/vr/ - Retro Games

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>>9918964
What are you doing op

>>9920724
Shits fucked so I’m just troubleshooting right now.

Tri dot

>>9918964
Posted this in last thread. Got a Sony BVM D201FU that I had in the garage, tried to power it on and now it's not giving a Power/Standby light. The light on the Power board is on, I checked the test points on it, it has +15V -15V and 8/5V fine. The fan on the expansion card powers on too, not really sure where the power is stopping.

It doesn't even degaus when powering on. It's such a fucking pain to take apart though.

Unsure if the power board isnt giving ENOUGH power or if there's a fuse or breaker somewhere after the power board, because it's definitely giving voltage to the expansion cards but not the tube and control panel.

>>9920791
>It doesn't even degaus when powering on.
When I say power on here I mean flipping the switch in the back, I actually cant power it on because the control panel doesnt power it on and doesnt give a standby light.

Searching on the net I can only find one dude with a power issue and he got a standby light

>>9920791
https://www.repairfaq.org/samnew/tvfaq/tvnopicorns.htm Try this or related sections of this site

>>9920814
Thanks but this is just general CRT shit, I've been looking at the BVM D201FU schematics to follow the power flow. Just kinda hoping maybe another anon heard of this before I dive in.

Cow

>>9920791
Don't know squat about Sony televisions. But on B&O sets if you got a standby light
changed caps etc and it fails to power the tube then you have a faulty power ic BUT12AF.

>>9920791
you'll need to check where the power is stopping, definitely a component failure somewhere, might be easy if you had a thermal camera but I guess you just have to run a continuity check from the power board

Anyone know how to lessen the static when you first turn on a CRT?
I've noticed that my hair and dandruff tends to stick to the glass and it's a pain to clean off.

>>9921113
Thanks. I actually do have an infrared tool. I have an Agilent U5855A. Problem is it's so fucking hard to see anything the way this CRT is framed.

I was looking at the block diagram in the service manual last night and it looks like the control unit that shows the standby light and controls the power button gets its power from the deflection board. I've verified that there's +5v/+15/+130V all coming from the power board, so I'm guessing there's something wrong in the deflecftion board. Will begin trying to probe and look it over today.

>>9920770
Be careful with the tube, make sure to discharge it before fucking around.

>>9921789
come on now. OP owns a multi-meter AND a screwdriver. I think he knows what he's doing

>>9921829
>hyphen

>>9921838
multi--meater*
tanks anon. Boy was my face sure was read

Is this Trinitron fucked up beyond repair, /vr/os?

>>9921961
looks like convergance issue, you can probably make it better by fucking with the rings and/or buying some magnet strips, but if you're a novice would not recommend.

>>9921961
I feel like the focus is fucked up too, which model is that?
Dynamic convergence can be fixed, even if it takes a bit of work, but not dynamic focus.

>>9922376
the focus would probably improve with the convergence

I finally plugged in my ViewSonic P815 21" CRT Monitor with USB Hub that I bought last year from an e-waste facility here in Australia. It even has RGB BNC inputs. It says on the back sticker that it was made in Japan in March 2000. I took the back cover off and it looks like it was actually made by Panasonic rather than ViewSonic. I have heard these kind of CRT monitors are actually better for higher-resolution content rather than stuff like PS1 games? I still play my PS1 and Wii on a 27" Sony Trinitron ProFeel CRT TV.

>>9922587
That rgb is just vga, it will not play your consoles with few exceptions.

My tv suddenly stopped displaying colors properly, everything looks reddish/black and the image seems zoomed in. There was a strong burnt smell but outside of that it seems to work like normal. I haven't opened it yet but what could be the cause? I doubt I'll be able to repair it but I'm curious.

>>9922318
>rings
No don’t fuck with that
>>9921961
There should be a little focus knob on either the flyback or on the neck board
You have to give it aver so slight turn while you tv is on to calibrate and when I say slight I mean it

>>9922587
You can buy old monitors from e-waste facilities? I haven't seen any in my area, but I'm glad that you can do that, rather than them just junking them.

>>9922837
Not many allow that unfortunately

what are some tips for buying big ass CRTs? i want something massive for comfy couch gaming but i don't want it to look absolutely awful

>>9922934
I see quite a few later model consumer CRTs on swap websites like gumtree or kijiji still. They might not be PVM quality, but they're often really good with component input etc.

>>9922934
usually I see a ton of 36" sets just sit around because they're too big for anyone to take, but I've also seen people have success by advertising a "we'll get that big tv out of your den for free" service

>>9922934
Just take into consideration controller cable length if you’re planning to sit at a distance

KV-36FV310 price check? Not a "trying to get rid of it" seller but a "I know what I have" kind of seller

>>9923113
don't bother, I bet he wants a grand

>>9922746
Caps or flyback

how likely is it to find anything worthwhile at an ewaste/erecyling center? the ones in my area are still pretty far and i don't want to waste my time

>>9923113
In this case he might know exactly what he has
Considering that's probably the best consumer Sony set you can buy and that size is especially rare
I'd probably go up to a couple hundred
>>9923257
depends entirely on the business and staff

>>9923257
Do they allow you to pick things out the dumpsters? My local recycling center doesn't and there's always CRTs in there that look salvagable, understandable I guess but it pisses me off.
But they have an attached shop where they sell good condition and tested donated electronics though for cheap, I've got a few CRTs from there

>>9923084
this is such a pain-in-the-ass with my PS2. the maximum length of all the cables is about 3 metres so the viewing distance is too close for comfort.

>>9923380
>3 metres
>too close
What the hell anon, how big is your CRT?

>>9923113
>36 inches
Free, get that shit out of my house

>>9922732
But it looks like the same RGB outputs that are on a PVM monitor? It has a separate VGA output. Similar to pic attached.

>>9922837
I have one nearby here in Australia where select items are on sale, but I rarely see CRT monitors there and even more rarely CRT TV's.

>>9923678
INPUTS
Yes, they are the same BNC connectors found on PVMs, but notice how there are separate terminals for H and V sync. But even if you split the RGBS signal into RGBHV, the monitor still won't take 15kHz, which is what the majority of /vr/ consoles output. The only thing you'll be able to run on it is 480p from the likes of Dreamcast and onwards.

>>9923243
Thanks. I had it repaired a few weeks ago because it wouldn't turn on and I think they changed the flyback too, maybe it was a faulty component or wasn't installed properly.

>>9923634
Do people not like big CRTs?

>>9923858
playing on them is great
having them in your house is a burden

>>9923875
Ya think so? Just put 'em on a big cart on wheels or something

I wanna use a capture device for my retro consoles, but still play on a CRT. Anyone know of any decent capture devices that use composite, S-video, or component?

>>9923889
consider how many here are out of shape and have no friends that would help them move it. Had to get rid of a 32" Sony like that once because fuck me, not moving 125 pounds of tv.

>>9918964
I want to gut the insides of a crt and make a sleeper all-in-one PC

>>9924000
You're probably best off using a standard HDMI capture card (Elgato or equivalent) with something like an OSSC

>>9922318
>but if you're a novice would not recommend.
Like if I wanna fuck with these, man. I'm gonna find some wizard out in the town who could do this. If one guy could repair a 30-years-old amplituner, then he might be able to do the same with a CRT.
>>9922376
>which model is that?
It's a KV-25C5A.
>>9922773
>There should be a little focus knob on either the flyback or on the neck board
Like I said before, I'm not touching anything inside since I'm no qualified technician and I don't wanna an hero myself repairing some old CRT for retro vidya.

>>9924031
You won’t an hero because you’re not going to touch the anode
Grow some balls

>>9924009
So playing on my HDTVs anyway? That's kinda disappointing, but if I want to record/stream anything, I guess it's my best option...

>>9924072
Oh I mean, just use a splitter to have one output go to your CRT and one output to go to your OSSC + capture card

>$1k consumer CRT, local pickup only
do people actually fall for this

>>9924005
one time someone dumped a 120+ lb Memorex TV in my parking spot of all places. I couldn't even get it onto my skateboard to wheel it to the trash
if you can lift something like that then cool, but it's not something physically possible for me even if I excercised

>>9924005
Are there really people out there that can't find a single friend or family member to do something like this?

>>9924073
Oh, okay. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Reminds me that I've been wanting to get a splitter for all my retro games anyway, so that way I can have them all hooked up at once.

>>9924090
Splitters+switches are godsend. I'm sure some autist will tell me that it's going to degrade the signal noticably or something, but it's super convenient if you have multiple consoles and are lazy/don't want to have to access the backside of your TV to swap 'em out.

>>9924031
>KV-25C5A
Good TV. I think it's the same as my KV-25X5K, they share the tube and chassis. Specs are identical, too, apart from the fact that the A is an Italian model.
What area are you in? I'm looking for someone good near Kraków just to have a backup in case one of my CRTs fails and I'm unable to repair it myself. I've repaired some amplifiers, CD players, etc. in the past, but never worked on a CRT. I'm willing to try if mine ever shits the bed though. Do share if you find someone good at repair/calibration.
Here's the service manual, it has the focus and convergence adjustment procedure explained in detail if you ever want to try to do it yourself: http://freeservicemanuals.info/en/servicemanuals/viewmanual/Sony/KV25C5A/KV25C5B/KV25C5D/KV25C5E/

By the way, I don't have an SD2SNES, but if the space below the interface should be black, then it's not on your TV, you're getting gray scanlines. I don't know what mode you are using, but the sport and movie presets are kinda bad (both are too bright, the sport mode also has terrible colors). For the best picture, go to manual mode and adjust your brightness and contrast. Do this in a dark room.
Put up a brightness/color ramp pattern, turn the brightness all the way down and go up until you stop getting black crush. You might have to give up some shadow detail for perfect blacks or the other way around, it's up to you. 3-5 clicks from the bottom should be OK. Then adjust the contrast so all the levels are distinguishable, bright enough and not getting blown out to white.
Don't worry if the picture seems dark after the adjustment, you'll get used to it. Unless you play in a really bright room, then you'll probably have to compromise by turning the contrast up a bit.

>>9924078
They do.

>>9924309
>$3,300 Shrek CRT
I kneel.

Is there a component alternative to RGB-Pi? Why does everybody but me have SCART ports in their TVs?

Long story short, using a CRT regularly for the first time since I was young, I'm surprised at all the details and quirks regarding CRTs I never knew about. Never knew about overscan, the difference between composite and component, geometry, all that. It's strange to me, I never ever noticed how so many games had black bars on the top or bottom of the screen during normal play. Like Crash Bandicoot and Xenogears on the original playstation. Just a big black bar on the top as if your television isn't calibrated correctly, when in fact it is. If you 'fix' the screen position for those aforementioned games, you break every other game for every other console. Maybe I had massive monster overscan on my old televisions as a kid.
Can anyone tell what TV is being used in this photo that was taken in 2010? I don't remember what it was.

>>9925514
You could just use a transcoder like rgb2comp

>>9924309
>The casting couch reflection in the Shrek TV
kek

>>9918964
MGS2 is so good,i got filtered the first time i played it but damn its good,i think my favorite mgs will forever be the first one tho.

>>9925565
>The casting couch
anon, that is literally just a couch, I think you might need to step away from the internet for a while

I'm the luckiest anon in this general because I had a very good CRT to game on when I was a kid and it still sits in my bedroom
I'm also extremely worried about the day it will eventually die on me since it's a 25+ years old tv and I already know I will be devastated

>>9923694
Yeah that's what I was saying in my original post; that I've heard these PC CRT's aren't actually good for low-resolution 240p type content. I think the default resolution of my ViewSonic is 1600 x 1200; which is basically 4:3 version of 1920 x 1080 (16:9)?

>>9926956
That's why you need a main CRT and a back-up CRT. I have a 27" Sony Trinitron ProFeel for all my retro gaming that is apparently from 1989 but still works beautifully, but I also have a 14" Sony Trinitron PVM in my wardrobe as future back-up that was made in 2002. I also have a 21" ViewSonic PC CRT made by Panasonic in 2000. The sad thing is that these things are getting harder to find, especially in good condition.

>>9924309
what the fuck
in 2030 when my tv dies what then
spending 500 usd for a composite only trinitron?

Got a KV- 32FS200 about 2 weeks. I love it. Still figuring out how to take a pic of it.

Heard the flat screens had geometry issues but this one was fine after some tweaks.

>>9927729
I can already see it has some geometry issues

>>9927734
this is pre fix I love it.

>>9927570
*>composite only trinitron with horrible geometry and convergence
ya

>>9927570
Just get a new bulb.

Posted this in another thread but I’ll ask here too; I found a iLo dtv2794b for around $50, is it worth picking up? It was made in 2007 by Funai apparently.

>>9924031
crts are often adjusted live with internals. there's some basic safety but everything accessible will not kill you brother.

>>9924309
>sold
seems like fraud

>>9928162
After Bidenflation a $3300 shrek crt is a steal

bumpan

>>9924309
Seeing these prices makes me hope my current tv lasts forever. The geometry on it is imperfect in a minor way, it's not noticeable watching tv, or when playing most games. Otherwise it is sold as a rock.

>>9931467
*takes a quick look at local ads*
Yep, still tens of TVs for 20€ or less. And that's only in the 30km around my area.

>>9928162
Seems like you're coping.

>>9931828
i got all my end game sets in 2013 for mostly $0 so i don't know what's bothering you baby

Someone is selling a Dell E773C for like 25 bucks, should I bite?

new tv! found it on the side of the road

>>9932718
>80s Magnetbox
Well it isn't nothing I guess

>>9927729
Yeah that geometry is not so good

>>9921090
>BUT12AF
Brother, I have a US B&O MX 5500 that I have been working on for about a year. Same symptoms you described. I don't think it has that particular IC, do you have any insight?

>>9932493
no. not even worth copping ever

>>9931919
That anon was saying you were coping that they are selling. The cope if you believe they won't sell for an outrageous price. Please work on your reading comprehension, hun.
Captcha: AGV KYS

>>9933137
US B&O sets are completely different internally can't help you mate sorry.

>>9933593
Lol, this is my curse. Thanks though!

>>9933581
yes ebay has never been used to manipulate the secondary market fraudulently; i can smell the seethe on ur post kek

>>9933701
Again, learn reading comprehension, I was explaining it to you because you completely missed the point. I'm not saying they are or ar not selling, I have no horse in this race. Project harder topkek.

>>9931467
It will take a long, long, time for prices to normally get like that, in my opinion. The people who brought those TVs in my original post are the exact type of retards who buy and sell Bing Bing Wahoo 2 at absurd prices. They fell for the meme and the sellers milked them for all it's worth.
>>9927570
>in 2030
How old is your set anon? Modern CRTs can potentially last decades if not a lifetime unless you aren't using it for every waking hour without turning it off.

>>9934926
People who buy that stuff for insane prices usually have jobs that pay well.
That shrek buyer has to be some richfag who wanted it for the meme value and money was no object.

>>9935103
>People who buy that stuff for insane prices usually have jobs that pay well.
NO THEY DON'T EXIST SEE >>9928162 EVERYONE'S COPING

>>9935126
The fact that it's from mexico does seem a little suspicious but ebay fees are like 15%. You think some poorfag would gamble $450 trying to manipulate the market?
Also I had coworkers buying 420 dogecoin at $.69 just for the meme value. Never underestimate the power of memes and the dominance of the financial economy over the real economy.

>>9932493
>>9932493
70kHz monitors are pretty good for linedoubled 480p

>new old stock flybacks in Europe are for the most found on sites from Poland, Romania, Hungary that don't offer international shipping
Anyway Eldor and HR Diemen made good flybacks.
What a pain.

>>9923274
>Do they allow you to pick things out the dumpsters? My local recycling center doesn't and there's always CRTs in there that look salvagable

I'm at the point where I just take it anyways. The recycling center doesnt need that 1/4 gram of gold so bad that they have to trash irreplaceable tech.

If any of the workers see me walk out of the shed with it and complain I just say "you know, i decided to not get rid of it after all, sorry." They dont remember who drops off what.

Its a shame that I have to steal other peoples garbage, but we live in a society. Back in 2007 before recycling tech was the trend you could just take anything from the local recycling center. Thats how i got my first TV as a kid.

$40 boys
How did I do?
Still need to get a db15 to VGA adapter want to plug it into my PC and play Vidya on it.

>>9936973
Doesn’t this have an insane fixed scan rate of like 720p 66Hz

>>9936980
It says 640x480 at 66.7hz

>>9936987
I would be worried that it won’t look right without the original video card, plus it seems very restrictive. What are you going to use it for?

>>9936992
Really just to emulate anything up to PS1 games on it. I've done it with a crt I don't have anymore and wanted something smaller.