/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9932659
I've played all these games multiple times already.

>>9932659
They'll fuck up the ports somehow.

>>9932707
This, sadly. Probably won’t include all the content from the originals either.

Sweet! They're rereleasing the Legacy Collection, but with less games and edited-out content. Any word on the price so I can ignore it harder?

>>9932709
They're confirmed to be the HD collection versions, so no skateboarding, Snake vs monkey, secret theater, or Guy Savage.

>>9932712
>Any word on the price so I can ignore it harder?

Remake slop so >(you)r favorite e-celeb can pretend they’re a life long fan and jack up the price on any of the remaining existing copies

>>9932713
Will MGS3 at least have MG1 and 2 or have they stripped those out to pad out another collection later/forget about them entirely?

>>9932727
It does include both Metal Gears

>>9932727
The PS store page confirms they're included, as well as MGS VR missions.

>>9932727
They probably don't want people playing MG1-2 because they've been retconned to death since. If they're starting remakes with MGS3 they'll probably go chronologically, so MG1-2 remakes aren't far ahead, they could bring them fully in line with the canon.

>>9932713
Not even Boss Battle mode from MGS3? That's something that shouldn't be cut in any rerelease.
>Fond memories of the Hard version of The End where both you and him die in one shot, making for the ultimate sniping battle

I like the PS3 still has a reason to stay plugged in. It's the only one-console way to play all of the Metal Gear Solid games (with 4 and 5 being the most noteworthy)

>>9932659
I still have my big PS3 collection with 1 and the VR missions downloaded, I sleep

>>9932712
>>9932773
>>9932773
>>9932782
Yeah, I've got HD and legacy and the og releases all ready but if you add twin snakes or babel then maybe I'd think about it.

>>9932659
How many times they're gonna re-release the same games over and over? Everyone already has the original releases at this point. Do zoomers even wanna play these games? They can't play anything unless it's garbage like Fortnite and Genshin.

>>9932892
why the fuck would anyone want to play twin snakes

>>9932659
I've must've seen this collection about 4 times now.

>>9932916
zoom zoom, zoomer

>>9932956
yeah, lemme show you
*farts on your face*

>>9932659
>ANOTHER FUCKING PORT COLLECTION
Who the fuck keeps buying this shit

>>9932916
MGS3 never came to PC and the port of 2 is garbage

>>9932712
Legacy Collection might have had its share of issues but at least it offered the complete experience at no additional markup. This is just Konami and Sony hashing out another rather lazy exclusive port collection on Playstation only again. You'd think they'd learn their lesson after the Rondo/SotN drama on PS4.

>>9933057
>exclusive port collection on Playstation only again
You are redistributing false information.

>>9932659
Are they seriously using the vanilla versions of Sons of Liberty and Snake Eater? Literally all you have to do is port Subsistence to PC, Konami. The fans will do the rest.

Oh and I want to call this early. Eva is going to get censored. Modern Sony is so cucked that even a girl in a bikini is considered too much.

>>9932916
Sons of Liberty and Snake Eater are perfect for zoomers. The later even has a very easy mode that gives you a tranq gun that one shots every enemy and if you're too shit to fight The End you can just set your clock forward two weeks on yur console/PC.

>>9933078
from the PS store:
>Volume 1 line-up features the original titles and beginning of the METAL GEAR series:
>Metal Gear
>Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake
>Metal Gear Solid (Including VR Missions/Special Missions)
>Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (HD Collection version)
>Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (HD Collection version)

>>9932727
i'd imagine that they're still included. this is basically just the HD collection with MGS1 instead of peace walker which i imagine is going to be in the volume with ground zeros & phantom pain since it's kinda the first act of those 2 games.

>>9932740
that's nice.

>>9933090
Appreciate that, thanks, man. Might be worth it to get MGS3 on PC depending on the price.

>>9932659
>not integral
>not substance
>not subsistance

no thnx

>>9932659
I had this collection for years already.

It's called "mednafen and PCSX2"

>>9933112

>>9932713
>have had the HD Collection for a while but only got through MGS1
>now find out it's missing content
Good to know I should play MGS2/3 on PS2. Secret Theater looks like something I would really miss.

>>9932659
wait, what about MGS3 delta? isn't that a full fledged remake? it's just the hd collection?

>>9933083
Even if it's babby mode, they still won't play it and instead watch a streamer to pretend they did.

>>9932745
i didnt even know this was in the original subsistence. time to find a new copy.

>>9932659

OMG YES!!! ANOTHER COLLECTION OF GAMES I'VE PLAYED ALREADY FOR ME TO BUY THAT I COULD EASILY EMULATE!!!!!!!

>>9933161
we're getting both. delta is a full remake of 3, and we're also getting ports of mgs1-3 with 2 and 3 being their respective PS360 HD versions

>>9933057
They said it'll be coming to all the latest consoles, Playstation's just the first to be confirmed.

>>9932916
>>9933005
>>9933183
Do people hate port/remaster collections? I don't really mind em. Full backcompatibility on consoles would be better but in lieu of that what's the problem with them spinning a buck from their catalogues every 5 years if the ports aren't too shabby? If it gets kiddos into the games all the better.

>>9933185
oh so we're getting an official mgs3 pc port? cool I guess, I can already play everything through duckstation/pcsx2/rpcsx3 so I'm only really interested on the remake

>>9933213
I don't really understand the rage over them myself. Old movies and books are rereleased in new editions constantly, no shit video games are the same. There's always gonna be some normalfag out there who hasn't played it, or wants to play it again but only has the latest console.

>>9933229
That's a hard point to argue with. I think a lot of it is that a new format for films or music comes out every 15 years or so, and there are genuine improvements that justify it. Whereas console generations are about every 6 or 7 years, and recently there aren't many differences between them. So they end up trying to sell the same games every 6 or 7 years as a result.

Also they're proprietary. So when you get a PlayStation you can't play xbox games. You buy a bluray player and the library isn't arbitrarily divided like that. So they end up selling 4 different versions of the same games every 6 or 7 years.

Saturation is the issue.

Apocalypse Now in 4k is justified because it was made in the 70s and the only people who saw the film in that sort of quality saw it in theatres, there has been a need to purchase it exactly 3 times in the past 40 years, VHS, DVD, and now Bluray (RIP beta and laserdisc buyers). Metal Gear Solid has been rereleased on 3 out of the past 4 console generations since it was released 20 years ago.

>>9933090
>no Snake's Revenge
I sleep...

>>9933213
>Ports
Always good
>Remasters
I don't mind them as long as the original creators are involved, and if they're not for whatever reason I don't want them making any changes that wouldn't make sense with the original creator's vision.

My pet peeve is remakes that don't change the game at all. If they're going to be putting that much resources into it then it's a waste of money unless it's going to be reimagining like FF7R. If it turns out to not be good then you always have the original to fall back on, unless you're a retard who can't into old games.
>>9933229
>>9933406
People do seethe when films get rereleased sometimes depending on the differences. The Wong Kar Wai Criterion release was incredibly controversial.
I've seen many arguments over the best edition of a book to read in literature circles as well, especially if the native language isn't English and there are multiple translations floating around.
>Apocalypse Now
Isn't the theatrical cut generally considered the best version? Because I think the 4k release doesn't include it.

>>9933441
I dont think the theatrical cut is in 4k no.

But to be fair, the reason those discussions are had is because of the differences rather than because the idea of a re-release isn't liked.

Those people would be happy if they would just release the theatrical cut in 4k.

Same for books too, those discussions are usually centered around translations right? One translation is more faithful than the other, which is its own can of worms in itself.

>>9933441
I looked it up and I was wrong, the 4k Bluray includes the 1979 theatrical version. I still stand by saying that people (at least hobbyists) do care about different editions though.
>>9933479
Isn't that usually why people argue about games being remastered? I haven't played it myself but the only reason I saw people complaining about the Demon Souls PS5 version was that it had a different atmosphere from the PS3 game. I have never seen someone complain about a straight port unless it was buggy or made changes.
Like, the only complaints I'm seeing in this thread is that the MGS collection has cut content.

>>9933441
People also get extremely mad when rereleases of English books have been "edited for content"

>>9933490
I'm retarded, Demon Souls was a remake not a remaster

>>9932916
>>9932956
>>9933083
>muh zoomers
you know zoomers have ps2s and 3s right? you guys are delusional

>>9933490
I don't like ports because they re-release the same game 4 times every 6 or 7 years.

I don't like remasters because they change shit and ruin the aesthetic.

>>9933506
This, I'm a zoomer and me and my friends all grew up on the ps2.

>>9933512
>I don't like ports because they re-release the same game 4 times every 6 or 7 years
What's the issue with this?

>>9933506
Only a small number. Zoomers generally do not play real games at all and refuse to do so. It's a millennial/gen X hobby.

>>9933523
>I'm a zoomer
Didn't ask.
Also -- WE GOT A LIVE ONE, FELLAS! LIGHT'EM UP!

>>9933531
That the entertainment industries are becoming increasingly reliant on old franchises and IPs. For example. Sony purchasing Bob Dylan's back catalogue for 200 million. The idea of purchasing the back catalogue of a legacy artist for that much money would have been unheard of 30 years ago. The only notable exception was Michael Jackson buying The Beatles catalogue in 1987 for 47 million. Which is still half the amount and it's The Beatles which changes things significantly and the exception proves the rule.

Now labels and publishers are preferring to rely on old IPs and franchises rather than taking risks on new franchises, and new franchises that do get made are often cookie cutter, follow the trend of what has recently sold shit. That was always there, but even the most suit and tie old money motherfucker used to actually take risks on something new and exciting every now and then. Because there was actual money in it.

Now the only guaranteed sell is something with nostalgia attached, and it's just going to get worse the more they release ports and remasters and the more people buy them.

The idea of a normie wanting to touch anything more than 5 years old even 20 years ago was unthinkable. Old = shit used to be how people thought, now you have legacy artists from 50 years ago headlining the main stages at festivals, and every prominent game release is a game that's 20-40 years old.

>>9933569
I agree that they've become too reliant on old franchises but I'm okay with it considering that it ensures these games will still be accessible to average players long into the future.
Unless console companies start to make every new console fully backwards compatible, or release official emulators, while publishers reprint discs or make roms legally available then I'll be fine with ports.
The only issue for me is game studios focusing on creating formulaic sequels instead of innovating on them or making wholly original games.

>>9933680
Yeah but my point is that don't you think it's weird that the average player even wants to play these old games in the first place?

It wasn't that long ago that the average person wouldn't touch anything old. It's indicative of a deeper problem. The money behind art doesn't want to fund new art. It's good for them but bad for everyone else. If we just think "well all the good stuff has already been made, its worth playing these old games" who knows what we'll miss out on in the future?

The only people who should want to play old games are mega nerds like us. It should be a rare person who wants old art.

It reminds me of the fall of Rome.

kojimaslop recycled for the umpteenth time?! IM SO IN

Another series to add to the list of games that are annoying as fuck to google because you only get results for the remakes

holy fuck make new games

>>9932707
Modern ports of older games are always somehow infinitely more demanding than simply emulating the originals.
I guarantee the minimum system requirements are going look like a high-end rig from 5 years ago. Meanwhile an entry level machine with PCSX2 can run MGS3 at 4k without much effort.

MGS2 is going to be an interesting one. Seeing as it already has an official PC port from 20 years ago, we can see just how much worse the power requirements are.

>>9933569
Capcom having a small team to port Resident Evil 4 to modern platforms doesn't affect their other games that they work on. Dedicated porting studios like M2 and Nightdive don't stop new games from being made. There is no downside to getting ports of older games as a consumer, unless that port is shit. One downside for me is shit like the Demons Souls remake. Instead of a port of the original, we are stuck with the worse remake/remaster on PS5, and most likely the original PS3 version won't be ported to modern platforms. The same shit will probably happen with bloodborne.

>>9933828
There ARE downsides for the consumer. The average player decides to spend their money on a low effort port of a game that was 20 years ago instead of spending their money on a new franchise, meaning that the industry stagnates.

>>9933839
I don't care about new IPs with modernized gameplay.

>>9932659
these games emulate fine tho

>>9932712
They're rereleasing HD collection but with based MGS1 instead of piss walker

>>9933839
The industry stagnates when money is spent on new franchises which have to be safe as fuck in order to gain a foothold. Old games play differently and their sales positively benefit the industry.

>>9932659
I can already play all those games

>>9932743
>they could bring them fully in line with the canon
Without kojima tho so whats the point.

>>9933219
>I'm only really interested on the remake
Zoom zoom.

>>9933965
anon, I'm almost 30...

>>9933970
You got the brain of a zoomer tho.

>>9933801
No, I think it's weird when people don't want to touch old games. People listen to old music, read old books, and watch old films, so why should games be different? I understand it when gameplay is outdated compared to modern games but most of them aren't that bad.
>The money behind art doesn't want to fund new art.
New games still get made though. Like I said, the issue is when studios opt to make formulaic sequels than something fresh. You're acting like ports are all that gets made today.

>>9933801
Do you also worry about the fall of civilization when you see someone playing Chess?

>>9933965
>implying it wasn't zoomer shit already

>>9933849
So keep your PS2 ans shut the fuck up. Those games already exist.

>>9933907
And why would they ever bother to spend money on risky franchises when they can attach an old name or follow a trend and sell enough anyway? Why not just foster love for old shit and use that instead? Much easier than getting people to try new stuff.

Innovation doesn't come from old work. Games inspired by games are going to be boring ass games. Should be inspired by life experiences or other media/art forms or interests. Like how modern films suck because all the writers only know older films.

>>9932659
It’s so odd to me to remake the worst one of the trilogy. I totally get it, some of you don’t like Raiden…. But come on for those of us who are fans we get 1 and 2 huge critical and commercial success ending on a cliffhanger annnnnnd… hey ur the bad guy now in the 60s only he’s the good right now so totally care about these bullshit hunting mini games and ignore the fact that we just sold 5 million copies of a game we’re going to completely ignore now! Sure got me. Fucking hacks and that cgi trailer is so cliched and done to death can’t even get a good cg trailer. Rant over

>>9934018
>It’s so odd to me to remake the worst one of the trilogy.
Bad games need remakes, no need to mess up good ones

>>9933991
That's a new phenomenon. 20 years ago it was only enthusiasts or artists themselves who cared about old art. I'm from the UK and Glastonbury is our biggest music festival. It used to be that only the new, fresh acts were on there. Last year it was Robert Plant, Paul McCartney, etc and even the "new" acts are approaching 20 years or more in the industry, like Foals or Metronomy.

That would not have happened even 20 years ago. That's insane. It is bad for the arts.

I agree that old art is great. I'm a professional musician and I love exploring music old and new I've never heard before. But it's strange to me that ordinary people want to do that. That should be for the nerds, normies should want what is new because its fresh and cool.

>>9934004
How many people do you know that play chess? It's certainly not something the average person does. I've met many people who don't even know how to play it, and even if they do know how to play, their dad taught them when they were a kid and they never play it as an adult.

That's fine. Let normies do normal things, they're the ones that are supposed to propogate new things. The enthusiasts who used to be the only ones to care about old stuff are the ones who remember it and pass it down through history.

It's great that Beethoven is still remembered, but how many people actually listen to him?

Let the artists, critics, and super fans pay attention to what's old as well as what is new, let the normies play Fortnite and Amongus. The normies will forget and spread around the new thing, as they are supposed to. Then if we still care about it, it means they were good games (chances are slim those games will be remembered in the annals of history).

>>9934028
My rant was not retro. And all my complaints stem from the story which can’t be fixed so I deleted my seethe.

>>9934056
I think you were a child 20 years ago and conflating your experiences of kids being kids with the average person when in reality people have always enjoyed art before their time.

Several of the 2003 lineup had gotten their start in the 80s by the way.

>>9934056
>>9934085
There are also plenty of modern artists in the 2023 lineup.

>>9934086
They should make new shit instead of performing stuff I've already heard.

>getting pc ports is bad because I've played them already and normies can't appreciate old thing
Glad retards that think like this only stick to making posts on this board.

>>9934014
you sure showed me.

>>9934056
>I agree that old art is great. I'm a professional musician and I love exploring music old and new I've never heard before. But it's strange to me that ordinary people want to do that. That should be for the nerds, normies should want what is new because its fresh and cool.
NOOOOO other people cant be like me i have to be unique.

>>9934085
>>9934086

The ratio of new to old is way more in favour of new on the 2003 lineup than the 2023 lineup.

David Gray on the 2003 is the outlier of being the oldest artist with his first album being 1975 (yeah I checked). REM are second with 1983, and Primal Scream are third at 1987. Three old acts who were still relevant at the time. Everyone else had their debut 5-10 years earlier than that, which is about the time it takes to get established.

Then look st 2023; Guns n' Roses 40 years, Elton John 50 years, Cat Stevens 50 years, Barrington Levy 40 years, Blondie 50 years, Fatboy Slim 30 years, Manic Street Preachers 30 yeats, Arctic Monkeys 20 years, Hot Chip 20 years, etc. Those are just the ones I know I couldn't be bothered to research the exact release date of their first albums. So thanks for proving my point.

Also kids are the ones who spread popular culture, people who are in their teens or early 20s. So even though youre wrong about how old I am, your point would have been moot anyway.

>>9934149
That's not what I said.

I have a reason to look at old stuff, it informs my work. Nerds obsess and they look for old stuff for that reason. Critics have to know the history of the art form to have an informed opinion.

Normies listen to the radio and buy it. It's an ecosystem and that's why we used to have cool stuff getting made all the time for 60 years consistently.

Then the internet fucked it up.

>>9934014
If you lump MGS3 with all the surrounding examples, youre a fucking idiot. Look at how jarring and crowded all thoses menus are. But with MGS3, the fonts and the design of the menu items are stylized and it looks like they blend into that universe.

>>9934180
Whatever helps you sleep at night

>>9934152
>still relevant at the time
So it's okay when kids 20 years ago listened to older music but it's not fine when kids today keep it relevant?
>the ratio is off because of a handful of artists out of 70
I just went through the entire list and a good 80% of them are recent which isn't far from that 2003 set. And when you consider the sheer number of acts now it matters less and less.
>Also kids are the ones who spread popular culture, people who are in their teens or early 20s. So even though youre wrong about how old I am, your point would have been moot anyway.
Yes, they do drive popular culture but that has nothing to do with my point which is that you're comparing kids back then to adults today instead of comparing kids back then to kids today. The average modern teen doesn't listen to old music much if at all.

>>9934260
They were still relevant because they were still releasing new albums that were topping the charts. But it's okay because there are exactly 3 bands older than 10 years old.

What's you're definition of recent? Artists that debuted 20 years ago? Yeah you got shit like Lil Nas X and so on, but they're still far fewer in number than 2003 lineup comparatively and they're not the main acts that are driving ticket sales.

When I say kids, I'm talking about people up to their 20s. Which if you look at Glasto footage, you'll see are the primary audience, and they're all going to see legacy acts.

I'm talking about the people who pay money and drive popular culture. They used to want new stuff, now they want old stuff that was made before they were even born.

>>9934308
>up to their LATE* 20s

>>9934260
>the ratio is off because of a handful of artists out of 70

A bunch of artists that are 50 years old vs one that is 30 and two that are 20.

How do you not get the point there?

I would only care if they were on Switch because they've never been released on a Nintendo system before. And having a handheld version would be really cool AND you'll have a console version built in also. BUT you just know they'll skip Nintendo again because there's some strange either bias against Nintendo with this series or straight up some sort of contract stating they can't put it on there

>>9934308
Yeah I think you're delusional and/or don't know any normalfag zoomers if you think they're mainly there to see Guns n Roses, Elton John, or fucking Cat Stevens, kek.
And your definition of relevance applies to several of the older artists in current Glastonbury.
>>9934325
How do you not see that this is a handful out of SEVENTY

>>9934371
They're the headline acts on the main stage dumbass. Who the fuck else are they going there for?

>>9934371
And it doesn't matter what you or I think, there is footage from last year, look at the crowd for Paul McCartney. The average age is 20.

>>9934417
>>9934424
Just because someone is headlining doesn't mean everybody is there specifically to see them, retard. If you're spending hundreds on festival tickets you'll see multiple acts even if they're not your main interest. They also got Kendrick Lamar and Billie Eilish to headline last year and I'm sure their audiences were even younger.

>>9934442
You don't know what you're talking about. The moment you try to say that headliners aren't the main draw or ticket sellers, is the moment you should stop talking.

Obviously they go to see other acts, but nobody pays 200 for a ticket to go see a 20 minute set of a few artists. They go for the headliners and the support acts are a bonus, and the majority of them you don't even watch because you're buying beer and getting pissed for the headliners.

But go ahead dude, keep buying your ports and remasters, I knew I wasn't going to stop you from doing it. But don't complain when new art dries up completely.

>>9934470
>But don't complain when new art dries up completely
Nigger you are on a retro video game board.

>>9934478
How is that relevant?

>>9934470
I know more than you because I'm a zoomer. None of my normalfag peers care about Paul McCartney. If they're at a festival where he's headlining they might see him but none of them would go to a festival FOR him. He's just on that list for mass appeal. They would be much more likely to go see the other headliners, Billie Eilish and Kendrick Lamar.

>>9934470
lol dude headliners come on at like 11pm. early into the morning like 2/3am if it's not a totally normie festival. you spend the rest of the day hanging out and listening to various other stuff

you buy tickets for a specific headliner and then you go all 3/4 days and find other shit you're interested in. of course guns n roses/drake/billie eilish w/e are the draw but you'd be surprised at how full the crowds get for "old" artists. last indie bitch festival i went to had drake as a headliner AND chemical brothers further down the list and the crowd for the latter was huge. young people too

off-topic and irrelevant regardless
companies will keep remaking their classic games because people are too attached to franchises and the medium has grown too much for experimental and innovative endeavors to be released anymore.

good thing the old games will never disappear so we can just keep playing them

>>9934056
>NOOOOO YOU MUST PLAY BRAND NEW HOMOSEX JEWBUX MASS PRODUCED GOYSLOP OR ELSE!!!! I ONLY KNOW NPCS AND NIGGERS WHO CONSUME CURRENT PRODUCT!

>>9932659
>PS5 exclusive...

...no, its not.

i will be ready to take back what i said once they confirm the collection is gonna be multiplat. but they arent doing that... despite the fact that MGSDelta, the game that SHOULD have been a PS5 exclusive, was announced as multiplat day 1.

>>9932727
Yes. But there will be minor edits for copyright.
Which means no Mel Gibson as Snake or Sean Connery as Big Boss.

>>9934582
you know those edits have existed since the original MGS3Substance release, right?

but yeah, given the fact the original MG1 and 2 arent mentioned here, i doubt those will be included in this version of MGS3.

>>9934528
I dont care what you think. Look at the video footage on YouTube and see all of them watching him. They could have gone to any of the other stages but they didn't. Pyramid stage, Paul McCartney.

>>9934538
Glastonbury is the most popular festival here. It's the most normie festival we have. He had the biggest crowd out of any act there.

You guys are talking complete shit and don't know what you're talking about.

>>9934328
>Nintendo with this series or straight up some sort of contract stating they can't put it on there
The Switch could probably handle running the games, especially seeing how the HD ports were made for PS3, 360, and even the Vita, but if it ever makes it to the system I doubt it'll be anything but one of those cloud versions that always gets tossed its way.

>>9934606
Yeah. I know.
But the PSN page mentions the MSX games would be included.

>>9934538
And it's not off-topic.

We got onto this conversation because it demonstrates how nostalgia focused everyone is, even for stuff that was released before they were born.

>>9934606
>you know those edits have existed since the original MGS3Substance release, right?
Before that. The MSX ports included in Subsistence were originally made for mobile phones.

>>9934667
the switch can 100% run the hd versions but that'd require actual work from konami so it's not happening

>>9934660
>Look at the video footage on YouTube
>doesn't show the crowd except for 2 seconds cameraman found two young looking asian girls
>everyone around them looks 30+
kek

>>9934880
There was a whole hour and a half set. I don't expect you to honestly take a look though.

Don't bother if you're going to cherry pick like that.

>>9934328
>>9934667
>>9934710
I unironically think it's because Konami execs believe only children own Nintendo consoles or something.

>>9934884
You mean like how you've been cherry picking the oldest people on a list of 70 to say young people don't listen to new artists?
Or how you've been cherry picking Paul McCartney from last year to say only old artists headline while ignoring the other massively popular new headliners?

>>9932659
I'm going to buy it just to piss off everyone in this thread

>>9934980
Also the MGS3 remake

>>9934892
The newest headliners on the main stage from this year are Arctic Monkeys. 20 years old the other two are 50 years old.

The oldest headliner on the main stage from 2003 was Primal Scream 20 years old.

That's all that needs to be said. If you can't see what's happening I don't really care. The information is there for you to see. I can't force you to get it.

>>9935071
REM not Primal Scream, was right about 20 years though, so the point remains the same.

How did Sony talk Konami into non-pachinko ventures? A

>>9933523
This, I don't understand the logistics of "zoomers never played PS2". So if you're born in 2000, you just never touched a games console til 2007?
>>9933532
And now this guy is saying zoomers have never seen a PlayStation THREE. Mate, if you're born in 2000, your parents are either told enough to have bought a 6th gen console for your elder siblings, or young enough to have bought a 6th gen console for themselves

>>9933005
Everyone when your options are
>The Legend of Pokétroid bros.
>The Last of Us Tripple HD Delux edition
>phone game ports
>Hero based shooter #462957
>open world/crafting #986365
>cashgrab ports of good games

>>9935071
I love how you retarded doomer types always do this "the information is right there!!!!" bit as if a sane person would take this single festival to be indicative of an entire generation's listening habits in the first place.
>>9935108
Most millennials and gen X seem to think zoomers are perpetually toddlers or something.

>>9934014
I hate modern ui design so goddamn much.

>>9932704
fpbp

>>9933839
That people would rather
>spend their money on a low effort port of a game that was 20 years ago instead of spending their money on a new franchise
says a lot about the quality of the new stuff.

>>9933849
Then you'll enjoy present-day gaming for having no new IP's and no innovations to gameplay

>>9933801
My guess is the rise of social media and subsequent hyper refinement of taste (refined=/=good). The death of legacy media/hype outlets like magazines, TV ads/shows, and pre-social media websites likely compounded the problem.

>>9935174
To help illustrate: my little brother is 15 (to my 36). He has some interest in video games but when I try to share the games I have with him, they don't really take. It seems to me that his is missing the context that spurred my own interest. His context is phone games. Candycrush-likes, endless runners, etc. Phone games and hero/class based shooters, wherein players compete for the gayest looking gun. He's never heard of a jrpg. When I say platformer he thinks pic related. I hope this is coherent at 1am.

>>9935191
>pic related

>>9932659
If it were remakes of metal gear and metal gear 2 in the fox engine then I might be a litt Excited, but I know they would screw that up too.

>>9935138
>SXSW
New Order (80s), Tangerine Dream (80s), Killer Mike (OutKast (00s))

>Sound on sound
John Mayer (late 90s, lets say 00s), RHCP (80s), Alanis Morissette (90s), Trey Anastasio Band (Phish (80s))

>Lollapalooza
RHCP (again (80s)), Kendrick Lamar (10s), Billie Eilish (late 10s, lets say 20s), Chicago (late 60s let's say 70s)

>Ultra (this is EDM, bound to be fresh artists, but still the best one so far for being modern and fresh)
Martin Garrix, Swedish House Mafia, Marshmello (all 10s)

>Coachella (by far the most modern so far)
Bad Bunny (late 10s, lets say 20s), BLACKPINK (late 10s, lets say 20s), Frank Ocean (10s)

>Download
Slipknot (90s), Metallica (80s), BMTH (00s)

>Reading/Leeds
The Killers (00s), Sam Fender (late 10s say 20s), Billie Eilish (20s)

Those are the biggest festivals in the US and UK, and their main stage headliners for 2023 (AKA, the biggest acts and biggest draws), ignoring Glastonbury, we've been over that one.

00s and older (so 20 year old legacy band): 13

10s and newer: 10

The fact that legacy acts outnumber new acts is exactly my point. It should be the other way around and by a bigger margin.

Check out adverts, film soundtracks, any use of music today. You'll start to notice that most music used is from atleast the 2000s at the latest. The occasional song might be newer, but it's really fucking rare and it has to be some viral piece of shit like Bad Guy by Billie Eilish.

It's not my fault you haven't noticed it.

>>9935138
>Most millennials and gen X seem to think zoomers are perpetually toddlers or something
Just the current generation treating the next generation the same way the last generation treated them

>>9935196
>Killer Mike (OutKast (00s))
Stopped reading here, he didn't make it big until Run the Jewels in the 2010s. Nobody remembers his one feature on an Outkast album, and nobody listened to his pre-RTJ albums until RTJ.

>>9935202
And the added effect of zoomers being online their whole lives asking stupid quest and doing stupid shit on camera. We had the pleasure of only asking stupid questions to people we knew not the whole internet and the stupid shit we did became stories we laughed at later not memorialized on instagram and twitter for all to see.

>>9935160
Oh I agree, there isn't much new stuff that's good out there. That's part of the problem too.

They're relying on old IPs because they can't make anything good because they spend too much money making stuff and don't make enough of a profit to warrant any fucking around or experiments. They're locked into 5/6 year dev cycles that cost hundreds of millions. And they STILL have to rush it out the door, so they release broken shit that might have actually been really good, but even after it's updated and fixed two years later the stain is still there, so they can't recoup their losses.

So they sell old shit instead. It's a shitty situation all round. You don't have to be an old man yelling at a cloud to notice that every media industry is really suffering from overblown budgets and/or low profit margins, and so that's why they push nostalgia with rereleases/ports. It's an easy way to make money. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

>>9935174
>>9935191
Your little bro isn't a gamer dude. It's like my mom thinking she's a gamer because she plays Candy Crush. Even the zoomiest of zoomer gamers atleast play something like Fortnite or Minecraft that you can at least call a real game.

Having said that. The single player experience is also dying because the only games making real money anymore are mobile games and f2p multiplayer games with cosmetic skins.

I'm not a doomer like that other guy said, I can just see what's happening to the entertainment industries. It's not good.

>>9935206
All roads lead to social media it seems. What a rotted timeline no?

>>9935205
So fuck off then.

>>9935212
>It's not good
Depends on your point of view. Sad to see some of it go but ask yourself if anyone needs it. If it all evaporated over night, what would man do?

I only ever played original MGS3; how vital is a Subsistence playthrough?

>>9935234
I emulated all of them except 4 and I had a ludo experience. This was 7 years ago or so.

>>9933213
This board has horrible contrarians who are the loud minority...

Of course there is nothing wrong with them, and it is great that more people can be exposed. The #1 goal for gaming is to have fun!

To the fuck fucks here who gatekeep, shame, troll, whatever. You are the ones wasting your life. Everyone else is out having a great time and you are obsessed talking about shit on a weird website.

>>9935234
>how vital is a Subsistence playthrough?
Not.

>>9935239
It's ok to be angry.

>>9935225
I think the world is a worse place without great art. People will live just fine but there's more to life than that.

I'm not even sure you could class any game as being great art either. So if things keep getting worse then you should consider the fact that we never got to see a true work of art from games.

>>9935239
>>9935251
It's also okay to have standards.

>>9935239
Gatekeeping is good because it protects your power as a consumer; when you don't gatekeep, you allow double-digit IQ people to make up the majority of the customerbase, and they will spread their legs for all manner of bad business practices.

>>9935213
Well if you believe in multiverse theory than this is just one of a nearly infinite amount of almost identical timelines, where social media causes zoomers to be reprimanded by the entire internet.

>>9933213
As long as they aren't butchered like the Silent Hill collection I have zero issues with, don't know why some anons think they need re-buy this if they are fine with the originals or Legacy Collection.

>>9935270
This is a video game board sir. You are mistaken if you believe the average person here doesn't have a double digit IQ.

>>9935234
it is unless you don't mind the outdated topdown camera

>>9935296
Meh, it’s a nice mix of folk here. Either way he has a good point. You can say slippery slope blah blah, but the real world outcome always leads to the same thing. A streamlined watered down version of something that was once unique.

>>9934004
To be fair, can you imagine how many people would be crying about how unbalanced chess is if it were only released a few years ago? And that's not even touching how the woke/antiwoke culture war types would try to ruin it after they got their hands on it, as they do with pretty much everything.

>>9934328
Wasn't there a special 3DS version of Snake Eater? But I've heard it didn't play well, so it would be cool for Switch players to get the HD Collection version instead.

>>9935318
I never understood why the PSP Metal Gear and MGS3 on 3DS insisted on using the 3rd person camera despite the top down camera being a much better fit for systems without a second analog stick.

>>9935320
To show off the hardware.

>>9935264
The answer I was alluding to, dear anon, is man will create new art. I doesn't matter if institutions crumble and dissapear. Wherever Man is, he must also create. It is only our lust for consumption that mourns the loss of entertainment. Not our lust for art.

>>9935362
Ohhhh!

So you're trying to call me a consoomer basically?

Well fuck you then! How about that? Entertainment and art aren't mutually exclusive. Art is quite often entertaining, and entertainment is quite often creative and artistic. Unfortunately the nature of the world means that things require a budget to make. I'm just being pragmatic about that.

There are plenty of great works of art within popular music, and that was funded by men in suits who didn't give a fuck about art and only cared about money but atleast understood enough to know that they didn't understand. So they gave people a shot. Now the money isn't there and they don't give people a shot.

It's as if Mozart or Beethoven never got their benefactors.

>>9935617
I know that people will still make art, I would even suggest that the indie scene may be the key to fixing all this. But not until they figure out how to get money for themselves. Something I'm at least working on as a musician, so I'm trying to be the change I seek in the world.

Without the resources to spend on art, artists can't create. Nothing saps the juices like a job, unless that job is the art itself, trust me I've been there.

>>9935630
>Without the resources to spend on art, artists can't create.
An artist worth their salt will create with the resources available to them. Artists are a lot like gasses in that way, they'll fill the boundaries of whatever financial situation they're in. They're also like gasses in the sense that they're mostly just a bunch of hot air. Kojima is incidentally a great example of both of those points.

Isn’t this the first time MGS1 will be playable on an Xbox console? Also it’s first developed port since the PC version in 2000? I know it was backwards compatible with Sony systems to a certain point, but not as a new release.

>>9932659
>emulated MGS
I can play it for free on duckstation

>>9935704
>Also it’s first developed port
It's not a port, on screenshots they posted it's clearly emulation in native res in 4x3 with static images on borders

>1 autist can recreate a chunk of MGS1 in VR
>1 giant corporation can release literally no MGS content for PSVR2
Lore wise VR version of MGS1 would actually be more accurate than a non-VR version since that would be the exact version Raiden played.

>>9932727
MG1 and 2 were only part of MGS3: Subsistence, not Snake Eater.

>>9935690
You think Kojima could have made anything he has made without financial backing?

Seriously?

Even his old MSX work required a team and resources. Games are especially difficult to create without money. Films are the most difficult because generally they require a cast and crew and you can make a game on your own. But nobody is making Death Stranding on their own, even if its a bad game (don't know, haven't played it yet), noone is making that game without a budget and a team.

Let's not forget that time is also an incredibly valuable resource for any artist, and one that you can't have if you don't have money coming in from somewhere.

What you said is incredibly unrealistic. Some people out there are in a position to do what you're talking about, but it has nothing to do with whether they're a "real" artist or not. The only reason I'm able to focus on my music is because I've gotten to a point where I make enough money performing to do so, and it takes me a long time to accrue what I need to make music videos and plan the launch of my music. I feel like you've never made anything if you're talking like this.

>>9935617
No, I was trying to be encouraging.

>>9935706
WE FUCKING KNOW. why do you utter SPASTICS think this is a worthy response? It’s like replying to every OP on every board saying “I did a bit of breathing today”. Wankers.

>>9935742
>You think Kojima could have made anything he has made without financial backing?
You've misinterpreted my point. He's made what he's made because he has significant financial backing. My point is that he wouldn't be prevented from creating entirely if he lacked it; he'd work within the confines of his resources and be compelled to create regardless. Lack of finances doesn't stop creative people, but the presence of financial backing will make them inflate their production values to match.

>>9935757
>kino is back on the menu
>it was always here
>NOOOO HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT
Calm down shill

>>9935736
Every rerelease and port of MGS3 except the 3DS version has been sold as Snake Eater but based on Subsistence. Which is what's happening here, since it's just a repackaging of the HD Collection version.

>>9935742
Making a game on your own is much harder than making a film on your own.

>>9932659
I did a bit of breathing today

>>9932659
>original PS1 release + VR missions emulated
>ps3 remaster port
>ps3 remaster port

So the definitive way to play these is still Integral / Substance / Subsistence. I might get it anyway for the MGS1 platinum trophy

>>9934980
While you're at it why not shoot yourself in the kneecaps to piss off people in wheelchairs? Stupid shit like this is why we bully zoomers.

>>9935947
Well you should probably specify “videogame” any game can be made at anytime much easier than making a film.

Sooo... I wanna replay MGS3, do I play the PS2 Subsistance version or the X360 HD port? I have both.

>>9936174
Unless you have a crt go the 360 route.

>>9936174
360 if you don't like pressure sensitivity gimmick

>>9936184
>>9936185
I have a CRT, actually.
My question is, other than the dream sequence where you play that hack and slash demo for five minutes, is there a reason to play the PS2 version over the X360 one? Visual artifacts, cut content, bugs and things like that. The only think I've noticed is that Codec calls take longer to load, and the intro has delayed sound.

>>9936197
Some effects are missing, but it runs better so pick your poison. It's missing the nightmare secret, ape escape and secret theater

>>9936169
This is a video game board so I didn't think I had to specify that.

>>9936197
Ps2 on crt is definitely the way to go then. The only reason not to play the ps2 version is if you don’t have a crt. Mgs2/3 look abysmal on modern displays even upscaled.

That's great Konami but can you put Peace Walker on PC already? Maybe the Castlevania games that aren't already on steam too....

>>9935360
Top down graphics can show off the graphics fine, I just fucking hate the claw.

>>9935806
Aside from the controllable camera and the MSX games, nothing from Subsistence has ever carried over to any rerelease.

>>9936295
>Maybe the Castlevania games that aren't already on steam too....
What's even left? SotN, either version of Rondo I think....Harmony of Despair?

>>9936197
>is there a reason to play the PS2 version over the X360 one?
Yes. The pressure sensitive controls add a subte layer of immersion and its the only game on the ps2 to make good use of it.
>cancel a shot by easing off the "trigger"
>peaking over the grass to maintain cover
>accidentally open an artery during interrogation
I know its a gimick that doesnt add anything to the game but I'm still mad that feature went unappreciated.

>The pressure sensitive controls add a subte layer of immersion and its the only game on the ps2 to make good use of it.

>>9936459
that shit fucking sucked. rip other ports.
gt3 a-spec used that crap, too.

>>9933821
How do I deal with the pressure sensitive stuff tho

>>9936616
Improve, adapt, overcome

>>9936479
No one gives a shit about racing games, dumbo

>>9936459
Prove me wrong faggot

>>9937072
proto-wii tier gimmick, was still on ps3 but no one used it because it was so lame
evolution

>>9936459
The issue has always been that the feature isn't made known enough, at least with triggers the pressure sensitivity is naturally conveyed and they have a large enough throw that even crippled retards can take advantage of it.

>>9936459
More often than not it resulted in misfire, which is why the 360 version has the best controls.

>>9935732
really? i thought the S3 program (aka: the Big Shell incident) was the 'VR' simulation, and Raiden was just generic stuff (like the VR missions we played).

>>9936405
Castlevania Rebirth and all the other Rebirth titles, those deserve way more attention then they got on the Wii, also the DS games, N64 and PS2 titles

>>9937606
True.
But seriously I'd fucking kill for a legit pc version of Harmony of Despair

>>9937581
Huh? It was the final mission for Raiden in the s3 program to try and recreate the events of shadow mosses to make the perfect soldier. It's literally one of the only non cryptic crazy things said at the end of mgs2

>>9933950
>Without kojima tho so whats the point.
that we'll get a complete game without chapters or final mission cut out.

>>9933950
Ghost Babal and Revengeance proved good MG games can be made without him but the question is can modern Konami do it.

>>9933970
>anon, I'm almost 30...
Time to start a family old man, gaming is for kids not your +25yo ass.

They're gonna fuck up the port of 1 horribly, aren't they? I sure can't wait for those fucking abominable CRT filters you guise.

>>9936479
At least you could use the right stick to accelerate in that.

>>9932659
Nah, I already have the HD collection & the Gamecube MGS1.

>>9937616
>the s3 program to try and recreate the events of shadow mosses to make the perfect soldier
You can't have paid that much attention at the end of MGS2. The S3 program wasn't about recreating the conditions required to create the perfect soldier, that was Ocelot's misinterpretation of it. It was "Selection for Societal Sanity", a system for shaping anyone and everyone into whatever the Patriots wanted them to be by manipulating the context of events of their lives.

>>9937615
same but with hard corps uprising

>>9937795
We're probably getting the same as the Castlevania collection. No 4:3 option without shitty filters.

All they have to do is get MGS3 on PC and they'll get my money. I'm foolishly hoping fans will find away to mod the removed subsistence content back in.

>>9938608
>I'm foolishly hoping fans will find away to mod the removed subsistence content back in
You'd have to extract the content from a copy of Subsistence, convert it to a format which matches whatever's used in the port of 3, and then hope the tools exist to implement it into the port. It'll never happen, and the only mods we'll get are Eva nude mods and a bunch of meme camos. People are way too unrealistically optimistic about what kind of mods we'll get whenever they hear a game is getting ported to PC.

>>9938641
>People are way too unrealistically optimistic about what kind of mods we'll get whenever they hear a game is getting ported to PC
They always say this and then get btfo 1 month later

>>9938659
>They always say this and then get btfo 1 month later
It's extremely rare that happens. When was the last time a game without official mod tools had anything close to something as extensive as ported content from an original console version?

>>9938641
The camera mod for the original MGS2 PC port is what made me hopeful. I know it took like twenty years, but maybe, just maybe, anon, in twenty years we will get a complete port of MGS3.

>>9936174
>>9936184
actually, i'm curious since it was hit or miss with 7th gen games, did the HD collection support 4:3 480i? or is it just letterboxed on 4:3 displays?

>>9935717
All the MGS1 screenshots are identical to the ones on the back of the JP case, most likely placeholders

I'm emulating Peace Walker on my laptop. Able to play at 4x native resolutions during gameplay no problem but fps tanks when at motherbase. Any fixes or do i just put up with it?

>>9939110
You just gave me hope. Why would you do that?

>>9933806
>Another series to add to the list of games that are annoying as fuck to google because you only get results for the remakes
At least they're giving the remake a different title and calling it Metal Gear Solid Delta.

No pressure sensitive controls = shit inferior editions
simple as

>>9939376
That game boiled my piss when I first played it. I still don't understand why they removed first person aiming and crawling when it worked in Portable Ops.
It's the only MGS I never bothered with. Is it any good?

>>9939376
Even the HD version drops down to 20 on that screen

>>9939497
If you think of it as a co-op shooter then it's pretty good. Trash MGS game though, one of the worst

>>9939509
Actually good game = trash MGS game, because of course. Nice to have it in writing for once, thanks anon.

>>9938608
Or they could just cut a deal with Sony to get the ape escape shit in there, since they're all PC friendly nowadays and it doesn't seem like it's going to xbox.

>>9939110
>showing Meryl's codec frequency
Spoilers, dude.

>>9939646
>showing Meryl's codec frequency

That shit wasn't funny in 90's when I rented it. Fuck blockbuster for giving me a rental case LOL

>>9939642
Funny how every xbox starting with 360 can run all MGS games (except 1 and 4) and MGR while PS4 and 5 only have the last one

>>9939670
I spent hours trying to look at the "optical disc" Baker gave you for the same reason.

>>9939680
Hahaha yup

>>9939497
It's a grindfest.

>>9939680
Doesn't she contact you eventually? Or maybe Campbell gives you the freq?

>>9939783
Call Campbell enough times and the frequency is quietly slipped onto your speed-dial menu.

>>9933120
>Mednafen
Just use Duckstation.

>>9939497
It is pretty much Monster Hunter: Metal Gear

I'm not too far into yet.

I'm really only playing it because it's a huge chunk of Metal Gear canon I'm missing out on

Played the shit out of Ground Zeroes and Phantom Pain but didn't really know who Chico, Paz, etc were

>>9939498

>>9937780
i also have no hope for the silent hill 2 remake but hey maybe ill be surprised but anyway i wont buy a ps5 until i can get one for like 350 bucks like i did ps4.

>>9936272
Not gonna reply to all the individual posts about CRT's, but one option is to get an HDMI->VGA transcoder, set your console of choice to 480p, and downscale to 480i or use a VGA CRT. It gets a little tricky with a PS4 but an Xbox One (and Xbox One X) can do native 4:3 480p if you fiddle with graphics settings. Certainly made playing Ninja Gaiden Black and the Goldeneye rerelease kinda fun. What's nice is that the Xbox One X will run the MGS games at a higher frame rate. Might not matter with the new ports though. Agreed with a lot of anons that the missing content is a bit of a bummer. Hell, I even have an MSX and a flash cart plus a SNES controller adapter for the original games. Wish I had time.

>>9940362
Given the team making it I would say it's fucked but Silent Hill f looks kinda interesting.

>>9939497
I tried playing it when the HD collection came out, thought "what the fuck is this shit" and dropped it for at least six months. Picked it up after that and immediately got hooked. It's 100% the worst MGS game (except for Portable Ops) in both story and gameplay but it's fun once you get into it.

>was thinking of buying the PS3 legacy collection since it had all the games on it and was like $25-30 bucks
>checked Amazon, it's now $90-100 new, $60+ on ebay as of like 3 months ago for no reason

>>9934014
>putting the minimalist UI for MGS3 with only 2 sets of numbers on screen, against ARPGs with 100 sets of stats, bonuses, effects, and slots that all effect nothing, side by side

>>9932659
with my ps3, i can play everything from metal gear 1 to gta 5.

I literally dont need more.

>>9942016
Jeez. Hopefully the new collection coming out will reduce the price.
You should consider hacking your PS3 as well.

>>9935732
>>9937581
Raiden did MGS1 and Ghost Babel if you want to count the nod to MGS2 in the bonus section.

>>9942386
Yeah I've thought about it, my PS3 is on such old firmware I would probably have a lot of options for hacking it, and I slapped in a 1TB HDD years ago.

>>9942512
He also did the Tanker chapter, but I guess he skipped all of the cutscenes because he doesn't know a lot of details on what actually happened

>>9942516
If you're fine with emulating you could play all the other games on PC and buy MGS4 for PS3. seems like that game is still reasonably priced.

>>9935732
>MGS1 VR exists
holy shit I gotta find this

>>9932712
Peace Walker sucks

>>9939646
>>9939670
>>9939680
>>9939692
>>9939783
>>9939850
You may not believe it, but you can look at the CD case in game and it gives you the codec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaxaXNFrg-A

>>9939680
I did this too because I'd rented the game and didn't have the actual case.

>>9942742
I just wanna say I'm still not happy Kojima made the extremely likeable support team from MGS3, none of whom showed any signs of being evil in anyway, the bad guys of the series.

>>9932919
I want to play it ironically just to play it

>>9935195
>remakes of MG & MG 2
I’ve only been talking about that since MGSV. Remaking these would literally yield endless opportunities, campaigns, and probably even DLC if you make it correctly

>>9942853
Wasn't the point of making people who suffer awful fates for being involved in evil shit into likeable people in the prequel to illustrate how being exposed to vile processes in deep state warfare eventually can turn a good person into a monster?

>>9942925
Those were already "remade", may as well make something new. The series is based around rehashing and recontextualizing same things over and over anyway.

>>9933005
My PS3 died and I have a tradition of playing MGS3 every year in November

Also I like starting from scratch on a new console sometimes because it gives me an excuse to autistically replay the game and get OCD about all the little details like I did the first time. I haven't done a "capture all animals" run in years but now I won't have a save file with that already completed so it's time to do it again

>>9942997
I disagree. You can remake/reimagine them to be slightly different. Some things will be the same but there are many different things to try. For example in just MG alone you can do:
>Training of Young Solid Snake in the form of VR-style drills
>Playable Big Boss/Outer Heaven campaign where you recruit & build up your defenses
>Gray Fox infiltration mission which you get one shot to do and leads you into the capture or mission completion
>implement a Snake tales like “What-if” mode for various characters
>actual Operation N313

That doesn’t even include redoing boss fights like Shootgunner, Fire Trooper, or tank

>>9943145
So, like what MGS1 did? kek

>>9942964
Even if that was the point it was handled so poorly it's almost comedic not to mention they had two games set after MGS3 to show them falling from grace but fuck they barely did that with Big Boss, in a series that loved over explaining things they never showed why the MGS3 team became a bunch of morons who couldn't understand what The Boss told them and the only game that did some of that is POps and that's not canon because Kojima's ego.

Metal Gear on the NES is unironically the only good Metal Gear game.

>>9943173
Wrong

>>9932659
>no Portable Ops
>no Peace Walker
>no Ac!d
>no Ac!d 2
Come on now. At least PW deserves a 60fps port that isn't just stuck on the PS3/Xbox.

>>9932659
Metal Gear Solid was never good

>>9943173
The gameboy color one is quite good

>>9943193
Says volume 1 right there, I assume we'll get PW at least. No chance for AC!D, with PoPs I guess Konami has to decide whether it wants to include it in the nu-canon or not. Wasn't part of Kojima canon but Kojima is gone

>>9943193
It says Vol.1 right there.

>>9942964
>>9943169
Plus if anything, TPP and the existence of Skull Face kinda rolled back Zero turning evil and merely made him a passenger of things going to shit, even if he put the pieces in place to begin with.

>>9943173
It's just the MSX2 version with different level designs and missing features.

>>9943310
>>9943312
Fair. And yeah, fun as they are I doubt we'll see the two Ac!d games at all unless they just say fuck it. I could see PO and PO+ bundled with PW as a thing if they're going for bundles of 3. Or add Ghost Babel as another "portable" game in the series since they're clearly not going for the Solid Snake/Big Boss split. But I doubt it, probably more likely gonna be something with 4.

Most likely Vol. 2 will just be a newly-commissioned port of MGS4 and the HD Edition of PW.

>>9943345
Probably.

>>9943310
PW literally namedrops POPS at the very start, it is canon but not fully because every new Metal Gear retcons all the previous ones
But kokojambo drones are mentally ill and will perform S++ rank mental gymnastics to suck his shrivelled brown penus

>>9932704
Why not play them again? They're all great games

>>9943341
Acid games are sort of sequels to GB so they're their own trilogy

>>9943310
>>9943360
I was always interpreted POps as canon, but not really in a way that matters to the larger MGS narrative.

>>9932713
>no skateboarding, Snake vs monkey, secret theater, or Guy Savage.
Why did they even remove these in the HD collection to start with?

>>9943367
I imagine a mix of licensing issues and porting issues.

>>9943365
None of the prequels really matter, 3 leads to 4 but even then 4 was so shit you can just ignore it

>>9932740
>MGS VR missions
That's pretty based. If they port it to PC and add Snakeboarding back to MGS2 I'll buy it.

>>9943365
It slots in without much consequence so why not really. It's just Big Boss doing things prior to PW.

>>9932659
>pay for emulation

>>9943367
>skateboarding
It was only in the PS2 version because it was a demo advertising a PS2/Gamecube game
>Snake vs monkey
They decided to keep PS3 and 360 versions identical in content
>secret theater
Those were old pre rendered videos on konami website so I guess quality
>Guy Savage
No idea, it was a prototype of ZOE3 I think? Also it has the same camera from subsistence version even in snake eater version
Also MGS3 boss rush mode was cut because they didn't care

>>9935239
I'll agree with you that this board has a lot of contrarians. That said, gatekeeping is a good thing, largely, modern gaming right now is the product of not gatekeeping enough

>>9943360
It's canon just not Kojima's canon. Kind of like Disney Star Wars

>>9943345
And then instead of Volume 3 they release Chapter 3 which will be MGSV with all the content

>>9932659
I only really care if 4 comes to PC at 60fps. Even then I'm not in any rush to replay it.

>9943404
These fucking people, I swear...

>>9942016
I bought it for 30 bucks new like last fall, and that 30 is in leafbucks, idk why the price would have jumped so drastically before the new stuff was even revealed

Vol 2: MGS4, Peace Walker, Revengeance
Vol 3 aka the weird one: Ac!d 1 & 2, Ghost Babal, POps and a modified version of Twin Snakes.

>>9943193
>>9943310
>>9943341
>>9943449
>literally says metal gear SOLID in the op image

>>9943407
I wish people would realise that MGSV is nowhere near as incomplete as people think, it's just a disappointment

>>9933213
Agreed, people here like to bitch so much about authenticity, complaining that these games don't work on modern displays, you're playing on the wrong hardware, etc. but all of them play with shaders on PC. Having these collections is great just for the convenience of just being able to boot them up and play them. Also, there are some games like DMC1 or FFX that rely on lower resolutions to make their effects work, but MGS looks better the higher the resolution, it's a super clean looking series.

>>9943694
Honestly, they could've made MGSV seem less incomplete if they just split the chapters better, and didn't include the rehash missions under the main storyline.
>Chapter 1 is Afghanistan
>Chapter 2 is the first half of Africa
>Chapter 3 is the second half of Africa
>Chapter 4 is returning to Afghanistan to stop Skull Face
>Chapter V is the post Skull Face stuff that was called Chapter 2 in the final game

>>9943786
They could have made it more complete if they ditched the awful open world shit and re-wrote the entire story because holy fuck did it suck, how the fuck do you make a Metal Gear with no memorable boss fights.

Not gonna make a new thread and I’m sure there’s been one before but why is picrel so cheap when the ps2 version had 2 separate releases and goes for like 40-50 dollars. Is it just the slowdown or did they cut content from the version that was supposed to have more content?

>>9943838
No skateboarding

>>9943381
>skateboarding
>It was only in the PS2 version because it was a demo advertising a PS2/Gamecube game
Pretty sure that was in the PS3 and PS4 versions, too.

>>9943838
Xbox games are last of that generation that are not overpriced.

>>9943786
Almost as if that was the point
They could've just removed the cutscene with Eli and the gang stealing the mech and kept all the cut stuff secret like with previous games but they didn't, in fact they did the opposite of that.

>>9943838
The Xbox version has slowdown, is missing the skateboarding minigame, and Xbox games in general are not really sought after

Appreciate the info on the Xbox release ty.

>>9943407
>>9943694
Chapter 3 was just a symbolic title card meant to show up after the Truth mission, much like Chapter 15 in Death Stranding. They just left it unused since they didn't want to create the impression there was more to the game after The Truth, especially after the Kingdom of the Flies DLC got canned.

The Japanese title is 共生/Kyousei, which means Co-existence and it's the word that Ocelot uses to describe his truce with Miller at the end of the game.

>>9943904
It also refers to the post-game FOB faggotry, deterrence or eventual disarmament

Why is this off topic thread still up?

>>9943016
So you'd rather buy a modern console that's far more expensive than a console that came out in 2006 to play a game from 2004?

>>9933083
Does setting the clock forward 2 weeks do something to this boss? Gives him time to get over covid? He packs up his shit cause he's tired of waiting to snipe you?

>>9943941
specifically to upset you, your highness

>>9944024
It makes him die of old age while waiting for you to show up.

>>9944024
The End is a bit odd in that you can get him in three ways, one is when he appears on a map after a cutscene and you can just snipe him while he can't fight back, the other is to just wait for him to die after you're in his arena because he's so old that he'll die of old age within a week or two IRL time and the third is to do the fight normally.
Highly recommend just fighting him because it's a fun fight.

>>9943151
>so what MGS1 did?
No. You don’t get to play as Big Boss or Fox. Nice try. 1/10

>>9944171
can you theoretically get to his fight and just not play for 2 weeks? Do you have to cheese it on the calendar?

>>9944446
>You don’t get to play as Fox
You do in the VR Missions add-on.

>>9944812
That’s nice, but this isn’t about VR missions. It’s about redoing the story to where Fox infiltrates outer heaven and gets caught. The point of this is you have tons of content ideas when it comes to remaking MG & MG2

It's funny when people talk about remaking the MSX Metal Gears (or any of the old MGS games for that matter), it's always about adding some corny fan-fiction shit and never about what kind of game it should be.

>>9944769
You could wait that long. However, if you’re going for a specific rank like Tschinoko, Fox, Makhor, or basically have food that you need to last, you’re SOL

The moss camo & mosin is well worth actually fighting him

>>9944835
There’s no actual fanfic. In those, unless you’re talking about shipping people.

>>9944835
that's because the biggest thing people bitch about with MGS is that kojima didn't write the story to the spec of their fanfics and headcanons, nobody really has an issue with the gameplay
then only exception is MGS4 when he wrote the most fanservicey story imaginable with total cynicism, and then everyone bitches about the cutscene density required to cram it all in

>>9944838
even if you log off, the game still eats food? That's pretty based if true. I dont even think MMOs did that at the time.

>>9945045
No, food simply spoils over time, even if you're not playing. However, the game only compares the clock time when you save, to the clock time when you reload that save, so you could theoretically not play for months, set the clock to only a few minutes after your last save, and have unspoiled food.
However, Snake will also heal during log off, and it's the most consistent form of health recovery in the game. The more time that passes between play sessions (and the more stamina Snake has before you save), the more health recovery when you reload that save.

>>9945082
wow there is some truly strange mechanics going on with this game. Are the previous metal gears like this? I feel like Kojima/developers spent a lot of time thinking about little things like what you just explained. Even games like Everquest, which had food and water and it corresponded to health and mana regen, didn't incorporate the length of time between log ons. Almost feels like resting at inn albeit in Metal Gear. Are there any other cool obscure mechanics like this you know off the top of your head? I've always been fascinated by MGS but never played any of them.

>vol. 1
so... are they eventually going to reissue MGS4 on other platforms?

>>9932659
Useless if MGS3 isn't ported into a PC game. At least they replaced shitty Piss Walkfer with MGS1 which is nice.

>>9939070
The X360 forces letterbox. At least Peace Walker, I didn't try it with MGS2 or 3. Dunno about the PS3.

>>9943954
not him but i had 2 ps3 die on me (one backward compatible model and a slim) and even one i tried to repair,it was the first console to die on me beside an atari 2600 that died in 2000 so i dont want to buy a third one just for it to die on me.

>>9946002
If they did that would be the one good thing coming out of all this. I kinda hate MGS4 but it's too important of a game to still be stuck on PS3 to this day.

>>9946070
I'd like to replay it on PC at least to re-evalute it but yeah the memories are not good.
I just remembered that codec call with Otacon where he asks you put put in Disc 2, but then remembers it's a Blu-Ray so you don't have to... and then the game has to pause to re-install content anyway... which is slower than just putting a new disc in.

>>9945992
Nothing comes to mind. I still think 3 was the peak of survival mechanics in MGS, although there are probably tons of non MGS games that are much better in that regard.

>>9946085
I bought a PS3 in 2008 specifically because of MGS4. Once the first playthrough hype and seeing the Shadow Moses fanservice wore off I instantly felt it was a mistake. Giving MGS2 a sequel was a huge mistake, that's why 3 was fine. Also with Fukushima leaving the overall writing quality went off a cliff.

>>9945992
kojima had a reputation for packing the strangest little mechanics and details into his games before video game tech advanced to where we are now, every MGS has its own obscure shit which no other game had tried to do before it, right up to MGSV
look up the secrets for each game and you'll get a list of all the wild shit he was cramming, there's literally too much for me to list

>>9946093
MGS4 was a perfect storm of Kojima being 1000% done with Metal Gear at the time and . I feel like everyone just collectively chose to forget that he originally stated that he wasn't going to be involved, and only came back due to massive pressure including death threats towards him and his family, which is why the box of melons when the Gekko is trying to find him has "No place for Hideo" stamped on the side.
>Also with Fukushima leaving the overall writing quality went off a cliff.
The Fukushima thing is a massive fucking meme with no basis in reality. He was an incidental dialogue writer, "the guy who secretly made MGS writing good" is easily dispelled by the fact that he has no other meaningful writing credits to his name, which he certainly would if he was some kind of low key genius. It's literally just cope for people who grew up and found themselves less capable of dealing with fresh Kojima bullshit when they don't have a child's ability to take it in their stride.

>>9946539
Yeah man, MGS going to shit just happened to coincide with Fukushima fucking off. It's almost like you don't know how corporate hierarchy works in Japan. People don't get recognition, ever. And Kojima's team was probably fine with letting his auteur persona meme endure.
The GBC game was written by Fukushima and it was pretty good as well.

>>9946539
>>9946562
Give him some credit, he also wrote Ghost Babel and directed Snake Tales.
Also MGS writing got worse not because Fukushima left but because Murata became a co-writer for the series.

>>9946562
>The GBC game was written by Fukushima and it was pretty good as well.
It really wasn't, very bland rehash of MGS1's story and cut concepts.

>>9946562
Correlation doesn't equal causation, especially in the absence of any kind of supporting evidence for Fukushima's supposed legendary writing ability. You want to believe it, but the proof simply isn't there outside of the fact you don't like the entries after his departure.

>>9946565
>Give him some credit, he also wrote Ghost Babel and directed Snake Tales
That's such a low fucking bar, though. Like >>9946570 said, Ghost Babel was just a rewrite of MGS1 for GBC. The title itself is just a loose synonym of "Shadow Moses". Snake Tales was entertaining, but jesus christ, let's not pretend it was anywhere close to being well written enough to deserve praise on par with MGS2 itself.

>>9946584
>That's such a low fucking bar
I was being sarcastic. Should've put a "lol" at the end maybe

>>9946793
My bad. It's hard to know for sure any time the Fukushima meme resurfaces.

>>9933005
Me :3

The most annoying thing about Fukushima truthers is that they act as if writing quality is some objectible truth and not subject to personal taste and preference.

Let's not forget that MGS2 was one of the most divisive and polarizing during its days and only years after it's release, when fans started researching it's themes that there was more appreciation towards it. Most of these Fukushimafags would written off Kojima as a hack because of MGS2 back in its day and dismissed MGS1 as a fluke, assuming they didn't already.

>>9947239
I really don't understand some people's pathological need to deprive kojima of any kind of acknowledgment for his writing. We've seen several non-kojima mgs games at this point, and yeah some of them have been pretty solid games in their own right, but every one of them is missing that one common element which stops any of them from spiritually feeling like an actual mgs game. There's no denying that he's wildly self indulgent and his writing won't be winning the booker prize any time soon, but whether you like it or not, everything mgs will be remembered for is because of him.

>>9947284
It's a combination of contrarianism and celebrity worship (or rather the opposite of it). It happens to all major creators who gather enough fans with high expectations that when their newer work don't live up to said (mostly unrealistic) expectations, those disillusioned fans suddenly turn against the creator by deciding that early work must've only been a success because of the committee behind it and said committee was the true talent all along (aka The George Lucas Effect).

>>9947239
It was divisive because it was part of the point retard. 2 gave the finger to a lot of the people that loved the first game, and also said fuck sequels. 2 was a fluke in some ways but not in others. No one understood metanarratives in a videogame and a lot of its themes needed time to be vindicated, by design.
You're doing the exact opposite of what you claim people are doing. Kojima worship, as if he proven himself with 1/2/3, therefore he can do no wrong for here on out. Every game with Big Boss aside from 3 was completely unnecessary, meandering and poorly written. His Hollywood worship finally went out of control, Death Stranding is fucking embarrassing.
Did you know they had a box in the office where any employee could drop an idea or tip in, during MGS2's development? Nah, I bet you still think god king Kojima did it all by himself.
He either let his reputation go over his head, or he stopped having team members that said no every once in a while.

>>9948257
>Every game with Big Boss aside from 3 was completely unnecessary, meandering and poorly written.
Which is kinda fitting, since MGS3 was completely unnecessary, meandering and poorly written. it was a safe rehash of MGS1 that Kojima only wrote because hypocritical brainlets like you misunderstood MGS2.

>Did you know they had a box in the office where any employee could drop an idea or tip in, during MGS2's development? Nah, I bet you still think god king Kojima did it all by himself.
And how is this exactly proof that Kojima is a hack! If anything, it shows how open-minded and versatile Kojima is. Nobody is saying that he coded, voice-recorded and did the polygon model for all these games by himself.

>>9948264
If you understood 2 at all you wouldn't be defending the slop that came afterwards. You've stopped making sense, stop projecting.

>>9948276
>If you understood 2 at all you wouldn't be defending the slop that came afterwards. Y
If you understand Kojima at all, you would know how all these games fit together in the overall scheme in spite of their seeming contradictions and retcons. You're a non-fan who only cares whether Kojima is contradicting your headcanon or not.

It's kinda hypocritical to say MGS PW and V were unnecessary prequels compared to MGS3, when MGS3 itself was an unnecessary prequel. Big Boss was just a villain in a couple of MSX games whose only relevance in MGS1 and 2 was the fact that he was retconned to be Solid Snake's clone daddy because they needed an excuse to give Snake a couple of siblings (Liquid and Solidus). MGS3 might as well had been a soft reboot, considering Kojima expressed regret that he turned Solid Snake into a clone and realized he would've preferred a more natural protagonist, and the story was pretty much stand-alone with barely any connection to MGS1-2 until Kojima felt the need to force a long-winded explanation on how it was connected to those games.

>>9948290
yes anon, he knew what he was doing from the very start and playing everyone like a fiddle. hail god king kojima

>>9948341
Well, he has directed and produced a million-selling video game franchise, while you're here shitposting on a forum.

>>9948257
I really hate it when internet nerds like this guy use the word "unnecessary" to describe a prequel (or sequel for that matter) that they didn't like, because in the end of the day, none of this shit is "necessary" to begin with. If your biggest necessity in your life is having an anticipated sequel to your favorite game/movie/book/whatever live up to whatever unreasonably high expectations you might have in your head, then chances are that you must've lived a pampered life with little to no real struggle.

>>9948381
we're on a fucking anonymous videogame board you fucking moron. I don't give a shit about your struggles or your need to virtue signal.

>>9948390
Learn to use words correctly then.

>>9948381
You sound like the type of guy who jacks off to himself in the mirror.

all this salt because kojima didn't write stories that validated their headcanon
sad

>>9948341
MGS is a fucking kabuki drama using the military industrial complex as a backdrop. It's a vehicle for Kojima's philosophies and observations wrapped up in a shitload of high melodrama, it always has been, and it's never been anything else. Even Death Stranding essentially follows that same template. I have no idea what else you expect from it, because if you don't like the later games, I genuinely have no fucking clue how you ever liked the earlier ones.

>>9948521
because they were good. it's not rocket science.

>>9948530
I don't think you have the restraint and articulation to qualify that without making hyperbolic le hackjima memes.

>>9948534
there's no point articulating, you're delusional. probably from /v/ too, there's been a lot of Kojima shitposting there recently.

>>9948538
>there's no point articulating
There is if you're arguing in good faith and want to be seen as having the most basic understanding of the thing you're bitching about. What a completely retarded attitude.

>>9948543
No, you're intentionally ignoring how retarded the canon got after 3 under the guise of "it never mattered it was just a vessel for him to say shit he wanted". It's cute you'd bring arguing in good faith when you're clearly not. I don't know how many bullshit non reasons to excuse shit writing but I'm not buying any of them. I don't think Fukushima was a secret genius nor do I think that him leaving alone is a big enough reason for MGS to fall off a cliff, but you don't get a co-writer credit by doing irrelevant side dialogue. He was also obviously being polite to his boss by downplaying his contributions.
MGS2 put himself into a corner. And that's a good thing, it was the greatest game he made and it should not have gotten a sequel. But it did and it undermined everything the game was going for, I don't care what sort of mental gymnastics you do to believe that was a good thing.

>>9948558
I don't see you justifying a single thing you've said, just vague assertions about shit being retarded and bad. You clearly can't explain yourself, only express your impotent anger.

>>9948572
And you're playing devil's advocate for a series that you've probably never played in its entirety.

>>9932659
I can't think of a more iconic game that stuck with me so much in my late teens/early adult years that just disappeared. Thank god the series is getting re-released for zoomers.

>>9948573
There's no way either of us can prove that we have, but you're wrong. Why is your entire argument rooted in making speculations that can't be proven or disproven? I'm happy to demonstrate my experience and understanding of the series if you'll make some arguments that don't lean entirely on vague, speculative insults.

>>9935806
>minimal edits to copyrighted contents
So I guess they cut out the black and white film footage from MGS2

>>9948558
>No, you're intentionally ignoring how retarded the canon got after 3
bro we're ackchually clones of big boss
bro i live in ocelot's arm
dude bro illuminati
series peaked with MG2 and everything after was just copying it with more and more retarded anime shit

>>9948595
the canon has always been so stupid that it's basically irrelevant except as a way of delivering the themes of each game, and if you don't care about getting into the themes then there was never going to be any kind of lasting appeal for you
this is a series with characters called big boss and solid snake, this alleged integrity the canon once had never actually existed but the thematic aspect has been consistent the whole time

>>9948615
This. MGS writing has always been comic book schlock that took itself too seriously since its inception, it's just that you were succeptible to schlocky writing when you were younger. Like everyone who makes fun of MGSV for it's vocal chord parasites forgets that Liquid came back as a ghost arm in MGS2.

>>9949360
and also you can still enjoy schlocky writing as an adult if you don't have a stick up your ass and don't take yourself more seriously than MGS' writing takes itself

>>9943363
Okay
*goes back to playing the ones he already has*

>>9949360
>MGS writing has always been comic book schlock
>It's like one of my Japanese animes!
And everyone thought it was a simple joke.

>(HD Collection version)

>>9948595
>series peaked with <insert my favourite game here>
Why is it so hard for you people to simply admit you don't like this type of media any more? You don't need to rewrite history because you grew out of a piece of media, anon. I used to love shonen anime as a teenager, now I can't sit through more than five minutes of it without wanting to slit my wrists.

>>9949594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85IEh1vRATQ

>>9949608
>series starts as a somewhat grounded parody of 80s action movies
>mutates more and more into kureizi anime trash with each entry
>"t-that's, like, ur opinion dood u just grew out of it lmao"
I don't even like MG2 that much as a game, but every story after it gets worse and worse with tasteless wacky shit like fatman, the entire cobra unit and everything from MGS4. Thankfully cutsenes and codecs are skippable.

>>9949646
yeah running man was totally more dignified and respectworthy than anything that came after it
you disingenuous clown

>>9949570
Personally I wouldn't have it any other way. If you want a more grounded MGS without the superhero schlock, there's always Splinter Cell

>>9948558
>but you don't get a co-writer credit by doing irrelevant side dialogue. He was also obviously being polite to his boss by downplaying his contributions.
Those filler codec dialogue are almost as long as the main parts of the script, so it's not as senseless as you might think. Although most of the Tanker (including codecs) was written by Kojima alone, since only he was credited in the demo that came with ZOE.

>>9949748
>running man
Not even the wackiest MG2 character

This garbage ass “game” is beyond retardation,
>psx / 3do graphics
>Fps that makes shadow of the colossus look like real life in comparison
>mgs3 is all piss green ull think a turtle just swallowed u
>cutscenes r mostly porno with one in mgs3 being gay porn
>mgs3 shitass james bond ripoff soundtrack
>controls r clunky as fuk it should b called uncontrol
>doesnt tell u how to do things
>u have to figure out things by yourself
>suppressors have to b manually equipped
>barely any ammo is found
>mgs3 snake is so american and patriotic that hes hungry all the time no matter how much mcdonalds he stuffs his face with
>health randomly goes down
>boss fights r broken, specially that spider one
>tits tits and more tits, im here to play a game not jerk off
Oh wOw Eem GeE EeEs iS bESt gEeeEm

>>9951125
you could have just said "bump" instead of this weird larp

>>9949646
mg2ss has you distract a guard by hatching an owl egg and having it hoot ala looney tunes. mg had you fight the terminator. GROUNDED!