/vr/ - Retro Games

Steve (L) and Gary (R)

>>9900332
Bilbo and Dildo

>>9900332

Silver Sonic and Mecha Sonic. I'm sick of pretending otherwise.

>>9900332
Mecha Sonic as he's clearly inspired by Mecha Godzilla.
While the other is Mecha Sonic MkIII, I think.

>>9900332
Metallic sonic and robotic sonic

Bimmy & Jimmy

>>9900332
Chuck and Spike

>>9900332
robot sonics

Mecha Sonic and Metal Sonic.

I don't claim those names to be but that's what everyone called them when I was dating your mother.

>>9900332
Mecha Sonic (MK I)
Mecha Sonic (MK II)

>>9900515

zoomer spotted.

>>9900378

This is the only right answer. Everyone else is either stupid or trolling.

>>9900553
Yeah, for whatever reason the Sonic Fandom Wiki lists them as Mecha Sonic Mk I and Mk II but I always heard it as Silver Sonic and Mecha Sonic. They call the one from Sonic Adventure Mecha Sonic Mk III.

>>9900378
>>9900560
>>9900553
Silver Sonic is the derpy-looking robot with a visor from Sonic 2 (Master System).

>>9900332
They're all just Metal Sonics to me.

>>9900332
Both: Metal Sonic.

>>9900332
>left
Uncle Chuck
>right
Optimus Hedgehog

>>9900452
Silver Sonic, formerly Chuck

>>9900332
Megatron and Soundwave

>>9900332
Metal sonic and mecha sonic

>>9900560

>Metal Sonic

Who is this guy then?

>>9900776
Needlenose the sharkmouse

>>9900332
>>9900378

His name was always Silver Sonic. It was only after Sonic 2006 came out and that faggot Silver The Hedgehog character was introduced that people tried to retcon the Sonic 2 robot's name.

>>9900332
Metal Cooler and Cooler

>>9900776
Another metal sonic

>>9900332
Uncle Chuck and Metallix

>>9900332
I'll do you better
What's his name?

>>9900802
Lol

>>9900560
Sega officially designated both robots as Mecha Sonic in the west. Silver/Mecha MK 1's page even has an entire section about it's name
https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Mecha_Sonic_(Sonic_the_Hedgehog_2)#Naming
TL;DR: The robot was always named "Mecha" in Japan. In the west, the 16-bit version of the robot wasn't named. The 8-Bit version used "Silver Sonic" for its robot (though in Japan, that one was also called Mecha Sonic) and Archie (who infamously had little input or oversight by Sega at the time) used it for the 16-bit version of the robot. So at best, "Silver Sonic" was a localized name and at worst, it was misattributed due to Archie.
It makes sense in that "Silver" and Mecha have similarities (mono eye, meant to closely mimic Sonic's skills) compared to Metal, whose resemblance is more abstract and prioritizes speed.

>>9900332
Mecha Sonic, SMBZ is canon btw

>>9900332
Metal Sonic and Metal Sonic (forma de azul)

>>9900560
>or whatever reason the Sonic Fandom Wiki lists them as Mecha Sonic Mk I and Mk II
Because that's exactly what the boss from 2 is supposed to be: Mecha Sonic, a parody of Mechagodzilla (just like Death Egg = Death Star, Super Sonic = Super Saiyan, etc.), with the 'MS' initials even included on its concept art. The boss from from 3K is a rebuilt version, hence Mk II, just like how Eggman also rebuilt the Death Egg in that game.
>They call the one from Sonic Adventure Mecha Sonic Mk III.
This is something Sega clarified somewhat recently, but who knows if that was always the devs' intention or if it's just another retcon/revision. I always assumed it was a remnant of a scrapped bossfight.

>>9900776
>Who is this guy then?

The superior alt-timeline Metal Sonic from the real Sonic 2.

They're both Mecha Sonic. Right is just an upgraded version of left. This is Metal Sonic.

>>9900332

Robo-Sonic, and Metal Sonic.

>>9900332
Silver Sonic and Mecha Sonic

>>9900332
Silver Sonic and Mecha Sonic
>but Silver the Hed-
useless character who should be excised from the franchise, not worthy of the name
>but the Sonic 2 Master Sys-
Robo Sonic

>>9900332
These robots have like ten names because English sources made up whatever on the spot, the only consistent names are the Silver Sonic for the 8-bit bot and Metal Sonic for the CD bot, and even then, Japan called them all Mecha Sonic except for Metal Sonic (who was almost named Mecha Sonic too according to concept art in Sonic Origins).
>but Silver Sonic is-
No, you were fooled by the power of suggestibility or Archie retardedness, it's the 8-bit bot specifically, end of.

>>9900332
Rip and Grinder.

>>9900991
At least they were respectful enough to print his ridiculously long name on his ridiculously long head.

>>9900704
>>9900704
this

>>9900378
>>9900785

>>9900332
Metal Sonic and Even More Metal Sonic

>>9900332
Left is Metal Sonic, right is Metallix

>>9905032
This yeah, Japanese loved the whole "Mechanical version of original character" approach.
Meca/Meka = Mecha
so Mecha Sonic, Mecha Sonic MkII, Mecha Sonic MarkIII.

Meca Sonic
Meka Dragon
MechaGodzilla
etc etc

Metal Sonic or Silver was always just a fan thing, I've heard him being called Metal Sonic by fans but never Silver Sonic desu. that must be a recent thing.

Would love to see some official Metal Sonic/Silver Sonic mentions, and I dont mean made up Sega America bullshit where they tried to rename him so they could tell people that they too had a hand in making these popular games. cough Streets of Rage 3 cough.

>>9905384
Thanks to Ian Flynn's encyclopedia idiocy, both the Sonic 2 8-bit and 16-bit robots are called Mecha Sonic while the Sonic & Knuckles one gets to be Mecha Sonic Mk. II now, but the Sonic Mania devs also named the 8-bit one Silver Sonic.

Moigle and Hoigle.

>>9901247
>They're both Mecha Sonic. Right is just an upgraded version of left. This is Metal Sonic.

I dunno what the 'current lore' on metal Sonic is. But I do know that metal was suppose to be from the bad-future of Sonic CD. In Sonic Adventure, I think the metal cameo is Eggman trying to reverse engineer Metal. because Metal is from an alt future time line. Sonic CD acts like an alt-timeline to Sonic 1. The devs ignored Sonic 2.

>>9905384
>I dont mean made up Sega America bullshit where they tried to rename him so they could tell people that they too had a hand in making these popular games.
Next we're gonna hear that it isn't Moto Bug, it's Motora. Thought the Badnik side of the late 90's/early 00's SegaSonic movement died out a long time ago. Oh wait, sorry, not supposed to say "Badniks", am I? Here's something that'll blow your mind: many of the English names like Nack came first.
>cough Streets of Rage 3 cough.
That's a very extreme example. Sonic manual storylines were mostly simplified and weren't -that- far gone, save for Knuckles' Chaotix and Tails Adventures.
>>9905572
Honestly I'd much rather he fully committed to "all the non-Metal Sonic robots are Mecha Sonic" instead of doing this weird thing where he traded a long-standing unique name for a completely made up one. Sega almost finally settled on calling the Sonic 2 16-bit one Robo Sonic and the 3 & Knuckles one Mecha Sonic, but then fans obsessed over the insignia >>9901063 on this unseen concept art that was never officially released and now the fantards in power say he's Mecha Sonic, wonder why they didn't do the same thing to Metal Sonic with that logic.
You know how the Sonix the Fighters one is called both "Mecha Sonic Model No.29" and "Rocket Metal [Sonic]"? They really just should've said they were all Mecha Sonic models but given them special codenames so you can differentiate them.
>>9905691
>But I do know that metal was suppose to be from the bad-future of Sonic CD.
That's too clever for Sega.

>>9905691
Outside of his sleek design, I don't think there's much to indicate that Metal came from the bad future specifically. Then again, I suppose the answer there is "lol time travel".
If you count Chaotix, then Eggman was able to build a brand new body for him (albeit, with the help of Dark Rings).

>>9905792
>wonder why they didn't do the same thing to Metal Sonic with that logic.
The logic seems to be that the two Mecha Sonics are similar enough in function and general M.O. that the S3&K model could be considered an advanced version of the Sonic 2 model (but with the Mecha Godzilla references taken out).
By contrast, Metal always differed because he had emphasis on speed rather than on matching Sonic's abilities. He has a sleek and abstract design compared to the Mechas who are bulky and more closely resemble Sonic and doesn't have the monoeye that they have. That + his different role compared to them means that he needs a more distinct name.

>>9905795
>Outside of his sleek design, I don't think there's much to indicate that Metal came from the bad future specifically. Then again, I suppose the answer there is "lol time travel".

In later games Sonic team tried to retcon Metal into their 'Sonic canon' (whatever that means?). But Sonic CD was made by members of the original Sonic 1 team, the devs treated it like their own sequel to Sonic 1. Sonic was inspired by movies like Back to the Future and Terminator 2 (which was a 1991 movie that was big during Sonic CD's development). I think Metal was suppose to be created in the bad future and sent to the past terminator style to fit in with the time travel storyline. The character did intentionally look more advanced than most of Robotnik's other robots. In each 'present' stage in Sonic CD there are these holographic projectors featuring Metal that are showing him punish various animals. It was some sort of representation of propaganda for a bad timeline future.

Metalla and Metalia

>>9905795
Well, Metal is supposed to be way more advanced than the Mechas. The way I see it, Metal succeeds at being a Sonic replica and can match his speed, whereas the Mechas might resemble Sonic but have more twists and quirks on their design. The Sonic 2 16-bit one might even be remote-controlled given how clunky it is and Eggman watching it in the background.
Sonic 4 (if you count it) posits that Metal Sonic remained on Little Planet for a while after his first defeat, but honestly it's best not to think about it and say 'time travel did it' whenever there's a Metal appearance set between CD and 4. That said, even though Metal chronologically appears before Mecha, I still like to think the Sonic 2 Mechas were made first as prototypes.
>>9905823
>That + his different role compared to them means that he needs a more distinct name.
That's why the 8-bit Mecha should still be unique though - it's part of the game's Master Robot / Mecha X production line, and unlike the others, it has the honor of being the normal final boss.

Kennan & Kel

>>9900332
I never played CD so I always thought they were Metal Sonic 1.0 and Metal Sonic 2.0, and that the 'real' Metal Sonic was 3.0, an upgrade on both

>>9905901
I could definitely see the Sonic 2&3 bots being protos, where Eggman prioritized mimicking Sonic's abilities before matching his speed with Metal.
>That's why the 8-bit Mecha should still be unique though - it's part of the game's Master Robot / Mecha X production line, and unlike the others, it has the honor of being the normal final boss.
Fair enough.

>>9905572
I honestly think Ian made a mistake given how typo-ridden the whole Encyclo-speed-ia is. Doesn't he still refer to that one as Silver Sonic in BumbleKast?

i was always metal silver mecha until my foundation crumbled a year ago upon learning there is no reference to silver sonic at all in the 2 manual. i dont understand how the name silver sonic even got known in my area as i dont think the comics were popular and nobody ever got past this boss. s2 guy should be silver sonic because it rolls off the tongue so well to be relegated to a forgotten handheld game. if you want to get freaky s3 would have been a good candidate for the name seeing as in knuckles game he would turn into super silver sonic or.. S3.

>>9906307
What're you on about? Silver Sonic comes from the Master System and Western Game Gear manuals >>9902810 - it's the Japanese Game Gear manual that calls him Mecha Sonic instead, possibly to better tie in to the Mega Drive version (which is the one the manual doesn't name).

>>9906013
>Unlike Metal Sonic,
What, we're gonna pretend there was never confusion between Mecha and Metal now?

What are you talking about? That's just sonic, and sonic!

>>9906369

>>9906362
Anon's probably thinking of the Genesis Sonic 2, which doesn't name the robot (or even mention him for that matter).

>>9900332
weird, everyone called left silver sonic and right mecha sonic 20 years ago

>>9906893
yeah but, that would be 2003. so those are the kids who grew up on Dreamcast Sonic.
I grew up on classic Sonic and I've never seen him called Silver sonic.

>>9906369
>What, we're gonna pretend there was never confusion between Mecha and Metal now?

Sega of America seemed to think that Mecha Sonic and metal Sonic were the same character. They also tries to insert the Sonic SATAM cannon into Sonic CD as well, by calling Amy princess Sally.

Metal came out of Sonic CD, and seemed to be like he was there to keep the bad future unchanged.

>>9906974
The people who were in charge of Sega of America back then need to be found and brought to justice for their crimes against humanity.

>>9907014
>The people who were in charge of Sega of America back then need to be found and brought to justice for their crimes against humanity.

I think Sega of America were trying to connect everything to the Sonic the Hedgehog ABC series and perhaps the Archie comics to a lesser extent? They really wanted the 'Mobius' and Freedom Fighters story lines. I have never read the mangas from Japan, but the Sonic mangas really were different, and features a lot of time travel elements. Which is I guess where Sonic Cd picked up the time travel stuff from. But even Sonic 2 was suppose to have some time travel elements.

>>9906821
Unlike Knuckles, I don't Kuckle.

>>9906957
this was back on gamefaqs during n64 era
at that time online that sonic 2 mecha sonic was silver sonic in the sonic community

this was a period before anything japanese was accessible

>>9907537
>gamefaqs
aah that explains the faggotry, gamefaqs always attracted the 12 year old Sonic fanbase.

>>9906446

>>9906821
Why did America have to rename everybody to such retarded names?

>>9906821
Knuckles was originally called Rastafari

>>9907813
>Dr. Robotnik
Makes for a somewhat menacing name (they really played up Robotnik's evil in how they portrayed him) plus technically a pun.
Or maybe it was an eleventh hour thing and they were really big fans of Kraftwerk.
>Mecha/Metal
"Eh, it's a robot Sonic, close enough" - Sega, probably

>>9900332

bicka Sonic and biCKA Sonic.

>>9907063
speaking of sonic 2 beta we are CURRENTLY getting a ton of information about that completely blank genocide city zone in earlier protos of 2 straight from the original creator that is trying to be assembled by fans. or was there already a topic i missed? its crazy that all this new information is still coming to us

>>9907813
Miles Prower and Eggman are worse names
>B-BUT
Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>9900332
Sonichu

>>9908697
>Shut the fuck up faggot.

>>9900582
not canon

I always thought Robotnig just upgraded the same robot over time, so to me it's just the same Metal Sonic.
Even the Sonic Heroes one is the same to me as these.

>>9905901
I maintain that CD came after S3&K regardless.

>>9909184
Eh, they're too different in design. so even if he went back to pick up the destroyed robot it would still be: A) fried to hell internally, B) completely different outer body.
so he couldn't use the internals, which needed major improvements anyway, and he was gonna ditch the body.

they're different robots, after Robotnik got back to the death egg he probably had his badniks scrap Mecha Sonic 1.

>>9907491

>>9906821
Robotnik has universally been Eggman's real name since the mid-90's.
>Sonic 2 MD: Metal Sonic
Source?

>>9906821
>Japan: Mecha Sonic Mk. II
Japan just called it Mecha Sonic; "Mk. II" is something Ian Flynn made up out of thin air now that he's gone mad with power and found his niche with Sonic lorefags sucking his dick.

>>9907827
>Or maybe it was an eleventh hour thing
Honestly I think it was because everything about the canon of the time (including the numerous story bible rewrites) emphasized the villain is obsessed with, related to, and evil because of eggs, and then his name is Eggm--- DR ROBOTNIK

i always liked the idea that he referred to himself as robotnik and the cast call him eggman as an insult. both sides win as we are obviously going to hear eggman a lot more but any details in his machinery or from fellow human and henchmen will always refer to him as ivo robotnik. maybe some characters like tails would still call him by his real name out of misguided respect-for-elders reasons. to further flesh out the cast. maybe eggman calls tails "miles" in return.

>>9909724
"Ivo" backwards is "ovi" which is "eggs" in Latin languages.

>>9905795
>Outside of his sleek design, I don't think there's much to indicate that Metal came from the bad future specifically. Then again, I suppose the answer there is "lol time travel".

The bad future timeline in Sonic CD is suppose to be a technocracy of sorts dictated by Robotnik. So the idea is that its' a timeline where Robotnik's technology has hit an apex and metal is one of the byproducts. I think metal's inclusion in Sonic Adventure for the DC shows that 'current timeline' Eggman has a non functional Metal from an alt timeline and is trying to reverse engineer it, like Miles Dyson would have in Terminator 2. Sonic CD being released in 1993, T2 was 1991. I have no idea what the current convoluted story on metal is. But going just by Sonic CD, I think this was the intention.

>>9902810
>end of
End of what?

>>9909782
>i always liked the idea that he referred to himself as robotnik and the cast call him eggman as an insult
I'm pretty sure Sonic Adventure all but confirms this in your first boss battle with him.

Sonic: "Look! It's a giant talking egg!"
Dr. Robotnik: "Silence! I am Dr. Robotnik, the greatest scientific genius in the world!"
Sonic: "Whatever you say, Eggman!"

Then in Sonic Adventure 2, when he has a theme song titled, "I am The Eggman", I always felt like as though that was Robotnik taking Sonic's little insult and owning it. Takes away the power it has when he's using it on himself.

>maybe eggman calls tails "miles" in return.
He absolutely does, I just can't remember where exactly. I could have sworn it was in Sonic Adventure 2 as one of his death lines when you fight him as Tails, but I can't find anything. He always calls him Tails except in one instance when he actually calls him Miles.

>>9911326
>I have no idea what the current convoluted story on metal is.
These days, Metal is just one of Eggman's robots, if usually suggested to be one of his finer ones. If anything, Metal grew more advanced over time, getting the ability to mimic other character's abilities. Sonic Heroes took it to the most extreme by letting him mimic Chaos' water abilities, letting turn into liquid metal and turn into a perfect replica of Eggman. That said, later games scaled him back to straightforward copying.

>>9911501
The SA1 dub has been retconned so that he always liked Sonic's nickname for him and adopted it from the start (that, or he was just going through a weird phase in that game); he never found it insulting.

>>9911578
Sounds more like Ian trying to fix the debate after a good decade of Iizuka stubbornly insisting that Robotnik was never his canon name in any way (while ignoring games like SA2 that only prove it).

>>9900582
To be fair, they're "essentially" the same character as far as "there's a robot duplicate that Sonic must fight before getting to the final Robotnik fight" goes for both Sonic 2s.

>>9900991
>>9900332
>>9900582
>>9905032
>>9905691
>hates Sonic with a passion
>keeps making robot duplicates of his as his most powerful robot servant

Just kiss him already, Eggman.

>>9911587
I think the Japanese had a problem with "Ivo" rather than "Robotnik". I could swear they wanted his real name to be Gerald Robotnik III.

>>9911587
SA1 was the first time he gets called "Eggman" in the states and the English script definitely makes it sound like one of Sonic's mocking nicknames for him the first time he says it.

https://youtu.be/osCXXwtxzsw?t=275

The only REAL time they ever edited in something about the Eggman/Robotnik thing was in Generations. In the Japanese script, Tails is shocked that there are two Drs. Eggman, to which Classic Eggman quips that that means they're twice as likely to win.

https://youtu.be/cgoE8TjqmsU

>>9911684
Iizuka doesn't give a shit about the English scripts. To him, it was always Eggman and anything that said otherwise was outright wrong. I think there was even a point where he was insisting that Gerald and Maria were never related to Eggman.

>>9900332
Mecha Sonic
Comic and shonen weirdos like to call them Silver Sonic and Metallix for some reason.

>>9908684
Wait, we're getting new info on Genocide City?

>concept art posted
>nobody posted Super Mecha Sonic

>>9908697
>Tails
Only kemoshota weirdos like you say it

>>9911765
That never happened, but what did happen was that they suddenly dropped "Robotnik" from those characters' names for the most part post-SA2.

I've been out of the loop on this for a while, did they ever do anything with the TT Sonic R mech characters in recent games? These characters had the most soul of all the mechs

>>9912006
I gotta hand it to the Brits, they really knocked it out of the park with Sonic R, doing what SoA and SoJ couldn't, in terms of Saturn programming.

>>9911684
>SA1 was the first time he gets called "Eggman" in the states
It wasn't tho.

I just mixed the main boss theme in S&K with King Crimson's 21st century schizoid man and it works rather well. You think this song inspired it?

Also PINGUS.

>>9911910
>>9911938
The fact that the concept design is clearly Sonic 2 Mecha confirms to me that the 16-bit Mechas (and Sonic Adventure by extension) are supposed to be the same robot, just rebuilt. This response in the latest IDW comic implies that there aren't other Mecha (Sonic)s too. Which is odd because the Sonic DLC for LEGO Dimensions instead suggested that the 16-bit robots were separate, but it seems the people in charge of this stuff now really do find out about these old concepts at around the same time as the fans do (see: Nack the Jerboa).

>>9911908
we are getting more development info for the level than only other cut zone in any sonic game. genocide was made by the american side of the team which he never threw away any of the documents. turns out that was supposed to be the 3 acter while the 3rd act of metropolis was the condensed version of it. also water.

>>9910118
figured it was just a play on evil. look a the layers sega america has

>>9911684
>>9911587
There was an interview with Naka in the early 2000 where he also stated that the given story was that Robotnik was the villain's true name and "Eggman" was Sonic's nickname that he took for his own, though Naka also stated Sonic used in an endearing way rather than an insult.
http://web.archive.org/web/20040124111152/http://www.sega.com/sonic/globalsonic/post_sonicteam.php?article=nakainterview
>To tell the truth, his name has not changed. Robotnik is his real name and Eggman is a common name taken after his shape. Possibly, it may have been Sonic, who uttered this alias for the first time! I feel, though, Sonic uses this name affectionately, rather than trying to make fun of him.
>>9912006
In the actual games, no.
One of the IDW comics did feature Mecha Knuckles and the Tails Doll though (Seasons of Chaos).

>>9912532
>turns out that was supposed to be the 3 acter while the 3rd act of metropolis was the condensed version of it.

iirc that was known a long time ago, it was supposed to be the 3rd act of Metropolis or something like that.
also those graphics got re-used in sonic spinballs machine stage (which also reused some of hidden palace on toxic caves).

>>9913518
It's map got repurposed for Metropolis, yes.
But prior to now we didn't know that Cyber/Genocide was intended to be more than one act or that said map still underwent changes.

>>9913549
>or that said map still underwent changes.
that's pretty much assumed for every level until the game ships. Except for Hidden Palace, which was left unfinished and never touched up on ever since the beta (or even the nick arcade version, I don't even remember).

>>9909221
It was always a 1&2 interquel though, not sure why it was such a touchy subject for the longest time. Designer Yamaguchi confirmed it way back in '93, but the translator of the interview was harrassed by lorefags so it was edited.
https://shmuplations.com/soniccd/
Some early media like the (admittedly sketchy) guide books also stated it.
https://sega-memories blogspot.com/2011/12/sonic-cds-secret-strategy-guide.html
At around Sonic CD's 2011 re-release, Sega took an "it happened at some point before Sonic 4 but we don't know when" stance, only to walk back and reconfirm that it was the 1&2 interquel come Origins last year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrLU-ae6-0I&t=72s
So that's that. Personally, you probably could've kept it in release order since you can explain Tails' absence as him watching over the Chaos Emeralds, but this seems pretty final. Ironically, according to a BumbleKast, Ian Flynn was the one who wanted CD to take place after 3&K since it made more sense to him that Eggman would resort to time travel after a longer series of setbacks, but he got "vetoed."

>>9914153
Still don't care. Metal being the final finished robot Sonic after the Mechas makes the most sense to me.

>>9913518
we knew the metro act 3 but we didnt know geno was 3 acts but the problem here as that we dont know the timeframe these documents were made. its possible its from a really early state where all the zones still had 3 acts from the first game. that gif is attempting to combine the layout, palette and assets from the document with the spinball knowledge to make the closest thing to official genocide city. keep in mind we dont actually have the documents yet.

>>9912069
Interesting. I always saw 3K Mecha Sonic as a retconned amalgamation of the 2 and CD robots, at the time. So >>9906369 is sorta true, from a certain point of view.
>>9914393
Maybe for the Sonic 2 versions, sure, but 3K Mecha to me definitely feels more like what Metal should've been. This Mecha is still to date the only Sonicbot to ever pilot the Eggmobile, the only metal character to get a super form (out of the Master Emerald no less)*, and, according to the IDW comics, speaks more than Metal does and actually has complex-for-robot emotions (AND he gets a very good sendoff to boot). Metal Sonic is known for his speed and thus can match Sonic in a race, but outside of having more appearances, I don't see him as being particularly more advanced than 3K Mecha.
*Neo Metal Sonic gets a super form in the IDW comics, but basic base Metal Sonic still has yet to get one.

>>9914598
NTA, but:
>This Mecha is still to date the only Sonicbot to ever pilot the Eggmobile
Technically speaking, Metal himself did while impersonating Eggman in Heroes
>the only metal character to get a super form
I'd chalk that up partially due to circumstance: Mecha stole the Master Emerald under Knuckles' nose and thus had access to it. It's rare for Metal to be in a position to use the Master Emeralds/Chaos Emeralds due to the nature of his appearances, either being prominent in games where the emeralds aren't that involved and out of his reach or just a one-off boss fight. Even then, while Metal hasn't gone super in his base form, his ability to use the Phantom Ruby and the Super Dark Ring imply that he theoretically could.

>>9900332
Mecha Sonic and Metal Sonic.

>>9900332
When I was younger, I thought Robot Sonic on the left was rebuilt into Robot Sonic on the right, which is why he was far more aggressive compared to before. He's out for blood.

>>9914695
>Technically speaking, Metal himself did while impersonating Eggman in Heroes
That's Neo Metal, which is definitely some sort of power-up to normal Metal.
I'd say their AI is on par with each other at least, but Metal is more of a Sonic copy while Mecha was experimental.

>>9900332
Iron Man and Mega Man

>>9900332
>not Senic and Sanic

the problem here is simple. theres a tear because the japanese names work better individually but the usa names work better as a whole. 2 and cd get a buy cause 2 different teams but they shouldnt have pulled the robot clone card again IMMEDATELY for the next game and if they did they should have made it look like a stitched together and or enhanced silver sonic to make it earn the name mk 2 not a whole new style/color/shape.
if i say silver sonic we all know which im talking about cause like 90% of the time we are talking about the 16 bit game. if i say mecha sonic we know who im referring to without definition. if i say metal sonic we know which i mean

>>9918245
>made it look like a stitched together
That's what they wanted, but they changed the design, probably to suit the game's different art direction better. See >>9911910

>>9918309
what a mistake. i would have lost my shit as a child seeing a jacked up or unstable/unhinged version of the 2 boss as compared to that final design. because goofy proportions and the face is mostly hiding it just comes off as a large badnik. even less important looking then the eggrobos. i remember really liking the final form of the doomsday boss because thats exactly what i thought it was. a mk2 death egg robot. as time passes more and more i think sonic 3 was visually the worst and least inspired. 2nd to chaotix

>>9900332
Mario and Luigi

>>9900332
This was always the coolest design, I wish they used him in more stuff.

>>9900991
Snibeti Snab :D

>>9905691
Left is the coolest robo design in the franchise and nobody can convince me otherwise

>>9917397
I swear IDW gave modern Mecha Sonic the (admirtedlt cool) poncho/cloak just so they didn't have to address this design choice.
>>9919157
Mecha Knuckles is the Sonic Advance robot, I don't know why they didn't just reuse Metal Knuckles from Sonic R though.
>>9919161
Mecha Tails also exists, it's the "Remote Robot" from Tails Adventures.

>>9911964
Doesn't that... completely undermine Eggman's whole motivation in SA2?

>everyone forgetting the oldest robot Sonic

>>9919636
That's because it's Mighty's robot.

I am now posting my Mecha Sonic art I made a while ago.

>>9900378
I always thought this was their names

>>9900991
It's just another form of Mecha Sonic, but in an experimental "Rocket Metal" configuration.
Mecha Sonic is better than Metal Sonic because you never know what you're gonna get, the death of Mecha in favor of Metal coincided with the death or creativity and passion.

>>9900776
Mecha sonic and Metal sonic are two totally different robots

>>9919917
Very cool!

>>9919917
Don't ever speak to me or my son again

>>9900332
silver sonic and metallix

>sms sonic 2
robo sonic
>sonic 2
silver sonic
>s&k
mecha sonic

>>9919331
>Mecha Tails also exists, it's the "Remote Robot" from Tails Adventures.

>>9922982
That's related to the Metal line if anything, considering Sonic and Knuckles' counterparts.

>>9900332
Silver Sonic seemed like it was modeled after Archie Sonic

>>9900332
I called them Mecha Sonic and I didn't know the other one existed because I never played Sonic 3 far enough to even see it.

>>9900332
Irate Gamer and The Spoony Experiment.

>>9923101
>Don't... tell me how to use the emerald.

>>9907727
unlike Sonc he don't chucle

>>9900776
Hyper Metal Sonic

>>9921973
Mecha was a victim of "brand identity," aka the same thing that killed Mario's creativity.

>>9921973
>Spoiler
How so?
If you're speaking strictly from a design standpoint, then fair enough. From a gameplay standpoint though, Mecha's fights primarily revolved around aping Sonic's skills (aside from recycling some of Eggman's old boss machines) which culminated in him mimicking Sonic's ability to go Super. Metal's fights tend to vary depending on the game, though that also means the quality of them tends to vary (CD = race, Chaotix = roulette death trap, Triple Trouble = just kinda there as a standard battle, Heroes = Metal Madness/Overlord).

>>9900443
I still chuckle like a fucking idiot whenever i see or think of this

>no one referred to the Sonic 2 Mega Drive one as that "evil looking Sonic made of stone."