss fight after a difficult section. Fuck trying to beat something one sitting.

>>9958424
Reread my posts schizo, the good parts are the reason why I play a game, I have to problems repeating those. Why would I skip them

>>9958430
It's your post, you read it.
>There is always that part you dislike due to being repetitive or annoying to go through even though you can beat it fine.
It'll stop being fine when the novelty wears off, like the early game did.

>>9958434
Where on that line does it say its a "good part"? All it says is that annoying stuff can be skipped

>>9958438
Let me elucidate your own point to you in the hopes you'll communicate your thoughts better:
>that part you dislike
Arbitrary and can refer to any part and amount of a game
>due to being repetitive or annoying to go through
The arbitrary section is denoted as repetitive and annoying, but why?
>even though you can beat it fine
All together now: An arbitrary section of a game becomes repetitive or annoying because you're proficient at it. Meaning once you're proficient it suddenly stops being fun for you. Do you not know what "tacit" means or what?

>>9958457
>all this autistic semantics and mental gymnastics
I accept your concession

>>9958461
>I reject reality and substitute my own
How apt, good for you.

>>9958465
>will continue coping and seething over save states

>>9958471
Damage control. You get irritated when you're bored or losing, which explains your recent posts

>>9958479
Okay armchair psychologist

>>9958485
You told me as much. Stay irritated, guy.

>>9958487
>told me
You mean your schizo mind

>>9958491
Minds read words, at least mine does.

>>9958534
>he's a mind reader
Damn

>>9958536
Case in point.

>>9958537
Whatever you say

>>9958538
Quitters never read

>>9958542
But I beat the games :^)

>>9958545
Enjoy Delusion™

>>9958549
>nooooo you didn't beat the game according to my autism
Lol

>>9958554
>he still thinks it's about winning

>>9958571
>games aren't meant to be finished

>>9958576
>he can't enjoy and finish