/vr/ - Retro Games

>>9897719
Deling City

The one in Shadows of the Empire is peak sewer. What an imposing atmosphere for a sewer level.

>>9897719
you never played a TMNT game?

I think Thief games has some ok sewers

>>9897729
No TMNT is tacky and for dorks.

>>9897719
It has all the common sewer level tropes and can be annoying to play, but I won't say it wasn't memorable given its creepy imagery and blood on the wall, and the boss fight.

Poo Mountain from Conker is fun though it's only a "sewer level" in the loosest context.

Chrono Trigger has a short sewer level in the future that's pretty fun

>>9897719
Varrock Sewers

>>9897719
Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros, Super Mario Bros 3. I guess you could argue they’re cave levels in SMB1 but whats a sewer really but a cave with pipes in it. The ones in SMB3 have so many pipes it has to be a sewer

Sewer levels are da best

>>9897719
There's a Skyrim mod that adds huge sewer dungeons under the cities that are pretty good crawls.

>>9897807
Enderal has good sewers

Never played the game but I love how it looks.

>>9897719
Do Mario games count or are we talking about sewer levels in feeling and not theme?

>>9897891
wat

>>9897730
>ps2 port of Blood Money
>emulated
>on an Android phone

>>9897901
nta but Mario goes down a pipe in some levels, so I guess it could be a sewer

>>9897908
i know, his post is just weird

>>9897762
What do you like about them anon? Ive always thought sewer levels were a cheap copout to firstly pad the game length with some brick textured hallways and some water. Or they were used as an easy way to explain how a character got from point A to point B. Always just considered them lazy.

Sewer levels are for level designers an easy way to go wild with the layouts, which is why they can de fun

>>9897918
>sewer levels were a cheap copout to firstly pad the game length with some brick textured hallways and some water
Sounds about right

>>9897997
Cant you theoretically go wild with any layout though? Maybe sewers can be creepier/more atmospheric, but I dont buy the "crazy layout" argument. In fact, I've never enjoyed a complex sewer level because everything looks ugly and samey. Perfect example is Thief Gold's Thieves Guild mission.

>>9897730
What an excellent screencap for many reasons

>>9897719
I don't get my opinions from ecelebs, so I've never understood the problem with sewer levels in general.

You don't like the setting, okay, what's that got to do with the gameplay?

How about Jet Set Radio Future, that's got a good sewer level.

>>9898097
>I've never understood the problem with sewer levels in general.
In general they're ugly and samey looking. Tight corridors, low light, mostly drab concrete, just a pain to navigate.
>you dont like the setting, okay, whats that got to do with gameplay
Gameplay doest exist in a vacuum. You need nice looking, well-designed levels to play the game in, or else the gameplay will suffer.

>>9897719
I remember one sewer level in blood that can be completed in a minute with jumping boots. It was good sewer level

>>9898491
I remember being thoroughly unimpressed with Blood.

SiN's is okay by virtue of it being linear.

>>9898476
A level being "tough to navigate" is a sign that a person is thoroughly an evolutionary and genetically weak, since by definition, the ability to navigate spaces is a advantageous trait.

mgs3 though more of a sewer segment than a level. not enough games really capture the theatricality of big cavernous concrete tunnels building to a waterfall.

>>9898623
>I am very intelligent

>>9898004
>Cant you theoretically go wild with any layout though?
to the average player a sewer is just an indistinguishable maze of concrete and industrial decoration, they can essentially do anything with the layouts short of water floating upwards. A game that takes place in say a suburban house for example will be far more constrained by real world logic.

>>9898642
It depends on how the individual sewer level is done though.

>>9897719
Indian gamers can never find them

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>>9897719
I liked one in Spider-Man 2000 game where you can punch Lizard clones or whatever reptiloids they are.

Sonic Adventure has a very short section where you go down in the sewer to get shoes upgrade. It actually spooked me a little when I was a kid, but I secretly wished for it being longer and actually have branching paths.

>>9897802
Seeing those fucks for the first time is a moment which is only topped by entering that one room with giant moth. I remember my friend playing the game and the second we saw it, he INSTANTLY fired from bazooka at it, just fucking obliterated it without letting the enemy even move.

I can't imagine what this game is like when played by someone with arachno/insectophobia.

>>9897719
That one sewer level from Comix Zone

>>9897719
The Nameless Mod for Deus Ex has a pretty insane sewer level that doubles as a hub/gateway

>>9899335
oh yeah the YEEEEYYYY lizards

>>9897719

Sewer levels themselves shouldn't exist. At best they should be short transitory points between parts of a level, or small secret areas. The people who invented and forced other people to develop sewer levels were probably closet shit fetishists.

>>9898630
This is a great little sewer segment straight from the fugitive, love it. I also think the sewer section and especially the underwater sections in ff7 are really cool and well done. Ohh and the mako reactors which are very sewer steampunk dungeons are fucking beautiful. You get the music and the vivid prerendered animated backgrounds and ff7 takes the cake for me

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>>9897719
clanker's cavern and to a much lesser extent grunty industries are good "sewer-type" levels

>>9899879
That's like saying haunted house levels shouldn't exist because normal people doesn't like ghosts.

Didn't Ratchet and Clank 3 have a good one?

SEWER SURFIN!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcEfEVyYS38

>>9899927
Aquatos Sewers was okay, suffered from only having like one enemy type in the entire thing but it was a great place to use the quack-o-ray since it killed amoeboids instantly and had infinite ammo. Although the game can freeze if there's too many ducks in the level at once (which is really easy to do in there)

It did have that really cool moment of when you go back there with the Magnet Boots, realize you can walk on all the pipe walls, and the sewers are literally twice as big as they were when you were stuck on the ground level. Music is kind of neat too, it's weirdly atmospheric https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7l_gUzXhyI

>>9897742
kys
you will never experience real multiplayer

>>9899297
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAKlULlm0LI

Hidrocity Zone

>>9897918
>anon posts HL2, a game with several sewer sections that are very good
>the point
>your head

>>9897872
>Not a single rat or slime
Yeah, I'm thinking kino. Also, play the damn game Anon.

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>>9897908
it's kind of fucked up when you remember the blocks are all people from the Mushroom Kingdom so it'd be a sewer made out of bodies.

>>9897872
Played it recently. It's good. Would recommend. EotB 2 is also good and you can transfer your characters over from 1 to 2. Eye of the Beholder 3 sucks, skip it and play Lands of Lore 1 instead And all these games are basically Dungeon Master clones. Dungeon Master/Chaos Strikes Back still the best of the lot

>>9897918
sewer levels exist as a modern analogue to caves. in theory sewer levels should be great because the concept is vague and interesting enough to allow for all sorts of exploration and visual designs.

>>9897719
Not VR but I've always loved the Dalaran sewers in wow

>>9900575
Sewers in theory are ugly and boring

>>9900597
Qeynos Aqueducts is a way better sewer in mmos

Hell yeah.

>>9899891
heh, cute dolphin

>>9900615
map

>>9900059
Aquatos Sewers for me sucked. Too huge and samey and way too many of the same enemy type like you described. A better sewer level for me is the Sewer in Blackwater City from the first game.

>>9900546
So they're catacombs then, another level trope that people online have collectively decided they don't like for no good reasons.

>>9900459
>a game with several sewer sections that are very good
That simply isnt true.

>>9897908
If theres no water then its not a sewer level.

>>9900858
See
>>9898476

>>9897719
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37jf1O3viFI
Yes.

>>9899909
dumbest retard ever faggoted into existence

>>9902113
Im looking for good sewer levels, not something id find in an actual sewer like that piece of shit.

The sewer levels in Splatterhouse 1 are pretty straight forward for the most part.

>>9897719
Yes.

Silent Hill
VtMB for filtering casuals
Not a "level" but sewers are bretty cool in Baldur's Gate 1/2
There are some sewer-like levels in Doom II that are OK
>>9900537
And this

> be me
> Youpooper told me sewer and water levels suck
> This is my opinion now as i have none myself

>>9897872
play sega cd version. based soundtrack by Streets of Rage composer, cinematics, terrible voice acting, and maps

Guerilla War sewer level was good

>>9902190
Came to post this.
Best track in the game.

>>9898097
I've never noticed them being especially worse than other levels either, but if I had to guess why people dislike them it's probably some combination of sewers just being nasty and not in a cool way like some evil fortress, along with sewer levels being more likely to have low visibility, confusing and samey-looking corridors, and swimming sections.

>>9902326
Imagine being so contrarian that you think sewer levels are good just because the mainstream opinion also happens to be agreed upon by a youtuber. This isn't some brand new phenomenon, retard.

In-fact, for like a decade before Civvie (who I assume you are referencing, since his one joke is le sewer count) the fat faggot even made a Redneck Rampage video where he talked about the sewer level, I was completely convinced from my own damn gruelling experience playing that game that it has what I consider to be the worst sewer level of all time. But seeing him talk about it in a youtube video didn't suddenly make me want to pretend it's good to get epic gamer cred on /vr/.

>>9902326
>be me
>only ever heard of sewer levels sucking from a single youtuber.
>assume that opinion is proprietary to that specific youtuber
>assume everyone else has my incredibly narrow frame of reference
You're an insufferable faggot

>>9897918
I like bricks and water

>>9902326
Water levels are always some of the best levels (and best music) in a game. Literally no one has ever complained about water levels. However, sewer levels are the water level's retarded cousin.

>>9897719
Why do the maps in T1 suck so bad? They look scribbled by children.

>>9902723
water levels in platforming tend to be seen as boring because they downplay gravity, jumping is interesting, moving in water is less dynamic.

>>9902720
>>only ever heard of sewer levels sucking from a single youtuber.
It's bad enough you're a zoomer but ignorant on top of it.

>>9899340
I had to stop playing RE1 Remake when I got to the giant spiders because I had bad arachnophobia. Took me ages to progress and finally beat the game. Whole game freaked me out way too much.

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>>9897719
tes4 has a well implemented sewer system

>>9899340
>>9902904
It's a video game. I'm afraid of zombies in real life but it's not going to paralyze me to see one in a video game.

>>9897726
This. Nightmare-inducing too. That fucking boss.
Best viewed with a real N64 on a CRT for maximum scares.

>>9903117
>I'm afraid of zombies in real life

Doom 2 Underhalls is a good sewer level

>>9902774
garret can't draw

>>9897719
Let's see
>Deus Ex
Hit or miss depending on what you consider a sewer. The catacombs sucked.
>Thief: Gold
Sucked
>Blade Runner
Sucked
>Banjo-Kazooie
I remember not liking it, but some people might disagree
>Condemned: Criminal Origins
Decent, but not the best area in the game
>Half-Life 2
Decent, but only memorable because of HAAAAAAACKS!
>Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
The unholy grail of sewers

>>9897719
I don't know whether Toad Man's stage is a storm drain or a sewer

>>9897719
Duke 3D?

Parasite Eve, possibly because the sewer part consist of basically 5 rooms or so. Also kino electric croc boss.

>>9897760
>Mario Bros
This game legit takes place entirely in the sewers.

>>9902241
the sewers in Silent Hill are annoying. the frogs suck ass, and the segment lasts too long.

>>9898623
Your comment is a sign that you are underage

>>9903705
This one, if it counts.

>>9904801
I don't think it lasts very long, but that's just like, my opinion, man. I think it's cool because they pull some neat ambushes on the player, and the idea of taking away the crutch of the radio was very clever. It's also sort of a chase segment, which is distinct from the usual gameplay.

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>>9904801
Played through this thrice last week. I kinda dislike the sewers too, but they really go by quickly. Really just a set of a few longish corridors in 3 maps that you can blow through in like a couple minutes

>>9902854
I believe that anon was assuming the role of the insufferable zoomers and making fun of them.

>>9900537
>bark bark

>>9907459
Thanks for confirming. I guess they could be an issue if you miss the map(s) and have a really bad sense of direction? I've seen friends play games where they walk into a room, open a chest, turn around, and have no idea which direction dpwm the hallway they came from 10 seconds earlier.
>thrice
Completionist, aiming for 10 stars? Was it your first time?

>>9902723
You are a fat retard. Water levels are even more despised than Sewer levels, since at least in Sewer levels you aren't always FORCED to jump into water. Water levels however always have shitty swimming mechanics, always have shitty air mechanics, always have shitty monster gimmicks, and always have an annoying fucking fog filter that smears the screen.

>>9902786
>moving in water is less dynamic

You're even more stupid than the above poster. Moving in water being the most dynamic of anything else in the game is the singular reason anyone even tries to add them into games.

>>9908109
Not my fault that you're a sonic furfag. All other water levels are fondly remembered such as Donkey Kong Country, Super Mario World, Mario 64, Megaman X and so on.
Sewer levels on the other hand...